[00:06] <ball> What's a friendly disk partitioning tool for Ubuntu?
[00:06] <ball> (perhaps text-based)
[00:10] <ball> Ah never mind, I think gparted will work.
[00:26] <ball> Oooh, 52.6 MB/S.
[00:48] <m0nkey_> daftykins: wheres the cat? lol
[04:55] <ball> Hello DJones
[05:32] <DJones> morning
[05:47] <ball> brb, switching things...
[06:00] <jlj_> Morning
[06:11] <ball> Mornin' jlj_
[06:13] <jlj_> o/
[06:14] <Myrtti> $timeofday
[06:17] <ball> I'm going to have to sleep shortly.  I've been playing with my new hard disk drive enclosure and now it's 01:17
[06:31] <ball> I can't focus on the screen.  That's probably a bad sign.
[06:33] <MattJ> Me neither, it's 7:30am
[08:15] <bigcalm> o/
[08:16] <Myrtti> a reminder for everyone, cloaks are now self serve at #libera-cloak
[08:16] <Myrtti> (for a bog standard user/accountname one)
[08:18] <bigcalm> Myrtti: I did wonder how one got a cloak. Thanks for the info
[09:34] <laney> Is "vanity reverse DNS" still an IRC culture thing?
[09:35] <laney> I remember when having a funny hostname was something to do
[09:35] <zxm-pi> is fbihoneypot.com still taken? :-P
[09:42] <Myrtti> laney: I have one but only because I dislike the one I'd normally get from my shellprovider
[09:42] <Myrtti> laney: cloaks just make things a bit prettier
[09:42] <Myrtti> oh yes and I've got a cloak hiding my vanity reverse dns one anyway
[09:43] <laney> I was sort of wondering about setting one up and then removing my cloak *swoosh*
[09:43] <laney> but I'm definitely too lazy really :-)
[09:43] <Myrtti> hostname : murjottava.myrtti.fi :-D
[09:57] <bigcalm> I wish I had money back in the 90s' for shell accounts and vanity domains.
[09:57] <bigcalm> My formative days were on IRCnet, which had no services to register nicks or provide cloaks
[09:58] <bigcalm> The wild days
[09:58] <Myrtti> I'm still on ircnet :-D
[09:59] <bigcalm> Is it still without services?
[09:59] <bigcalm> And multiple daily netsplits?
[09:59] <Myrtti> dunno about multiple daily netsplits, but yes without services
[10:08] <bigcalm> I just popped on. None of my old haunts have any users in them
[10:25] <Myrtti> yeah it happens
[10:25] <Myrtti> my knitting channel is being taken over by discord
[10:26] <Myrtti> my geeky girls channel has moved to Telegram
[10:28] <bigcalm> To be fair, I am not the IRC user I once was
[10:28] <bigcalm> It became too much of a distraction from work
[10:28] <bigcalm> But now channels are quiet enough to be less of a distraction :D
[10:47] <laney> Oh yeah, I remember having to run Eggdrop bots to prevent your channel being taken over or you all losing ops
[10:47] <laney> and then you could network those bots together with each other, and chat inside them
[10:49] <bigcalm> That was fun
[10:49] <bigcalm> I wasn't any good with tcl
[10:50] <bigcalm> But I did enough to be able to hook up to perl websites I wrote
[10:50] <daftykins> :)
[10:50] <bigcalm> Created a kind of email system for users on the bot network
[10:50] <bigcalm> I've not touch perl for more than 15 years I'm sure
[10:51] <bigcalm> s/touch/touched
[10:51] <bigcalm> I even ran eggdrop bots from my home dial-up connection that would be dropped every 1 hour
[10:51] <bigcalm> Oh the memories
[10:52] <daftykins> morning gang
[10:52] <bigcalm> o/
[10:52] <laney> and you could do things like
[10:52] <laney> !drink bigcalm 
[10:52] <laney> and you'd get a nicely coloured 7-up
[10:52] <laney> what a time to be alive
[10:52] <laney> hey daftykins 
[10:53] <daftykins> hmm clients that keep asking you for things when they don't reply to things you want, tough one... probably not very professional to refuse them until they address yours huh? :D
[10:56] <bigcalm> I migrated from eggdropbot networks, so single factoid bots.
[10:57] <bigcalm> I remember quizzes being run from eggdropbots. Very versatile platform
[10:58] <bigcalm> The last thing I did with IRC integration was a Twitter/IRC gateway. It would listen to a set of twitter users and send their tweets direct to a channel.
[10:59] <bigcalm> Did that in PHP, because why not? :D
[11:03] <bigcalm> Getting a job in coding kind of stopped any interest in keeping any of the above going
[11:05] <bigcalm> laney: As you have the same name as me, I'm wondering how to deal with people who keep writing it incorrectly? The two main problems I face are 1. Ian, and 2. Lane (capital i looks like a lowercase L in some fonts)
[11:06] <daftykins> penguin42: good afty \o
[11:06] <penguin42> hey there
[11:08] <Myrtti> I'm so torn about the weather. It's nice that it's cooler, but we were just geting our bits and bobs in order to go to the allotment and actually do something worthwhile there
[11:09] <daftykins> bigcalm: wow so people will address you as "lan" from time to time?
[11:09] <laney> bigcalm: I do get Lain Lane actually, seems to be most often people from East Asia that write like that - probably a font thing, agreed
[11:10] <bigcalm> daftykins: I've yet to see anybody conflate the two
[11:10] <laney> plenty of people are confused about how you pronounce it too
[11:10] <bigcalm> Oh yes :D
[11:10] <laney> no good stragies though, just facepalming
[11:10] <bigcalm> Hehe
[11:11] <bigcalm> I try to be polite to clients in emails
[11:11] <laney> and thinking that I probably get their name the wrong way round when trying to get it right and that must be annoying too
[11:11] <laney> (for the Chinese folks)
[11:11] <penguin42> bigcalm: My boss has a neighbouring 'il' in his surname, confused the heck out of me until I looked closely
[11:11] <bigcalm> My boss (Darren) once told me to get over it. So I said "Ok, Darran". He shrugged
[11:11] <laney> heh
[11:12] <laney> I wonder if the "Iains of the world unite" Facebook group still exists
[11:12] <bigcalm> Monospace programming fonts for the win!
[11:12] <bigcalm> Oh, that's delightful
[11:13] <laney> seems not, sadly
[11:24] <penguin42> at least we know what your favourite monitor brand is
[11:25] <bigcalm> ...
[11:26]  * bigcalm prepares to groan
[11:27] <bigcalm> Not sure I have a fave. All 3 on my desk are by different manufacturers
[11:27] <penguin42> bigcalm: I assumed iiyama
[11:28] <bigcalm> Amazingly, one of the 3 is by them
[11:28] <bigcalm> But what's your reasoning?
[11:28] <penguin42> which at least 50% of people don't know if it's liyama, ilyama, or iiyama
[11:28] <bigcalm> I've never known how to pronounce it
[11:28] <bigcalm> Aha
[11:29] <bigcalm> Sorry for not getting it :)
[11:29] <penguin42> mind you... it look s like it actually changed
[11:29] <penguin42> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iiyama_(company)
[11:30] <penguin42> 'In 2001 it merged with Eiyama to create Iyama Co., Ltd.,...bought Iyama and renamed it to iiyama Co., Ltd'
[11:31] <penguin42> so starting as Liyama (after a place), merged with Eiyama to make Lyama, that got renamed to iiyama
[11:31] <penguin42> is that clear?
[11:32] <bigcalm> As mud
[11:42] <daftykins> incredible
[11:53] <bigcalm> Myrtti: I agree that the weather is not 100% to our liking. Nice that it's cooler now, but not so good as it's overcast and boring looking out there
[12:18] <laney> happy the allotment/garden is getting a watering without me having to do it :>
[12:19] <daftykins> :D
[12:21] <daftykins> wow a politely phrased "sorry i won't do anything until you do all your outstanding tasks" was received well \o/
[12:24] <zxm-pi> the kittens from last night were hostages, weren't they? :-P
[12:25] <daftykins> hehehe
[12:26] <bigcalm> I want a kitty
[12:26] <bigcalm> Really miss the company of cats
[12:27] <daftykins> here's the link for those that missed it: https://youtu.be/ovmEakAMpIo
[12:28] <daftykins> i predict my mum wanting to replace that door before too long!
[12:29] <Myrtti> our scythe just arrived \o/
[12:29] <daftykins> ooh and is the large black cloak already in-hand? ;)
[12:29] <GaryK> did you order a hooded cloak too
[12:29] <daftykins> GaryK: :D
[12:29] <GaryK> haha
[12:33] <Myrtti> you mean a yellow dress isn't acceptable?
[12:33] <GaryK> might be a bit bright to be wearing to invite people into the afterlife, but yeah sure
[12:33] <daftykins> uniforms are important! helps people know you mean business
[12:34] <GaryK> or is the scythe for other uses
[12:35] <Myrtti> allotment grass and weeds
[12:35] <Myrtti> requires kimchi and ramen and Haribo for fuel
[12:40] <daftykins> time to investigate a downed internet connection at a clients, ttfn \o
[12:41] <zxm-pi> o/
[14:19] <ball> If I spot an issue with a package, should I contact the package authors or does Ubuntu have something like a "package maintainer"?
[14:19] <ball> (think it's an application issue rather than an issue with the way it has been packaged)
[14:20] <ball> Suppose it /could/ be Wayland-related but I don't know enough about Wayland to know whether that even makes sense.
[14:23] <ball> brb
[14:38] <bigcalm> If you think it's an application issue, I would expect you'd need to contact the application's maintainer.
[14:39] <bigcalm> If they say it's addressed in release X, but Ubuntu has release X-1, then I'd expect you'd need to contact the package maintainer
[14:39] <bigcalm> These are my guesses, but hopefully educated ones
[14:41] <ball> That makes sense.  Thank you.
[17:25] <daftykins> well the farmhouse comedy never stops, client isn't paying their bill
[17:25] <daftykins> all fixed landline + broadband services disabled xD
[17:29] <zxm-pi> a weekend without broadband... fun times ahead 
[17:29] <penguin42> sigh, my desktop just died :-(
[17:30] <zxm-pi> let us remember penguin42's desktop not as a desktop lost but as a shiny new desktop ordered :-P
[17:30]  * daftykins slides penguin42 a spare
[17:31] <penguin42> zxm-pi: It's not 9months old :-(
[17:32] <zxm-pi> ah a warranty job. can be... interesting
[17:32] <penguin42> but it's built from components...so which item
[17:33] <daftykins> to the troubleshooting table!
[17:34] <daftykins> zxm-pi: it might just save their marriage if the husband doesn't do a runner back to the townhouse to check his email! 
[17:34] <zxm-pi> you have my hammer
[17:43] <penguin42> sigh, i'm seriously up for suggestions;  measured 12v/5v on the drive rails OK;  power LED comes on, thinks about it for 10s or so and goes off, and cycles
[17:46] <daftykins> standard approach, reduce her to minimal parts to run and a single module of RAM and see if you get any joy?
[17:47] <daftykins> so all drives out, any and all unnecessary cards to POST... etc
[17:58] <penguin42> couple of post leds on, the docs say cpu/ram
[17:59] <daftykins> if you had multiple modules of RAM i'd try them one at a time and also in different slots 
[18:02] <penguin42> yeh I've tried reseating them
[18:02] <ball> penguin42: What are the symptoms?
[18:02] <daftykins> i'd cut down to 1 for sure
[18:02] <zxm-pi> depending on who the manufacturer is they would be running you down through daftykins excellent list and then be able to ship you the ram/cpu at end of it
[18:03]  * daftykins bows
[18:04] <zxm-pi> with a chance of 'oh it's a model 27B? yeah i know what that is...'
[18:05] <penguin42> was running, just shut off; power light comes on, goes out 10s or so later with no display, keeps cycling like that
[18:05] <penguin42> tried replacing vga card
[18:05] <daftykins> is it an AMD build with no integrated graphics?
[18:06] <penguin42> right
[18:07] <penguin42> grabs dinner, sigh
[18:07] <daftykins> no luck with the RAM one at a time? enjoy food!
[18:09] <daftykins> if not, and both a CMOS reset and removing all the case front panel I/O headers (power switch, LEDs etc) from the board also change nothing, i'd likely hedge my bets on the PSU
[18:10] <daftykins> (directhex once told me a tale of when he had a stuck reset switch, holding the machine up)
[18:10] <daftykins> remembered that ever since :D shame he doesn't lurk anymore
[18:11] <ball> Perhaps directhex has a new nick.
[18:12]  * daftykins looks left and right
[18:12] <zxm-pi> i had a machine called rip van winkle who would shut himself off at random after 2-3 hours. took 6+ months to diagnose as case shorting off motherboard after hp replaced, ram, cpu, hard drive, power supply, motherboard.
[18:13] <daftykins> :D
[18:13] <zxm-pi> once the case was replaced it worked as badly sa all the other hp d330s we had :-)
[18:22] <daftykins> amazing, the old cardboard box strategy would have gotten that one!
[18:25]  * ball looks sad.
[18:25]  * penguin42 thinks he needs to aim for a sleep first
[18:26] <daftykins> ball: what's happening?
[18:27] <ball> daftykins: A variety of things.  One of them is that the desktop PC I'm having to use doesn't appear to support virtualisation.
[18:27] <ball> brb
[18:28] <daftykins> what's the CPU?
[18:30] <penguin42> daftykins: 3950x ryzen
[18:30] <penguin42> oh, ball's
[18:30] <daftykins> yeah, sorry
[18:30] <daftykins> penguin42: we officially permit you a sleep before diagnosis resumes :D 
[18:42] <ball> daftykins: AMD E-350
[18:43] <ball> (it's the desktop I inherited from my son when he got a Raspberry Pi 400)
[18:46] <daftykins> ball: allegedly those have support, have you tried digging around in the firmware (BIOS/EFI) for options to turn it on? might be labelled "AMD V" or any of a few other names 
[18:47] <daftykins> typically for something so low-end it would probably lack an option, due to the OEM's choice
[18:52] <daftykins> heh just got word the client managed to sign up to direct debit and now services are restored! i've suggested she now check all the other house utilities...
[18:55] <penguin42> well, unplugging pretty much all connectors arent helping
[18:59] <daftykins> i gave you plenty more than that ;D
[19:00] <ball> daftykins: I'll check when I next get the opportunity to reboot.  It's an HP-era Compaq so I'm not holding much hope.
[19:01] <daftykins> ball: eeh, the virt option is pretty common! but yeah i don't think virt would be all that enjoyable on that chip...
[19:02] <ball> My needs are modest and I've given it 16 GB RAM :-)
[19:02] <ball> I'll be back a bit later.
[19:02] <daftykins> o/
[19:12] <penguin42> ooh, life - why
[19:13] <daftykins> :O what's the winning combo?
[19:13] <penguin42> I don't know 
[19:14] <penguin42> I have the DIMMs in the other slots, where they shouldn't be - and they're recognised
[19:14] <penguin42> and I have almost everything else unplugged - but I had that a few minutes ago
[19:15] <daftykins> i've had a primary slot play silly beggars on me before, i'd still recommend reducing to one module at a time one by one and judicious use of a toothbrush in isopropyl alcohol to the slot \o/
[19:15] <penguin42> is that fo rthe board or for the owner?
[19:15] <daftykins> xD
[19:22]  * penguin42 thinks the best thing to do is leave it in that RAM config, and reassemble everything else and see what happens
[19:40] <penguin42> hmm, I hate it when something fials and I don't understand why
[19:42] <penguin42> it normally means it'll do it again when I don't understand it again
[19:47] <daftykins> i mean you could still have an only ever so slightly iffy module, i'd rather be certain than wing it myself - but you could run memtest!
[19:47] <daftykins> a while back i had a single bit error that kept borking a ZFS pool i was playing with
[19:48] <penguin42> yeh but it's pretty rare for a memtest level problem stop at early boot
[19:50] <penguin42> daftykins: Did you read the fb and google papers on subtly faulty CPUs?
[19:51] <daftykins> oh yeah i don't mean to have prevented POST, but could still be the case with an iffy module
[19:53] <daftykins> i did not! any fun stuff in there?
[19:53] <penguin42> https://arxiv.org/abs/2102.11245  is the fb one
[19:54] <penguin42> daftykins: Yeh they've got so many CPUs they occasionally find one that just gives the wrong answer on one core on one instruction
[19:54] <penguin42> daftykins: In both Google and FB's cases apparently impossible corruption/crashes
[19:56] <daftykins> lol that's great, i had read about how they get so much kit they tend to keep intel and AMD busy
[19:56] <daftykins> thanks for the link!
[20:09] <penguin42> the FB one was obviously an insane debug
[20:48] <ball> I suppose Facebook and Google are both large enough that they can write their own diagnostic tests.
[20:48] <ball> ...still tricky, mind.
[20:48] <ball> Damnit, now I'm thinking about Bristol again.
[20:54] <daftykins> the city?
[20:57]  * ball nods
[20:59] <penguin42> ok, this machie is still unreliable - just got a spew of hmm PCIe errors I guess - disc and ether
[21:00] <ball> penguin42: That sounds frustrating.
[21:00] <ball> penguin42: Have you run memtest86+ on it?
[21:00] <penguin42> not yet
[21:01] <ball> I'd try that with just one DIMM fitted.
[21:02] <ball> If it passes, try again with another DIMM in the same socket
[21:02] <daftykins> :)
[21:02] <ball> ...if all the DIMMs pass, populate one entire bank and try again.
[21:02] <daftykins> ball: i passed through Bristol for a flight once! seemed like i should check it out properly eventually
[21:03] <ball> daftykins: Where were you off to?
[21:03] <ball> (or back from)?
[21:03] <ball> I've never flown out of Bristol
[21:03] <daftykins> flew in from Guernsey where i live and visited friends in Worcester
[21:03] <ball> Ah nice.
[21:04] <ball> Only time we flew to the C.I. was from Bournemouth to Jersey when the hydrofoil was cancelled.
[21:04] <daftykins> ah har the one bigger island, or 'Little England' as i like to call it
[21:04] <ball> My dad and I took our first (powered) flight together that day.
[21:04] <daftykins> neat
[21:04] <ball> I've sailed into St. Peter Port, if that counts.
[21:04] <ball> (we've probably talked about that before)
[21:05] <daftykins> quite possibly, if you did it today i could point out one or two client boats :)
[21:05] <ball> Chance would be a fine thing.
[21:06] <daftykins> lol, couple of French tourists snuck ashore on Sark from their boat and have a big fine + court summons ahead of them, now
[21:06] <ball> daftykins: Make an example of 'em, I say.
[21:06] <penguin42> I think it's lost all it's PCIe devices? 
[21:07] <ball> penguin42: Well that's unfortunate.
[21:07] <daftykins> that'd be pretty dramatic, yeah
[21:07] <ball> penguin42: Intel or AMD?
[21:07] <ball> (I haven't been paying close attention)
[21:07] <penguin42> AMD
[21:08] <ball> Oh right, you mentioned a Ryzen 5, I think.
[21:08] <ball> Don't suppose you have a spare motherboard on hand?
[21:09] <penguin42> 3950x
[21:10] <ball> I should check the garage for a spare ATX PSU.
[21:10] <penguin42> nope, no spare ram, motherboard or cpu; maybe a spare PSU
[21:10] <ball> Kicking myself for throwing away my old 20-pin ones.
[21:11] <penguin42> I think the heating just kickked in and maybe....
[21:11] <ball> penguin42: Do you have a PSU tester?
[21:11] <penguin42> no
[21:11] <daftykins> those modern AMD ones beefed up connectors that i'm not sure my 2016 build even has
[21:12] <ball> I wonder what vintage my 20pin jobs were...
[21:12] <daftykins> i had adapter cables quite often to take 24 to 20
[21:13] <penguin42> I'm wondering I might have a spare
[21:13] <daftykins> for the rare times you couldn't just hang the extra end off :D
[21:14] <ball> 13 years old, probably, looking at this.
[21:18] <daftykins> think i'd still be going the memtest route since it'd stress enough of the kit to hopefully show something up
[21:22]  * ball nods
[21:22] <daftykins> plus the more parts you can rule out, the less guesses for what to order in can be made :D
[21:50] <penguin42> yeh I'm going to 1) try another psu, 2) keep an eye on the voltage/temp sensors as it's running - I had dmesg -w   going there before it went and the PCI suff died a good few minutes before it actually reset and woudln't come back
[21:50] <penguin42> so if I can test stuff in that unhappy window maybe I'll find something
[21:51] <daftykins> sounds like a plan
[22:27] <penguin42> arse, that's a 20pin
[22:29] <ball> oops.
[22:29] <penguin42> oh hang on, it's got another 4 pin thing next to it marked 24
[22:29] <daftykins> you're probably going to need at least the other 6 pin supplementary power as well to drive one of those healthily
[22:29] <ball> penguin42: That's alright then!
[22:30] <daftykins> think AMD moved to 8 pins for that one overall, EPS something or other
[22:30] <daftykins> i see intel are trying to move the industry to 12 volt only PSUs in the future
[22:32] <ball> daftykins: Following the lead of Open19?
[22:33] <daftykins> i'm not familiar with that
[22:33] <ball> Ah... one to look up then.
[22:33] <ball> Alright.  The wife and kids are away so I'm off to raid the fridge.
[22:34] <ball> Might roll back here in a bit.
[22:34] <daftykins> :D good luck on finding the goodies
[22:34] <ball> Ta.
[22:36] <penguin42> daftykins: So hmm yes, this psu has a 6 pin and 2 4 pins,  the one in the problematic machine has an 8 pin
[22:37] <daftykins> not sure on compatibility there, as i've not assembled such a recent AMD
[22:44] <penguin42> the psu manual describes it as 4+4 
[22:46] <daftykins> definitely used to having 4+4 as a minimum, but i thought that there were now 2 sets on boards
[22:46] <daftykins> quick google has people suggest 4+4 is enough to run a 3950x
[22:51] <penguin42> damn, that's not gettign any further
[22:51] <penguin42> symptom is slightly different - with the orig psu it comes up waits at the two LED stage and eventually gives up and cycles; with this one it's not given up and cycked
[22:52] <daftykins> hrmm
[22:54] <penguin42> so I'd have to probably conclude it probably isn't probably the psu
[22:57] <daftykins> maybe not identical but kinda useful https://www.overclock.net/threads/my-3950x-system-just-died.1747228/
[23:04] <penguin42> lots of people wth lots of different problems
[23:05] <daftykins> yeah, in fact since that guy was overclocking, death isn't as surprising
[23:11]  * penguin42 doesn't OC
[23:12] <daftykins> mucked about in my youth but all i care about now is stability and things just working :D
[23:34] <penguin42> so hmm, currently up
[23:39] <daftykins> time to torture it some!