[07:35] <sixwheeledbeast> Ctrl+Alt+Delete and then Enter should be shutdown 
[07:36] <sixwheeledbeast> without you have the menu option with a 60 sec timer, i assume you have no display then?
[12:29] <enyc> uerr.. freenode is filing with trolls and chaos
[12:29] <enyc> https://ubuntu-mate.org/irc/   still points to wrong network, there was a git change waiting to go through
[12:29] <enyc> though i'd warn you again as #freenode failing to deal with #ubuntu drug talk etc etc  chaos ensuing
[12:45] <TrechNex> The whole situation with Freenode is a mess tbh. Hopefully once the dust settles libera.chat will be the community's new home :)
[12:47] <TrechNex> Also if any devs are reading, thank you for making Ubuntu MATE happen. As someone who felt a bit lost when the Unity vs GNOME Shell thing started, I'm kicking myself that I didn't try this distro earlier
[12:56] <enyc> TrechNex: yes I liked gnome2, then saw MATE useful, LinuxMint MATE is popular...
[12:57] <enyc> TrechNex: interestingly, these days, XFCE does well and Cinnamon can be set to have traditional MATE-style task-bars etc.
[12:57] <enyc> makes me quesition what niche MATE good for specifically
[13:02] <TrechNex> tbh the alternative for me is running GNOME in "classic" mode, which I do on my paid work machine. But I am given to wonder how long that will be maintained for :D
[13:07] <TrechNex> enyc I think there is value in not having to configure things yourself, and it being set up the way you like it "out of the box".
[13:08] <TrechNex> I did find the software boutique a bit hit or miss though. It'd be good to see that install applications as snaps instead of trying to set up third party repos
[13:09] <sixwheeledbeast> software boutique is now a snap. TBH if you want snaps just use snapcraft or whatever.
[13:09] <TrechNex> Fair. I install things on the command line anyway :D - I'm also using 20.04 LTS, so may be slightly behind
[13:10] <sixwheeledbeast> I don't want snaps so the less of them the better.
[16:24] <enyc> TrechNex: that makes sense....
[16:25]  * enyc mutters about  https://ubuntu-mate.org/irc/   given all the freenode-trolling today -- change been put in but not processed yet ;-(
[19:05] <Mekaneck> enyc: really... who still cares about what's happening on bloody freenode? Let go and move on....
[19:06] <enyc> Mekaneck: maybe so but the page is not moved on
[19:06] <enyc> there is a change submitted in fgitu or wahtever but not gone through
[19:07] <Mekaneck> have some more patience or get involved to help editing websites
[19:08] <Mekaneck> nagging about it all the time doesn't get you anywhere nor does it improve things. The time you spend writing here you could help out elsewhere, imho...
[21:28] <superkuh> I have the weirdest issues with my "trash" on ubuntu mate when I have NFS mounts mounted. If I delete files one one Ubuntu MATE computer they end up shown in the Trash bin on my old Ubuntu 10.04 gnome2. I can't do anything with them when they get there, like restore. And they aren't "really" there, I can't pull them out, but they get listed and I have to 'empty' the second machines trash to get rid of them.
[21:28] <superkuh> That is, I delete something on a HDD in machine one (ubuntu mate) and they end up in the trash on machine two (ubuntu 10.04 gnome2).
[21:29] <superkuh> .Trash-1000 exists in the root of all the HDD on machine 1 and has all file permissions set right.
[21:29] <superkuh> It's gotta be some weird NFS thing.
[22:21] <enyc> Mekaneck: oh i've redirected a lot of people lately and in need of a permission to update some wiki pages now requested =)
[22:22] <enyc> superkuh: wow I remember having 10.04 gnome2 for some time  it was a nice time in system ... but not supported any more tbh
[22:24] <superkuh> Yep. I still use it on one computer because lots of software can't be feasibly run on newer systems. And the software that can has become worse (like gtk3 removing features).
[22:31] <enyc> superkuh: why not make that into a chroot on other systems?
[22:31] <enyc> so the particular programs can run in the chroot with same homedir bind mounted into chroot
[22:32] <enyc> superkuh: btw -- what software has this incompatibility ?
[22:32] <superkuh> Or, I can just keep things working bare metal and build new computers with modern OSes (what I do).
[22:32] <superkuh> gtk1/2 stuff, gnu radio builds, things that use features of older glibc, etc, etc. Most of my software isn't from repos but bits of code I found online and compiled over the years.
[22:33] <superkuh> I do build new machines and attempt to run old software and most of the time it, or my competence, is not up to the task of forwards porting.
[22:33] <superkuh> Let's just say it's a matter of taste.
[22:34] <superkuh> Some day I'm gonna figure out this weird trash sharing though.