[00:01] <penguin42> alas it doesn't seem to take much more than a bit of youtube
[00:03] <penguin42> damn, 'memtest86+ does not support EFI systems'
[00:04] <daftykins> yeah the history has gotten pretty murky with that now, in some cases i've enabled CSM solely to boot an old school release
[00:04] <daftykins> i think the non+ version is the more modern
[00:10] <penguin42> eww when did it go commercial
[00:10] <daftykins> i know :(
[00:16] <daftykins> ooh they have a page on extracting the EFI boot image so you can then copy it onto your ESP
[00:34] <penguin42> I wonder if it would make sense for me to try getting one of the low end ryznes with built in gpu 
[00:36] <daftykins> hang on, my mate in Exeter might still have the one i got for his build when i thought he needed it to update firmware
[00:36] <daftykins> i could ask him tomorrow if he'd be up for posting it up to you?
[00:36] <penguin42> sure, please do
[00:37] <daftykins> cool, i will check if he still has it :D
[00:43] <penguin42> so it's not good if memtest locks up, right ?
[00:43] <daftykins> nope! what method of booting it did you go for, spare flash drive?
[00:44] <penguin42> it ran for about 5mins
[00:45] <daftykins> i've always used the old one to be honest, mostly via legacy boot of 'buntu media for example - only time i had freezes was when somehow the drive prep didn't go well
[00:45] <penguin42> I'm just assuming this is the same lockup
[10:16] <zxm-pi> allo allo
[11:34] <daftykins> happy Saturday \o
[11:34] <zxm-pi> o/
[11:35] <daftykins> heh my cat just got treats and is now sounding her battle cry of achievement out on the flat roof above the kitchen, which is visible from my office chair
[11:35] <daftykins> "mraw dreamies were had, it is a good day"
[11:36] <penguin42> I hate to think what they put in them
[11:37] <zxm-pi> isn't there some uk cat treat being recalled atm?
[11:37] <penguin42> nod
[11:37] <penguin42> not those though
[11:37] <daftykins> so that's why they were on discount ;)
[11:37] <zxm-pi> ah, dry cat food https://news.sky.com/story/sainsburys-and-pets-at-home-recall-dry-cat-food-products-over-link-to-outbreak-of-potentially-deadly-feline-disease-12334199
[11:38] <daftykins> ooh err
[11:41] <daftykins> penguin42: left a message with my pal in Exeter about the CPU, just got to wait until he notices it :D 
[11:47] <penguin42> daftykins: Thank you!!!
[11:48] <penguin42> my plan for today was to hope it would have come on for a few moments after a nights rest and copy the data off the m.2's - but nope, doesnt want to play
[11:48] <daftykins> :( 
[11:49] <daftykins> i buy these cheap "kingshare" brand PCIe slot adapters for M.2 PCIe SSDs, in case you need to get something important using another system
[11:50] <penguin42> yep, that was the plan, together with some spare ram
[11:52] <daftykins> if he's game, i can probably ask him to just fish out the chip and ignore the little tiny cooler it came with eh? no doubt the one you have would be much easier to re-use
[11:53] <daftykins> make it a nice rapid small envelope/jiffy bag thing to zip through the post then
[11:55] <daftykins> EEVBlog upgrade woes: https://youtu.be/MiqxUaWkGYY
[12:00] <penguin42> daftykins: Oh yeh, I have a mighty cooler
[12:01] <penguin42> daftykins: I just need the expensive fuse
[12:01] <daftykins> hehe
[12:04] <daftykins> omw the crimes against hardware in the above video xD
[12:17] <penguin42> just upgrading his previous machine out of f32 then I can move the spinny disks over to it
[12:20] <daftykins> having a spare came in really handy for me when the PSU bit the dust a bit ago, much rather just boot another than muck around with part swapping when busy
[12:24] <penguin42> yeh I do have other machines, like this laptop and my old machine, but my main machine does have some stuff in it's home directory I probably rarely backp
[12:25] <daftykins> i realised that reply might have sounded like a judgement on your drive swapping but i really meant that i was glad not to have to swap in a working PSU just to get back to work :D
[12:25] <penguin42> no no, that was fine
[12:25] <penguin42> and I'm pretty sure the PSU swap I did in the early hours did show the problem wasnt psu
[12:26] <daftykins> mmm that dmesg output definitely sounded like something more dramatic going on
[12:27] <daftykins> ooh i could take a stab at trying to flash this little network camera's bootloader from the backup this weekend, i bought one of these little programmers
[12:27] <daftykins> word is it won't work with the clip-on, so needs desoldering
[12:28] <penguin42> fun - doesnt it have 4 convenient looking pads that are near the flash?
[12:29] <daftykins> i did solder on a few wires and having working TTL yeah - it kinda boots to a boot menu but no keyboard input seems to be taken, i didn't see any instructions on how to flash via that
[12:31] <daftykins> https://i.imgur.com/Ue4Nr5d.jpg
[12:38] <penguin42> oh, I meant jtag pads
[12:39] <daftykins> ah
[12:43] <daftykins> it's kinda funny, i flashed this modified bootloader from a project which lets you adjust the memory allocations so it can do higher quality video, but i think the model i got is sufficiently different that their code doesn't support the NAND
[12:43] <daftykins> i'm hoping it'll revert to its' earlier working behaviour once i restore the backup
[12:44] <penguin42> yeh that's what the error seems to suggest isnt it
[12:45] <daftykins> yip
[12:46] <daftykins> it's so strange that that prompt doesn't take any input, it looks like it should
[12:46] <daftykins> at least nothing gets echo'd on screen
[12:48] <penguin42> perhaps it dosnt like your serial ?
[12:48] <daftykins> i can't have any of the 3 wires on wrong to get that far, can i?
[12:49] <daftykins> i was a bit surprised when i guessed right first time
[12:53] <penguin42> hmm probably not; is this a little usb-serial bare wire adapter?
[12:56] <daftykins> yeah, i repaired a misflashed Netgear managed switch using it - legitimate FTDI chip in there i think
[12:56] <daftykins> can't be 100% it isn't a knock-off
[12:57] <penguin42> ok, you can get some differences if things want 3.3v/5v/1.8v serial I think these days, but shrug
[12:58] <daftykins> ah yeah, probably best to hop straight to attacking and restoring the chip :D 
[12:58] <daftykins> i hope their instructions match even if their code didn't xD
[13:06] <daftykins> penguin42: my pal's game, i'll PM you my email if you could send me your address to forward on
[13:11] <ball> Mornin'
[13:12] <daftykins> wb ball \o
[13:12] <ball> Thanks!
[13:12] <daftykins> any luck hunting for the virtualisation feature?
[13:13] <ball> daftykins: I haven't had an opportunity to reboot, sadly.
[13:13] <ball> Might get there this afternoon though.
[13:13] <daftykins> :)
[13:14] <ball> brb
[13:34] <ball> If I close a few programs, perhaps I can reboot into the CMOS setup program now.
[13:35] <ball> I have a build running on something else but I can connect to that from elsewhere...
[13:35] <ball> brb, rebooting.
[13:35] <penguin42> ball: Which CPU do you have ?
[13:36] <ball> penguin42: E-350
[13:37] <ball> (also have a couple of other AMD chips but not on my desk in working machines.
[13:37] <ball> )
[13:44] <ball> daftykins: You were right!  Found it under "System Security".
[13:44] <daftykins> :) yay
[13:45] <ball> \o/
[13:46] <daftykins> let the VMing fun continue
[13:48]  * ball nods
[13:48] <ball> Installing Ubuntu Server into a VM now.
[13:49] <ball> Gnome Boxes seems friendly but I didn't see any network options there.
[13:49] <ball> ...and I'm not sure how I'd pass devices through to the VM.
[13:50] <ball> Still, it's hugely helpful that I can use a VM now.
[13:50] <daftykins> which kind, USB?
[13:50] <ball> Thanks daftykins!
[13:50] <daftykins> you're welcome :) 
[13:50] <ball> daftykins: USB disks is what I had in mind.
[13:52] <daftykins> ah right, yeah not sure on that for the virt tech you're using
[13:52] <ball> I'll have a tinker, anyway.
[13:53] <ball> I have to go but I'll be back later, I expect.
[14:09] <daftykins> penguin42: pal just gave word the chip is on its' way 1st class :D
[14:10] <daftykins> i will be curious to see how speedy mainland post is
[14:15] <penguin42> daftykins: Oh excellent!
[15:04] <penguin42> daftykins: I mean the thing is, if it weren't for the apocalypse I'd get my dad to drive me upto scan with the machine and start buying parts until it wakes up
[15:05] <daftykins> indeedy, not sure how much rules have relaxed up there yet but i'd be in no rush to venture far and wide that's for sure
[15:06] <penguin42> daftykins: well, Scotland have banned anyone from Manchester or Salford
[15:15] <daftykins> oh wow, is it particularly bad by you?
[15:16] <penguin42> there are covid standing on the corners with coshes beating the immune system out of you
[15:18] <daftykins> cor i haven't seen that word in a while! sounds scary
[15:18] <penguin42> daftykins: I'm on the border of bury/salford/manchester all of which are over 300 cases/100k in the top ~10 areas
[15:19] <penguin42> daftykins: Scan, about 10 miles north of here, is in Bolton which is where the current Delta variant took off
[15:20] <daftykins> ah didn't know that part - but yeah i got some monitors for clients off them just the other day
[15:20] <daftykins> once was they refused to deal with us VAT dodgers
[15:20] <penguin42> daftykins: I've been buying off them for about 30 years
[15:20] <daftykins> :D
[15:28] <penguin42> daftykins: I bought my 1st Linux PC off them in 94, a Pentium 90
[15:29] <daftykins> wow i had no idea they had that much of a legacy
[15:29] <daftykins> same owner, do you know?
[15:29] <penguin42> yeh I think it is
[15:34] <penguin42> not that I know them well; I dont buy stuff that often; but when it was back then I did end up seeing the boss since i was buying what at the time was a top end system when they were small and asking all these odd questions about exactly which device it was
[15:36] <daftykins> :D nice when they know their stuff
[15:37] <daftykins> zxm-pi: now there's a Pi 4 'sink: https://youtu.be/AQjlanEJ85c?t=128
[16:10] <daftykins> ah that's a stroke of luck, i just enquired about an iMac on local trade websites and it turns out they're a stone's throw from my parents place, so i can not only sponge for a lift with it, but not put them out too much :D
[16:16] <penguin42> ok, sata drives in old machine, can get to critical stuff; - although not the rest of my home directory which are on the RAID1 M.2's
[16:35] <daftykins> on my last order i got 2 of those adapter cards just in case i ever need to retrieve someone's data from such drives!
[16:36] <penguin42> you see that's why you should get daftykins to do your IT for you
[16:38] <daftykins> :D
[19:16] <penguin42> right, lets see, heatsink compound, M.2 PCIe M.2 adaptor, 4GB bottom end DDR4 Dimm
[19:17] <daftykins> one AMDs like? :D
[19:17] <daftykins> probably grew out of their memory fussiness by 3rd generation ones mind
[19:18] <penguin42> well who knows, corasair vengeance LPX 4GB
[19:21] <daftykins> that'll do, then :D
[19:23] <penguin42> actually, the Corasir Value select 4GB DDR4 is 2666
[19:24] <penguin42> may as well go for higher clock, more cycles 
[19:30] <penguin42> hmm a bargain basement uatx ryzen motherboard is £40
[19:36] <penguin42> ordered
[21:35] <zxm-pi> that's a beautiful heat sink. very 50s fins and all :-)
[21:36] <zxm-pi> i would wonder how well it would do in a warm room. in summer.
[21:37] <zxm-pi> i think one of the things holding me back with replacing my original pi b is that pi's 3 onwards prefer a heatsink or fan
[21:39] <daftykins> i don't think you'd see much cause to require active cooling if you're not causing sustained load
[21:42] <zxm-pi> i use a very lite load. but have been thinking of the 8gb pi as a desktop to replace an aging lenovo 4gb laptop that was a 'bargin' a few years ago
[21:42] <zxm-pi> or even the pi 400
[21:43] <daftykins> mmm it's all about the instantaneous bursts really, until you open a browser xD
[21:43] <daftykins> a good 'sink is always worthy for longevity of the kit!
[21:43] <daftykins> how museum class is the Lenovo?
[21:44] <zxm-pi> have found using a tab suspender in firefox really fixes the ram hogginess. set to having 2-3 tabs active and it hibernates the others frees up a tonne of ram and stops use of virtual memory
[21:44] <waveform> zxm-pi, the pi400 has *significantly* better cooling than pretty much any other pi4, but the 4gb memory limit is certainly a squeeze with some heavier applications (*cough* pick-a-browser *cough*)
[21:44] <zxm-pi> yeah the 4gb is the biggest bottle neck on it
[21:45] <waveform> with a bit of zswap it's certainly usable though -- used one as my primary desktop for 6 months during the hirsute cycle
[21:46] <waveform> in hindsight I wish I'd known about the tab suspender because I definitely had to limit myself to <20 tabs in firefox (which is ... not my usual number!)
[21:47] <zxm-pi> yeah, totally changed how i used browsesrs on systems. was closing browers every 2-3 hours or so to free ram. now firefox runs all day no problems
[21:48] <daftykins> :)
[21:48] <daftykins> a couple of clients shock me the way they use theirs
[21:48] <zxm-pi> on vivaldi (chromium  in disguise) it helps but not as well. but does reduce number of restarts to free ram
[21:48] <daftykins> the other day i got bored scrolling through the tab list at one
[21:48] <daftykins> took too long to find the start
[21:49] <zxm-pi> save session, close all, do task, reopen session :-)
[21:50] <daftykins> well that one in particular doesn't know how to manage open stuff, so typically you see 20+ of the same thing when looking at the tabs
[21:50] <daftykins> if i'm doing a thing, i just use another usually to avoid their own mess xD
[22:23] <zxm-pi> the lenovo claims to be a g50-30 which i got in argos 4+ years ago as end of line if you don't give it a home we're throwing it out half price jobbie :-)
[22:25] <daftykins> hrmm i've worked with that line, super duper budget
[22:25] <daftykins> not sure on CPU though, could vary a lot
[22:25] <daftykins> drat btw, local trade site iMac sounds like it's a 2009 model, i misunderstood earlier on the phone
[22:26] <daftykins> only for a client so no huge loss, £800 for the 2017 model one that's listed
[22:28] <zxm-pi> oh yeah, i used to write the dates of the new argos catalog releases and time my purchases to a few days before release so as to get the bargin basement prices. can't do that now they don't have a catalog :-/
[22:28] <daftykins> you need to befriend an insider!
[22:29] <zxm-pi> i don't think they retain staff long enough for that. don't think i've ever been served by same staff twice
[22:30] <daftykins> :(
[22:30] <zxm-pi> i can only imagine the hot as hell packed warehouse behind the store front
[22:34] <penguin42> zxm-pi: Do you think there internal process and timings is the same, they just dont do the printing?
[22:35] <zxm-pi> same but site can still hold old stock till it sells whereas in catalog it wasn't worth space in new one
[22:53] <daftykins> g'night fellas \o
[22:55] <penguin42> ooh just moved my 2nd dose earlier by almost a week
[23:06] <zxm-pi> getting my 2nd pfizer next friday all going well
[23:32] <penguin42> this is moderna, so I'm expecting to feel pretty awful the next day