[01:37]  * ball waves
[01:47]  * ball staggers off into the distance
[02:59] <luke> hi
[09:15] <renaissance> Hi anybody
[09:17] <guiverc> renaissance, G'day, if you have a Lubuntu support just ask it, people answer as they're able (ie. be patient), for discussion best to use #lubuntu-offtopic
[09:21] <renaissance> nice thanks... i am customizing lxd @this time...i miss the transparent window view for terminal of example.. i need to install the composit plugin for lxd of course... iam searching for the right package to install, but want prevent some crashes
[09:23] <guiverc> why ask here?  I'd have though #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server more appropriate..  Lubuntu is a desktop system & doesn't ship with lxd
[09:23] <guiverc> renaissance, ^
[09:26] <renaissance> i usually prefer to adapt the server variant^
[16:44] <renaissance> what's going on, are there any current discussions in this channel that can be joined?
[16:45] <renaissance> are irc commands available for this channel ?
[16:51] <Wafficus> Hey there, I'm running Lubuntu in a VM inside VirtualBox, and its booting to a black screen
[16:51] <Wafficus> how do I send commands to it so that I can switch to a TTY terminal and install the related ubuntu drivers? I ask because there's only 3 DE's to choose from in the main menu, aka Lubuntu, LxQt, and Openbox, but each open up to a black screen for some reason
 Hi friends, I installed Lou Ubuntu, but this message is coming, does anyone know what this is ??
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/d5dc41e2/file_2858.jpg
 There is no such thing as "Lou Ubuntu" you mean Lubuntu right?
 @MOHammad138050 ^^ also you tend to get kernel panics like that if your system isn't supported in the kernel or you're missing firmware patches on the older system (like BIOS patches).  How old is the system you're installing on?
 Yes my system is old System specifications:
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/1bc75be1/file_2859.jpg
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/b49f6a87/file_2860.jpg
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/672f3900/file_2861.jpg
[17:25] <renaissance> Not syncing usually happens when the kernel can't read its root device. Are you using an initrd with this kernel? if not, you must build the sata driver and the filesystem driver directly into the kernel, not as modules
[17:27] <renaissance> Entschuldigung, lustige Frage... Sie können zwischen verschiedenen TTYl wechseln, indem Sie STRG+ALT+Fn verwenden. Um zum Beispiel zu tty1 zu wechseln, geben wir STRG+ALT+F1 . ein
[17:27] <renaissance> for englisch people : sorry, funny question... You can switch between different TTYl by using CTRL+ALT+Fn keys. For example to switch to tty1, we type CTRL+ALT+F1
[17:28] <Wafficus> the black screen happened after I followed this guide: 
[17:28] <Wafficus> https://www.easytechguides.com/install-virtualbox-guest-additions/
[17:28] <Wafficus> I installed guest additions ISO with the updated kernel components
[17:32] <Wafficus> this is within a Macbook Pro
[17:32] <Wafficus> *host
[17:32] <Wafficus> running Lubuntu guest within a VirtualBox VM
[17:33] <renaissance> quite a challenge with mac
[17:35] <renaissance> with these recommended settings ? https://medium.com/macoclock/ubuntu-with-mac-os-using-virtualbox-967191154366
[17:37] <Wafficus> yeah even beyond
[17:37] <Wafficus> I got 6GB RAM dedicated to it
[17:37] <Wafficus> 50GB drive for the VDI
[17:38] <renaissance> why not try a debian server and install the lubuntu desktop after .. the configuration usually runs by itself... if you get black screen, i think you have issue with graphics sdl, etc ..
[17:39] <Wafficus> yeah not sure
[17:39] <Wafficus> I have gone the whole gambit today unfortuantely
[17:39] <Wafficus> *unfortunately
[17:39] <Wafficus> I tried CentOS earlier
[17:39] <Wafficus> realized the work based production machine can't handle Fedora so I couldn't use that
[17:39] <Wafficus> was told Ubuntu would be fine for it, so I figured why not Lubuntu
[17:40] <Wafficus> worst case scenario, I can try straight Ubuntu
[17:41] <renaissance> what do you think of a kvm hypervisor as a baremetal system and you manage it via mac: https://seeseekey.net/archive/111092/
[17:43] <renaissance> simple amd core with one ssd and network connection, but full compatibility ^ and no experiments... i know, i like experiments too
[17:43] <Wafficus> eh I've used KVM before but I kind of find it more of a pain than VM's need to be
[17:43] <Wafficus> I mean, they're good once you get past the first little bit
[17:43] <Wafficus> I forget the side stuff you have to install
[17:43] <Wafficus> but there's some kind of annoying intro stuff you have to install ahead of time that you have to search on forum posts first
[17:44] <Wafficus> can't remember what
[17:44] <Wafficus> but yeah idk, wanted to just stick with VirtualBox to be completely honest
[17:44] <Wafficus> KVM just is a pain to use comparatively
[17:47] <renaissance> virtualbox is easy to use and you can adapt the configurations, but otherwise closed source ... which is not bad either, but adapting is rather difficult when it comes to systems that should be adapted a bit
[17:47] <Wafficus> it looks like increasing the video RAM seems to have done the trick
[17:47] <Wafficus> though apparently
[17:47] <Wafficus> this is a known issue across the board with Lubuntu and Guest Additions ISO
[17:47] <Wafficus> not sure if you dudes have a bug for that though
[17:47] <Wafficus> https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualbox/comments/isjuqk/virtualbox_lubuntu_boots_to_a_black_screen_please/
[17:47] <renaissance> nice, thas it what i thought
[17:47] <Wafficus> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/508999/lubuntu-virtual-box-black-screen-after-login
[17:47] <Wafficus> https://askubuntu.com/questions/982796/problem-black-screen-with-lubuntu-in-virtual-box
[17:48] <Wafficus> https://askubuntu.com/questions/982796/problem-black-screen-with-lubuntu-in-virtual-box
[17:48] <renaissance> version dependencies ?
[17:48] <Wafficus> whoops double post
[17:48] <Wafficus> yeah not sure though
[17:48] <Wafficus> I made sure I was using the latest for everything
[17:48] <Wafficus> VirtualBox, as well as updated everything for Lubuntu
[17:48] <Wafficus> either way, should be ok for now
[17:48] <renaissance> lets give try
[17:49] <Wafficus> for sure, going to install Apache Directory for now
[17:49] <renaissance> sometimes the newest versions are not the best
[17:49] <Wafficus> just treating that VM as a workspace for LDAP learning etc
[17:51] <renaissance> sounds good and the samba in another vm?
[17:51] <Wafficus> nah, just mostly for setting up a fake LDAP instance to tap into later
[17:51] <Wafficus> its more for work
[17:52] <renaissance> good job, if works
[17:53] <Wafficus> random question
[17:53] <Wafficus> could you install .deb installers on Ubuntu?
[17:54] <Wafficus> I would guess that you could, because Debian is upstream
[17:54] <Wafficus> but wanted to ask first
[17:54] <renaissance> ubuntu is debian
[17:55] <renaissance> of course
 but a warning:
 debs that were built for Debian may not work on Ubuntu and vice versa
 because of changing libs in the different releases
 esp. if the .deb was for older Debian
[17:56] <Wafficus> I see
[17:56] <renaissance> learned something about it again
 while at the core, Ubuntu and Debian share the same .deb and dpkg installation formats and infrastructure, each release of Ubuntu or Debian has different library versions in each
 so something that's built for a super new library won't necessarily work in Ubuntu 18.04 for instance.
 Ubuntu or Lubuntu*
 while something that is written for a very old library may not work in Ubuntu 20.04 if that library is deprecated or its core functionality changes
 that's the only thing you have to be careful of with straight .deb files not in repositories for your given release ;)
[18:02] <renaissance> maybee a package install simulation with : apt-get -V -s install {package-name-here} is recommended
[18:03] <Wafficus> how would I purge a .deb package I just installed?
[18:03] <renaissance> --purge
[18:04] <Wafficus> thanks
[18:04] <Wafficus> yeah cause apt has 'apacheds' too
[18:04] <Wafficus> so I think I'll just go with the pre-packaged version for now
[18:04] <Wafficus> it has the latest version anyway