[08:33] <BraveheartBSD> Is XFS filesystem a viable alternative for rain volumes? EXT4 is having issues
[08:34] <BraveheartBSD> rain - raid
[08:47] <mrvdv> I can send email fine from my server to say eg. *@gmail.com but i can't get any email to my server from *@gmail.com.. i get a email back saying 550 Unrouteable address.. is there something i can change for this ?
[09:03] <TJ-> mrvdv: it looks like your SMTP server isn't accepting that domain/address
[09:03] <mrvdv> what do i look for to see if thats the issue
[09:05] <TJ-> depends on the email server; check it's config docs for locally routed domains/addresses
[14:01] <Peanut> Hi - does anyone know wheter one can use gluster from QEMU/libvirt in Ubuntu 20.04, or perhaps a more recent Ubuntu?
[14:05] <cpaelzer> Peanut: it is currently not enabled https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glusterfs/+bug/1274247
[14:35] <Peanut> cpaelzer: Thanks! That's unfortunate news, but I can sort of understand the rationale. Perhaps we'll have to try another distro, or just live with the performance penalty.
[14:36] <cpaelzer> depending on what you do there almost always is yet another option around
[14:36] <cpaelzer> but it depends so much on your use case that only you can evaluate / decide
[14:38] <Peanut> We run a number of VMs on a pair of servers, and we mirror the ZFS based storage between both servers using gluster. This gives us the ability to live-migrate guests, and storage/hardware redundancy.
[17:14] <bewees> installed kde plasma on ubuntu server, rebooted and it started gnome. isn't gnome removed from ubuntu-server?
[17:21] <bewees> seems that kde plasma has a gnome depedency (libsoup-gnome2.4-1) and somehow it install the gnome DE, really confused
[17:22] <leftyfb> bewees: why not just install kubuntu from scratch?
[17:23] <bewees> leftyfb: i wanted to install kde plasma without the extra apps
[17:45] <bewees> on the ubuntu package website i dont see a gnome dependency for ubuntu focal, maybe this is a packaging problem with ubuntu server? I tried it on a new ubuntu server system and I see again the gnome dependency 
[17:45] <bewees> this package: kde-plasma-desktop
[17:48] <bewees> i'm using these images: https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/focal/release/
[17:53] <sarnold> bewees: ubuntu server is just a different set of default starting packages than ubuntu desktop, all the binary packages are identical between them; you could install an ubuntu server and turn it into desktop by installing the right things, uninstalling the right things, etc
[17:54] <sarnold> bewees: my laptop for example started from an ubuntu-server install, made via debootstrap, and then I installed xdm and i3wm and network manager and pulse audio and so forth; at the time, that was the best way to get zfs root filesystem
[17:54] <bewees> yeah, that was my goal. i have to figure out why it wants to install gnome though when I use the metapackage `kde-plasma-desktop`. `apt install kde-plasma-desktop|grep gnome` shows many gnome packages
[17:54] <sarnold> bewees: but it's pretty rare for eg kde on a server -- there *shouldn't* be anything to bring in KDE, I'm not sure what you're looking to do, but if you want kde you should be able to "just" apt install whatever it is you want
[17:55] <sarnold> ahhh
[17:55] <sarnold> maybe add in --no-install-recommends
[17:56] <bewees>  https://i.imgur.com/AoezXaC.png
[17:56] <bewees> oh let me try that
[17:58] <bewees> now it had only one gnome library and instead of 2000mb it's now only 1000mb big
[17:59] <bewees> why does it recommend to install gnome when i want to install kde :-)
[18:05] <sarnold> maybe pastebin the whole thing?
[18:10] <bewees> sarnold: it installed now kde without gnome. it's difficult to paste all because im running it in a kvm qemu and I didn't figure out yet how to increase the display size
[18:11] <sarnold> bewees: ah, I always ssh into my vms, huge scrollback
[18:11] <bewees> oh i should have done that
[18:13] <bewees> sarnold: here you go: https://dpaste.org/LdOC
[18:13] <bewees> example now with xfce4, same result as with kde-plasma
[18:16] <sarnold> bewees: have you seen the apt-rdepend tool yet? it's pretty neat https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QhhdzVVY8g/
[18:18] <bewees> sarnold: oh that's a useful tool, im going to note it down
[18:18] <sarnold> bewees: there's also an 'equivs' package that can help you fake up packages to lie to apt
[18:18] <bewees> btw it still installs a full fledged gnome DE  nevertheless, packages that are not included in apt-rdepend: gnome-bluetooth gnome-control-center gnome-control-center-data gnome-control-center-faces gnome-desktop3-data gnome-keyring gnome-keyring-pkcs11 gnome-menus gnome-online-accounts gnome-power-manager gnome-screensaver
[18:18] <bewees>   gnome-session-bin gnome-session-common gnome-settings-daemon gnome-settings-daemon-common gnome-startup-applications gnome-user-docs
[18:19] <sarnold> bewees: I wonder if those are hanging around from a previous command that set the dpkg disposition on those to "install"
[18:19] <sarnold> .. and it's just now getting around to making it so
[18:19] <bewees> hmm, i tried this with a third fresh vm from the cloudinit images
[18:20] <bewees> let me get ubuntu server without cloudinit and retry
[20:42] <bewees> i got the same result from ubuntu-server iso from the website: https://dpaste.org/2xMv#L104
[20:45] <bewees> it's not the exact same result though, the first link had also gnome-bluetooth and maybe couple more,  but still packages that aren't required i think