[01:22] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Looks great. Only criticism I now have is that it's not detecting USB audio devices (other than the one set as master) prior to start, which means I'm having to hotplug devices in order to get them to be recognized.
[01:45] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Further information: It's only letting USB devices show up if it's uplugged/replugged after the "Bridge USB Devices" checkbox has been unchecked/rechecked. Still won't detect USB devices on Jack start.
[03:14] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: thanks. I thought I had checked that but... I did check auto switch from USB to internal for sure. And plug and unplug (as you say) works too. But not pluged in when start, ok.
[03:17] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: It also doesn't deal well with systems that don't have an internal device (other than hdmi) Something else I have to fix.
[03:17] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I can't get my internal device to work if I use my external.
[03:54] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: explain?
[03:56] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: My internal audio isn't available to Jack if I use my external USB interface as master.
[03:56] <Eickmeyer> Not that I'm complaining too much since I wouldn't anyhow, it'd just introduce latency.
[03:56] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: it doesn't shoe up in extra?
[03:57] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: It shows up in extra, but doesn't show up in the patchbay despite any setting I make.
[03:57] <OvenWerks> or do you expect it to auto bridge when USB is plugged in?
[03:57] <OvenWerks> ok
[04:00]  * OvenWerks is taking notes
[04:01] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Basically, I'd expect my internal audio to show-up by default, despite any USB plugged-in. Sure, I can select it as master, but the moment I select anything else as master it disappears.
[04:07] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I think not everyone would want that. What if you set it to all channels in extra?
[04:12] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: basically you have to turn it on in extra devices by settings the number of channels you want for in/out. If it is not jack master it would then be bridged
[04:15] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: it is the same with usb devices which are set to 100 channels by default when detected but the user can choose to set them to fewer channels or off (in the case of a webcam)
[04:16] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: also "internal" device is hard to detect (I am finding) or may not exist at all.
[04:20] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I tried detecting a "default" device... and there is an issue (59 and 60) for when there is no internal or there is only hdmi
[04:24] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: to choose default alsa device I am looking at:
[04:24] <OvenWerks> hda device that is not hdmi
[04:25] <OvenWerks> other pci device.
[04:25] <OvenWerks> alsa driven firewire device
[04:25] <OvenWerks> hdmi
[04:26] <OvenWerks> then jackaster = none and USBdev is the first USB device which should default to the first usb device.
[18:11] <RikMills> https://kde.org/announcements/plasma/5/5.22.2/
[18:11] <RikMills> uploading
[19:03] <OvenWerks> RikMills: thanks to the team for all the fixes and effort
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Another issue: when hotunplugging/plugging in a device, I'll sometimes get a duplicate device.
[19:31] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: noted. Hopefully fixing the other problem with usb bridges not on jack start will fix that too.
[19:31] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, that would be good.
[19:33] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: for the problem you listed last night: "I'd expect my internal audio to
[19:33] <OvenWerks>                    show-up by default, despite any USB plugged-in."
[19:35] <OvenWerks> I might change convert to auto set channels of the non-USB dev to all at least if the old version is less that 2.1.60
[19:36] <OvenWerks> So it still work the same as 2.1.4 on first run but the user can turn that off if they wish.
[19:36] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That's fair.
[19:37] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: The problem is that people new to Jack are going to get confused as to why their internal audio doesn't just show-up unless opted out. It's not intuitive to have internal audio opt-in.
[19:37] <OvenWerks> not sure what to do for first time users though.
[19:38] <OvenWerks> Ok, that sort lof answers my question
[21:19] <wonko> In other news I think my case is at the post office waiting for me to pick it up so I should be able to build the new computer tomorrow.
[21:19] <wonko> Then I can start playing with this stuff too
[21:20] <wonko> I ended up keeping the komplete audio 6 so I've got a USB device to test this shirt l sort of thing with too.
[21:20] <wonko> This sort of thing too. Stupid phone.
[23:10] <wonko> Ooohhh, message says I may get my nick if the person who registered it doesn't use it. Woo!
[23:49] <OvenWerks> wonko: so you have to wait two weeks and ask for it to be released
[23:57] <wonko> OvenWerks: yeah, but at least it's possible. 😁