| === jacobr is now known as Kraft | ||
| Kraft | hey yall | 04:00 |
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| nurupo | hey? | 04:39 |
| Guest4264 | Hello, I'm new to linux and saw that this thing had an IRC!!! | 05:01 |
| === Guest4264 is now known as lubuntu | ||
| === lubuntu is now known as Guest2538 | ||
| dragon2 | Does lubuntu have swap space? | 11:21 |
| dragon2 | I initially thought it did, it used to have | 11:21 |
| dragon2 | I can`t make hibernation work on my portable | 11:21 |
| guiverc | dragon2, you' | 11:23 |
| guiverc | sorry; you've not provided release details.. 21.04 for example asks if you want to enable swap for new installs; but not for replace.partition & some options | 11:24 |
| guiverc | lubuntu 21.04 offers swapfile; if you want swap partition you need to manually add that (manual partitioning) | 11:24 |
| guiverc | dragon2, for an existing install (where swap wasn't added), you can look at https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/how-to-create-a-swapfile-in-lubuntu-20-04-20-10/1959 for how | 11:25 |
| guiverc | also note: the default swap file is tiny; you've likely more ram than it creates so you'll likely need to create a larger swapfile | 11:26 |
| dragon2 | Thanks | 11:32 |
| dragon2 | I didn`t think of swap at all when I installed | 11:32 |
| dragon2 | I think I have the latest lubuntu | 11:32 |
| guiverc | you should check... the latest is the 2021-April or 21.04 release. | 11:33 |
| dragon2 | I do the upgrades, but I can`t remember if it was before or after april, but there abouts | 11:33 |
| guiverc | If you enter a command like `free -h` you'll get two lines; top is RAM, bottom isswap. If you've no swap the second line is likely 0's only | 11:34 |
| guiverc | for hibernate to work; you need to have more swap than RAM (and still have room for whatever swap is used before you attempt the hibernate) | 11:36 |
| dragon2 | 8 GBRAM, 16GB swab? | 11:36 |
| dragon2 | I have not upped the ram on this computer, just new ssd | 11:37 |
| guiverc | the amount of swap needed varies on how you use your system, what apps you run etc.. `free -h` can provide clues | 11:37 |
| dragon2 | I can`t find the lubuntu release info | 11:38 |
| guiverc | lubuntu comes with `neofetch` so it can be run from a terminal | 11:39 |
| dragon2 | 0 swap | 11:39 |
| guiverc | (along with `lsb_relase -a` & other commands) | 11:39 |
| dragon2 | I may have done something wrong on the install | 11:39 |
| guiverc | likely you did NOT do anything wrong.. the swap option didn't exist on prior releases (sorry i forget when it was offered) but is still not offered for all install types, only 'erase disk & install' from memory | 11:40 |
| guiverc | to add swap; refer to link I provided earlier on lubuntu's discourse | 11:41 |
| dragon2 | lsb not found | 11:41 |
| guiverc | lsb_release -- note the "_" is not a space | 11:42 |
| dragon2 | oh, ubuntu 20.10 | 11:43 |
| dragon2 | I may burn a 21.04 | 11:43 |
| dragon2 | I need a clean install not part of the upgrade | 11:43 |
| guiverc | you can upgrade from 20.10 to 21.04 .. the link I provided shows how to add swap; as the swap created by installer is still small; you'll need to amend size anyway after a clean install | 11:44 |
| guiverc | see https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/D/upgrading.html on how to upgrade | 11:45 |
| dragon2 | I have done only the basic upgrades under preferances | 11:46 |
| dragon2 | thanks, I shall do that when I get home from the office | 11:46 |
| guiverc | bumping the release (a release-upgrade) is a far more serios upgrade... it'll bump 20.10 to 21.04 ... backup first of course; and the release-upgrade is not quick so allow time (ensure you have power connected) | 11:47 |
| dragon2 | I just need a backup copy of my documents file | 11:47 |
| guiverc | s/serios/serious ^ | 11:47 |
| dragon2 | it looks like I need to do it, and I wasn`t aware until now | 11:48 |
| dragon2 | lubuntu have done well here at the office | 11:48 |
| guiverc | 20.10 reaches the end of it's 9 months support next month, so yeah you need to rather soon | 11:48 |
| guiverc | https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/06/18/ubuntu-20-10-groovy-gorilla-reaches-end-of-life-on-july-22-2021/ | 11:49 |
| dragon2 | handles basic documents from either windows or mac, behaves well with printers, except a brother that doesn`t behave at all | 11:49 |
| dragon2 | I shall do it tonight | 11:49 |
| dragon2 | I didn`t know, I thought the various releases were supported for years | 11:50 |
| guiverc | LTS or long-term-support releases are 5 years for main Ubuntu, and 3 years for flavors, non-LTS like 20.10, 21.04, 21.10 are 9 months | 11:50 |
| guiverc | 9 months applies to flavors & main Ubuntu too | 11:51 |
| guiverc | Ubuntu (& flavors like Lubuntu) offer two paths; non-LTS with release-upgrades every 6-9 months required which provide always the latest software... or using LTS only & upgrades every 2-3 years but older software generally | 11:52 |
| guiverc | (generally meaning it's latest first ~6 months after release; then it's getting older & older for next 18 months..) | 11:53 |
| dragon2 | looks like no-lts have it`s advantages | 11:58 |
| dragon2 | I don`t mind upgrading, just as long as I am aware | 11:58 |
| dragon2 | ..and make it work | 11:58 |
| dragon2 | I should have done it back in april | 11:59 |
| dragon2 | I may have to sort that swap thing too | 12:00 |
| guiverc | I don't see it as a problem to delay a little (the upgrade is not offered on actual release; that's only for new installs... ) it's offered when deemed 'safe'; 20.10 to 21.04 was delayed longer than usual due some shim issues.. | 12:01 |
| dragon2 | I do have a month left, glad I talked to you | 12:04 |
| guiverc | my pleasure :) | 12:04 |
| guiverc | fyi: the shim issues were fixed; I'll provide a link if you want to know more (askubuntu answer I wrote awhile back) | 12:05 |
| guiverc | if you follow the links I use; both shim bugs are now 'fix release' :) | 12:06 |
| guiverc | https://askubuntu.com/questions/1338429/ubuntu-21-04-update-available-then-disappears (sorry forgot to paste link) | 12:07 |
| dragon2 | I had slight issues with the installer, I chose lubuntu to take the entire ssd, then it took it, the parition suggenstions haulted for some reason | 12:09 |
| dragon2 | I have taken a mac as my machine for work, but needed the linux features | 12:10 |
| dragon2 | pc I mean | 12:10 |
| dragon2 | I may just ingore the swap-hibernation feature | 12:11 |
| guiverc | i use a desktop, so am happy with sleep... I haven't used hibernate in years | 12:11 |
| dragon2 | lubuntu has relatively fast bootup | 12:15 |
| dragon2 | not sure what it would be after a distro upgrade | 12:15 |
| dragon2 | I have thought of debian too, but since lubuntu was setup as light running I just went for it | 12:16 |
| guiverc | you'd normally just expect newer software... 20.10 uses the 5.8 kernel, 21.04 uses 5.11; the kernel can impact some hardware; but most won't notice changes | 12:16 |
| dragon2 | I hope it will go easy. I don`t know about the mac fuzz on ubuntu support forum, macs are (hesitating a bit to say it out loud), similar to other pc hardware | 12:18 |
| * guiverc has little experience with mac hardware | 12:19 | |
| dragon2 | The macbook pro is silent running, and the distro runs equally well on my new HP | 12:19 |
| dragon2 | you probably don`t need to, you are advanced enough | 12:20 |
| dragon2 | you will take it in a stride | 12:20 |
| dragon2 | ...if you ever should have to handle linux on a macbook pro | 12:21 |
| guiverc | when we have problems with hardware we trust... it's always a 'hassle' & problem... common hardware usually means others have documented/experienced before you... that's the plus | 12:22 |
| dragon2 | true, but I think there are a few advanced users with linux on macbooks these days | 12:28 |
| dragon2 | ...I just have to find them lol | 12:28 |
| guiverc | I gather so too, I've seen reference to photos (pre covid) at conferences & mac books being somewhat common... | 12:29 |
| dragon2 | I just needed a spare workstation I could leave in a relatively open office, the old mac just needed a hd upgrade, it ran fine with macos, but I just needed something light, flexible and snappy, | 12:31 |
| dragon2 | ...with firefox and all the stuff you can`t find in appstore | 12:32 |
| dragon2 | that is why I went back to lubuntu, and it is suprisingly up to date and capabl e | 12:33 |
| * guiverc is signing off for the night... night & good luck on release-upgrade when you do it dragon2 | 12:34 | |
| dragon2 | good night | 12:34 |
| dragon2 | thanks | 12:34 |
| plujon | A google search for downloading lubuntu led to lubuntu.net, not lubuntu.me. Is lubuntu.net unofficial / historical / something else/ | 19:02 |
| plujon | ? | 19:02 |
| plujon | Also, I'm confused about end-of-life status for Lubuntu (and Ubuntu) LTS. | 19:07 |
| kc2bez | plujon: lubuntu.me is the only official page. You can verify that here: https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours | 19:16 |
| kc2bez | LTS releases for Lubuntu are supported for 3 years and LTS for the main Ubuntu is 5 years. | 19:17 |
| plujon | kc2bez: Thanks; it looks more official given that it has version 21. I wonder why lubuntu.net exists? Was that maintained by an ex-dev, perhaps? Did the lubuntu team split or something? | 19:17 |
| kc2bez | It isn't really maintained at all. It was created a long while ago by one of the co-founders but they haven't been a part of the Lubuntu team for quite some time. | 19:19 |
| plujon | Seems like the owner should transfer the domain... | 19:30 |
| plujon | Are LTS releases such as 18.04 and 20.04 supported for 3 or 5 years? | 19:32 |
| krytarik | plujon: For 3 years on flavors, main Ubuntu for 5 years. | 19:41 |
| plujon | krytarik: Hmm. Does lubuntu not use the same repositories as Ubuntu..? | 19:44 |
| plujon | I thought lubuntu was just ubuntu with certain packages installed (and the desktop configured a certain way). | 19:45 |
| kc2bez | plujon: The packages for the desktops (other than main Ubuntu) are in the Universe repositories, thus the 3 year support. Packages in main get 5 years. | 19:57 |
| plujon | kc2bez: Ah, thanks. | 19:58 |
| plujon | lubuntu brought in $660 last year? How does a project with a budget of $660 manage to have time to design apparel...?! | 20:00 |
| kc2bez | Teespring does the work. | 20:01 |
| plujon | Does lubuntu have any sponsors? Is Canonical? | 20:01 |
| kc2bez | Canonical supports all the flavors. They provide the infrastructure that builds all the packages and iso plus much more. | 20:02 |
| kc2bez | Altispeed provides Lubuntu some infrastructure things too. | 20:03 |
| plujon | Does anybody in the Lubuntu Community get paid for working on Lubuntu? | 20:04 |
| kc2bez | Nope, we are all volunteers. | 20:04 |
| plujon | I wonder how many hours it takes to maintain Lubuntu. I would imagine quite a bit. | 20:05 |
| kc2bez | Yeah, it does for sure. Especially when we add up everyone's time. | 20:07 |
| plujon | I don't know who is doing the LXQt work, but it is hard to imagine how a project that size can progress as a side project. | 20:10 |
| plujon | I've used lubuntu for years after I installed it on an old laptop and found that I liked the configurability of openbox. | 20:11 |
| kc2bez | While some of us help LXQt, it is a independent project with other developers. | 20:12 |
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