[04:00] <Kraft> hey yall
[04:39] <nurupo> hey?
[05:01] <Guest4264> Hello, I'm new to linux and saw that this thing had an IRC!!!
[11:21] <dragon2> Does lubuntu have swap space?
[11:21] <dragon2> I initially thought it did, it used to have
[11:21] <dragon2> I can`t make hibernation work on my portable 
[11:23] <guiverc> dragon2, you'
[11:24] <guiverc> sorry; you've not provided release details.. 21.04 for example asks if you want to enable swap for new installs; but not for replace.partition & some options 
[11:24] <guiverc> lubuntu 21.04 offers swapfile; if you want swap partition you need to manually add that (manual partitioning)
[11:25] <guiverc> dragon2, for an existing install (where swap wasn't added), you can look at https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/how-to-create-a-swapfile-in-lubuntu-20-04-20-10/1959 for how
[11:26] <guiverc> also note:   the default swap file is tiny; you've likely more ram than it creates so you'll likely need to create a larger swapfile
[11:32] <dragon2> Thanks
[11:32] <dragon2> I didn`t think of swap at all when I installed
[11:32] <dragon2> I think I have the latest lubuntu
[11:33] <guiverc> you should check... the latest is the 2021-April or 21.04 release.
[11:33] <dragon2> I do the upgrades, but I can`t remember if it was before or after april, but there abouts
[11:34] <guiverc> If you enter a command like `free -h` you'll get two lines; top is RAM, bottom isswap.  If you've no swap the second line is likely 0's only
[11:36] <guiverc> for hibernate to work; you need to have more swap than RAM (and still have room for whatever swap is used before you attempt the hibernate)
[11:36] <dragon2> 8 GBRAM, 16GB swab?
[11:37] <dragon2> I have not upped the ram on this computer, just new ssd 
[11:37] <guiverc> the amount of swap needed varies on how you use your system, what apps you run etc.. `free -h` can provide clues
[11:38] <dragon2> I can`t find the lubuntu release info
[11:39] <guiverc> lubuntu comes with `neofetch` so it can be run from a terminal
[11:39] <dragon2> 0 swap
[11:39] <guiverc> (along with `lsb_relase -a` & other commands)
[11:39] <dragon2> I may have done something wrong on the install
[11:40] <guiverc> likely you did NOT do anything wrong.. the swap option didn't exist on prior releases (sorry i forget when it was offered) but is still not offered for all install types, only 'erase disk & install' from memory
[11:41] <guiverc> to add swap; refer to link I provided earlier on lubuntu's discourse
[11:41] <dragon2> lsb not found
[11:42] <guiverc> lsb_release -- note the "_" is not a space
[11:43] <dragon2> oh, ubuntu 20.10
[11:43] <dragon2> I may burn a 21.04
[11:43] <dragon2> I need a clean install not part of the upgrade
[11:44] <guiverc> you can upgrade from 20.10 to 21.04 .. the link I provided shows how to add swap; as the swap created by installer is still small; you'll need to amend size anyway after a clean install
[11:45] <guiverc> see https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/D/upgrading.html  on how to upgrade
[11:46] <dragon2> I have done only the basic upgrades under preferances
[11:46] <dragon2> thanks, I shall do that when I get home from the office
[11:47] <guiverc> bumping the release (a release-upgrade) is a far more serios upgrade... it'll bump 20.10 to 21.04 ... backup first of course; and the release-upgrade is not quick so allow time (ensure you have power connected)
[11:47] <dragon2> I just need a backup copy of my documents file 
[11:47] <guiverc> s/serios/serious ^
[11:48] <dragon2> it looks like I need to do it, and I wasn`t aware until now
[11:48] <dragon2> lubuntu have done well here at the office
[11:48] <guiverc> 20.10 reaches the end of it's 9 months support next month, so yeah you need to rather soon
[11:49] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/06/18/ubuntu-20-10-groovy-gorilla-reaches-end-of-life-on-july-22-2021/
[11:49] <dragon2> handles basic documents from either windows or mac, behaves well with printers, except a brother that doesn`t behave at all 
[11:49] <dragon2> I shall do it tonight
[11:50] <dragon2> I didn`t know, I thought the various releases were supported for years
[11:50] <guiverc> LTS or long-term-support releases are 5 years for main Ubuntu, and 3 years for flavors, non-LTS like 20.10, 21.04, 21.10 are 9 months 
[11:51] <guiverc> 9 months applies to flavors & main Ubuntu too
[11:52] <guiverc> Ubuntu (& flavors like Lubuntu) offer two paths; non-LTS with release-upgrades every 6-9 months required which provide always the latest software... or using LTS only & upgrades every 2-3 years but older software generally
[11:53] <guiverc> (generally meaning it's latest first ~6 months after release; then it's getting older & older for next 18 months..)
[11:58] <dragon2> looks like no-lts have it`s advantages
[11:58] <dragon2> I don`t mind upgrading, just as long as I am aware
[11:58] <dragon2> ..and make it work
[11:59] <dragon2> I should have done it back in april
[12:00] <dragon2> I may have to sort that swap thing too
[12:01] <guiverc> I don't see it as a problem to delay a little (the upgrade is not offered on actual release; that's only for new installs... )  it's offered when deemed 'safe'; 20.10 to 21.04 was delayed longer than usual due some shim issues..
[12:04] <dragon2> I do have a month left, glad I talked to you
[12:04] <guiverc> my pleasure :)
[12:05] <guiverc> fyi:  the shim issues were fixed; I'll provide a link if you want to know more (askubuntu answer I wrote awhile back)
[12:06] <guiverc> if you follow the links I use; both shim bugs are now 'fix release' :)
[12:07] <guiverc> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1338429/ubuntu-21-04-update-available-then-disappears  (sorry forgot to paste link)
[12:09] <dragon2> I had slight issues with the installer, I chose lubuntu to take the entire ssd, then it took it, the parition suggenstions haulted for some reason
[12:10] <dragon2> I have taken a mac as my machine for work, but needed the linux features
[12:10] <dragon2> pc I mean
[12:11] <dragon2> I may just ingore the swap-hibernation feature
[12:11] <guiverc> i use a desktop, so am happy with sleep... I haven't used hibernate in years
[12:15] <dragon2> lubuntu has relatively fast bootup
[12:15] <dragon2> not sure what it would be after a distro upgrade
[12:16] <dragon2> I have thought of debian too, but since lubuntu was setup as light running I just went for it
[12:16] <guiverc> you'd normally just expect newer software...  20.10 uses the 5.8 kernel, 21.04 uses 5.11; the kernel can impact some hardware; but most won't notice changes
[12:18] <dragon2> I hope it will go easy. I don`t know about the mac fuzz on ubuntu support forum, macs are (hesitating a bit to say it out loud), similar to other pc hardware
[12:19]  * guiverc has little experience with mac hardware 
[12:19] <dragon2> The macbook pro is silent running, and the distro runs equally well on my new HP
[12:20] <dragon2> you probably don`t need to, you are advanced enough
[12:20] <dragon2> you will take it in a stride 
[12:21] <dragon2> ...if you ever should have to handle linux on a macbook pro
[12:22] <guiverc> when we have problems with hardware we trust... it's always a 'hassle' & problem... common hardware usually means others have documented/experienced before you... that's the plus
[12:28] <dragon2> true, but I think there are a few advanced users with linux on macbooks these days
[12:28] <dragon2> ...I just have to find them lol
[12:29] <guiverc> I gather so too, I've seen reference to photos (pre covid) at conferences & mac books being somewhat common...
[12:31] <dragon2> I just needed a spare workstation I could leave in a relatively open office, the old mac just needed a hd upgrade, it ran fine with macos, but I just needed something light, flexible and snappy, 
[12:32] <dragon2> ...with firefox and all the stuff you can`t find in appstore 
[12:33] <dragon2> that is why I went back to lubuntu, and it is suprisingly up to date and capabl e
[12:34]  * guiverc is signing off for the night... night & good luck on release-upgrade when you do it dragon2 
[12:34] <dragon2> good night
[12:34] <dragon2> thanks 
[19:02] <plujon> A google search for downloading lubuntu led to lubuntu.net, not lubuntu.me.  Is lubuntu.net unofficial / historical / something else/
[19:02] <plujon> ?
[19:07] <plujon> Also, I'm confused about end-of-life status for Lubuntu (and Ubuntu) LTS.
[19:16] <kc2bez> plujon: lubuntu.me is the only official page. You can verify that here: https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours
[19:17] <kc2bez> LTS releases for Lubuntu are supported for 3 years and LTS for the main Ubuntu is 5 years.
[19:17] <plujon> kc2bez: Thanks; it looks more official given that it has version 21.  I wonder why lubuntu.net exists?  Was that maintained by an ex-dev, perhaps?  Did the lubuntu team split or something?
[19:19] <kc2bez> It isn't really maintained at all. It was created a long while ago by one of the co-founders but they haven't been a part of the Lubuntu team for quite some time.
[19:30] <plujon> Seems like the owner should transfer the domain...
[19:32] <plujon> Are LTS releases such as 18.04 and 20.04 supported for 3 or 5 years?
[19:41] <krytarik> plujon: For 3 years on flavors, main Ubuntu for 5 years.
[19:44] <plujon> krytarik: Hmm.  Does lubuntu not use the same repositories as Ubuntu..?
[19:45] <plujon> I thought lubuntu was just ubuntu with certain packages installed (and the desktop configured a certain way).
[19:57] <kc2bez> plujon: The packages for the desktops (other than main Ubuntu) are in the Universe repositories, thus the 3 year support. Packages in main get 5 years.
[19:58] <plujon> kc2bez: Ah, thanks.
[20:00] <plujon> lubuntu brought in $660 last year?  How does a project with a budget of $660 manage to have time to design apparel...?!
[20:01] <kc2bez> Teespring does the work.
[20:01] <plujon> Does lubuntu have any sponsors?  Is Canonical?
[20:02] <kc2bez> Canonical supports all the flavors. They provide the infrastructure that builds all the packages and iso plus much more.
[20:03] <kc2bez> Altispeed provides Lubuntu some infrastructure things too.
[20:04] <plujon> Does anybody in the Lubuntu Community get paid for working on Lubuntu?
[20:04] <kc2bez> Nope, we are all volunteers.
[20:05] <plujon> I wonder how many hours it takes to maintain Lubuntu.  I would imagine quite a bit.
[20:07] <kc2bez> Yeah, it does for sure. Especially when we add up everyone's time.
[20:10] <plujon> I don't know who is doing the LXQt work, but it is hard to imagine how a project that size can progress as a side project.
[20:11] <plujon> I've used lubuntu for years after I installed it on an old laptop and found that I liked the configurability of openbox.
[20:12] <kc2bez> While some of us help LXQt, it is a independent project with other developers.