=== jacobr is now known as Kraft [04:00] hey yall [04:39] hey? [05:01] Hello, I'm new to linux and saw that this thing had an IRC!!! === Guest4264 is now known as lubuntu === lubuntu is now known as Guest2538 [11:21] Does lubuntu have swap space? [11:21] I initially thought it did, it used to have [11:21] I can`t make hibernation work on my portable [11:23] dragon2, you' [11:24] sorry; you've not provided release details.. 21.04 for example asks if you want to enable swap for new installs; but not for replace.partition & some options [11:24] lubuntu 21.04 offers swapfile; if you want swap partition you need to manually add that (manual partitioning) [11:25] dragon2, for an existing install (where swap wasn't added), you can look at https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/how-to-create-a-swapfile-in-lubuntu-20-04-20-10/1959 for how [11:26] also note: the default swap file is tiny; you've likely more ram than it creates so you'll likely need to create a larger swapfile [11:32] Thanks [11:32] I didn`t think of swap at all when I installed [11:32] I think I have the latest lubuntu [11:33] you should check... the latest is the 2021-April or 21.04 release. [11:33] I do the upgrades, but I can`t remember if it was before or after april, but there abouts [11:34] If you enter a command like `free -h` you'll get two lines; top is RAM, bottom isswap. If you've no swap the second line is likely 0's only [11:36] for hibernate to work; you need to have more swap than RAM (and still have room for whatever swap is used before you attempt the hibernate) [11:36] 8 GBRAM, 16GB swab? [11:37] I have not upped the ram on this computer, just new ssd [11:37] the amount of swap needed varies on how you use your system, what apps you run etc.. `free -h` can provide clues [11:38] I can`t find the lubuntu release info [11:39] lubuntu comes with `neofetch` so it can be run from a terminal [11:39] 0 swap [11:39] (along with `lsb_relase -a` & other commands) [11:39] I may have done something wrong on the install [11:40] likely you did NOT do anything wrong.. the swap option didn't exist on prior releases (sorry i forget when it was offered) but is still not offered for all install types, only 'erase disk & install' from memory [11:41] to add swap; refer to link I provided earlier on lubuntu's discourse [11:41] lsb not found [11:42] lsb_release -- note the "_" is not a space [11:43] oh, ubuntu 20.10 [11:43] I may burn a 21.04 [11:43] I need a clean install not part of the upgrade [11:44] you can upgrade from 20.10 to 21.04 .. the link I provided shows how to add swap; as the swap created by installer is still small; you'll need to amend size anyway after a clean install [11:45] see https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/D/upgrading.html on how to upgrade [11:46] I have done only the basic upgrades under preferances [11:46] thanks, I shall do that when I get home from the office [11:47] bumping the release (a release-upgrade) is a far more serios upgrade... it'll bump 20.10 to 21.04 ... backup first of course; and the release-upgrade is not quick so allow time (ensure you have power connected) [11:47] I just need a backup copy of my documents file [11:47] s/serios/serious ^ [11:48] it looks like I need to do it, and I wasn`t aware until now [11:48] lubuntu have done well here at the office [11:48] 20.10 reaches the end of it's 9 months support next month, so yeah you need to rather soon [11:49] https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/06/18/ubuntu-20-10-groovy-gorilla-reaches-end-of-life-on-july-22-2021/ [11:49] handles basic documents from either windows or mac, behaves well with printers, except a brother that doesn`t behave at all [11:49] I shall do it tonight [11:50] I didn`t know, I thought the various releases were supported for years [11:50] LTS or long-term-support releases are 5 years for main Ubuntu, and 3 years for flavors, non-LTS like 20.10, 21.04, 21.10 are 9 months [11:51] 9 months applies to flavors & main Ubuntu too [11:52] Ubuntu (& flavors like Lubuntu) offer two paths; non-LTS with release-upgrades every 6-9 months required which provide always the latest software... or using LTS only & upgrades every 2-3 years but older software generally [11:53] (generally meaning it's latest first ~6 months after release; then it's getting older & older for next 18 months..) [11:58] looks like no-lts have it`s advantages [11:58] I don`t mind upgrading, just as long as I am aware [11:58] ..and make it work [11:59] I should have done it back in april [12:00] I may have to sort that swap thing too [12:01] I don't see it as a problem to delay a little (the upgrade is not offered on actual release; that's only for new installs... ) it's offered when deemed 'safe'; 20.10 to 21.04 was delayed longer than usual due some shim issues.. [12:04] I do have a month left, glad I talked to you [12:04] my pleasure :) [12:05] fyi: the shim issues were fixed; I'll provide a link if you want to know more (askubuntu answer I wrote awhile back) [12:06] if you follow the links I use; both shim bugs are now 'fix release' :) [12:07] https://askubuntu.com/questions/1338429/ubuntu-21-04-update-available-then-disappears (sorry forgot to paste link) [12:09] I had slight issues with the installer, I chose lubuntu to take the entire ssd, then it took it, the parition suggenstions haulted for some reason [12:10] I have taken a mac as my machine for work, but needed the linux features [12:10] pc I mean [12:11] I may just ingore the swap-hibernation feature [12:11] i use a desktop, so am happy with sleep... I haven't used hibernate in years [12:15] lubuntu has relatively fast bootup [12:15] not sure what it would be after a distro upgrade [12:16] I have thought of debian too, but since lubuntu was setup as light running I just went for it [12:16] you'd normally just expect newer software... 20.10 uses the 5.8 kernel, 21.04 uses 5.11; the kernel can impact some hardware; but most won't notice changes [12:18] I hope it will go easy. I don`t know about the mac fuzz on ubuntu support forum, macs are (hesitating a bit to say it out loud), similar to other pc hardware [12:19] * guiverc has little experience with mac hardware [12:19] The macbook pro is silent running, and the distro runs equally well on my new HP [12:20] you probably don`t need to, you are advanced enough [12:20] you will take it in a stride [12:21] ...if you ever should have to handle linux on a macbook pro [12:22] when we have problems with hardware we trust... it's always a 'hassle' & problem... common hardware usually means others have documented/experienced before you... that's the plus [12:28] true, but I think there are a few advanced users with linux on macbooks these days [12:28] ...I just have to find them lol [12:29] I gather so too, I've seen reference to photos (pre covid) at conferences & mac books being somewhat common... [12:31] I just needed a spare workstation I could leave in a relatively open office, the old mac just needed a hd upgrade, it ran fine with macos, but I just needed something light, flexible and snappy, [12:32] ...with firefox and all the stuff you can`t find in appstore [12:33] that is why I went back to lubuntu, and it is suprisingly up to date and capabl e [12:34] * guiverc is signing off for the night... night & good luck on release-upgrade when you do it dragon2 [12:34] good night [12:34] thanks [19:02] A google search for downloading lubuntu led to lubuntu.net, not lubuntu.me. Is lubuntu.net unofficial / historical / something else/ [19:02] ? [19:07] Also, I'm confused about end-of-life status for Lubuntu (and Ubuntu) LTS. [19:16] plujon: lubuntu.me is the only official page. You can verify that here: https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours [19:17] LTS releases for Lubuntu are supported for 3 years and LTS for the main Ubuntu is 5 years. [19:17] kc2bez: Thanks; it looks more official given that it has version 21. I wonder why lubuntu.net exists? Was that maintained by an ex-dev, perhaps? Did the lubuntu team split or something? [19:19] It isn't really maintained at all. It was created a long while ago by one of the co-founders but they haven't been a part of the Lubuntu team for quite some time. [19:30] Seems like the owner should transfer the domain... [19:32] Are LTS releases such as 18.04 and 20.04 supported for 3 or 5 years? [19:41] plujon: For 3 years on flavors, main Ubuntu for 5 years. [19:44] krytarik: Hmm. Does lubuntu not use the same repositories as Ubuntu..? [19:45] I thought lubuntu was just ubuntu with certain packages installed (and the desktop configured a certain way). [19:57] plujon: The packages for the desktops (other than main Ubuntu) are in the Universe repositories, thus the 3 year support. Packages in main get 5 years. [19:58] kc2bez: Ah, thanks. [20:00] lubuntu brought in $660 last year? How does a project with a budget of $660 manage to have time to design apparel...?! [20:01] Teespring does the work. [20:01] Does lubuntu have any sponsors? Is Canonical? [20:02] Canonical supports all the flavors. They provide the infrastructure that builds all the packages and iso plus much more. [20:03] Altispeed provides Lubuntu some infrastructure things too. [20:04] Does anybody in the Lubuntu Community get paid for working on Lubuntu? [20:04] Nope, we are all volunteers. [20:05] I wonder how many hours it takes to maintain Lubuntu. I would imagine quite a bit. [20:07] Yeah, it does for sure. Especially when we add up everyone's time. [20:10] I don't know who is doing the LXQt work, but it is hard to imagine how a project that size can progress as a side project. [20:11] I've used lubuntu for years after I installed it on an old laptop and found that I liked the configurability of openbox. [20:12] While some of us help LXQt, it is a independent project with other developers. === tony is now known as Guest636