[12:01] <penguin42> daftykins: Thanks; just about to start rescuing my machine; just got my home dir back using a M.2 adapter
[12:02] <daftykins> ah ha :D exciting
[12:49] <penguin42> hmm, that's not supposed to happen
[12:49] <daftykins> uh oh
[12:49] <penguin42> I removed the cpu heatsink and teh CPU came with it - not having opened the socket
[12:50] <daftykins> ah i've seen that from time to time, super suction paste xD shouldn't be a problem
[12:50] <penguin42> nod
[12:51] <daftykins> when i put my pal in Exeter's Ryzen together, it felt like such a novelty to be using something PGA again
[12:51] <diddledan> unless you've ripped the pins off - if the CPU has the pins instead of the socket
[12:54] <daftykins> imagine dropping a large 'sink into an LGA socket and folding some over, oy
[12:55] <diddledan> LGA pins are sooo delicate
[12:58] <daftykins> i'm seeing TPM addon modules selling like hotcakes since the win11 news, hah
[13:01] <penguin42> daftykins: Yeh in a way it's less worrying than BGA, you're never quite sure if they make contact
[13:01] <penguin42> daftykins: Is Win11 requiring TPM?
[13:01] <daftykins> yeah, minimum v1.2, recommended v2.0
[13:01] <diddledan> 1.2 isn't officially supported
[13:02] <daftykins> but given the officially supported CPUs list which is basically AMD Ryzen 2xxx and up, plus intel 8th gen and up, it wouldn't be worth adding it to an existing system methinks
[13:02] <penguin42> daftykins: OK, that CPU isn't helping (failure mode is *slightly* different - my CPU it lights the fault LEDs and powers off after ~10s,  the Exeter CPU just sits there with the lights on
[13:02] <penguin42> interesting; that'll make it fun for VMs
[13:02] <daftykins> hmm, is that reduced to minimum hardware, single memory module and the CMOS reset?
[13:03] <penguin42> daftykins: Yep
[13:03] <daftykins> time to repeat the same with the test board you picked up cheap, perhaps?
[13:07] <penguin42> nod
[13:36] <daftykins> hmm i think my uncle's home switches are failing, he's reported some quirks but is too time-poor to diagnose them effectively
[14:03] <penguin42> daftykins: Well, the Essex cpu works in the board I bought
[14:04] <penguin42> daftykins: I've not managed to get my CPU to work in yet though
[14:04] <daftykins> \o/ is that with your newly purchased test RAM too?
[14:04] <daftykins> could that be a firmware update thing, if it isn't a model of board new enough to support the 3xxx immediately?
[14:07] <penguin42> daftykins: Yep, with my test RAM, I was about to go hunting firmware
[14:08] <daftykins> :D
[14:10] <penguin42> hmm this board might not support a 3950 taking that much power
[14:11] <daftykins> is the EPS connector a limited pin count on that one too, or does it still have at least one 4+4?
[14:11] <penguin42> it has one 4
[14:12] <daftykins> mmm that'd make me nervous
[14:12] <penguin42> still, the fact that the Essex CPU didn't work in my board, but does wor in the other board points me to the MB
[14:14] <daftykins> yep, a valuable determination
[14:14] <penguin42> looks like the bios is quite old
[14:14] <daftykins> what make and model board was the original, out of interest?
[14:16] <penguin42> ASRock X570 Pro 4
[14:17] <daftykins> what are the warranty chances?
[14:17] <penguin42> dunno; it's less than a year; but would I go via Scan or via ASRock ?
[14:18] <daftykins> i'd definitely ask Scan to start
[14:18] <penguin42> nod, if it wasn't for the apocalypse I'd go up there
[14:18] <daftykins> i don't think i've ever had to pursue a motherboard warranty, thinking about it!
[14:32] <penguin42> hmm, looks like actually this is the latest bios for this a320m-hdv r4.0
[14:33] <penguin42> oh, and that *does* list the 3950x in the r4.0 page
[14:44] <daftykins> ball: wb \o how goes?
[14:44] <penguin42> ooooho
[14:44] <penguin42> daftykins: New board has just come up with my CPU i it
[14:44] <daftykins> :D
[14:45] <ball> daftykins: Sort of ok.
[14:45] <ball> daftykins: Thinking of moving some more things to Linux.  Might look for something other than Ubuntu though.
[14:46] <daftykins> oh, to what end?
[14:47] <ball> Mostly I think because I'm old and cranky.
[14:49] <ball> Does Ubuntu come with an audio mixer?  I deliberately choose "minimal" installation and that seems to be missing.
[14:49] <ball> Without knowing the name of the default mixer, I'm not sure what to install.
[14:50] <daftykins> if you don't install from a desktop spin's media in a complete way to begin with, it can be easy to miss out on full DE components that give you a kind of complete package out of the box
[14:51] <daftykins> i always used to take the assumed minimalist approach of trying to reduce what you install to begin with, but i think these days it can more harm than help
[14:52] <ball> Does it record somewhere the date installation took place?
[14:52] <daftykins> not sure on that one
[14:52] <penguin42> daftykins: There's normally a 'group' or alias to install the entire desktop; e.g. yum group install 'XFCE Desktop' and I think there's an equivalent apt package
[14:53] <ball> I did get the desktop
[14:53] <daftykins> yeah, or i once heard adding a ^ after the metapackage name
[14:53] <ball> Simple dock on the left, toolbar thing at the top.
[14:54] <ball> Network worked, Gnome Boxes (slowly) and I was able to add most of the applications I was looking for.
[14:56] <daftykins> i've started to get on with Kubuntu the most, i don't typically use desktop Linux though
[14:57] <ball> Me neither but it wouldn't hurt me to become familiar with it and my usual desktop physically failed.
[14:57] <ball> ...and my usual OS has some unfortunate issues.
[14:57] <ball> I should be able to run that in a VM for the things I'd still use it for.
[14:58] <ball> (albeit slowly)
[14:58] <ball> It's a sad day when I have to switch desktop OS though.
[14:59] <daftykins> a pal of mine seems to be clinging to 16.04 still since he relies on a lot of sciencey tools that are either hand-compiled or dependant on old things, heh
[14:59] <daftykins> i think he clings to gnome flashback as well
[14:59] <ball> Right now I feel like I *am* old things.
[15:02] <daftykins> i've definitely begun to feel less interested in the constant pace of change now i'm in my 30s
[15:02]  * penguin42 giggles says he edging the end of his 40s
[15:03] <zxm-pi> wait till you go out in a few years and get a 486dx as your main system out of protest :-D
[15:03] <daftykins> lol
[15:03] <ball> DX-50 ftw
[15:03] <zxm-pi> offering all attachments in word perfect 5.1 format :-)
[15:03] <ball> Seriously though, I'm not a luddite.  I enjoy the elbow room of a 64-bit environment.
[15:04] <ball> (got used to that on Alpha)
[15:04] <ball> ...just frustrated when important things don't work.
[15:04] <zxm-pi> as do i. but sometimes it's nice using a very small system as you know nothing else other than the tasks you started are running
[15:04] <ball> ...or when installers second-guess the values I provide.
[15:05] <ball> zxm-pi: Yes, that's usually my preference.
[15:05] <zxm-pi> that's what my psion 3mx does. no internet. no online. just a simple system doing a few simple tasks
[15:06] <daftykins> i still haven't lifted a finger about shipping my 3c off to RMC
[15:07] <daftykins> since i dug it out i kinda want to have a last play before i send it on 
[15:09] <ball> I always wanted a Psion 3 but never got around to it.
[15:09] <ball> (That or a Cambridge Z88)
[15:10] <daftykins> penguin42: does your 3950x seem stable in the new board, or are you a bit iffy about loading it if the power spec is weak?
[15:10]  * zxm-pi loves my psion. have started moving just bits and bobs onboard. i haven't even set up a serial link. happy to leave that to later
[15:10] <ball> I had a Psion II briefly but it got stolen and I never had the heart to replace it.
[15:11] <zxm-pi> still a few around doing stocktaking work. the nokia of stocktaking
[15:11]  * ball nods
[15:12] <daftykins> still intrigued by these little tiny updating displays at one supermarket i visit, if they each have a button cell battery, that's pretty horrifying waste
[15:13] <ball> daftykins: epaper shelf tags?
[15:13] <daftykins> i figure they might be using eink displays yeah, just flick between item name and price in sync with one another
[15:14] <ball> Depending on the retailer, those may also be BtLE beacons, used to track users around the store.
[15:14] <daftykins> i couldn't claim to know the full story of the challenges of supermarket stock management, given as my full experience consists of a brief stint shelf stacking in my early teens... but i can't help but feel these are a gimmick
[15:14] <ball> ...all data mined and sold to third parties.
[15:15] <daftykins> possible, although this chain is an island only thing 
[15:15] <ball> Ah, might just be a display then.
[15:16] <ball> Nice thing about eInk is that it only draws current when changing.
[15:16] <ball> You're right about the waste though.
[15:16] <ball> It all adds up.
[15:17] <zxm-pi> how many years would it have to display items till it's better for environment than a paper sign?
[15:17] <daftykins> mmm indeed
[15:18] <daftykins> how few reprints does it afford, etc
[15:18] <ball> zxm-pi: Longer than the store would last.
[15:18] <MattJ> I once picked up my Psion II too aggressively, and it slid out of the plastic sleeve and bounced/slid several yards across concrete. Totally unharmed of course.
[15:19] <daftykins> :D
[15:22] <ball> They don't build 'em like that any more.
[15:27] <penguin42> hmm, then not happy again
[15:30] <daftykins> ruh roh
[15:31]  * ball is so sad.
[15:32] <daftykins> in fairness my Psion has snapped hinges and the rubbery casing is a sticky mess, soooo... i hope they don't build 'em like that :D
[15:33] <ball> daftykins: Perhaps it's just as well I didn't get the 3 then ;-)
[15:33] <daftykins> hehe
[15:33] <ball> Ugh.  I might have to break out the old KVM switch
[15:35] <ball> I'll be back later.
[15:40] <penguin42> daftykins: This is confusing, I've had a full boot with the Essex cpu on the new board; and I've had nothing out of the old board with either CPU
[15:40] <penguin42> daftykins: However, my CPU in the new board; hmm   I've had it up a few times
[15:42] <daftykins> penguin42: i feel like it will remain a gamble that one, as if the original has gone flaky due to a PSU thing that wasn't serious enough to stop it driving less hungry parts, even with a new board + CPU in hand, trouble could persist :(
[15:50] <penguin42> daftykins: Yes, always the fun problems
[15:51] <daftykins> well, you wouldn't want it to be easy, would you! ;)
[15:51] <penguin42> on my main desktop, well.....
[15:52] <daftykins> hehe, when mines PSU started flopping around i was pretty irritated too
[15:52] <daftykins> it was incredible, i was discussing how stress testing is a sane troubleshooting strategy... to someone here on IRC who to this day does not believe that it's safe...
[15:52] <daftykins> when i suddenly discovered my own desktop wasn't stable under load
[15:53] <daftykins> amusingly my motherboard had had this graphics card warning LED on for ages, but everything had been working fine
[15:54] <daftykins> after pushing it hard, it eventually began cutting out in the middle of idle use, so i ended up just ordering in a new
[15:54] <penguin42> well it's in a linux desktop, on my cpu on the new board
[15:54] <daftykins> as much as i'd love to have the time to learn how to diagnose SMPSs, i don't quite fancy learning with my live main system as the guinea pig :D
[15:54] <daftykins> oh yeah i'm just blabbing on about my own tale, i don't mean for any of this to have the remotest relevance to yours
[15:55] <daftykins> pretty funny to be "hey yeah test out your mum's PC problems with this... uh, hang on... my own system is busted"
[16:05] <penguin42> daftykins: OK, yeh this CPU isn't happy; just failed the same way I'd seen on the other board
[16:09] <daftykins> i wonder if my pal in Worcester could be of any help, i'd imagine Scan are your best option though
[16:11] <daftykins> assuming they'd be game to assist in testing parts
[16:16] <penguin42> time for a walk I think
[16:17] <penguin42> daftykins: I've not had that loaner CPU work on my board at all; so hmm - I might need to retry that
[16:17] <penguin42> daftykins: and my current failure is with my main PSU and RAM; so I could drop back to this big CPU + test RAM + other PSU
[16:20] <daftykins> just looking it up and it seems X570 might not support that one - i see i had the model wrong, it's an AMD Athlon 200GE yeah?
[16:21] <penguin42> yeh
[16:22] <penguin42> I guess it might be a bit below it's ideals being a 'pro'
[16:23] <daftykins> i chose an X470 for my friend's build because i didn't see a need for him to go PCIe 4.0, plus moving back to active chipset cooling struck me as a mistake... definitely booted fine there, but that's a generational divide mmm
[16:23] <penguin42> I chose that board because I wanted the 2 M.2 slots
[16:25] <daftykins> https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/PRIME/PRIME-X470-PRO/ - this is his
[16:25] <daftykins> also 2! 
[16:26] <penguin42> nice
[16:27] <penguin42> anyway, def time for a walk - think; swapping PSU around I think and maybe back to other CPU and.....
[16:28] <daftykins> hehe, enjoy!
[17:07] <daftykins> lol https://youtu.be/lUIc8CeS75Q
[20:13] <penguin42> daftykins: I'm fairly convinced it's the CPU
[20:14] <daftykins> worth running the idea of an RMA via Scan perhaps? maybe they'll say speak to AMD, but who knows!
[20:19] <penguin42> yep
[20:25] <daftykins> https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/warranty-information/pib - found that for 'processor in box' purchases
[20:27] <penguin42> thanks
[20:28] <daftykins> np!
[20:28] <penguin42> bummer isn't it - it's a very expensive fuse
[20:28] <daftykins> looks like AMD will test and return without much fuss, so that might be nice
[20:29] <daftykins> no idea if any fees would be charged, mind you
[20:31] <penguin42> nod, well it is warranty
[20:32] <daftykins> that's true
[20:33] <daftykins> heh my Exeter pal said he needs a child free holiday! an army of 3 must be quite a bit of work
[20:35] <penguin42> come to Bury and collect his CPU
[20:36] <daftykins> :D
[20:37] <daftykins> i should have never opened the packaging, had i read the motherboard box it had a sticker on "Ryzen 3 ready!" so i didn't need that one at all
[20:37] <daftykins> since i had flown over to do the build though, it was more important to be well prepared
[20:47] <penguin42> I've replied to a query I put in with scan on the results of the prodding, we'll see what they say
[20:49] <daftykins> \o/ fingers crossed for speedy responses
[20:58] <penguin42> daftykins: Is your mate ok if I hold onto it while I wait for their reply?
[20:59] <daftykins> penguin42: oh yeah it's totally useless to him, just been sat on a shelf :) take your time and just let me know whenever
[21:00] <penguin42> daftykins: Pass along a thank you!!
[21:01] <daftykins> will do :)
[21:41] <ball> I read that as Speccy responses.
[22:19] <daftykins> time for an early bed, g'night folks \o
[22:32] <penguin42> nn