[00:06] <goddard> gnome builder has project suggestions in it
[00:07] <goddard> how can i modify the gnome text editor?
[00:08] <goddard> it isn't listed in the suggested projects
[00:14] <sarnold> rfm: oh hah :) I hadn't considered NAT. nice.
[00:56] <svm_invictvs> Why is it when I do echo $SHELL it shows /bin/bash but if I put echo $SHELL inside a Makefile, it shows /bin/sh
[00:56] <svm_invictvs> ?
[00:58] <sarnold> svm_invictvs: because make uses /bin/sh to execute things -- you can override that in your Makefile by setting the SHELL variable
[00:58] <svm_invictvs> It doesn't honor your settings in /etc/passwd?
[01:01] <sarnold> it does not, Makefiles would not be portable if they used tcsh on one system, fish on another, and zsh on a third
[01:01] <sarnold> so it uses sh unless you tell it to use something different
[01:04] <j2bv16> Sudo apt update its giving:  https://linux.teamviewer.com/deb/dists/stable/InRelease  403  Forbidden [IP: 54.230.72.17 443]
[01:05] <sarnold> j2bv16: you'll have to contact whoever owns that archive
[01:06] <j2bv16> Looks like a recurring problem with teamviewer
[01:09] <mybalzitch> yep
[01:10] <oerheks> https://community.teamviewer.com/English/discussion/113687/repository-is-no-longer-regarded-as-secure-no-update-possible-fehl-31-https-linux-teamviewer-com
[01:10] <oerheks> dead jim
[01:13] <mybalzitch> I was done with teamviewer after they kept flagging my account as commerical because I left my VPN to home running while trying to fix something remotely on my dads laptop
[01:14] <oerheks> not an ubuntu support issue
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[02:14] <puff> I have a thinkpad t580, running ubuntu, I want to buy a thinkpad dock but I'm reading mixed things about linux support. Anyone have a thinkpad and a dock that worked well?
[02:33] <lotuspsychje> !hardware | puff
[02:33] <ubottu> puff: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
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[04:50] <Hanumaan>  How to mount encrypted home partition through fstab?
[05:03] <HaMsTeRs> is there anyway to debloat my ubuntu?
[05:04] <HaMsTeRs> is there anyway to debloat my ubuntu? those backgorund apps generated traffics freaks me out and made me feel very very uncomfortable.
[05:10] <toddc> HaMsTeRs: YES just remove any programs you do not want but as compared to most OS's ubuntu is very very quiet
[05:16] <toddc> HaMsTeRs: programs the automaticlly find printers is not needed how much do you want to remove? auto network detection ? Lubuntu and Xubuntu are lighter faster versions
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[07:33] <wisebro> hello. when i type # key on remmina, the 1 character becomes prefixed ,it is a bug. i am connecting to a windows server . basically it prints 1# 1@1$1%1& etc, the '1' getting prefixed
[07:35] <stultusv> join #zsh
[07:35] <stultusv> oops sorry
[07:36] <wisebro> any fix1?  -- here the '1' character got prefixed
[07:37] <toddc> wisebro: check with the remmina group at #remmina
[07:37] <wisebro> i am there, no reply so far
[07:38] <toddc> stick around someone will
[07:39] <wisebro> ok
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[07:59] <Ginalo> Hi. Does anyone know of a utility that types something else I configures when I press keys in the keyboard? I'm trying to find something like this for a movie clip.
[08:03] <ThinkT510> sounds sort of like an alias
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[08:51] <Plops> Hi, I'm trying to set up UFW on my VPS so that I can block everything except SSH and connections from my VPS IP
[08:51] <Plops> Would I add the VPS IP as localhost or the actual IP?
[08:52] <Plops> I want to be able to run a http server that only I can access while connected through OpenVPN (which is also running on the VPS)
[08:57] <sveinse> What are ppl using for fileshares across unix/ubuntus these days? I thought it was nfs, but I've struggled for hours getting nfs(4) to work with proper UID mapping to a FreeBSD nfs4 share, and I find very little info about how to setup/debug idmap.conf. Has nfs fallen out of favor?
[09:00]  * ogra uses sshfs for everything since a decade or so 
[09:01] <Unit193> sshfs is pretty amazing, rclone can be good for online services though.
[09:25] <mra90> is there a way to force dpkg to make the kernel I am installing now to be the default one?
[09:26] <mra90> Maybe some flag or sth?
[09:26] <mra90> every time I install new kernel with dpkg it puts it behind my current one so effectively after the reboot I am still using the old one
[09:26] <mra90> so in essence I want to always boot the one I installed recently
[09:29] <toddc> uefi or legacy? edit grub --normally grub will boot to the newest number or you can remove any newer kernel
[09:29] <EriC^^> mra90: what's in /etc/default/grub ?
[09:31] <mra90> EriC^^, https://termbin.com/pzv8
[09:32] <mra90> toddc, UEFI"? There is sth like uefi kernel?
[09:38] <toddc> no but the grub edit changes
[09:39] <Tytan> Hello everyone, I am running Ubuntu 20.04 LTS Server on amd64 and I have setup a SMB4 server and a IEEE 802.3ad LACP bond0 interface in netplan. Even though the bond works perfectly fine I don't see any additional bandwidth for the SMB users. If I do iperf3 in parallel though I see the benefit. What am I doing wrong with samba here?
[09:40] <EriC^^> mra90: edit /etc/default/grub and change GRUB_DEFAULT=saved to "0"
[09:40] <EriC^^> then sudo update-grub
[09:42] <mra90> EriC^^, will try, btw, update-grub or update-grub2?
[09:43] <toddc> if you added a or want to use a older kernel as I assumed boot to the kernel you want to use then run dpkg --list | egrep -i --color 'linux-image|linux-headers'
[09:44] <mra90> EriC^^, it works, thanks a lot
[09:44] <EriC^^> mra90: no problem
[09:55] <alterjsive2> lost connection
[09:56] <ThinkT510> alterjsive2: glad you found it again
[09:57] <alterjsive2> haha oops wrong window
[10:09] <BT643> This feels like a stupid question (sorry, still a relative Linux noob!), but which kernel is "default" in Ubuntu 20.04.2? I'm currently on 5.4.0-77-generic but stuff I'm seeing online says the default should be the 5.8 kernel? Worth noting that I got here via Ubuntu 18.04 originally.
[10:10] <Tytan> I am on 5.8 with Ubuntu 20.04 but as long everything works for you, don't worry too much about the kernel version
[10:11] <BT643> It's not working well which is why I noticed! haha. It was working fine for the past few months but recently I'm getting apps crashing a lot, and the system locks up occasionally (especially around "Suspend" mode)
[10:12] <Tytan> Oh so it is not a server I assume?
[10:12] <BT643> No, desktop :)
[10:13] <Tytan> Ah I am sorry. I have no experience there then. Have you tried looking at the logs to figure out what is causing the issue?
[10:13] <zamba> anyone found a way to open/run .desktop files from outside of the applications folder?
[10:14] <BT643> I'm considering a fresh install but want to avoid it ideally! Seems various different problems / errors but they're usually individual apps segfaulting. For example this morning all snap apps were segfaulting. I restarted my machine and it was all fine after that.
[10:14] <BT643> But because it's different software that crashes each time (non snap related too), it's tricky to pinpoint exactly what the cause is
[10:14] <Tytan> consider this "sudo apt install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-20.04
[10:14] <ThinkT510> !hwe
[10:14] <ubottu> The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[10:14] <Tytan> "
[10:17] <Tytan> BT643: I made a mistake! 5.4 is the correct kernel for 20.04!
[10:17] <ThinkT510> as is 5.8
[10:17] <Tytan> I am on HWE and not on the standard Kernel here rn but the other servers are running 5.4
[10:18] <BT643> Hmm, thanks. I'll have a read through the HWE stuff
[10:18] <Tytan> Please check journalctl to figure out what may cause your issues though
[10:29] <fredrik> Hello
[10:31] <fredrik> Hey i tried to install mysql on a system where a database service already was running the port, and now i have partially install mysql, what is the easiest way to remove the package?
[10:36] <sveinse> wow, mounting nfs4 share from a freebsd machine with rootfs files is hard! freebsd names gid 0 as "wheel" and nfs4 serves names not numbers. idmapd.conf on ubuntu seems to be unable to map group names only uid :(
[10:39] <sveinse> There is one hack thou: Rename gid 0 to "wheel" on the ubuntu
[10:58] <goddard> anyone else find it a little odd the top thing gedit roadmap is get it working better for windows? https://github.com/GNOME/gedit/blob/master/docs/roadmap.md
[10:59] <ogra> why ?
[10:59] <sixwheeledbeast> I think there is a market for it
[11:00] <sixwheeledbeast> I mean it's probably nicer that notepad++ or whatever they use on windows currently
[11:00] <ogra> its opensource ... why should windows users not use it
[11:00] <goddard> some of the stuff on here seems pretty simple
[11:02] <goddard> I especially want this feature
[11:02] <goddard> Be able to quit the application with all documents saved, and restored on next start
[11:03] <ogra> so send a PR to get it fixed asap 😉
[11:03] <goddard> i imagine i would do it in a hacky way
[11:04] <goddard> since i dont really use C at all in my normal work
[11:04] <ogra> well, only PR reviews from others will teach to to stop doing that
[11:04] <ogra> *teach you
[11:05] <goddard> true
[11:05]  * ogra is curious why gedit is on github though
[11:06] <ogra> ah, thats just a mirror of https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gedit
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[11:21] <sveinse> Will ubuntu break if I rename gid 0 to wheel? - Hmm. I suppose there are scripts that assume gid "root" is available
[11:38] <pycode> hello
[11:38] <pycode> is anyone using vokoscreen ?
[11:39] <pycode> i can record screen and microphone but i would also need the audio of the heandset
[11:39] <pycode> headset
[11:39] <pycode> is that possible somehow?
[11:40] <sveinse> Oh wonderful. Ubuntu has disabled static user mapping from upstream sources for some reason. That's why I'm struggeling to get it to work :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnfsidmap/+bug/1812280
[11:40] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1812280 in libnfsidmap (Ubuntu) "Static ID mapping not functional in NFS" [Undecided, New]
[11:44] <sveinse> It implies I cannot do a simple serve nfs4 from BSD to Ubuntu due to the group name mismatch. What next to try? kerberos might be unavoidable
[11:49] <rbasak> sveinse: I don't see anything in libnfsidmap being altered by packaging in a way that seems relevant. I don't know why that's not working for you, but I don't think it's anything actively done by packagers.
[11:51] <sveinse> rbasak: ok, yeah. I might be wrong that its altered by ubuntu packaging and rather done upstream. Pardon for that.
[11:52] <rbasak> sveinse: you might want to explore eg. https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnfsidmap/log/?h=applied/ubuntu/bionic
[11:58] <Walex_> sveinse: things are completely different between NFSv3 and MFSv4 as to user mapping. It is a complex subject.
[11:58] <Walex_> sveinse: the recent solution to these issues is to to user mapping in 'cgroups', but that IIRC was only merged in  5.12 or 5.14.
[11:59] <sveinse> rbasak: thanks
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[12:00] <sveinse> Walex_: yes it indeed is. And the server is BSD which which insists on nfsv4 outside my control, creating mapping issues to ubuntu :(
[12:00] <Walex_> sveinse: Ganesha NFS *might* help
[12:01] <Walex_> sveinse: two links follow that *might* help
[12:01] <Walex_> sveinse: https://serverfault.com/questions/812813/nfsv4-user-mapping/812829#comment1292945_812829
[12:01] <Walex_> sveinse: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/438939/how-to-get-nfsv4-idmap-working-with-sec-sys#comment1034090_464950
[12:01] <sveinse> Are there any other fs than nfs that can be used for root on linux?
[12:02] <Walex_> sveinse: network root is not a common requirement... Most people prefer dataless rather than rootless. SO I suspect if there is anything other than NFS it might be not well tested or supported.
[12:03] <Walex_> sveinse: technically, SMB/CIFS with POSIX extensions is totally POSIX-compliant and could be used.
[12:03] <Walex_> sveinse: note that your question is also slightly misplaced, because of 'initramfs'
[12:03] <sveinse> Walex_: yes, the root cause (pun intended) is that BSD insists on "wheel" as gid 0, so when nfs4 is used that is name based, confuses the ubuntu client
[12:04] <sveinse> As I said earlier, considering renaming gid 0 to "wheel" to remedy the problem. Then nsswitch resolves the group correctly and everything is fine
[12:04] <Walex_> sveinse: 'libnss_extrausers' might offer a workaround
[12:05] <sveinse> Walex_: thanks, let me check that
[12:05] <Walex_> sveinse: that allows to avoid modifying '/etc/group' itself
[12:06] <Walex_> sveinse: but please note the content of https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/438939/how-to-get-nfsv4-idmap-working-with-sec-sys#comment1034090_464950 for 'auth=sys'
[12:07] <Walex_> sveinse: which is a bit old, so things may have changed.
[12:12] <sveinse> When I think of it, nfs4 for rootfs might not be a good fit. One wants a file store which can preserve uid/gid as the client sees fit, NOT an elaborate username/group translation scheme between the client and the server. For this to work, everything in /etc/password on an ubuntu client must be mapped, which is a daunting task.
[12:13] <Walex_> sveinse: that is "ambitious" :-)
[12:14] <Walex_> sveinse: in any case because of 'initramfs' the real "root" can in theory be *any* filesystem type after 'pivot'.
[12:15] <sveinse> Walex_: yes, I see that now. Thanks for your help
[12:15] <Walex_> sveinse: sveinse: the builting support for NFS-as-root is a legacy from UNIX where there was no 'initramfs' and the system booted directly into the real 'root'...
[12:56] <B0g4r7> Why does the interactive console login treat usernames that begin with + or - differently than others?
[12:57] <B0g4r7> If I enter a username that begins with + or -, it just says "invalid login", and never prompts me to enter a password.
[12:57] <B0g4r7> I haven't found any other characters that do that.
[12:59] <B0g4r7> Lots of weirdness today.
[13:00] <B0g4r7> Just a minute ago while I was using tab completion in the shell it told me "*** stack smashing detected ***: terminated".
[13:01] <guiverc> B0g4r7, "+" is not a valid character for a username according to POSIX - refer https://serverfault.com/questions/73084/what-characters-should-i-use-or-not-use-in-usernames-on-linux & POSIX link of valid username characters for portability found therein
[13:01] <guiverc> note: hyphen or '-' is suggested to be avoided too
[13:03] <B0g4r7> Hmm, 'k, thx.
[13:19] <Pny> Hi, when setting up ubuntu 20.04 server, i got an 240gb ssd, and 2 tb hdd. during new install, shall i do / + /boot on ssd and /home on hdd, or just install normaly on ssd, then mount hhd to /home ?
[13:21] <sixwheeledbeast> Whatever you want
[13:22] <sixwheeledbeast> I suppose it depends on the application of the server and the data
[13:22] <DrJ> really depends on what data is going on the hdd
[13:23] <Pny> linke now, i have one box running with 1 ssd and 1 hdd, i need to spesicif the libery on hdd, if i dont then it start to "download" new to ssd.
[13:23] <sixwheeledbeast> Ier?
[13:24] <sixwheeledbeast> er
[13:25] <sixwheeledbeast> I mean as a server sometimes I would just default install on SSD and then mount HDD to /srv. It's down to what you want to achieve.
[13:28] <Pny> true that. :P
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:35] <sixwheeledbeast> it also depends on how FHS fussy you are. I have no issues in making a /data* per drive in / depending on the usage.
[13:36] <sixwheeledbeast> People argue it's not FHS, but FHS has limited scope, local files = local issues. ;)
[13:37] <rbasak> It's a pain to have to put files in particular places (or arrange bind mounts, symlinks etc) based on available space and performance characteristics though.
[13:38] <rbasak> bcache is a nice way to avoid having to do that
[13:38] <dan01> Is ZFS optimized for SSD?
[13:39] <webchat94> not sure if someone can help, I have a laptop at home with ubuntu running headless, and I'm currently away and noone is at home. I did an apt upgrade, and while doing update-initramfs the file system went into Read-only mode and I can't do anything, I can't even establish a new ssh connection or restart the OS (I have the original SSH connection
[13:39] <webchat94> open, but nothing works)
[13:45] <TJ-> webchat94: first things first - be very careful!
[13:45] <TJ-> webchat94: have you checked for any logged errors? "journalctl -b 0 -p warning --since="1 hour ago"
[13:46] <webchat94> TJ- here's the issue... almost nothing works. journalctl (as well as apt, mount etc) return "command not found"
[13:47] <webchat94> even "ls" is not working in my home user directory (ls: reading directory '.': Input/output error
[13:47] <webchat94> )
[13:47] <TJ-> webchat94: oh, so "echo $PATH"
[13:47] <TJ-> webchat94: does the PATH look sane?
[13:47] <webchat94> yeap, totally sane, even has a subdir I added a while ago
[13:48] <TJ-> we "Input/output error" suggests storage  hardware failure
[13:49] <webchat94> that's what I suspect. I just want to shut it down somehow, but not even shutdown works, and I thought I ask here
[13:49] <TJ-> webchat94: try "dmesg -Tx"
[13:49] <webchat94> command not found on this as well
[13:50] <webchat94> if I execute /bin/dmesg, I get "input/output error" again
[13:50] <TJ-> webchat94: that won't touch the file-system but will read the kernel's ring-buffer where the most recent logging is stored ...oh hmmm let's try calling it directly with /usr/bin/dmesg ...
[13:50] <TJ-> webchat94: OK, looks like a hardware fault
[13:51] <webchat94> so I guess I'll have to wait until I get back home or have someone go over my place to shut it down
[13:52] <TJ-> webchat94: are you already root? if so, you should be able to do that with "echo o > /proc/sysrq-trigger"
[13:52] <webchat94> no I'm not unfortunatelly, and sudo doesn't work as well
[13:52] <TJ-> "o" means shutoff (it's one of the magic sysreq key sequences)
[13:54] <TJ-> i can't think of a way, without UID 0 access, to trigger anything useful.
[13:54] <webchat94> ok, thank you very much for trying though :)
[13:55] <mra90> how to install iotools?
[14:03] <leftyfb> mra90: there looks to be multiple projects with the name "iotools". None of which are available in ubuntu via apt or snap. You'll need to seek support for it from the projects support options
[14:03] <mra90> leftyfb, yeah I found it I guess
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[14:46] <apteryx_> Hello!  Are .ddeb debug symbol archives valid .deb?
[14:46] <apteryx_> I.e., can I simply rename .ddeb packages to .deb packages so that I can process them the same with reprepro (which refuses to ingest .ddeb) ?
[14:47] <apteryx_> this discrepancy in the way debug symbol packages is handled between Debian and Ubuntu is annoying and unnecessary, it would seem.
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[14:54] <apteryx> seems like it's just a regular .deb
[14:55] <apteryx> I'll try to rename them before feeding them to reprepro
[15:23] <gom> hello
[15:24] <matsaman> I miss gom
[15:24] <pavlos> he left in less than a min
[15:31] <Mekaneck> please leave the offtopic nonesense out of the support channel matsaman. We'd appreciate it a lot. ;)
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[15:37] <goddard> does the ubuntu iso still have memtest?
[15:37] <toddc> goddard: yes
[15:37] <goddard> ok cool
[15:45] <Guest26> It seems I'm stuck as a guest :(  Anyway, when a bug is reported and it says it is for linux-signed-hwe-5.8, should I report it again after the kernel was updated to 5.11?
[15:50] <leftyfb> Guest26: only if you are seeing the same issue with the later version
[16:00] <Guest26> I tried using ubuntu-bug linux but it redirected to the signed-hwe. The bug in question is bug 1925263, it's a problem with an USB Wi-Fi adapter. It should correctly point to both kernel versions now
[16:00] <ubottu> Bug 1925263 in linux-signed-hwe-5.8 (Ubuntu) "TL-WN821N V5 does not work" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1925263
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[16:32] <ice9> every boot some services crash with this message "crashed with SIGABRT in epoll_wait()"; how to investigate and what could be the issue?
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[16:37] <francis> ice9: have you narrowed down which services? journalctl --boot may help you there if not
[16:40] <ice9> francis, nothing bad in that log
[16:40] <francis> ice9: hmm,
[16:40] <francis> oops. can you remember when it happened last, what is ether systemd-logind or another systemd-foo service?
[16:40] <francis> was it, even
[16:41] <ice9> francis, systemd_systemd-logind, systemd_systemd-resolved,systemd_systemd-timesyncd
[16:44] <francis> aha. thought it sounded familiar
[16:44] <francis> is this on baremetal hardware or a virtual machine?
[16:52] <ice9> francis, baremetal
[16:57] <francis> ice9: how often does this happen? it could be related to system'd watchdog but something else going awry in systemd's innards
[16:58] <ice9> francis, it's happening almost every boot
[16:58] <francis> one thing I'd do next time it happens is: journalctl --boot |grep 'kernel:.*blocked for more than'
[16:58] <francis> if that gets a hit it might point to the watchdog
[16:58] <francis> ahh. that should make tracking it down a bit easier at least :)
[16:58] <francis> does that journalctl |grep line yeild anything now?
[16:59] <ice9> francis, that grep return nothing
[17:03] <plujon> I've used Lubuntu for a long time, but I'm trying out Ubuntu's default desktop today.  I'm trying to tweak a few things.
[17:03] <plujon> First, how do I disable the beep/alert sound?
[17:04] <Mekaneck> plujon: what beep/alert sound?
[17:04] <plujon> In a terminal, if I hit zzz<tab><tab>, I hear <beep><beep>
[17:05] <plujon> In emacs, if I hit C-g C-g, I hear <beep><beep>
[17:05] <Mekaneck> don't know, maybe there's something to be found on google
[17:06] <plujon> In Settings > Sound, I can supposedly change the alert sound to | Default | Bark | Drip | Glass | Sonar |
[17:06] <plujon> But, changing that doesn't actually change the <beep> I hear in the terminal or emacs.
[17:07] <francis> ice9: pity. are you comfortable editing /etc/default/grub? if I were in your shoes the next thing I'd do to try and narrow this down is add "loglevel=8" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/defaut/grub
[17:08] <francis> which will enable noisier debug messages in dmesg which may help confirm if this is a watchdog issue for sure
[17:08] <francis> requires an update-grub afterwards and a reboot mind
[17:09] <Mekaneck> plujon: in the terminal settings you can turn off Terminal Bell
[17:11] <plujon> Mekaneck: Thanks, instead I did this:
[17:11] <plujon> gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.sound event-sounds false # sweet relief
[17:14] <plujon> Second, is there a way to move windows using the keyboard without having them fill half the screen (similar to super-left / super-right)?
[17:16] <plujon> In openbox, one can use the command MoveToEdge with a direction such as "west" to accomplish this.
[17:30] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en
[17:31] <oerheks> While using an application, press Super and left arrow key and the application will go to the left edge of the screen, taking half of the screen.
[17:50] <SuperLag> So I have a script in /etc/update-motd.d/ called 99-custom, and it's just the shebang line, a comment block, and some printf statements to output some stuff to the screen. It's set to 755, but it's not showing when I "rm ~/.motd_shown" and log back in to the system.
[17:50] <SuperLag> it shows the standard MOTD, but not the stuff at the end that I'm trying to include
[17:50] <SuperLag> and I've tried it in motd.tail as well... no dice
[17:55] <sarnold> SuperLag: do you have pam_motd configured to print the motd on whatever service you're using to log in? or do you have PrintMotd configured in sshd? or do you have something in your shell startup scripts to print it?
[17:57] <SuperLag> sarnold: whatever is the default out of the box. I've not configured anything specifically to do it. I just wanted to include some extra content.
[17:57] <oerheks> https://eklitzke.org/disabling-ubuntu-motd-spam
[17:58] <SuperLag> I'm not trying to *disable* it. I want to *change* it.
[17:58] <SuperLag> I want to add some links to company-specific documentation, and have it included on every login.
[18:00] <rfm> SuperLag, the update-motd process only runs on a timer (like daily, I think).  Changes you make won't show up until then.  There's probably a way to trigger it but I don't know what it is offhand...
[18:04] <oerheks> sudo systemctl restart motd perhaps?
[18:04] <oerheks> or  sudo service motd-news restart
[18:06] <rfm> wait, maybe I'm wrong and it's just the "news" on a timer...
[18:06] <rfm>  
[18:11] <[code]> sudo systemctl restart motd-news.service
[18:19] <rfm> I have confirmed I am wrong. only the news (and update notifications) are on the timer.
[18:26] <SuperLag> No systemd at my disposal, because this is a WSL environment, but I have found a suitable workaround by putting the script in /etc/profile.d/ and calling it from .bashrc
[18:27] <sarnold> ahhhhhhhh
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[18:29] <rfm> I just did what SuperLag said on a real ubuntu system and it worked fine, so it must be a WSLism
[18:31] <ice9> is this a hardware problem or what it could be? https://bpa.st/LGEQ
[18:34] <printf> is it possible to install ubuntu server headless, without a monitor
[18:35] <max3> is there a nickserv on this network?
[18:35] <max3> also what's the deal with horizontal scroll on 20? i'm xubuntu and ticking the box under touchpad settings doesn't activate it
[18:39] <francis> max3: yep
[18:40] <max3> @francis, re nickserv?
[18:40] <francis> ice9: hard to say, but something's causing a stall *looks deeper*
[18:40] <francis> yeah, it's NickServ
[18:41] <francis> max3: if you're unfamiliar you can /msg nickserv help to see what the services here support
[18:42] <max3> @francis, i'm familiar - i was expecting to be notified that i needed to auth for this nick but i guess nicks weren't migrated from freenode
[18:42] <francis> max3: ahh. yeah libera is totally new wrt nick/chan registrations
[18:43] <max3> cool i registered. any advice re touchpad
[18:43] <francis> ice9: it doesn't look good tbh. hard to say for certain if it's bad hardware, but stalls like that which are happening in multiple processes could mean faulty hardware (eg bad drive) or a corrupt filesystem or ...
[18:44] <francis> ice9: have you any older kernels installed that you can try out and see if this is only hapening with the kernel you're running now?
[18:52] <max3> anyone with some advice on how to get horizontal scrolling to work on 20
[19:15] <hughrawlinson> Is it just me or is https://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html completely out of date? It's talking about bzr, which as I understand it isn't really the default anymore? It's saying to use `bzr dh-make`, which isn't a command on my 21.04 machine, at least with the packages they said to install. Is there some other tutorial I should follow? Should I switch to snap?
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[19:16] <sarnold> hughrawlinson: heh, yeah that page could probably just be deleted and improve the state of the world..
[19:17] <hughrawlinson> I was going to submit an issue, but like, launchpad is full of old unacknowledged issues, so I decided it probably wasn't helpful. Is it enough to just go via the debian packaging guide?
[19:18] <matsaman> could even just use Debian
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[19:19] <sarnold> hughrawlinson: yeah, the debian packaging guide is probably a good way to go
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[19:20] <hughrawlinson> Thanks!
[19:20] <sarnold> hughrawlinson: getting packages into debian is also a good idea, there's millions of users on debian and debian derivatives that would benefit, and it'd get into ubuntu soon enough, too
[19:20] <hughrawlinson> > could even just use Debian
[19:20] <hughrawlinson> :laughing:
[19:21] <hughrawlinson> ah that's a great point I didn't think about actually. Thanks!
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[19:48] <goddard> would be cool if gnome builder had the ability to quickly help you create a gnome shell extension
[19:48] <goddard> or is it just 1 file?
[19:50] <oerheks> gnome shell extensions requires knowlege of java, afaik
[19:50] <oerheks> https://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5271677/How-to-Create-A-GNOME-Extension
[19:51] <goddard> i thought i saw one in rust
[19:51] <goddard> or is js the only option?
[19:52] <matsaman> ${most-trendiest-bs} is always the only option
[19:52] <matsaman> you know that
[19:53] <alkisg> javascript != java. Eh, it's ok for user interfaces as long as there's a good library behind it
[19:57] <goddard> oerheks thanks that helps
[19:58] <plujon> oerheks: Thanks.  Hmm.  I was hoping to move the window without changing its size...
[19:58] <oerheks> grab?
[19:59] <oerheks> Press Alt+F7 to move a window or Alt+F8 to resize
[20:00] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-windows-states.html.en and some more
[20:01] <plujon> oerheks: Thanks, Alt+F7 is pretty close; maybe I can speed up the rate at which the hand moves...
[20:02] <oerheks> there is gnome settings, and gnome tweaks/ keyboard and mouse
[20:03] <oerheks> or some digging with dconf
[20:31] <plujon> I'd like to know how much CPU and RAM is being used by glancing at the system tray / task bar / activity bar thing.  Does Gnome Shell have a plugin for something like that?
[20:31] <matsaman> undoubtedly
[20:32] <plujon> Where would I find such a thing, and how do I add it to the task bar?
[20:33] <[code]> gkrellm is probably a thing.
[20:33] <matsaman> plujon: probably check https://extensions.gnome.org/ for 'monitor', 'ram', 'cpu', etc.
[20:35] <plujon> matsaman: Thansk; I'll take a look.
[20:40] <saba_sedigh> hello guys I am on ubuntu 20.04 ans build-essential gives me this error
[20:41] <saba_sedigh> Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or
[20:41] <saba_sedigh>                             libc-dev
[20:41] <saba_sedigh>                    Depends: g++ (>= 4:9.2) but it is not going to be installed
[20:42] <saba_sedigh> I never had such error with build-essential
[20:42] <saba_sedigh> does anyone know why?
[20:43] <oerheks> this is a current issue, yes, 9.3 is removed
[20:43] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1926918
[20:43] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1926918 in glibc (Ubuntu) "cannot install libc6-dev, requires old libc6 version" [Undecided, In Progress]
[20:43] <saba_sedigh> oerheks: should I do something or I have to wait for the new update?
[20:44] <oerheks> i think you can only wait, i see no fixed package in proposed
[20:44] <Kingsy> if I have a hybrid graphics setup with these -> Intel HD Graphics 620, AMD Opal XT [Radeon R7 M265/M365X/M465], what are my options for using the Radeon card for lutris?
[20:45] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc
[20:46] <oerheks> king just set your AMD gpu as primairy in bios?
[20:46] <Kingsy> I cant. there are only two options. Hybrid and the other sets intel as primary.
[20:47] <oerheks> one could force a launcher;  write DRI_PRIME=1 before any application, it uses the AMD GPU instead. Example: $ DRI_PRIME=1 ./madshaders.py
[20:48] <Kingsy> would ubuntu already have the radeon driver installed for me?
[20:49] <oerheks> yes amd-gpu i guess
[20:49] <oerheks> not the old open-radeon
[20:49] <matsaman> whatever the case you'd be able to specify your preferred afterward
[20:50] <oerheks>  lspci -k | egrep -i 'vga|in use' | grep -i vga -A 1
[20:51] <oerheks> for newer driver, use at your own risk https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers
[20:52] <yolo> on ubuntu 20.04 added 21.04 to sources.list to install gcc-11 but by mistake I used 'apt upgrade' which was installing a lot of new packages, I aborted after a while, now all my clang failed to find their head files
[20:52] <yolo> how can I revert back, i.e. remove everything from 21.04 and make my system 20.04
[20:52] <oerheks> great, yolo, time for a fresh reinstall
[20:52] <yolo> no...shoot
[20:53] <oerheks> once 21.04 added, not sure that gives a clean upgrade, and you aborted...
[20:55] <V3n3RiX> and lutris already has an option to force DRI_PRIME for a particular game
[20:55] <V3n3RiX> all you need is toggle it
[20:55] <oerheks> yolo did you use this answer?https://stackoverflow.com/questions/67298443/when-gcc-11-will-appear-in-ubuntu-repositories
[20:55] <Kingsy> oerheks: by chance do you know to use it for a game in lutris?
[20:55] <oerheks> i would take that answer below, ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test
[20:56] <oerheks> Kingsy, sorry, not familiar with lutris starters..
[20:56] <yolo> oerheks: yes, that kills me
[20:57] <oerheks> Kingsy, see V3n3RiX
[21:11] <yolo> {std::tuple p={2,4.0,'5'}; std::pair p={"a",1}; std::map m{std::pair{'b',100},{'a',200}};}
[21:20] <sv> hey there. https://photos.app.goo.gl/vogjfgL9gvat3SeJ7 - first, second 183 - something must be wrong, right? 5800X running here. second, any idea what the boot problem is and how to fix it?
[21:25] <sarnold> sv: owww
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[22:57] <sv> i can't believe how buggy the current (not the LTS) release is.
[22:57] <sv> is that a known bug?
[22:58] <sv> should i try the LTS build instead?
[22:59] <sv> installing the nvidia driver causes the system to not respond to *any* control inside the controls window. i cannot switch between sections, nor can i click any button or slider inside any section. when i click, it does nothing. same thing with the applications menu button. i click it, it does nothing. the only thing i can do is use the pinned applications and the system menu on the right top.
[22:59] <sv> i got it running fine actually without the nvidia drivers, which i'm wondering why.
[23:00] <sv> how do they interact with hid? do they at all?
[23:01] <sv> also, the installer fails to install a working copy of grub unless the disk has no partitions thereinafter the windows efi partition.
[23:02] <sv> the error is random, once it boots, once it doesnt, once the error above occurs, and boot takes 600 seconds.
[23:03] <sv> i can't understand how ubuntu can disappoint their users that much and still be the most used distribution.
[23:04] <sv> like what's the problem? my 5800X with a X570-pro e gaming and 32 gigs of DDR3200 rams? which runs like a speedhound and rocksolid on windows for like a year?
[23:05] <sv> i am willing to try it again. do you have any suggestions that i might try to get everything running? and boot times below 200 seconds? i'm not even demanding boot times of 12 seconds like on windows 10.
[23:07] <sv> don't get me wrong, i fokken hate ms. but is it really so hard to work 20 years on a system that has not the ability to EVEN RUN AT ALL on a recent system?
[23:08] <sv> based on the number of replies to my issues, i can only imagine the number of rants of this kind you get per day and the level of depression that arises from it.
[23:13] <sarnold> sv: nah, it's just late on a friday, not many people still here this time
[23:13] <sarnold> sv: be sure to file bugs for the issues you've found
[23:14] <sarnold> sv: as for the number of problems like yours, one other guy in the last week had a similar problem..
[23:14] <sarnold> sv: https://bpa.st/LGEQ .. but he's had so many problems this last week that I suggested he run memtest86 or memtest86+ -- afaik he never got around to trying that
[23:17] <sv> yeah, one guy. and it's his fault.
[23:17] <sv> and this attitude since the beginning of the project.
[23:18] <sv> your intentions are notably. your performance is poor.
[23:18] <sv> i will now install debian, apt-get xfce and everything will work.
[23:18] <oerheks> sv what driver are you using? standard or oibaf ppa?
[23:19] <sv> how can you garble debian this much?
[23:19] <sv> oerheks: i tried it with both.
[23:21] <sv> at least they provide a netinst and don't make their users download an over 2 gig image and then after the installation still ask for performing updates for "improving performance with software"
[23:22] <sv> inb4 "look at this directory index: ..."
[23:22] <sv> yeah sure.
[23:22] <sv> i surely will.
[23:22] <sv> i'm so disappointed you know.
[23:22] <sv> ubuntu once worked fine, it looked nicely and had good performance.
[23:23] <sv> 5 hours wasted.
[23:23] <sv> no more again.
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