[00:07] <supremekai> In other words, I cannot login with root at the main menu
[00:07] <supremekai> how can I login with the user account "root" in ubuntu 20.04? besides using it in the terminal like "su root"
[00:08] <Bashing-om> !root | supremekai
[00:08] <oerheks> sudo -i # is the ubuntu way for a proper root environment
[00:09] <oerheks> * from the 1st account created
[00:17] <shibboleth> supremekai, edit pam.d/su
[00:17] <shibboleth> or use sudo
[00:23] <JanC> when you aren't experienced with linux/unix, you probably don't want a root environment, but just use sudo in front of commands that (really) need to be root
[01:55] <Geo> So, dorking around with a new install, I added a new user with key-based login (no password), +aG'd it, but then tried to run sudo and realized... duh. Is it not possible to run sudo in this scenario?
[01:58] <oerheks> indeed, you need to add the user to sudoers , or usermod -aG sudo username
[01:58] <oerheks> * from the 1st account created
[02:00] <Geo> thanks
[02:00] <Geo> so i did that usermod though
[02:00] <oerheks> then log out, and login as that user
[02:00] <Geo> And I can see the user in the sudo group
[02:01] <Geo> oh... does it time out after login maybe?
[02:01] <Geo> because looking back in the logs, sudo worked earlier from this account
[02:02] <Geo> and logging out/in, it still doesn't work
[02:03] <Geo> but it was working fine yesterday
[02:03] <Geo> and I'm still in the sudo group
[02:04] <oerheks> weird
[02:06] <Geo> I love when it breaks in the first few minutes of usage, and its literally faster to just start over than try and troubleshoot what weird corner case typo I broke it with
[02:06] <Geo> thanks again
[02:58] <webchat41> hi
[03:00] <webchat41> Can someone plz tell me as to why I'm not getting the automatic partition option while installing ubuntu on my dell optiplex 390?
[05:43] <hexypandadriver> Hi
[05:43] <hexypandadriver> I was thinking about encrypting my whole drives
[05:44] <hexypandadriver> How do I do that best?
[05:49] <LiftLeft> hexypandadriver, veracrypt
[05:59] <chronon> I use cryptsetup.
[09:17] <cbreak> encrypted zfs
[09:17] <wez> \o/
[09:31] <yarddogg> do you know if there is a help page/file for ubuntu/mac ?  anyone run ubuntu out of the mac/ parallels
[09:35] <toddc> yarddogg: I know Virtualbox works on mac with ubuntu guest
[09:36] <yarddogg> yeah, i'm using parallels
[09:36] <toddc> yarddogg: it should but i have never tried it
[09:36] <mjt> yarddogg: are you having trouble with something in particular?
[09:37] <yarddogg> i'm probably just having a brain fart
[09:44] <deanc> I have an apple magic keyboard and i'd like that when i press the f4 key it does the equivalent of pressing "show applications" in the dock
[09:44] <deanc> I have googled this, to no avail, it only talks about fixing other quirks with the function keys, but this is all i need :)
[09:48] <mjt> deanc: have you looked at the keyboard shortcuts area of the settings application?
[09:48] <mjt> I would have thought it'd be possible using that
[09:55] <deanc> mjt, what application?
[09:55] <deanc> this is a system wide key
[09:56] <deanc> oh, doh, sorry let me check :)
[09:56] <deanc> yeah it's mapped to f4 but pressing it does de nada
[10:06] <mjt> deanc: not sure, sorry. I think I once had to do a reboot after adjusting a shortcut.
[10:10] <deanc> i think this shortcut was set some time ago
[10:11] <deanc> the support for this keyboard on ubuntu is pretty awful :<
[11:37] <yarddogg> deanc: how old is the kb?
[11:43] <RougeR> heya
[11:44] <RougeR> i seem to have lost my ethernet connection in ubuntu 20.04
[11:50] <RougeR> this is my NetworkManager.conf
[11:50] <RougeR> https://dpaste.org/qSRq
[11:52] <jeremy31> RougeR: Do you have a network connection on that computer?
[11:53] <RougeR> jeremy31, ive got a usb wifi nic plugged in
[11:53] <RougeR> im on that computer currently
[11:53] <RougeR> when i run the old ifconfig command it shows loads of random bridges for some reason
[11:54] <jeremy31> RougeR: post URL from terminal for>  lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:54] <RougeR> https://termbin.com/s66i
[11:55] <RougeR> ive got 2x physical ethernet nics and a usb wireless nic
[11:56] <RougeR> ifconfig
[11:56] <RougeR> https://termbin.com/licf
[11:57] <jeremy31> RougeR: what happens if you>  sudo modprobe r8168
[11:57] <RougeR> got a vpn configured as well
[11:57] <RougeR> jeremy31, will check
[11:57] <RougeR> also of note, the built  in realtek nic is infamous for issues and i have had problems with it in the past
[11:57] <RougeR> im looking to replace it with the pci-e nic...but i dont why it would suddenly stop working completly
[11:59] <jeremy31> RougeR: if you got a kernel update it may have broke the r8168 dkms
[11:59] <RougeR> "modprobe: FATAL: Module r8168 not found in directory /lib/modules/5.4.0-77-generic"
[11:59] <RougeR> jeremy31, yeah i had something to do with a kernel issue a few months back
[12:00] <jeremy31> RougeR: try> sudo apt install --reinstall r8168-dkms
[12:01] <RougeR> kk
[12:02] <jeremy31> RougeR: once it is done, reboot.  I have to go for a while
[12:02] <RougeR> kk
[12:02] <RougeR> much appreciated
[12:02] <RougeR> im thinking i might do an update to  ubuntu 20.10 if this doesnt work
[12:03] <RougeR> and then the lastest 21.04
[12:07] <RougeR> no dice
[12:31] <deanc> yarddogg: about 1.5yrs old
[12:36] <chronon> Oh noes 3244 open tabs in Firefox. There has to be a better way. I think I need to join Tab Hoarders Anoymous and come clean about having a serious addiction.
[12:39] <sixwheeledbeast> tab groups
[12:42] <chronon> Intriguing. How do tab groups work, how could they help?
[12:44] <rapid16> Does MariaDB have a default root password?
[12:47] <sixwheeledbeast> You put tabs in groups so you can manage them.
[12:48] <chronon> Well, I'm currently using "Tree Style Tab" which is fairly godo for management of tabs. Merely grouping tabs would seem to be less organisationally useful than keeping them in tree hierarchies.
[12:49] <chronon> s/godo/good/
[12:51] <jeremy31> RougeR: URL for> dmesg | grep r8168 | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:52] <RougeR> jeremy31, running
[12:54] <leftyfb> rapid16: not by default, no
[12:54] <RougeR> jeremy31, no output from dmseg
[12:55] <RougeR> ive just finished the upgrade to 20.10
[12:55] <RougeR> need to reboot, its going to bump the kernel/headers i think
[12:55] <RougeR> let me see what this  does
[12:56] <RougeR> jeremy31,
[12:57] <RougeR> welp
[12:57] <RougeR> the upgrade to 20.10 fixed it
[12:57] <jeremy31> I wonder what broke it
[12:57] <RougeR> i think the kernel and nic driver were mismatched in some way
[12:58] <RougeR> ive seen a few other posts about it and its something ive had a few issues with too
[12:58] <jeremy31> Must have been a change in the newer kernel that the r8168-dkms wasn't patched for
[12:58] <RougeR> would anything like that auto-update?
[12:59] <RougeR> because i swear this broke without me doing anything
[12:59] <RougeR> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1259947/cant-get-rtl8125b-working-on-20-04
[13:00] <jeremy31> No, that is a totally different device on askubuntu
[13:00] <RougeR> hmm
[13:01] <RougeR> maybe i did an apt-get upgrade and forgot about it and that did it
[13:01] <RougeR> or maybe i blindly ran a command that did the update
[13:02] <jeremy31> The r8168s have been around for a while, I have never needed the r8168-dkms for mine but most of the time I use wifi
[13:02] <RougeR> https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/update-to-r8168-8-048-03-14-breaks-ethernet/6324
[13:02] <RougeR> wait
[13:02] <RougeR> july
[13:04] <jeremy31> last change in Ubuntu for 20.04 was 29 April
[13:04] <RougeR> hmmm
[13:06] <RougeR> jeremy31, i had an issue  around then if i remember
[13:06] <RougeR> im wondering if i set something manually and it then got reverted
[13:11] <RougeR> ah idk, it was probably be bodging a fix in around april when it looks like a few people had issues with an update
[13:11] <RougeR> and then i probably did something to break that hacky fix which took effect on reboot
[13:12] <RougeR> 20.10 upgrades kernel and to 5.8.0-59-generic from 5.7 and fixes it i guess
[13:13] <ice9> patches like what does canonical apply on the kernel shipped in ubuntu?
[13:15] <jeremy31> Looks like Ubuntu has been using the 8.048 version of r8168 since January 2020
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:22] <RougeR> jeremy31, huh im not sure then
[13:23] <RougeR> could have been me trying to fix the drivers around then
[13:23] <RougeR> the card i had previously was known to be buggy
[13:23] <RougeR> either way, i appreciate your help and glad its fixed
[13:23] <RougeR> ill probably stick it out on 20.10 a while longer or at least create a timeshift backup first before attempting to go to 21.04
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> realtek will always be kernel itchy RougeR
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> good thing to affect yourself on current bugs
[13:25] <RougeR> yeah that is what im thinking...i use this machine for both work and personal. stability and support are my main reasons for using ubuntu
[13:26] <RougeR> lost a days work on friday when this went wrong
[13:27] <RougeR> ive got a new pci-e NIC a friend gave me now though, which whilst still a realtek chip seems to be much more linux friendly
[13:27] <RougeR> https://www.amazon.co.uk/EN-9260TX-Gigabit-Ethernet-Express-Network/dp/B002SDFV0Q
[13:36] <hassoon> hi
[13:37] <bewees> hello
[13:37] <bewees> is there a list of deb hashes on ubuntu mirrors or can I only retrieve the hash sums for the source file tar.gz?
[13:38] <Mekaneck> hassoon: hi there, if you have a support question just ask. Offtopic chatter is in #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[13:42] <calaz> Hello, I've just done my usual sudo apt update and I got this message https://pastebin.com/CRsuAL0T . What's wrong with that repo?
[13:59] <abhijit> Hi All. in latest kernel and wireless sound is not detected. function keys are not working. ubuntu 20.04. how can I fix it?
[14:03] <SysGhost> Using KDE, I wonder... is there something one can use to temprary disable screen locker/power saving? once upon a time I used a KDE feature where one can park the mouse cursor at a given corner, and the computer would be kept awake and online for as long as the power allowed for it.
[14:03] <SysGhost> that feature no longer exists in KDE
[14:21] <Mekaneck> SysGhost: best to ask in #kde
[14:21] <SysGhost> I have... so far no activity.
[14:21] <Mekaneck> then wait :)
[14:21] <SysGhost> I suspect I'm using very unique special edge cases ^.^
[14:22] <Mekaneck> nah
[14:22] <wez> I dislike edge cases
[14:22] <SysGhost> Using my laptop for presentation at our local makerspace.
[14:23] <SysGhost> For now all automatic screen locking is disabled. But I tend to foget to hit ctrl+l every now and then...
[14:38] <GSMarquis> Does anybody know where user data is saved in Telegram Flatpak under Ubuntu?
[14:40] <ioria> GSMarquis,  check ~/.local/share/TelegramDesktop/
[14:40] <GSMarquis> It doesnt exist in .local/share I looked
[14:41] <sixwheeledbeast> ~/.var/Telegram* ?
[14:42] <GSMarquis> I have a spam message that somehow removed the ability to unpin it and delete it. I have removed the app all together and reinstalled but still there.
[14:44] <ioria> GSMarquis,  yeah, check ~/.var  (hiiden)
[14:44] <GSMarquis> I think I got it. I uninstalled it, delete all the data in .var for telegram and reinstalled it. Its gone. Damn spammers.
[14:44] <GSMarquis> Still finding loopholes in telegram they are.
[14:50] <BluesKaj> telegram should be banned :-)
[14:52] <wez> telegram?
[14:54] <tomreyn> be?
[14:58] <wez> What is it?
[14:58] <Mekaneck> what is what wez?
[15:00] <wez> Mekaneck: telegram
[15:01] <Mekaneck> wez: just google it
[15:02] <Mekaneck> it's not even ubuntu related by the way
[15:03] <wez> Mekaneck: oh
[15:07] <ice9> is there specific patches to canoncial that are applied to ubutnu linux kernel? other than the vanilla kernel
[15:09] <sigv> Yes.
[15:10] <ice9> sigv, in which areas of the kernel and where to find out about them?
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> ice9: you can follow ubuntu on launchpad and its bugs
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> ice9: there's also an #ubuntu-kernel team working on the kernels
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> was there anything specific you needed help with ice9 ?
[15:15] <ice9> lotuspsychje, i just wanted to know what is different in the Ubuntu kernel than other distros
[15:15] <sigv> ice9: When you see `linux-image-5.4.0-77-generic` then you expect 5.4 kernel, with important updates (security patches) applied. Specifics on the changes depend on the specific revision.
[15:16] <sigv> So it is a somewhat customized kernel in these cases, where you have some some patches being pulled in as needed.
[15:17] <bewees> what are those files? https://mirror.internet.asn.au/pub/ubuntu/archive/dists/focal/by-hash/SHA256/
[15:28] <bewees> found what I needed, Packages.gz got all .deb hashes :-)
[15:28] <sigv> bewees: instead of having a "package name" or something like that, you just have a hash that you download through.
[15:28] <sigv> bewees: for reference, i suppose: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Format#indices_acquisition_via_hashsums_.28by-hash.29
[15:29] <bewees> sigv: perfect, thanks!
[15:31] <bewees> i wonder who signs the packages, I guess it's the responsiblity of the package maintainer, not developer, provided the developer doesn't package himself
[15:34] <bewees> why does Ubuntu by default use http not https in apt sources
[15:34] <tomreyn> packages aren't signed, repositories are, so its the repository admin who signs them.
[15:35] <bewees> tomreyn: good to know, thanks!
[15:36] <tomreyn> because https has some (quite little nowadays) overhead on the hosting infrastructure. and since repositories are already gpg signed, that's not strictly neccessary.
[15:37] <tomreyn> it's still nice to have since TLS provides a little and different features than repository signing.
[15:38] <bewees> tomreyn: would it be possible that my system accepts to install a .deb package if it's signed by a non repository admin, but by another gpg key that happens to be on my local keyserver?
[15:41] <tomreyn> bewees: again, packages aren't signed, repositories are.
[15:42] <tomreyn> keys your apt installation is configured to trust are stored in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg*
[15:43] <tomreyn> any apt repository you have configured (and the packages provided by it) that is signed by these keys will be trusted.
[15:44] <tomreyn> apt won't be configured to talk to your local keyserver out of the box, so this would be a non-issue
[15:46] <bewees> oh thanks, makes much more sense now. just didn't understand "repository is signed" part. i understood that the admin signs it, but I thought each package is signed by the repository admin either way. i thought the .sig at the package provides the signature for each package hmm
[15:48] <bewees> or maybe you mean just Realese.gpg which is signed and then each hashsum is compared by apt install? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/
[15:48] <tomreyn> bewees: have a look at https://mirror.internet.asn.au/pub/ubuntu/archive/dists/focal/ - there is Rele and Relese.gpg. the latter is a gpg signature by the repository admin over the "Release" file
[15:48] <bewees> ohhh yeah!! thanks :-)
[15:49] <bewees> apt-mirror just does the same, but just with all of the repository I guess?
[15:50] <bewees> trusting the repository Release.gpg, or does apt-mirror compare multiple repositories to double check trust with multiple parties
[15:51] <bewees> yep, it's doing the same according to https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/apt-mirror/ where you specify the repositories you want to mirror from
[15:53] <tomreyn> i would assume that apt-mirror doesn't actually touch the gpg signatures. it may try to verify them, though.
[15:54] <av2156> ddddddddddd
[15:54] <tomreyn> av2156: hi, do you have any ubuntu support questions?
[15:55] <bewees> yeah, meant for verifying
[16:01] <bewees> the .dsc signature which resides next to each package in pool/*/<package>/..  is for the source files apparently. those seem to be signed by the maintainer though: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/a/auctex/ see .dsc and tar.gz
[16:03] <tomreyn> thats right
[16:05] <tomreyn> source code redistribution and patches over it (which should be the source for binary packages) are signed by the package maintainer.
[16:07] <pandadriverredca> hello everyone
[16:08] <tomreyn> patches also include pre/post install scripts etc., so what ends up in control.tar.gz
[16:08] <pandadriverredca> these post install scripts are really helpful
[16:19] <easyme> Is there any problem if someone used ubuntu on virtualbox?
[16:25] <easyme> *someone uses*
[16:27] <Mekaneck> easyme: no, why shoudl it be a problem?
[16:27] <Mekaneck> shoudl/should
[16:28] <Mekaneck> you are free to use ubuntu how you feel like it, in a VM or on real hardware
[17:19] <hellla> There is war between Libera/Freenode. Don't suffer come to IRCdotFREEENODEdotCHAT <== new network for only chat.
[17:19] <hellla> Come fast register your channel, first come, first serve basis.
[17:30] <ice9> hi francis
[17:37] <Sven_vB> hi :) can several routing tables have the same preference number in /etc/iproute2/rt_tables? (if relevant, in focal)
[17:45] <tomreyn> Sven_vB: i think there's supposed to be a 1:1 match between route table names and IDs (so "no" then). but why would you want to do that?
[17:48] <Sven_vB> tomreyn, I'm making an ansible script that puts a routing table declaration into /etc/iproute2/rt_tables.d and want to figure out how to best pick the preference number. if they could be reused, I could put just a static file.
[17:49] <ice9> it's not possible anymore to file a bug on launchpad website directly?
[17:50] <Mekaneck> never was afaik
[17:50] <krytarik> Ok, that's simply not true.
[17:50] <tomreyn> ice9: it's still possible, but less accessible, because it's discouraged. use ubuntu-bug instead
[17:50] <Mekaneck> krytarik: my bad, i read it wrong
[17:52] <tomreyn> Sven_vB: i see. i guess you could just put static files there, as long as preference IDs won't overlap.
[17:52] <Sven_vB> tomreyn, yeah, so to make it useful for other people I should have some detection mechanism.
[17:53] <tomreyn> probably so
[17:53] <Sven_vB> I wish man 8 ip would be a bit more detailed about preference
[17:53] <tomreyn> try man 8 ip-route then
[17:54] <Sven_vB> oh, thanks!
[17:56] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[17:56] <Sven_vB> nah, it also only explains the preference for routes, not routing tables
[17:57] <Sven_vB> oh ok, it just doesn't have the keyword "preference" in the "Route tables:" explanation
[18:00] <Sven_vB> I see, the kernel uses a 32 bit number to identify the tables. the names are just aliases for humans. so I assume I could declare multiple names with no problem except confusion, but also no benefit usually.
[18:48] <Enissay> is there any GUI tool to mount drives ?
[18:49] <Enissay> E: Unable to locate package mountmanager
[18:51] <pavlushka> Enissay: gnome-disk-utils
[18:51] <pavlushka> or gnome-disk-utility
[18:55] <Enissay> Aha, thanks... The last is already installed but was not intuitive... I just got in now <3
[19:02] <catalase_> hi, i am trying to add some keys in ubuntu server 20.04.1 and i get "gpg: keyserver receive failed: Server indicated a failure"
[19:02] <catalase_> this is the input: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys 3FA7E0328081BFF6A14DA29AA6A19B38D3D831EF
[19:10] <tomreyn> catalase_: most of the time (but not always, sadly) this means the key does not exist on the server.
[19:10] <tomreyn> catalase_: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?search=3FA7E0328081BFF6A14DA29AA6A19B38D3D831EF&fingerprint=on&op=index
[19:11] <tomreyn> the web interface does think this key does not exist on the server
[19:11] <alkisg> catalase_: hkp, not http?
[19:11] <tomreyn> catalase_: this ony (prefixed with 0x) does, though: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?search=0x3FA7E0328081BFF6A14DA29AA6A19B38D3D831EF&fingerprint=on&op=index
[19:13] <tomreyn> hkp or hkps would be correct there, gpg doesn't speak HTTP in general, just the HKP
[19:14] <tomreyn> (apt-key is a wrapper around gpg for the most part)
[19:15] <alkisg> Yeah the same command works fine here, key imported
[19:16] <catalase_> i think my resolv.conf didn't have namserver 1.1.1.1
[19:16] <catalase_> i did hkps and 443 and add nameserver 1.1.1.1 to my resolv config and it work
[19:16] <catalase_> thanks all
[19:20] <tomreyn> catalase_: it wasn't a resolver issue. it most likely was just about the "0x" prefix to the fingerprint.
[19:30] <Guest46> Hello, my Dell e6400 was running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.  It prompted me to upgrade to 18.04 LTS.  The upgrade process gave me some errors, but clicking ok let it proceed.  Then, (this is all typed in from handwritten transcript)...
[19:30] <Guest46> >installing the upgrades
[19:30] <Guest46> ...
[19:30] <Guest46> Setting up linux-firmware (1.173.20)
[19:30] <Guest46> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-210-generic
[19:30] <Guest46>  /etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu_EGL.conf: No such file or directory
[19:30] <tomreyn> !paste | Guest46
[19:31] <tomreyn> Guest46: you're muted right now, but this will be automatically undone shortly
[19:31] <tomreyn> Guest46:speek freely after reading what ubottu told you.
[19:32] <Guest46> Thank you for help! https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9wbmMRWTSY/ I'm trying to cope with Ubuntu update on cranky machine.
[19:33] <tomreyn> !16.04 | Guest46: you might already be aware of this (?)
[19:34] <Guest46> I did not know that, it's not my daily driver.  I'd like to update to 20.04 LTS. Can I update from the ISO without losing data?
[19:34] <oerheks> if you have no backup of your data already, it is not important
[19:35] <tomreyn> Guest46: i always forget about the correct answer to this question, don't knoiw. but you'll certainly need to (release) upgrade 16.04 LTS to 18.04 LTS first of all, if upgrading is what you want, raather than a fresh installation.
[19:35] <Guest46> I don't follow you, oerheks.  Should I expect trouble updating from an end of life distribution following its prompt?
[19:36] <oerheks> Guest46, you already took that risk, upgrading to 18.04...
[19:36] <tomreyn> a segfault during initrd generation isn't a great indication on a stable system, though.
[19:37] <Guest46> Sorry I'm too trusting, and pressed for time.
[19:38] <tomreyn> Guest46: i guess if it's stuck in the initrd generation process now, and ctrl-c doesn't help it move forward, then try to kill the process
[19:38] <tomreyn> kill -9   if needed
[19:38] <Guest46> tomreyn, can you make a couple of reasonable guesses as to the reason for the segfault?  You seem to know your stuff.
[19:39] <tomreyn> not really, i don't know anything about this system other than what you told us so far. chances are that the ubuntu installation is in a bad state becuase unsupported changes were applied.
[19:40] <tomreyn> there could also be lack of disk space, hardware errors, a whole lot of possible reasons to consider, system logs can help.
[19:41] <quantum> before upgrading to ubuntu I had a folder I mounted with the following command: sudo mount -t ecryptfs ~/Documents_encrypted ~/Documents_encrypted
[19:41] <tomreyn> quantum: "upgrading to ubuntu"? what were you running previously?
[19:42] <quantum> I was upgrading from an old version of linux mint. I copied the folders over but cannot mount them. I have the correct password
[19:42] <Guest46> tomreyn, I did ctrl-C in the upgrade window, and confirmed to do it.  The upgrade process doesn't seem to be moving along.  I'm thinking step back and punt - boot with SysRescueCD and try to recover data onto a flash drive, then do a fresh install.  Does that sound like a good plan?
[19:42] <quantum> I am suspecious that something has changed with the default encryption or whatever, is there any way to tell what is going on
[19:42] <tomreyn> so did you try to "upgrade" from a different distribution, or did you do a fresh installation=?
[19:42] <quantum> tomreyn, it is a fresh install yes
[19:43] <oerheks> quantum, old version of mint.. interesting, result may vary
[19:43] <alkisg> Guest46: check the output of `dmesg` for hardware errors. If you have hardware errors, put the disk ELSEWHERE to save its data
[19:43] <tomreyn> quantum: that sounds better. ;-) but ecryptfs is deprecated, if not unsupported in current releases
[19:44] <quantum> it is there as part of mount it seems
[19:44] <Guest46> Thanks alkisg, I'm not sure how to do that.  I'm in the upgrade window.  Would I do an Alt-something to get a terminal window?  It's been a couple of years since I worked in Ubuntu.
[19:45] <tomreyn> quantum: there should be a script called "ecryptfs-recover-private" or similar which you could possibly use to recover the data
[19:46] <quantum> yeah, maybe, I guess I just don't understand what is wrong. maybe there is something besides the key I type in that is needed. I copied my old home folder so I should have everything
[19:47] <quantum> if I need to copy some files
[19:47] <tomreyn> Guest46: a reboot may fail because the initrd didn't seem to generate properly. you might be able to boot an earlier kernel image + initrd, if you havw one, but i'd rather ssh a second time and see if i can recover any data before meoving towards a reboot.
[19:47] <tomreyn> (and check dmesg there, too, on the other shell)
[19:47] <oerheks> quantum, make sure that share is unmounted before upgrading .. not sure the mint way is going to do what you want
[19:48] <oerheks> my advise: fresh install, no mint cruft
[19:48] <quantum> o.k. but for right now, i need an encrypted folder, what is the easiest option
[19:48] <quantum> since it sounds like ecryptfs is out of the quest
[19:48] <quantum> ion
[19:49] <tomreyn> quantum: which ubuntu release is this?
[19:49] <quantum> 20.04.1
[19:49] <tomreyn> i think fscrypt should work then - but i can't guide
[19:50] <quantum> ok
[19:50] <Guest46> sorry tomreyn, I recognize your words but don't know how to carry out the actions without more detail.  I thought ssh was a download method?  And how do I reach "the other shell"?  Then, do I 'cat dmesg'?
[19:50] <tomreyn> quantum: alternatively, you can create a file based (and loop mounted) crypto container using cryptsetup
[19:52] <tomreyn> Guest46: hmm, are you the only admin of this system?
[19:53] <tomreyn> Guest46: ssh stands for "Secure SHell", it provides a "command line" where you can execute commands remotely on the server. you can also use it to transfer files in and out of the server, right.
[19:53] <Guest46> Sorry, tomreyn, I am.  I live in a rural county of about 2K people in central Montana, in a ghost town.  I'm the local computer support, almost all ancient Windows flavors.
[19:54] <Guest46> I've been doing computers since programming apple ][ machines, ha ha
[19:55] <tomreyn> Guest46: :) But not a whiole lot of Linux, yet, I guess. Npow how do we resolve this? Maybe the easiest thing you could do is to install Ubuntu on another computer or VM and then attach the storage of this one to it so that you can recover your data?
[19:57] <tomreyn> Most file systems from Ubuntu 16.04 LTS are still supported in 20.04 LTS, so this should probably work - unless there are hardware problems or the file system has become corrupted beyond repair.
[19:57] <Guest46> tomreyn... so, ssh would be the connection to download the 18.04 update?  I think the machine finished that download before installing, then ran into trouble.  Yah, I think that's a good plan to use a different machine to try to recover the data.  Maybe this old beast's motherboard/CPU is going funky.
[19:58] <Guest46> I really appreciate the help; this does seem to be an unusual problem.  My searches were not turning up any useful advice.
[19:59] <tomreyn> Guest46: ssh is roughly the same as when you rdp to a windows server, then spawn a "cmd"
[19:59] <tomreyn> very roughly ;)
[20:01] <tomreyn> Guest46: i'd guide you more, but i've been sitting here too long, will take a pc break for a while, and soon head to bed... sorry.
[20:01] <Guest46> tomreyn, It would take me quite a bit of research to understand that, sir.  Does it matter whether the machine I install Ubuntu on is a 32 or 64 bit?  Is a 32 bit version of 20.04 LTS available?
[20:01] <Guest46> Bless you, and thanks very much, sleep well
[20:03] <tomreyn> there are only 64-bit installers since 18.04 LTS. which one you're running should not matter for whether you'll be able to access the data on the file system (but then we don'T know exactly what file system type you have there).
[20:03]  * tomreyn bbl
[20:15] <Mekaneck> tomreyn: 18.04 still had 32 bit iso's, Ubuntu officially dropped 32 bit since 19.10 iirc
[20:17] <Mekaneck> 18.04 however was the last LTS release to support 32 bit
[20:17] <shibboleth> ehm?
[20:17] <shibboleth> you mean 1604?
[20:19] <gsker> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1014149/how-come-ubuntu-18-04-lts-has-a-32bit-iso-installer   Ubuntu's developers decided to drop 32-bit image for vanilla Ubuntu (in fact it's already dropped, there is no Ubuntu 17.10 32-bit image), but (at least some of the) other flavours will continue supporting 32-bit systems for now.
[20:21] <gsker> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2019-June/001261.html  i386 architecture will be dropped starting with eoan (Ubuntu 19.10)
[20:23] <Mekaneck> shibboleth: no, 18.04 was the last LTS to support 32 bit isos
[20:24] <shibboleth> https://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/
[20:25] <shibboleth> https://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[20:25] <shibboleth> i see i386/x86 images for xenial but not for bionic
[20:25] <shibboleth> also, re what gsker said
[20:26] <gsker> xubuntu had i386 images for 18.04  but not Ubuntu: https://xubuntu.org/download/
[20:26] <alkisg> Also http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/18.04/release/ubuntu-mate-18.04.5-desktop-i386.iso
[20:28] <shibboleth> dunno what ubuntu mate is
[20:29] <shibboleth> but i've been keeping up on mainline ubuntu isos and i seem to recall x86 isos stopped with xenial
[20:29] <alkisg> All linux distributions have different "faces", desktop environments: xfce (xubuntu), mate, kde (kubuntu), lxde (lubuntu) etc
[20:32] <gsker> And you can use any of those desktop environments and stil keep on mainline ubuntu.  So you can eschew the gnome3 shell and use xfce4 instead without switching to Xubuntu just by installing some different packages.  Xubuntu just makes it the default and is tuned for that desktop environment.
[20:34] <gsker> I install ubuntu and then I remove all the desktop environments. From the lightdm login screen I run compiz and cairo-dock via a $HOME/.xinitrc file.
[21:04] <Sven_vB> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search.py?q=bash has some misplaced </tr> tags, in case anyone wants to fix it or report it properly.
[21:07] <mra90> I try to use GPIO API writing kernel module but have problem with obtaining gpio_desc
[21:09] <rbasak> Sven_vB: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manpage-repository/+filebug if you don't mind
[21:11] <xue> Hi all, im not using systemd on daily basis and i need your help. My wifi dongle is old and netplan doesnt like to work with it, so i would like to swap it for connman. Which services should i disable to be able to run connman?
[21:11] <mra90> in order to do anything with GPIO I need to obtain "struct gpio_desc"
[21:11] <xue> its clean ubuntu server instalation
[21:11] <mra90> but this struct is different in include headers of my OS
[21:13] <Sven_vB> rbasak, done, bug 1933772
[21:15] <rbasak> Thanks!
[21:21] <xue> so, no one knows how to turn off dhcp and netplan
[21:23]  * gsker looks at conman description
[21:23] <jeremy31> xue: you can turn off dhcp in Network Manager
[21:23] <gsker> What part of conman requires you to disable dhcp and netplan?
[21:23] <shibboleth> i already answered in -server: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1031709/ubuntu-18-04-switch-back-to-etc-network-interfaces
[21:23] <xue> jeremy31: yeah, thx ill install xorg just for that
[21:23] <jeremy31> xue: didn't see that you had server install
[21:23] <oerheks> xue share the hardware info bout your wifi dongle too
[21:24] <oerheks> how do you tell it is not supported?
[21:24] <xue> oerheks: realtek 8188eus
[21:24] <xue> bc i have tried many times
[21:24] <jeremy31> xue; what does it show as in lsusb?
[21:25] <xue> jeremy31: i said RTL8188eus
[21:25] <xue> ok, let me try that again
[21:26] <jeremy31> xue, I need the USB ID
[21:26] <xue> which services in this abomination of a software called systemd are resposible for network configuration
[21:26] <xue> i want simply to turn them off and start connman service
[21:27] <xue> thats literally all i need
[21:27] <jeremy31> xue, that should be supported as I have ID 0bda:8179 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188EUS
[21:28] <xue> jeremy31: i should have noted that its raspberry pi
[21:28] <oerheks> ....
[21:28] <jeremy31> xue, it shouldn't matter if it is running Ubuntu
[21:29] <gsker> xue what does conman have to do with complete network configuration?
[21:29] <oerheks> rasppi gives its own firmware package, AFAIK
[21:30] <xue> gsker: i want to know, which services should i disable, bc insead of sane numer of services (like in superior runit) systemd with clean installation has abot 100 of them
[21:30] <xue> one with more mysterius name than the other
[21:31] <oerheks> connman does not make that RTL8188EUS suddenly work
[21:31] <shibboleth> xue, this is the third time i've told and instructed you in how to replace netplan. is your attention impaired?
[21:31] <oerheks> one needs to build them from git https://askubuntu.com/questions/1170202/how-to-install-rtl8188eus-driver-on-ubuntu-18-04
[21:32] <xue> shibboleth: im sorry but i have you on ignored and cant see you msgs
[21:32] <xue> oerheks: it turns out, that it does
[21:32] <xue> i turned off services that i felt like are responsible for network configuration
[21:33] <xue> and it worked, but i was worried that i turned off too many things
[21:33] <xue> so i reinstalled os once more and now i want to only turn off things that are nessesary
[21:34] <shibboleth> i'm sorry, that doesn't compute
[21:34] <jeremy31> oerheks: There is a module in staging that should support the rtl8188eus in 18.04
[21:34] <xue> shibboleth: maybe, but its something we call open© source© software© quality©
[21:34] <shibboleth> anyway, i'm directing my attention elsewhere
 xue, this is the third time i've told and instructed you in how to replace netplan. is your attention impaired?
 shibboleth: im sorry but i have you on ignored and cant see you msgs
[21:35] <shibboleth> obviously you *can* see the messages
[21:35] <shibboleth> anyway, i'm directing my attention elsewhere
[21:35] <xue> shibboleth: are you redditor shibboleth ?
[21:35] <xue> i dont like to insult people, but you are acting like one
[21:35] <shibboleth> what's a redditor?
[21:35] <shibboleth> also, pretty sure this is off-topic
[21:36] <gsker> Yeah. It is off topic as it's asking how to run a crippled systemd system.  Xue - if don't want to run systemd, you should switch to a distribution that does _that_. It'll likely be a lot easier.
[21:37] <gsker> But if your problem is the driver for the USB network and it doesn't work under an already configured system, then you might have some specific questions....
[21:40] <xue> gsker: it is off topic but nomally i use gnu+linux operating system that does just that (doesnt use FBI's exploitable hellhole called systemd)
[21:40] <xue> gsker: ok, im presenting my question
[21:40] <j2bv16> Ok.....
[21:41] <xue> which services, in clean ubuntu server installation (18.04) i need to disable to run connman
[21:41] <xue> (supported till april 2023)
[21:42] <gsker> You can't that's not part of standard Ubuntu -- and this channel is about standard ubuntu.
[21:43] <xue> what?
[21:43] <xue> so gcc isnt part of standard ubuntu either?
[21:43] <gsker> Unrelated.
[21:43] <jeremy31> What is wrong with asking on #ubuntu-server
[21:44] <xue> jeremy31: its dead like my grandfather (very dead)
[21:45] <jeremy31> xue, try asking on askubuntu.com ubuntuforums.org or https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[21:46] <xue> jeremy31: thx, ill probably call my local computer repair shop, maybe they will know
[21:47] <ice9> will ubuntu 21.04 get kernel 5.12?
[21:55] <oerheks> ice9, not likely
[22:01] <Aavar_> Does anyone know of a good guide to moving a container from proxmox to lsc (ubuntu)?
[22:02] <oerheks> lxc or lxd ?
[22:03] <Aavar_> oerheks: sorry. lxc
[22:03] <Aavar_> (I don't know the difference, but I think lxc)
[22:03] <oerheks> yes, i thought it was a typo too, lxc
[22:05] <oerheks> i hope that proxmox is not a OpenVZ container
[22:10] <oerheks> this tutor might be a help https://amoldighe.github.io/2018/07/24/proxmox-move/
[22:10] <Aavar_> oerheks: thank you :)
[22:25] <Enissay> Are there any sticky notes windows like that are synced (cloud) ?
[22:27] <xue> Enissay: gnote
[22:27] <xue> it has plugin installed
[22:29] <sixwheeledbeast> tomboy used to be the classic sticky note program but i am sure there are lots out there.
[23:04] <xue> crisis solved
[23:04] <xue> thank you all
[23:05] <user217_>  hello. How I can identify app that running,  but not displayed in task bar ?
[23:06] <user217_> any tool like 'xkil' but with identify functions?
[23:06] <user217_>  *or like 'kcolorchooser' for colors identifier
[23:09] <tomreyn> user217_: xprop | awk -F'=' '/_NET_WM_PID/ {print $2}' | xargs ps
[23:10] <Bashing-om> user217_: Consider - top: It too has the ability to kill a process.
[23:14] <Enissay> in ubuntu gui, how to edit folders path manually... It is very irritating
[23:15] <tomreyn> Enissay: Do you mean some applications' file open / save windows, or Gnome Files?
[23:15] <tomreyn> Ctrl - L then.
[23:15] <Enissay> yesss
[23:16] <Enissay> Thank you, I was loosing my mind
[23:22] <user217_> tomreyn: looks like really nice. But cant identitfy my app: https://pastebin.com/raw/BKpRYR1g  https://itmages.su/images/2021/06/28/767959d1b5464e205bea918b85bd87b2.png
[23:38] <user217_> tomreyn: anyideas how to identify this window ?
[23:49] <gsker> user217  task manager.  Are you running kde?
[23:50] <gsker> Plasma/Tasks https://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Tasks#The_Plasma_Task_Manager