[00:00] <user217_> gsker: as you see - this app dont appear in task manager https://itmages.su/images/2021/06/28/767959d1b5464e205bea918b85bd87b2.png
[00:03] <gsker> I'm not sure what that was, but it wasn't a picture of a task manager.  Just open a command line and type ps -ef
[00:04] <jjbob1234> Hey, anyone have time to help me with my audio issue?
[00:05] <user217_> gsker: I have long list of running applications. So its not lokks helpfull((
[00:06] <user217_> *looks
[00:06] <gsker> ps -ef | grep less
[00:06] <oerheks>  ... /usr/bin/java -Dinstall4j.jvmDir=/usr -Dexe4j.moduleName=/home/andrii/TheBrain/TheBrain
[00:06] <gsker> (then use the "q" key when you want to get out of "less"
[00:06] <oerheks> personalbrain ..
[00:06] <oerheks> pkill thebrain
[00:07] <gsker> or -- you +can+ scroll up and down in a terminal window.... ??
[00:07] <user217_> oerheks: it was just an example that show that identifying woking. But second output - was try to identify unnamed window
[00:07] <user217_> * if you reffer to my pastbin
[00:09] <jjbob1234> To be more specific if anyones interested in helping me, i'm running a Geforce 9600 GT DVI to HDMI to my TV on a Inspiron 531 S, and it seems that ALSA isn't detecting the DVI/HDMI audio device, given that aplay -l only gives me 0,0 and nothing else, which i'm assuming is the on board audio device.
[00:09] <user217_> oerheks: and as you see - it show bash, xargs and ps https://pastebin.com/raw/BKpRYR1g
[00:09] <oerheks> oke, try this oneliner, it gives a cross to select the window of desire https://askubuntu.com/questions/137875/tell-a-process-pid-by-its-window
[00:09] <oerheks>  xprop _NET_WM_PID | sed 's/_NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL) = //' | ps `cat`
[00:10] <user217_> gsker: I mean - that I cant calculate what app exactly is in output represent my app that is run
[00:10] <gsker> ah. is there a window for this app on the screen?
[00:10] <oerheks> or simpler; xprop | grep PID
[00:10] <gsker> oerheks -- yeah - -that.
[00:11] <user217_> oerheks: _NET_WM_PID:  not found.
[00:11] <user217_> oerheks: second command - just dont give any output
[00:11] <gsker> I like wmctrl -lp
[00:12] <jjbob1234> Just @ me if anyone thinks they can help with my audio issues, i'll wait a bit.
[00:12] <gsker> @jjbob1234 just post your question
[00:12] <user217_> gsker: X Error of failed request:  BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
[00:14] <gsker> wmctrl -lp all by itself gives you that error?
[00:14] <oerheks> so it is a runaway process..
[00:14] <user217_> gsker: yep
[00:14] <oerheks> zombie
[00:14] <user217_> and 3 more lines
[00:15] <jjbob1234> i'm running ubuntu 20.04 on a Geforce 9600 GT DVI to HDMI to my TV on a Inspiron 531 S, and it seems that ALSA isn't detecting the DVI/HDMI audio device, given that aplay -l only gives me Card 0 Device 0 which i'm pretty sure is my onboard, which i currently don't have a cable to test, but I have a broken speaker and when i plug it in it shows that
[00:15] <jjbob1234> output in the settings otherwise, i have no HDMI or DVI audio output settings in the settings.
[00:16] <jjbob1234> What could be wrong?
[00:16] <gsker> what does    lspci -v | grep -i audio       say?
[00:16] <user217_> oerheks: what mean "so it is a runaway process.." ?
[00:17] <gsker> jjbob1234: type that at a terminal command line prompt.
[00:17] <gsker> I see this: gsker@veeta:/tmp>lspci -v | grep -i audio
[00:17] <gsker> 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40)
[00:17] <gsker> 05:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GM204 High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1)
[00:17] <gsker> 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. GM204 High Definition Audio Controller
[00:17] <gsker> So you can see my HDMI audio device.
[00:18] <jjbob1234> Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[00:18] <jjbob1234> thats it
[00:18] <jjbob1234> 00:05.0 infront if that matters
[00:18] <gsker> And do you htink that's the onboard?
[00:18] <gsker> If not, have you installed pavucontrol?
[00:19] <gsker> sudo apt install pavucontrol
[00:19] <jjbob1234> I have installed pavucontrol and it only shows built-in audio analog stereo Line Out
[00:22] <jjbob1234> i had it set up like this on my old computer which died recently and the audio worked like this on 16.04 i don't remember if i had to do anything special to get it to output through the DVI to HDMI
[00:22] <gsker> What do you mean by DVI to HDMI?
[00:22] <gsker> If you are using adapters are you using exactly the same cables and adapaters you were before?
[00:23] <jjbob1234> i have a DVI converter plugged into one of the DVI outputs so i can plug an HDMI into it.
[00:23] <jjbob1234> yes
[00:23] <jjbob1234> different GPU though.
[00:24] <matsaman> jjbob1234: you could configure alsa with defaults.ctl.card 1, defaults.pcm.card 1, defaults.pcm.device foo
[00:24] <matsaman> but I mean, only if the system can see that second audio device at all
[00:25] <jjbob1234> alsamixer pavucontrol and aplay say i only have one, and
[00:25] <jjbob1234> i ment to delete that and lol
[00:26] <gsker> You could also try deleting the pulse configuration (or copy it aside) in $HOME/.config/pulse
[00:26] <gsker> Make sure none of your cables or adapters look like this: https://cablestogo-909a.kxcdn.com/static/content/common/images/learning/connector-guides/digital-video/450/dvi-d-single-m-c.9b13842c.jpg
[00:27] <gsker> I swear that one time that did work for me but my next video card did not work with that and then I looked it up and it's not supposed to.
[00:28] <jjbob1234> okay i'll try deleting that turn it off and check the adapter to see if it looks like that.
[00:29] <gsker> I'm a little surprised that you only see an NVIDIA audio device.  I would have expected an Intel device for the onboard.  Does    lsmod | grep snd    show anything interesting?
[00:30] <jjbob1234> lsmod | grep snd shows alot of hda_intel some midi and realtek
[00:31] <jjbob1234> anything i should be looking for?
[00:32] <gsker> That sound reasonable.  But why isn't realtek showing in your lspci output????  Curious.
[00:32] <gsker> This is related: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/gaming-pcs/8/138920/9600gthdmi-problem-no-sound/
[00:32] <jjbob1234> there is no pulse config file in .config/pulse just a bunch of files with random numbers and letters and a file named cookie
[00:32] <gsker> But not a solution.
[00:33] <gsker> move all those files aside. and re-login
[00:33] <gsker> Or even just kill pulseaudio
[00:33] <gsker> pkill pulseaudio
[00:33] <gsker> it will get restarted and repopulate its 'stuff'
[00:34] <jjbob1234> should i sudo pkill? it says operation not permitted
[00:34] <gsker> no.
[00:34] <gsker> That's correctg.
[00:34] <gsker> you only want to kill the one that belongs to you.
[00:35] <gsker> not the one that belongs to the system.
[00:35] <gsker> so the "operation not permitted" is for the system one.
[00:35] <gsker> but yours got closed
[00:35] <gsker> ps -ef | grep pulseaudio    should show a new pulseaudio.
[00:36] <gsker> check the date in column 5.
[00:36] <gsker> s/date/timestamp/
[00:37] <jjbob1234> okay looks like column 5 on the last entry is set to when i did the command.
[00:38] <jjbob1234> still broken though so i'll see if the cable looks like that picture you sent.
[00:39] <jjbob1234> i'll still be on here though since i'm on my other computer on here.
[00:42] <jjbob1234> it looks like this https://lilliputdirect.com/image/cache/catalog/Products/Accessory/Cables/HDMI%20to%20DVI-500x500.jpg
[00:42] <gsker> well that's good.
[00:43] <gsker> which nvidia driver version are you running?  dpkg -i | grep '^ii.*nvidia'
[00:44] <gsker> apt list --installed nvidia\*
[00:44] <oerheks> pulseaudio -k && sudo alsa force-reload # might force audio again
[00:45] <oerheks> but dvi.. not much success with audio over that, one needs a full dvi-D cable
[00:47] <jjbob1234> computers booting back up rn, sorry it takes a second, @oerheks the dvi cable worked for audio on my last computer for audio, which is why i'm still trying lmao.
[00:48] <jjbob1234> just got back in and its nvidia-340 and nvidia-opencl-icd-340
[00:55] <jjbob1234> i did add a line to a file suggested by a forum to try and fix it, it was something like option alsa model=generic. (sorry i cant remember the exact file or line right now i'd have to dig through the internet again) i think that was before i installed the nvidia drivers, could that cause any issues?
[00:55] <Enissay> I am trying to check my cpu temperature but lm-sensors is not showing anything :<
[00:56] <Enissay> Any other way to check on a Ryzen CPU temperature ?
[00:58] <Xavierdarkness>  
[00:58] <jjbob1234> also pulseaudio -k && sudo alsa force-reload didn't seem to change anything.
[01:02] <Bashing-om> Enissay: Do not know about Ryzen - but on my AMD board ' cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp ' works.
[01:04] <Enissay> It is showing 50* while the cpu is at 100%
[01:04] <Enissay> I have read somewhere that AMD is giving low values
[01:08] <Bashing-om> sysop@2004x-c:~$ cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp >> 29500 --- sysop@2004x-c:~$ inxi -s >> System Temperatures: cpu: 35.5 C :D
[01:08] <Bashing-om> Enissay: ^
[01:11] <Enissay> Bashing-om: ow, nice tool thanks again <3
[01:13] <Bashing-om> Enissay: Pleased to be of some small assistance :D
[02:01] <jjbob1234> @gsker swapped out the GPU with one i didn't think would fit in the first place and now i have audio!
[02:01] <jjbob1234> @gsker thanks for trying to help
[02:04] <jjbob1234> now i just have 1 more question, that isn't really an issue, i've heard that my computer Inspiron 531 s works with 8GB but only on windows 7 (for some reason), what are my chances of it working on ubuntu?
[02:04] <jjbob1234> 8GB ram*
[02:05] <Bashing-om> jjbob1234: Minimum suggested requirement for ubuntu is 4 Gigs of ram :D
[02:05] <lotuspsychje> jjbob1234: 8GB is good to run a lot of ubuntu flavours on
[02:13] <wez> 640K ought to be enough for anybody.
[02:18] <gsker> jjbob1234 you're welcome.  Sorry we didn't come up with an obvious answer...
[02:21] <jjbob1234>  @gsker it's okay, I had already tried a lot of stuff i found online, I wasn't expecting much, just hopeful, maybe the GPU was broken?
[02:23] <jjbob1234> every part i have was pulled out of donor PC's so i never was sure the quality of them, i even got some magic smoke out of the first GPU i tried.
[02:24] <jjbob1234> which was a GTX 1060 which was pretty disappointing lol...
[02:24] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | jjbob1234
[03:41] <guy_frm_yogaland> hello everyone
[03:41] <mehmet> hello
[03:47] <guy_frm_yogaland> @mehmet: do you have any knowledge on docker on linux?
[03:53] <mehmet> yes
[03:56] <guy_frm_yogaland> @mehmet: can you please help me on that, please?
[03:57] <mehmet> what do you need'
[03:59] <stefan-tmp-livec> Hi wonderful people!   I have a Problem.   I did an update from groovy -> hirsute last night via do-release-upgrade, and I've broken anything gnome-ish:  Setting up ibus (1.5.24-1) ...
[03:59] <stefan-tmp-livec> dconf: symbol lookup error: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_memdup2
[04:00] <stefan-tmp-livec> Anyone have any thoughts about how I can recover?   Currently booted/chrooted from livecd, because things like wifi / keyboard (in X11) don't work.
[04:02] <guy_frm_yogaland> @mehmet: I am learning docker on ubuntu and using a dockerfile there, find error at the step for npm install, it shows permission denied error and asks me to do that as root user
[04:03] <stefan-tmp-livec> surprisingly, it looks like it _does_ export that symbol? root@ubuntu:~# nm -D /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0  | grep memdup
[04:03] <stefan-tmp-livec> 0000000000072aa0 T g_memdup
[04:03] <stefan-tmp-livec> 0000000000072af0 T g_memdup2
[04:05] <guy_frm_yogaland> @mehmet: I have created a new system user called app and assigned it to a group called app, and when I set the user to app in the dockerfile, and then build -> it says permission error, use root and I don't want to run a container as root user, what should I do now?
[04:32] <Tabmow> Anyone else find that constantly there is issues with apt and au.archive.ubuntu.com?
[05:13] <gdclonedg> n
[05:13] <gdclonedg> ?
[05:14] <gdclonedg> hi
[05:21] <ronald_mcdonald> Can xfce terminal display bitmap images?
[08:40] <kylin300> 23
[08:49] <Plops> I'm running OpenVPN and http on a VPS, and I'd like to deny all IPs unless I'm connected to the VPN
[08:49] <Plops> This is to simplify the list of allowed IPS down to one, the IP of the VPS. How to do this?
[08:51] <Plops> Just allowing my VPS IP to connect to port 80 didn't work
[08:53] <ice9> i'm using nvidia's prop driver and i'm getting 25 FPS but when I enable vulkan, i get 7 FPS, any idea?
[09:00] <TheBigK> Plops: u can use nftables, iptables on ur own or use ready to use firewall scripts
[09:00] <TheBigK> im using firewalld since it supports nftables... and my beloved shorewall will never support it
[09:01] <TheBigK> theres plenty of documentation to install a firewall...
[09:02] <TheBigK> damn... hes gone... :D
[09:13] <ManishFOSS> Hello guys
[09:13] <TheBigK> hi
[09:22] <Samian> hi
[09:22] <Samian> I need to create a bootable hard drive formatter to format my laptop before I return it to my old employer
[09:23] <Samian> anyone know of one? One that's easy to install on a flash drive and create a bootable flash drive?
[09:27] <chrfle> Hello, is there a way to only show open applications on the dock on secondary displays?
[09:32] <ice9> why it's trying to hibernate?? "Lockdown: systemd-logind: hibernation is restricted; see man kernel_lockdown.7"
[09:44] <ogra> Samian, just use an ubuntu live cd ... run the Disks utility to re-format or install some other tool in the live session to actually overwrite data on disk (i'm sure there are hints on google what tools you can use)
[09:58] <zaggynl> hi, has anyone tried and succeeded to connect from an ubuntu client to a share on an azure ad joined windows 10 client?
[09:58] <zaggynl> I can find microsoft documentation on azure files for cloud based but not client based
[10:04] <Samian> I ended up doing sudo rm -r on everything lol
[10:05] <Samian> the laptop is fuxored.
[10:05] <Samian> did sudo rm -r on lib32, lib64, bin, usr and more
[10:38] <GreyArea> Can anyone help with a quick ufw syntax, trying to allow localhost to contact specific host on any port, I've tried `sudo ufw insert 2 allow out 1.2.3.4/24 port any` and `sudo ufw insert 2 allow out 1.2.3.4/24 port 1-65535`
[11:20] <ice9> can wayland work with nvidia's prop driver?
[11:37] <ice9> i want to use wayland and "WaylandEnable=true" is set however x11 is still being used, any idea?
[11:52] <loganlee> guys help me with this https://askubuntu.com/questions/1348680/deploying-react-js-app-by-setting-up-a-reverse-proxy
[11:55] <cbreak> ice9: it might be disabled based on specific GPUs
[11:55] <ice9> cbreak, i'm using nvidia prop driver, is that the issue?
[11:56] <ice9> i believe recent nvidia driver supports wayland
[12:00] <cbreak> I read somewhere that specific GPUs don't support it well, and are disabled, independent of the driver
[12:00] <cbreak> can't recall where I read that though
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:18] <Morda> Hello, everyone, i have a big problem with my laptop and i cant install Ubuntu 20.04LTS version on my laptop. The problem is that i have 11Gn processor, and when i begin instalation, i cant detect my SSD disk. Somebody can help me?
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> Morda: could it be an nvme inside, perhaps check advanced partitioning?
[13:22] <Guest47> hi, the last kernel update didn't change the /vmlinuz symbolic link, so it was pointing to the old version. I removed that last version and the system became stopped booting
[13:23] <Guest47> I noticed it updated /boot/vmlinuz instead. Will Ubuntu now use /boot/vmlinuz instead of /vmlinuz ?
[13:31] <Morda> i have m.2 sata 6gbs. I think this is a problem with 11th generation processors. Since when installing Windows, the same problem arises, but there is a solution for Windows. A special driver is needed there, then the disks become visible
[13:35] <arkanoid> is it possible to to setup cron to run a process every 5 minutes every day between 7pm and 9pm?
[13:37] <JayDoubleu> is there some project for geo routing ? aka automatically routing any ip addresses for certain country over certain route?
[13:37] <arkanoid> is it "*/5 19-21 * * *" ?
[13:55] <leftyfb> arkanoid: https://opensource.com/article/20/7/systemd-timers
[13:59] <leftyfb> arkanoid: but yes, your cron schedule will do what you want
[14:03] <sem> I'm trying to eke out more disk space to perform a hefty upgrade. Is there a way to temporarily get rid of /var/log/journal?
[14:05] <sem> or /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
[14:07] <leftyfb> sem: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/194058
[14:07] <leftyfb> sem: don't touch the latter
[14:08] <leftyfb> sem: how much space we talking here? How big is the drive and how much space do you need? What are you upgrading to and from?
[14:09] <sem> just been a year since I logged into ubuntu and a lot of packages have updates since then
[14:09] <sem> it needed about 1 gb of space for the upgrade, but with removing the lowlatency kernel (for music stuff) and vacuuming the journaling, it has enough space
[14:09] <sem> thanks!
[14:22] <varaindemian> where can I download ubuntu vm?
[14:22] <varaindemian> where can I download ubuntu vm?
[14:22] <oerheks> varaindemian, easy to find, no?
[14:22] <oerheks> https://www.osboxes.org/ubuntu/
[14:23] <varaindemian> oerheks I mean the official thing
[14:23] <arkanoid> leftyfb: thanks
[14:23] <oerheks> varaindemian, what makes you think those VMs are not official?
[14:24] <leftyfb> varaindemian: Why not just install the hypervisor of your choice and install ubuntu yourself?
[15:02] <Lutin> hi guys, is there a reason why my 21.04 doesn't go any further then a 5.8 kernel ?
[15:03] <Lutin> It seems it should be 5.11 or is that desktop ?
[15:03] <mybalzitch> Lutin: did you accidentally upgrade to 20.10 instead of 21.04 like I did?
[15:04] <sem> Ok I'm a little stuck: grub does not have the new kernels (and I ran update-grub) my options are windows, uefi, and a custom kernel entry that is not there any more. Can I find a bootable kernel from within Grub ?
[15:04] <mybalzitch> Lutin: what does cat /etc/lsb-release say for your current version
[15:04] <Lutin> mybalzitch that is a very good one :D
[15:04] <Lutin> I did... eh ?
[15:04] <Lutin> that's weird
[15:04] <Lutin> OK it was night :D
[15:05] <mybalzitch> yeah I had to pass an option to do-release-upgrade to get 21.04
[15:05] <sem> I am fairly sure the /boot dir has kernels, they're just not on the menu
[15:08] <Lutin> mybalzitch yeah  I will upgrade twice now :D
[15:08] <sem> Like, can I cd into /boot and copy the vmlinuz filename from within Grub?
[15:12] <Lutin> mybalzitch thanks hehe :)
[15:30] <sem> ok I was able to find vmlinuz and initrd and get into ubuntu
[15:31] <sem> is boot-repair still recommended as a way to troubleshoot why update-grub didn't automatically create grub menu entries?
[15:31] <Morda> Hello, everyone, i have a big problem with my laptop and i cant install Ubuntu 20.04LTS version on my laptop. The problem is that i have 11Gn processor, and when i begin instalation, i cant detect my SSD disk. Somebody can help me?
[15:31] <Morda> i have m.2 sata 6gbs. I think this is a problem with 11th generation processors. Since when installing Windows, the same problem arises, but there is a solution for Windows. A special driver is needed there, then the disks become visible
[15:35] <sem> hmm Morda, can you try booting from a USB and see if Ubuntu can detect the SSD there as a starting point?
[15:35] <Morda> Not detected.
[15:36] <sem> will Ubuntu boot from the USB though?
[15:38] <Helmholtz> Can anyone with a default ubuntu installation check whether `xmllint` is installed by default? In general, how can one find this?
[15:38] <Morda> Yea, im booting to the life session, but i cant detect my SSD, i detect my flash drive only
[15:39] <sem> Helmholtz, one sec, I'll check for you
[15:40] <node1> Hello
[15:40] <sem> Morda, have you found any articles that help somewhat?
[15:40] <node1>  May i know how my time is getting synchronized with world on Ubuntu?
[15:41] <sem> Helmholtz, does not seem to be in apt
[15:41] <node1> I don't have ntp installed on my ubuntu.
[15:41] <Morda> No Sem, no
[15:41] <ioria> Morda, do you know how  SATA  is configured in your bios ?  i mean rst, raid, ahci
[15:41] <rbasak> node1: nowadays it's done by systemd-timesyncd by default, which is an NTP client.
[15:42] <Morda> Yes, ioria
[15:42] <Morda> ACHI with RST mode
[15:42] <node1> rbasak, How to get the details of it?>
[15:42] <ioria> Morda, probably RST is the problem
[15:42] <rbasak> node1: look at the manpages systemd-timesyncd, timedatectl and timesyncd.conf
[15:42] <Morda> I know)
[15:43] <node1> ok thank you rbasak
[15:43] <ioria> Morda, dual boot ?
[15:43] <Morda> No, i need Ubuntu only
[15:43] <ioria> Morda, try to set it only AHCI (if possible)
[15:44] <Morda> It is not possible in my bios system
[15:45] <ioria> Morda, paste   : sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:46] <Morda> To the Terminal?
[15:46] <ioria> yes
[15:47] <Morda> I will try)
[15:48] <ioria> Helmholtz, i have it installed but i think it's not default (probably a gtk dependency or stuff)
[15:49] <Morda> But I can try it tomorrow couse i left laptop at work
[15:50] <Morda> ioria, What result should I get after entering this code?
[15:53] <sem> It looks like my /etc/grub.d/10_linux got its permissions messed up somehow :(
[15:54] <sem> the others look like this rwxr-xr-x - is that chmod 755?
[16:02] <sem> Ok I fixed it by doing chmod 755 holy crap I diagnosed and fixed a problem successfully just by recognizing patterns
[16:02] <Helmholtz> sem thanks
[16:02] <Helmholtz> what version?
[16:02] <theh> I'm considering upgrading my VPS from 18.04 to 20.04. In terms of major packages I only run lxd and nginx on the host. Is there anything I have to pay particular attention to regarding Ubuntu?
[16:15] <theh> I also used the HWE kernel on 18.04 due to a feature I absolutely I needed, otherwise I would have stuck to the GA one. With 20.04, the regular (GA) kernel would suffice. Should I stick to the HWE kernel for 20.04 nonetheless, or are there good reasons against it?
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> are you on -server theh
[16:18] <Helmholtz> ioria: thanks
[16:57] <theh> lotuspsychje: I'll join there later, I didn't know how active it was. The Matrix-IRC bridge failed earlier I think, and I don't have time right now.
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> theh: no sweat, i was trying to widen your options
[17:22] <Sherin> There is war between Libera/Freenode. Don't suffer come to irc freenode chat <== new network for only chat.
[17:22] <Sherin> Come fast register your channel, first come, first serve basis.
[17:23] <oerheks> Sherin, not in here please, thanks
[17:50] <cbreak> war? hah :D
[17:50] <cbreak> freenode suicided by deleting all accounts and channel registrations.
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> not here please cbreak
[18:22] <RedNifre> What's a good way to do (encrypted?) offsite backups in ubuntu? Any good combination of tools and (paid?) services for this?
[18:23] <sonOfRa> I do tarsnap.
[18:23] <sonOfRa> Encrypted, offsite, incremental
[18:23] <DrJ> RedNifre: I personally have a backup server that (from the server) does a rsync over ssh.  Since it is over ssh the traffic is encrypted
[18:24] <DrJ> the backup repo is a zfs pool that then does a snapshot after all the rsync jobs have run, creating an incremental system
[18:25] <toddc> zfs snapshot rsync works for me
[18:31] <RedNifre> Okay, but where do you sync it to? Some own servers somewhere?
[18:31] <DrJ> my own server
[18:31] <RedNifre> Hm, I was wondering if it might be easier to pay some sort of backup service, but the popular ones seem to be Windows/Mac only.
[18:31] <DrJ> personally, my parents house
[18:32] <DrJ> which is "offsite" from all my stuff
[18:32] <toddc> RedNifre: office to home and home to office
[18:33] <DrJ> especially if you have a spare computer to use as the server, doing it yourself is typically far cheaper
[18:33] <DrJ> and you get full control over the set up
[18:34] <sarnold> RedNifre: I've heard good things about https://www.rsync.net/index.html but haven't used it myself
[18:35] <RedNifre> Thank you, I'll have a look.
[18:35] <sarnold> RedNifre: I've also heard good things about http://www.tarsnap.com/ but the client for that isn't free software or something similar to that
[18:35] <sonOfRa> https://borgbackup.readthedocs.io/en/stable/ borg is good if you want to host the server side yourself. Tarsnap is good if you don't care about the server side, as your backups are encrypted and deduplicated locally before being transmitted
[18:40] <RedNifre> I probably don't want to host the server side myself.
[18:42] <RedNifre> Hm, Tarsnap is 250 USD per month per Terabyte ._.
[18:42] <leftyfb> RedNifre: feel free to ask for advice on 3rd party services in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:42] <chrfle> Hello, are block devices that are not mounted automatically synced when rebooting?
[18:43] <oerheks> sure there are plenty open source solutions
[18:43] <chrfle> If I have understood it correctly, normally block devices are synced when the filesystem is unmounted
[18:43] <leftyfb> chrfle: there is no sync'ing to be done if it's not mounted. There's no way for writes to happen
[18:44] <chrfle> leftyfb: I can write straight to e.g. /dev/sda3 without it being mounted
[18:45] <leftyfb> chrfle: I don't think sync'ing comes into play at that point
[18:45] <chrfle> are such writes to cached by the kernel??
[18:48] <oerheks> chrfle, with 'sync' you mean flushing the cache ?
[18:48] <TJ-> chrfle: there is write-behind caching on the block device layer for most types of device
[18:48] <chrfle> oerheks: yes, making sure that all writes to disk are actually written to disk
[18:48] <leftyfb> chrfle: if you're writing directly to a block device as opposed to a mount, I don't think it's cached at all
[18:49] <RedNifre> leftyfb: yeah, I guess it would be a topic for #backup, but that one doesn't exist.
[18:52] <donofrio> anyone know what switches I'd use with pidstat to pull stats from friday for a pid?
[18:53] <chrfle> TJ-: Do you know if they are synced automatically upon reboot?
[18:57] <TJ-> chrfle: on a shutdown the caches are flsuhed
[18:57] <TJ-> or even, flushed!
[18:57] <TJ-> chrfle: it is possible to configure devices not to use write-behind caching, too
[18:59] <chrfle> TJ-: got any more information about disabling the write-behind caching for a device? And how to check if it's enabled?
[19:00] <TJ-> chrfle: for an ATA ({P,S}ATA) device in kernel log you'll see something like "sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled'
[19:02] <chrfle> TJ-: unfortunately no hint in kernel log (mmc device)
[19:03] <TJ-> chrfle: mmc layer is different
[19:09] <chrfle> TJ-: any further advice?
[19:10] <TJ-> chrfle: this should show devices using write-back caching: "cat /sys/block/*/queue/write_cache"
[19:11] <leftyfb> grep "write back" /sys/block/*/queue/write_cache
[19:12] <chrfle> TJ-: yes, write back indeed
[19:13] <chrfle> TJ-: but automatically flushed on reboot? Could you point me to code or doc so my argument to my colleagues isn't "some guy on irc said" ;)
[19:14] <oerheks> it should be flushed on unmount..
[19:14] <chrfle> oerheks: but it's never mounted
[19:15] <oerheks> that is what you claim, writing without mount.
[19:15] <TJ-> chrfle: you can control the amount of caching, and policy, vis sysctl. See e.g. "sysctl -a | grep dirty"
[19:16] <chrfle> oerheks: why would I say it's not mounted when I write to it if I've mounted it? Then your advice would be incorrect.
[19:18] <TJ-> chrfle: don't forget as well as the in-kernel page caching there is in-device write-behind caching too. On spinning devices hdparm was often used to disable that
[19:19] <chrfle> TJ-: I would expect that to not be a problem with a graceful reboot though, the device never looses power.
[19:19] <chrfle> TJ-: Having a read at writeback_cache_control.rst now, thanks for your guidance!
[19:38] <quantum> is there a standard way to connect to onedrive?
[19:38] <quantum> I thought I saw something about that during setup
[19:45] <leftyfb> quantum: no. You can try some 3rd party sync tools, but nothing official either from Microsoft or Ubuntu
[19:45] <rud0lf> .ca
[19:45] <rud0lf> oops disregard
[19:47] <tomreyn> quantum: https://abraunegg.github.io/ should work for most stuff
[19:48] <tomreyn> quantum: but note https://github.com/abraunegg/onedrive/blob/master/docs/known-issues.md
[19:50] <tomreyn> (and yes, it's in ubuntu)
[19:51] <leftyfb> man, I'm not doing so well today on my searches apparently
[19:53] <tomreyn> or people.ubuntu.com is just timing out
[20:02] <frostblade> close
[20:23] <Diagon> deja-dup keeps telling me to set up backups - but I have my own solution.  Anyone know how to turn the reminders off?
[20:31] <toddc> Diagon: I uninstalled it
[20:31] <Diagon> Just deja-dup?  Or all of duplicity?  Or?
[20:32] <Diagon> (I thought for sure there must be soemthing in startup applications that I could uncheck.)
[20:32] <toddc> apt-get remove defa-dup and then purge if you want to
[20:35] <toddc> Diagon: there may be I have not looked into it as I use nextcloud to backup data I remove a lot of apps I just go down the store of installed apps and remove
[20:40] <Diagon> :thumbs-up:  Thanks.
[21:33] <sixwheeledbeast> there is a setting in deja
[21:34] <sixwheeledbeast> I wouldn't be able to look because I removed it too, but you can stop it.
[21:39] <Diagon> sixwheeledbeast - thanks.  I decided to remove it also.
[22:46] <daytime> hey
[22:48] <matsaman> heyo
[22:48] <matsaman> wnen you go away maybe it'll cool down! =)
[22:49] <oerheks> matsaman, please help one person at the time, this is confusing :-D
[23:07] <AndroUser2> Test
[23:09] <craigbass76> Is there an Ubuntu Studio specific channel?
[23:09] <Eickmeyer> craigbass76: This is it.
[23:09] <bray90820> So I have an issue with network discovery in my known server list under network some computers that are not currently connected still show up
[23:09] <hassoon> ubuntu studio ?
[23:10] <craigbass76> Eickmeyer, Ahh, so not like over on freenode. Mmmkay. Thanks.
[23:10] <Eickmeyer> craigbass76: sorry, #ubuntustudio
[23:10] <Eickmeyer> Thought I was there, wrong tab.
[23:10] <Eickmeyer> craigbass76: Though, if it's a question that isn't *specific* to Ubuntu Studio, this is the channel.
[23:11] <craigbass76> It's about a music app. I was using a hyphen (ubuntu-studio)
[23:11] <Eickmeyer> craigbass76: No, just #ubuntustudio. Which music app? You might find better support straight from the app's support.
[23:13] <craigbass76> Eickmeyer, I'm not sure actually. I'm wondering if I'm numbing it and don't seen an app to do what I want (cook up some rhythm tracks that I can play along with, and adjust speed) or if it's there right in front of me.
[23:14] <craigbass76> I asked though, now I'll wait.
[23:16] <Eickmeyer> craigbass76: You didn't have to wait long. :)
[23:18] <bray90820> How would I reset the known computers under networks there are unavailable computers that still show up
[23:20] <tomreyn> restarting samba might help, but there may be a better way.
[23:22] <bray90820> Well I have restarted the computer already a few times and that didn't work
[23:23] <bray90820> Oh F**K now it's gone whatever
[23:24] <bray90820> I just hope it doesn't show up again after I disable samba and restart the offending host
[23:24] <tomreyn> it will happens again, that's just how how discovery works in sambaland, there's always some delay.
[23:26] <bray90820> Well if I disable samba why would it show up?
[23:26] <tomreyn> because nmbd is a separate service, i think
[23:27] <bray90820> What if I shutdown computer A disable samba on computer B then turn on computer A would it still show on computer A?
[23:31] <tomreyn> what's the problem that you're meaning to solve?