[02:25] <webchat99> hello
[02:25] <lotuspsychje> welcome webchat99
[02:25] <webchat99> thanks
[02:25] <webchat99> I had some issues with the internet on my ubuntu machine and I was wondering if someone could help me out
[02:30] <sarnold> probably someone can make some suggestions, yeah
[02:31] <oerheks> ask your real question and find out?
[02:32] <webchat29> so when I first turn on my laptop, it connects to the wifi and also loads webpages, but after a few seconds, even though its still connected to the wifi, it doesn't load anything
[02:33] <webchat29> and if I disconnect the wifi and connect it again it'll open the first few webpages and then again it'll stop
[02:33] <webchat29> also this is all wifi and not wired, I have not tested what happens with wired connection
[02:34] <sarnold> have you tried on multiple wifi networks? have you tried other devices on that wifi network?
[02:34] <webchat29> yes, my phone and stuff work fine
[02:36] <sarnold> how about lower-level tools? if you start a ping to your router, or ping 8.8.8.8, what happens when the web pages stop working?
[02:37] <hoangtho> Hi guys. :)
[02:37] <sarnold> hello hoangtho :)
[02:38] <hoangtho> Uhh can i get help here? I facing some fonts trouble
[02:38] <webchat29> okay so I pinged 8.8.8.8 and it was working, ```
[02:38] <sarnold> yeah, probably someone may have suggestions
[02:38] <sarnold> webchat29: and it stayed working for a while?
[02:38] <webchat29> but now I've stopped getting a response
[02:38] <sarnold> webchat29: aha... do you get error messages?
[02:38] <webchat29> nope
[02:39] <sarnold> hrmph :(
[02:39] <webchat29> I think it might still be loading
[02:39] <webchat29> okay
[02:39] <webchat29> I got "destination host unreachable"
[02:39] <oerheks> some power saving mode
[02:39] <hoangtho> I'm using LTS 20.04. With latest kernel and Chrome. But somehow, i'm facing the font trouble with this https://imgur.com/a/LlbGsQy
[02:39] <sneep> ph88: Use the -i option then. The man page says "Read URLs from a local or external file.  If - is specified as file, URLs are read from the standard input.  (Use ./- to read from a file literally named -.)"
[02:40] <webchat29> its pinging again
[02:40] <webchat29> lol I don't know whats going on
[02:40] <oerheks> install TLP, or seehttps://askubuntu.com/questions/1159273/permanently-disable-wifi-power-management-in-ubuntu-server-18-04
[02:40] <hoangtho> I installed the font in inspect element but nothing worked
[02:40] <hoangtho> is that OS problem or the web it self?
[02:41] <hoangtho> My language is Vietnamese so the string in the log it Vietnamese too. They look like font broken or something
[02:42] <sarnold> wow the vietnamese bits there look so gross
[02:42] <hoangtho> Yeah i know.
[02:43] <sarnold> the vietnamese in the tab title looks fine; is that just luck, or does it actually look better always?
[02:43] <hoangtho> That made me driving so crazy right now. You can imagine that i spent all 3 days to fix that but nothing work
[02:46] <hoangtho> https://imgur.com/a/dztNzI2it should be like this ( i was installed ms-font-pack core with Tahoma, but somehow the Google Chrome and other Browser didn't )
[02:46] <hoangtho> * https://imgur.com/a/dztNzI2
[02:46] <oerheks> maybe you need to let chrome use systemfonts?
[02:47] <matsaman> should probably use chromium if you need something Chrome-y
[02:48] <hoangtho> All font that available is System :<
[02:50] <hoangtho> https://imgur.com/a/MXVnEKR this is my current font setup from google and DE ( i'm using cinnamon-de)
[03:41] <ezakimak> I disabled the bluetooth.service but every time I boot it still tries to run a job for /dev/bt-uart how do I get rid of that start up job?
[04:09] <gv> created live usb using rufus, selected Linpus lite (SanDisk) from Boot Option Menu, then selected Ubuntu from GRUB2 menu, saw the spinning circle above Ubuntu, but got "Unable to find a medium container a live file system". What to do now to install Ubuntu from this live USB?
[06:10] <mzo_> Can anyone tell me what the financial goal is for ubuntu?  Does canonical make money from support contacts?
[06:16] <mesaboogie> money for providing support, yes.
[06:34] <guiverc> mzo_, Ubuntu has no financial goal; Canonical is a company, and does help support Ubuntu, but Ubuntu is more than just Canonical
[08:08] <Tellmarch> Hi - I have installed a package with "apt-get install openjdk-11-dbg", which automatically pulled a lot of dependencies (graphical libraries). now I removed the package with "apt-get remove openjdk-11-dbg", but it only removed that one package. Is there a way to automatically uninstall the dependencies that were added with the install command?
[08:14] <toddc> Tellmarch: apt-get purge openjdk-11-dbg then apt autoremove they may still show till a reboot
[08:16] <Tellmarch> so I already did "apt-get remove openjdk-11-dbg" which only removed one package, and now the purge/autoremove don't do anything (probably because of that).. . does it make sense to re=install it to purge it properly?
[08:19] <toddc> Tellmarch: normally no but sometimes diirctories will show them till they are updated IE reboot. there are other ways but I just reboot to get everything back in sync
[08:19] <Tellmarch> ok I managed to cleanup using the same command on one of the dependencies, thanks
[08:21] <toddc> Tellmarch: Purge should remove all depencies and traces but I reboot to be sure then autoremove
[08:25] <ezakimak> looks like both systemd and networkmanager are trying to control dnsmasq
[08:25] <ezakimak> network manager keeps restarting it, but w/o a config file, so systemd's attempts to start it fail because it's already bound the ports
[08:27] <ezakimak> ok, so -HUP doesn't work on it, but killing it so nm restarts it will make it reread the conf-dir
[08:30] <ezakimak> ok, so do I leave dnsmasq.service disabled since nm manages it outside of systemd ?
[08:59] <Thaurwylth> I'm having a wifi problem that is very likely a modern version of this -  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1230922/ubuntu-20-04-lts-intel-7260-wireless-wont-connect-to-wifi-network  - but things have changed a little bit. Nowadays the iwlw module is part of the kernel. What is the way to affect the different network bands used, today? I probably want to try to disable the n band, maybe both 5 GHz and
[08:59] <Thaurwylth> lower.
[08:59] <cxl> Hi all, could anyone tell me if I can install Ubuntu on one machine and then plug that harddrive into another machine (both Intel CPUs but one is an i7 4th gen and the other a Xeon later gen, different hardware, one is a laptop the other a desktop) and boot Ubuntu with no issues? Or is this a bad idea?
[09:00] <Thaurwylth> Background: my wifi card worked a month ago and now it sort of doesn't work. It finds the networks but it will always hang up on authentication. The passwords are definitely correct.
[09:02] <mzo_> cxl: that should work without issue
[09:03] <guiverc> cxl, I've done what you're asking and had no issues on very different hardware, but I've also done it on hardware where I didn't expect issues (same brand/model desktop but it didn't boot & a re-install was fastest fix (spent hours trying to fix before the re-install)
[09:03] <toddc> cxl: yes   but if it is uefi you may have to enter the bios and pint it to grub2 assuming both are uefi
[09:05] <cxl> Thanks, I'll give it a shot. And if it doesn't work, I'll reinstall then.
[09:06] <guiverc> cxl, I've volunteered at a recycler where we repurposed donated hardware by putting Ubuntu on it... we cloned the ubuntu image to drives; but all boxes were 'tweaked' to ensure the cloned image worked.. one most boxes tweaking was quick, on others it took awhile..
[09:06] <guiverc> s/one most boxes/on most boxes/ ^
[09:40] <gordonjcp> morning
[09:40] <gordonjcp> I have two more-or-less identical machines with two more-or-less identical installs of Ubuntu 20.04
[09:41] <gordonjcp> on one, I can install wine32 no problem
[09:41] <gordonjcp> on the other, I get " wine32:i386 : Depends: libc6:i386 (>= 2.28) but it is not going to be installed
[09:41] <gordonjcp> where should I start looking?
[09:42] <gordonjcp> I followed exactly the same instructions on both systems, off the wine wiki
[09:44] <alkisg_web> gordonjcp: what's the output of this command, on the system where it doesn't work? apt policy libc6:i386
[09:48] <gordonjcp> alkisg_web: https://minecraft.gjcp.net/out.txt
[09:49] <alkisg_web> gordonjcp, it looks good, oh well try to install that package first, before wine
[09:49] <alkisg_web> sudo apt install libc6:i386
[09:51] <gordonjcp> alkisg_web: https://minecraft.gjcp.net/out2.txt
[09:53] <gordonjcp> alkisg_web: massive scary warning message
[09:59] <gordonjcp> alkisg_web: any thoughts?
[10:01] <alkisg_web> gordonjcp, do NOT press enter there :D
[10:01] <alkisg_web> You have some other package conflict that doesn't show up there, yet needs to be resolved first
[10:02] <gordonjcp> alkisg_web: yeah, I didn't do that
[10:02] <alkisg_web> Did you run the dpkg --add-architecture i386 command?
[10:03] <alkisg_web> dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
[10:03] <alkisg_web> i386
[10:07] <Thaurwylth> Hm. How about my wifi problem? It seems that I need to learn how to affect the use of different bands for a module that is incorporated in kernel 5.11. My current understanding is that I can't do this by going to /etc/modprobe.d/<something> , is this correct? Maybe it's not correct?
[10:07] <Thaurwylth> (You can check back about one hour on the channel log for some more information.)
[10:09] <alkisg_web> Thaurwylth, type `journalctl -b -f`, then try to authenticate to wifi, then put the journal output to pastebin
[10:09] <Thaurwylth> Moment...
[10:09] <alkisg_web> That's for an internal intel wifi adapter, not a usb one, right?
[10:10] <Thaurwylth> Yes, internal Intel 7260 card.
[10:20] <alkisg_web> (back later)
[10:20] <Thaurwylth> Here it is. Please disregard the Bluetooth and bakclight messages, they won't be important here. Also in the end I turned off the network because it failed already before that. https://pastebin.com/w6sG5Z16
[10:21] <Thaurwylth> That 'Couldn't get secrets' style message is also what it shows as a notification on the graphical interface every time that problem appears.
[10:25] <gordonjcp> alkisg_web: it works, now, I didn't do anything
[10:25] <gordonjcp> alkisg_web: it just works
[10:25] <gordonjcp> alkisg_web: <shrug>
[10:53] <Thaurwylth> I will occasionally be checking out my own Irssi backlog or the official channel records.
 Does upgrade also upgrade the pythons inside venvs
 If it does how do I stop that from happening?
[11:38] <aiena> DOes anyone know how I can add more locations to the sidebar of the nemo file manager?
[11:38] <aiena> I do not know if there is an irc channel for the cinnamon desktop to which I think this belongs
[11:39] <ronald_mcdonald> aiena, does nemo have a channel
[11:39] <aiena> I don;t know #nemo is not taken
[11:40] <aiena> DOes linux mint still use cinnamon
[11:40] <aiena> not sure. SInce it is just a package and a general question the distro shouldn't matter a lot
[11:41] <aiena> I'll try there I guess.
[11:41] <ronald_mcdonald> aiena, there are many people out there
[11:41] <ronald_mcdonald> You can try a general linux channel too
[11:43] <aiena> I think I'll just install nautilus
[11:43] <aiena> I am using KDE but really miss something like filemmanager-actions for KDE
[11:44] <aiena> I use many buntu's including ubuntu because its a bit more comfortable having a common base
[11:44] <ronald_mcdonald> aiena, I know its possible in Thunar
[11:44] <ronald_mcdonald> Because I had to do it once
[11:44] <aiena> in KDE it is possible too but I had to mess with some xml in ~/.config/something
[11:45] <aiena> filemanager-actions is graphical so its so easy peasy
[11:47] <ronald_mcdonald> aiena, its possible in Thunar
[11:47] <ronald_mcdonald> aiena, file managers are not really tied to distros I think
[11:47] <aiena> well most packages aren't
[11:48] <aiena> I'd say many things are tied to DEs rather than distros
[11:48] <aiena> gnome route or the QT route
[11:48] <aiena> I've accepted that there will always be a mix of DEs if you really use linux
[11:49] <ronald_mcdonald> aiena, I have used qt apps within a xfce os (and I think xfce is like gnome's cousin)
[11:49] <ronald_mcdonald> It's not really a problem
[11:49] <aiena> It isn't
[11:50] <aiena> It is just that so many more packages get pulled
[11:50] <aiena> and small things like the file->open dialogs etc of each program will have different features based on what they are based on
[11:51] <aiena> likr gimp/firefox look gnomish but krita uses the KDE file manager
[11:51] <aiena> and some will have more/less features as a resuly
[11:51] <aiena> it's all good
[12:00] <ronald_mcdonald> aiena, yeah the open file dialogs are annoying when there are multiple toolkits
[12:00] <aiena> Not only that even the look and feel
[12:00] <aiena> my nautilus looks funny on KDE hahaha
[12:01] <aiena> if filemanager-actions adds an extension for KDE it would be honking brilliant :)
[12:01] <aiena> i mean dolphin
[12:04] <aiena> brb
[12:06] <alsman3> reaper does not see alsa devices why?
[12:15] <alsman3> please help me disable pulseaudio
[12:35] <wyoung> alsman3: sudo halt -p
[12:47] <jwpapi> I’m following a tutorial that wants me to do: `sudo service apache2 disable`
[12:48] <jwpapi> but I’m getting a usage response with available commands, of which `disable` isn’t one
[12:51] <epi> I came on a couple days ago looking for assistance on getting my laptop's HDMI output up an running. The fix turned out to be... I took the laptop as apart as I could and put it back together. Boom, HDMI works.
[12:51] <ioria> jwpapi, can you link the tutorial ? (btw, you can use 'sudo systemctl stop disable <myservice> and then disable it)
[12:56] <jwpapi> ioria:
[12:57] <jwpapi> https://community.bitnami.com/t/lightsail-restart-of-server-now-loads-the-apache2-start-page-instead-of-website/58492/3
[12:58] <jwpapi> I get this error message:`Failed to stop disable.service: Unit disable.service not loaded.`
[12:58] <jwpapi> trying your command
[12:58] <ioria> jwpapi, sudo systemctl status apache2
[12:59] <jwpapi> ioria: last message is stopped
[13:00] <ioria> jwpapi, sudo systemctl restart apache2
[13:00] <jwpapi> no error
[13:00] <ioria> jwpapi, sudo systemctl status apache2
[13:00] <jwpapi> active running
[13:01] <ioria> jwpapi, sudo systemctl stop apache2
[13:02] <jwpapi>  my root problem is that it shows me the apache default page while it should be a wordpress installation (using lightsail)
[13:02] <ioria> jwpapi, you want to disable apache at startup, right?
[13:03] <jwpapi> yes I have the problem from the link I sent you
[13:03] <jwpapi> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/jRy7kIpa/
[13:03] <ioria> jwpapi, sudo systemctl stop apache2
[13:03] <jwpapi> ioria: done
[13:03] <ioria> jwpapi, sudo systemctl disable apache2
[13:04] <jwpapi> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/PuipLACQ/
[13:04] <jwpapi> that fine?
[13:05] <ioria> jwpapi, ps -A | grep -i apach
[13:05] <jwpapi> no output
[13:05] <jwpapi> ioria:
[13:05] <ioria> jwpapi, it just be disabled now (maybe reboot to be sure)
[13:06] <jwpapi> server or apache?
[13:06] <ioria> apache
[13:06] <jwpapi> sudo /opt/bitnami/ctlscript.sh restart apache
[13:06] <jwpapi> like this?
[13:07] <jwpapi> I actually can just uninstall apache2 I think, because I want bitnami apache to run and not the default one
[13:07] <ioria> jwpapi, what ? i don't know what that /ctlscript.sh  is , sorry
[13:07] <jwpapi> okay give me a second
[13:08] <ioria> jwpapi, afk, sy
[13:12] <ronald_mcdonald> Does upgrade also upgrade the pythons inside venvs. If it does how do I stop that from happening?
[13:15] <forteller> Hi. I'm on a laptop with Ubuntu 21.04, and I've done everything I can think of to get DRMd DVDs to work. Nothing's working, and now I hope I can get help here. I've turned on multiverse, installed libdvd-pkg by following this guide: https://itsfoss.com/play-dvd-ubuntu-1310/ I've installed libdvdcss and libdvdread8. I've installed
[13:15] <forteller> ubuntu-restricted-extras and VLC, and tried playing through Videos and through VLC. Videos gives me an error message: "DVD source is required to play the file, but is not installed", but when I click on "Find in Ubuntu Software" Ubuntu Software just shows up and gives me another error about "DVD source you're looking for could not be found". DVDs
[13:15] <forteller> without DRM are playing just fine, but as you know most DVDs are "copy protected". Please, does anyone know what's going on and can help me? Thanks!
[13:18] <rbasak> forteller: I'm having to think back many years here, so I may be wrong - but IIRC, some DVD hardware region locked and that can't be bypassed by software. Do you possibly have one of those?
[13:18] <rbasak> Other hardware allowed setting the region a limited number of times only (like 1 or 2).
[13:19] <rbasak> Or was that the case only for dedicated DVD players and not PC DVD drives? I don't recall.
[13:21] <forteller> rbasak: Thanks. It is region locked, but to the same region as the DVDs I'm trying to play are
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:30] <plujon> I just installed the snap for hugo, and it gets "permission denied" when attempting to open my site configuration.  The [older] version of hugo from 'apt' gets no such error.  Is this a common problem with snaps?
[13:53] <dan01> hi
[13:54] <dan01> I want to install the daily build of 20.10 on my system (have two disks)
[13:55] <forteller> I have to go offline for a bit. If anyone can help me with my DVD issue, I've posted it on the forum. I would be very grateful for any help! https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2464458&p=14046758#post14046758
[13:55] <dan01> If I keep updating it will it end in the final version of 20.10?
[13:55] <Thaurwylth> Are you talking about 21.10?
[13:56] <Mekaneck> dan01: there are no dailybuilds of 20.10
[13:56] <dan01> Thaurwylth: yes
[13:56] <dan01> sorry
[13:56] <dan01> 21.10
[13:57] <Mekaneck> dan01: #ubuntu-next is for development release support
[13:59] <Sven_vB> hi! I'm trying to migrate a bash script from Ubuntu xenial to focal. it collects a list of which processes to clean up using "ps --no-headers -o uid,ppid,pid,args -C avahi-publish-service". in Ubuntu focal, to make it work, I have to shorten the -C argument to "avahi-publish-s". is there a future-proof reliable way to determine where to cut off the process name?
[14:00] <dan01> Is ZFS recommended for SSDs?
[14:00] <Sven_vB> or probably more safe, is there a way in focal to make ps match the exact process name?
[14:01] <dan01> Thaurwylth: did you try
[14:01] <dan01> Thaurwylth: Ah sorry wrong tag
[14:03] <dan01> Sven_vB: grep?
[14:04] <goddard> my bluetooth crashed
[14:04] <goddard> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mSWBJwGzDh/
[14:04] <goddard> how can i reset it without a reboot?
[14:07] <Sven_vB> dan01, it already pipes into sed, so yeah I could indeed list *all* processes and filter them with sed. I was hoping for a more elegant solution though.
[14:10] <goddard> tried restarting the service
[14:10] <goddard> it just fails
[14:14] <alsman3> how can i give rights for non-priveledged user to /dev/cpu_lat file?
[14:14] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: I don't have avahi-publish-service running on any of my machines but ps doesn't shorten any of the process names for me either
[14:33] <kissk> Hi!
[14:34] <kissk> I'm writing this from Ubuntu 8.04.4
[14:35] <Toadisattva> a time traveler!
[14:36] <kissk> eXACTL
[14:36] <kissk> *exactly!
[14:37] <kissk> I have an Acer TravelMate 2200 with a Intel Pentium D and 256 MB of Ram.
[14:43] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, in the man page of killall, for the --exact option it says that process names are sometimes cut at 15 characters. have you tested with longer program names?
[14:43] <Sven_vB> it sounds like that 15 char limit would be something kernel related
[14:43] <Sven_vB> so maybe that affects ps, too
[15:12] <ELFrederich> hi, I'm trying to add a WireGuard connection in Gnome.  I don't see that option when I go to add a new connection.  This guide shows a "WireGuard" in the dropdown but I don't have it.  https://blog.scottlowe.org/2021/02/22/setting-up-wireguard-for-aws-vpc-access/
[15:22] <leftyfb> ELFrederich: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:25] <ELFrederich> leftyfb, https://bpa.st/TGXA
[15:25] <ApostleInTriumph> hello. I want to transfer a directory through rsync. but i want to ignore a particular sub directory. how to go about?
[15:26] <leftyfb> ApostleInTriumph: the man page should show you how to use --exclude
[15:27] <ApostleInTriumph> so it's relative path wrt source? leftyfb
[15:29] <ApostleInTriumph> also can I use in the exclusion patterns such as "dir-*" ?
[15:39] <ioria> ELFrederich, i think that is true for NM   1.26.2 and higher; 20.04 has 1.22
[15:39] <leftyfb> ELFrederich: the screenshot on that page is probably from the mentioned fedora and not ubuntu
[16:04] <ELFrederich> ioria, leftyfb so I need to run a Ubuntu 20.10 or something instead of 20.04?  Or can I upgrade NM on 20.04?
[16:05] <ioria> ELFrederich, if you really want that feature in NM, you need to upgrade or use an external prgram
[16:06] <ioria> ELFrederich, not 21.04 id'say but 21.04
[16:06] <ioria> sy
[16:06] <ioria> ELFrederich, not 20.10 but 21.04
[16:07] <Muligan> hey fellas, I'm working w/20.04lts and trying to do a p2v utilizing vmware's converter tool, I've followe so far their published KB: https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/1008164 and still getting a rejection, any suggestions?
[16:33] <donofrio> nmon exports, anyone loaded them into excel or anything utilities that would "playback" these exports?
[16:39] <alsman3> why with lowlatency kernel latency exceeds that in windows though tests show 200 microseconds vs 360 of windows?
[16:46] <pycurious> I'm trying to keep track of a bunch of machines - are they on,off, shutting down, rebooting, switching on - is there a software that allows you to keep track of these states? (all ubuntu machines)
[17:00] <lionkking> War between freenode and libera is getting worse each day, save yourself join irc freenode chat for your freedom.
[17:01] <cbreak> heh
[17:02] <scher> hi, most packages won't install on my 20.04. it boils down to packages 'depending' on focal packages but i have dependencies at focal-updates versions
[17:02] <scher> zlib1g-dev : Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.2.11.dfsg-2ubuntu1) but 1:1.2.11.dfsg-2ubuntu1.2 is to be installed
[17:02] <scher> https://pastebin.com/14L6dtJ1 https://pastebin.com/k8iZbL7r
[17:08] <leftyfb> !op | lionkking
[17:11] <Mekaneck> yeah, he's spamming everywhere
[17:12] <cbreak> I don't see why anyone would care about that dead network. It clearly failed when it suicided and deleted all accounts.
[17:17] <john122> hi all. can anyone help with vnc please? I'm running 20.04 on a mini pc (gk41). It has hdmi and display port out, but I can't get the display port to work with an hdmi adapter and I need either two hdmi outs OR the ability to output the hdmi out but run a second desktop over vnc. The need is to take the hdmi out fullscreen to a video mixer so I can't have any UI on that screen. But I do need to control it still. Is it possible
[17:17] <john122>  please? thanks
[17:20] <ChristianVonders> Simplest answer would probably to use any monitoring software and looking at the uptime of the machines
[17:30] <jpmh> I have a number of servers running 18.4 LTS - is there really any reason to upgrade them to 20.4?  I hesitate because I am always concerned that the upgrade may fail and I will need to re-build - only happened ONCE but that was enough to leave a feeling of worry
[17:32] <cbreak> jpmh: newer software.
[17:33] <cbreak> I upgraded for newer ZFS.
[17:35] <leftyfb> jpmh: Ubuntu 18.04 will go EOL in 2023. So you have till then :)
[17:36] <jpmh> cbreak: yes - but I do not see anything that I need - I do agree that zfs looks goodthough
[17:36] <leftyfb> jpmh: I've been spending some time rebuilding everything into LXD containers using ansible to make the process of rebuilding from scratch dead simple and take a few minutes as opposed to hours or days
[17:37] <jpmh> leftyfb: Yep  = and my thought is that I can jump t a newer LTS then - although I have to say that I am NOT a fan of snap etc and so MAY switch to Debian
[17:37] <cbreak> you don't have to use snap for most things
[17:37] <leftyfb> jpmh: you know snap isn't a requirement for anything we've been discussing right?
[17:38] <cbreak> the only thing I am using it for is lxd, and a few minor other programs
[17:38] <jpmh> leftyfb: sadly I can not use LXD we need to pass independent PCI audits and the auditors will not pass LXD yet
[17:38] <leftyfb> jpmh: if they'll pass docker, then they should have no problem passing lxd
[17:39] <jpmh> cbreak: I know I don't need to use it for most things nut it seems clear that cannoical is moving that way
[17:39] <jpmh> leftyfb: docker is not permitted
[17:39] <leftyfb> jpmh: you asked about 20.04 specifically. If you're not using snap now, then you don't be required to use it in 20.04
[17:39] <jpmh> leftyfb: actually docker is permitted IF and ONLY IF the daemon us run as non-root
[17:40] <jpmh> leftyfb: yes - I'm aware of that with snap - and that's why I'm not against going to 20.04 - in fact our newer servers ARE running 20.04 - and it is fine
[17:42] <jpmh> my consideration of 20.04 is that I will then be off the hook till 2025
[17:42] <jpmh> will there be an LTS in 2022?
[17:42] <bigpod> yes
[17:43] <bigpod> every 2 years there is LTS
[17:43] <leftyfb> jpmh: only if there is a 2022 :)
[17:43] <bigpod> so 22.04 will be LTS then next one is 24.04 hopefully maybe
[17:44] <jpmh> bigpod: TY - on that basis I may keep the 18.04s as that until 22.04 is available and do the upgrade then.  Does that make sense
[17:49] <bigpod> jpmh: if there is no need to upgrade there is no problem with not upgrading since 18.04 will be fully supported by canonical untill 2025
[17:50] <jpmh> bigpod: that was my though - and I am just gun-shy of an upgrade failing so would prefer to do it once rather than twice
[17:52] <bigpod> jpmh: that is a consideration for many people, i never had any problems upgrading but i did hear people have problems upgrading
[17:52] <sehro> @jpmh you'd still have to do it twice, technically. dist-upgrade is only supported from LTS to LTS-next, not from LTS to LTS-next+2 (e.g., 18.04 -> 20.04 yes, 18.04 -> 22.04 no)
[17:53] <jpmh> bigpod: we run a little over a thousaand servers and almost always the upgrade is flawleess, but when it isn't, and that is VERY rare, it really is a pain.  The client has less service and we ahve the brain damage of a re-build, which while automated, still does require some interaction
[17:54] <jpmh> sehro: yes - sadly I'm aware of that
[17:55] <jpmh> the other positive of waiting is that the client on a particular server may have already chose to upgrade his service with us and so we may have already re-installed, or sadly, we may have lost the client and it will not matter
[17:55] <bigpod> i recommend using do-release -upgrade not just simply going sudo apt dist-upgrade
[17:55] <jpmh> bigpod: that is always how we have done it, I agree 100%
[18:13] <pycurious> ChristianVonders: any suggestions?
[18:24] <leftyfb> pycurious: something like icinga is good for monitoring if a machine is on and what services are running on it, disk space, etc. You could also write a plugin to talk to the BMC to see if the machine is powered on even if it's still in a booting state
[18:24] <ChristianVonders> Here at home I'm using Observium because its pretty easy to set up. Although one downside is that it only supports SNMP as protocol and all the polling events are only triggered every 5 minutes, so in the worst case what you're looking at is 5 minutes old (there are possibilities to increase the polling rate although it looks like its a lot of work because a lot of reconfiguration for some tools is required).
[18:29] <Milo> I'm getting a bit of a problem with Device: Mesa Intel(R) Xe Graphics (TGL GT2) (0x9a49).
[18:30] <Milo> https://dpaste.com/3RK44R9HH - some kind of permission denied for the graphics card when running in docker
[18:31] <Milo> https://dpaste.com/HCA3CYZQJ - crash was missing from the above
[18:48] <pycurious> ChristianVonders: I'm looking for preferably seconds of uptime/downtime/rebooting state data to capture
[18:53] <ChristianVonders> <pycurious "Christian Vonderstein: I'm looki"> So you get information about reboots as you get stats about the uptime of the system but if you need latency measured like every second or so you wont be happy with observium. Then something like icinga mentioned by leftyfb is probably the better way (or Grafana + Influx + some collectors)
[18:55] <sarnold> I thought icinga was 'just' periodic status checks, something different than metrics collection..
[19:05] <coke> all status checks over time are metrics
[19:05] <coke> just a mater of recording them properly
[19:08] <leftyfb> sarnold: they had only asked about keeping track of state. No mention of metrics
[19:08] <leftyfb> either way, any data gathering solution can log the data and metrics built on said data can be done after
[19:09] <leftyfb> pycurious: This is a bit out of scope for the support provided here. You might get more information from #ubuntu-server or further discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:11] <tomreyn> Milo: you did not mention your ubuntu release and kernel version
[19:13] <Milo> 20.04 focal with linux-oem-20.04 kernel, as recommended by intel's iris guide
[19:16] <tomreyn> that should be linux 5.10 then, i had assumed that'd be new enough
[19:16] <tomreyn> but then the driver also seems to be loading for you, it's "just" a mesa issue. you could try oibaf drivers.
[19:17] <Milo> yeah, oibaf drivers?
[19:18] <VIA> hai everyone
[19:18] <VIA> question, im looking to adjust audio settings on ubuntu 20.04. i get the standard audio settings but im looking for something like a more or less complex equalizer or perhaps even different filters
[19:19] <Milo> intel's guide keeps saying I should have a vfio-pci driver in use, but I can't seem to get that to exist
[19:19] <tomreyn> Milo: make sure you read all of the notes on https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers?field.series_filter=focal - also note that this probably depends on either the GA or HWE kernel, i would not expect it to be tested with the OEM one.
[19:20] <Milo> alright, worth the shot, but that'll have to wait until monday
[19:20] <sarnold> leftyfb: ah, I missed that, I just saw a reference to observium :)
[19:20] <Milo> already 10:30 pm :)
[19:20] <tomreyn> does it work fine without docker though?
[19:21] <tomreyn> vfio-pci would be about vrtualization, i think. docker is not virtualization.
[19:21] <Milo> ah
[19:22] <Milo> no, docker is able to get some sort of opengl context in place, but not all of our stuff. Local build has a fancy segfault (general protection fault) in one of the shared objects. been trying to trace that with no success so far
[19:23] <Milo> and absolutely same source code works on earlier intel graphics cards (and other machines as well)
[19:24] <sarnold> VIA: I found this a very useful description of a bunch of the moving pieces in the linux audio stack https://venam.nixers.net/blog/unix/2021/02/07/audio-stack.html -- I think the section "Pulseaudio — Everything Is A Module Thinking" is likely to be most immediately useful
[19:31] <VIA> wewew looks very comprehensive thanks sarnold
[19:31] <sarnold> hehe yeah
[19:31] <sarnold> there's a *lot* there..
[19:32] <VIA> hmhhh no shit
[20:27] <jailbreak> !language | VIA
[20:59] <mybalzitch> really?
[20:59] <mybalzitch> lol.
[21:09] <cbreak> what's the best API to add a custom application / menu into the top menu bar?
[21:10] <cbreak> hmm... looks like they're called gnome extensions
[21:11] <Thaurwylth> Alkisg, yo yo. Or maybe someone else can comment on this?
[21:12] <Thaurwylth> In today's channel log at 8:59 UTC there's a record of my problem. Or starting from there. Then...
[21:14] <Thaurwylth> After 10:07 alkisg asks me to journalctl and I also present the journalctl output. Can someone help with that?
[21:23] <guzzlefry> Hello, would upgrading to a recent Ubuntu version solve this issue? https://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~klada/?site=projects&id=logitechkbd
[21:27] <VIA> jo jailbreak havent read but will ok
[21:39] <lupi> hi guys. how can I properly enable ipv6? I set dhcp6 to true in netplan. ran sudo netplan apply and rebooted but when I try to ping google.com, it does not work. pinging ipv4 works though.
[21:40] <bahamat> lupi: Does your network properly support ipv6?
[21:41] <lupi> bahamat ugh. crap. now that you mention it. the host itself does not seem to be able to ping it (im using ubuntu in vm)
[21:42] <lupi> is there a way to make it use ipv4 by default?
[21:42] <euouae> Hello I'm trying to figure out the network SSID I'm connected to from the command line. How can I do this?
[21:42] <bahamat> lupi: I guess it depends on what "it" is?
[21:42] <euouae> wifi?
[21:43] <lupi> bahamat: I meant, make ubuntu use ipv4 by default when using network stuff (ping, nslookup, wget)
[21:43] <euouae> ah I can use iwconfig! Thanks!
[21:43] <lupi> the host (windows), uses ipv4 by default even though it has an ip6
[21:43] <bahamat> lupi: I don't think there's anything specific you need to do. If you don't have a valid route to the v6 destination then it will use v4.
[21:44] <lupi> bahamat: yeah, that what I expected too. but it doesn't seem to do that. I was expecting ping to use google's ip4
[21:46] <lupi> netplan is basically this. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2NmX42QbGt/
[21:47] <bahamat> what does your v6 routing table look like?
[21:48] <lupi> gimme a sec.
[21:50] <lupi> bahamat: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c74rKnvYYb/
[21:53] <bahamat> lupi: Looks like your network is advertising v6, but routing is broken. In this case is to either fix your network or set dhcp6 to false in netplan
[21:54] <bahamat> It's not much different than v4 if your dhcp server is working but your router is broken.
[21:54] <lupi> by router. you mean the device, yeah?
[21:54] <bahamat> No, I mean router
[21:54] <lupi> oh ok. the routing
[21:55] <bahamat> Yeah. The default gateway needs to be able to properly route traffic. If it can't, your network is broken.
[21:55] <bahamat> Doesn't matter if it's ipv4, ipv6, ipx, appletalk, whatever.
[21:55] <bahamat> if your router is broken, it's broken.
[21:55] <lupi> well, I dont know how to fix that so I guess I'll just disable ipv6 in netplan
[21:57] <bahamat> Your network is advertising that there is valid v6 connectivity. If it's lying, there's not much you can do about that except fix it or disable v6 entirely on the host.
[21:57] <lupi> hmm. I see. that's much clearer now.
[21:59] <lupi> ok that's weird. I've set dhcp6 to false already and it did not work.
[22:00] <bahamat> Do you still have v6 networking up on your host?
[22:01] <lupi> ah crap. yeah. the host still has 6 enabled. need to remove that too
[22:08] <lupi> it's all good now. thanks bahamat