 Kubuntu Cafe what's that?? (re @Eickmeyer: That's offtopic for this channel. Feel free to ask in the Kubuntu Cafe.)
 I can't invite you (as much as I'd like), but it's the offtopic (read: non-support) group. (re @ADHIVP: Kubuntu Cafe what's that??)
[03:00] <Mamarok> Eickmeyer: and it is called #kubuntu-offtopic AFAIK
[03:06] <Eickmeyer> Mamarok: That doesn't translate in Telegram, unfortunately.
[03:07] <Mamarok> right, I didn't think about Telegram, which I don't use
 Yes
[08:37] <user|28> hello
[08:38] <Mekaneck> user|28: welcome
[08:38] <user|28> kubuntu is it here right?
[08:38] <Mekaneck> support for kubuntu yes
[08:39] <user|28> what about its privacy settings. is it as bad as in ubuntu? if so, could I change it?
[08:43] <Mekaneck> privacy settings? I didn't find any in Kubuntu. All i do is activate UFW.
[08:48] <user|28> well they have privacy settings in ubuntu to disable
[08:48] <user|28> but I couldn't find these in kubuntu so far
[08:49] <RikMills> what do you want to prevent the OS doing?
[08:50] <Mekaneck> hi RikMills :)
[08:52] <user|28> to spy on me
[08:52] <Mekaneck> it doesn't spy on you
[08:53] <user|28> not that i would do anything forbidden, but I also could use windows if that wouldn't matter to me
 may i know what privacy issues do you have in ubuntu? (re @IrcsomeBot: <user|28> what about its privacy settings. is it as bad as in ubuntu? if so, could I change it?)
[08:53] <user|28> but ubuntu does send user data to its home server
 and more practically, you shouldn't expect any privacy at all when you are ui g internet
 using*
[08:54] <Mekaneck> kubuntu doesn't user|28
[08:55] <user|28> so you want to say kubuntu doesn't send user data like ubuntu does? and that's why you can't disable?
[08:55] <Mekaneck> user|28: if you want a bit more privacy, disconnect from the web, don't use any phone etc.. ;)
[08:56] <user|28> that's not what I asked for. I want the same privacy as in debian without canonical
[08:56] <Mekaneck> then use debian
[08:56] <user|28> in ubuntu you disable those settings by the installation, but not in kubuntu
[08:57] <Mekaneck> afaik Kubuntu doesn't send any user stats
[08:57] <Mekaneck> RikMills: right? ^
[09:00] <user|28> that would be interesting to know for sure
[09:01] <RikMills> it is off by default
[09:01] <user|28> how do you know that?
 agreed (re @IrcsomeBot: <Mekaneck> user|28: if you want a bit more privacy, disconnect from the web, don't use any phone etc.. ;))
[09:05] <Mekaneck> user|28: why bother with it if it's off by default?
[09:05] <Mekaneck> just use the OS with the knowledge that it doesn't send any user stats like ubuntu does
[09:06] <Mekaneck> and if you're that in doubt and don't trust it, switch to Debian then :)
 somewhere there is a dossier on you regardless of what you do to circumvent it. (re @IrcsomeBot: <user|28> how do you know that?)
[09:07] <user|28> thank you Mekanek, you convinced me now :)
[09:07] <Mekaneck> :)
[09:10] <user|28> I always thought kubuntu would be straight ubuntu only with a KDE desktop. seems like they are still different
[09:12] <RikMills> also, if you mean info sent with crash reports, the default setting is to ask you if you want to send it. you can just choose not to send
[09:23] <user|28> very good.
[09:23] <user|28> why is it so different than ubuntu. do you know that?
[09:27] <RikMills> for error reports it is not. ubuntu has them set to manual also, which means you get asked if you want to send
[09:29] <Mekaneck> besides the desktop and apps there's not much difference between them user|28
[09:30] <Mekaneck> the base is Ubuntu, just like with all the other ubuntu flavours
[09:32] <RikMills> I'm not really sure where the myth that ubuntu collects users data in any dodgy way comes from
[09:36] <user|28> I guess that's because of the not opensource snap packages. I disabled them and installed the flatpak apps on a virtualbox. today I will install kubuntu fully on my drive instead of mx linux
[09:38] <Mekaneck> there aren't any snap packages install by default unless you, as a user, install them.
[09:38] <Mekaneck> what you say doesn't make any sense.
[09:39] <RikMills> yes, kubuntu has no snaps by default
[09:40] <Mekaneck> neither has Ubuntu
[09:41] <user|28> that might be that there are snap packages installed as I tested that with "list snap", but I also don't want them in Discover. so I purged snapd and installed flatpak and a discover plugin
[09:42] <RikMills> Mekaneck: it does in recent releases. i.e. the snap store
[09:42] <RikMills> https://i.imgur.com/vrFkN4C.png
[09:42] <Mekaneck> RikMills: ah, you're right. Thanks.
[09:44] <RikMills> and kubuntu :) https://i.imgur.com/TvFHWq9.png
 What's the use of Kubuntu Cafe if people can't join or be invited? (re @Eickmeyer: I can't invite you (as much as I'd like), but it's the offtopic (read: non-support) group.)
 Why not create a official Kubuntu Offtopic telegram group instead. :)
 /2740
 2470
 2740
 2T40
 2T4Q
 What should I do
 Plsssssss someone help me
 2T4O
 👍
 with what? (re @villagerrrrrrrrr: Plsssssss someone help me)
 The CAPTCHA (re @Maik_aD: with what?)
 It was confusing
 That what was written
 ah, i see
 /commands@join_captcha_bot
 /difficulty@join_captcha_bot 3
 /difficulty 3
 I dialed down the captcha difficulty a little bit
[14:43] <mdiehl> Hi, does anyone know how to upgrade from 19.04 to 20.04?
[14:52] <Mekaneck> mdiehl: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[14:53] <Mekaneck> best to clean install imho
[14:53] <Mekaneck> faster too
[14:53] <mdiehl> Faster than backup->install->restore ?
[14:53] <Mekaneck> probably
[14:54] <Mekaneck> first you have to go from 19.04 to 19.10 which both are EOL and then 20.04
[14:54] <Mekaneck> so clean install is faster
[14:55] <mdiehl> OK.  I have to do this on 5 computers.  How do I avoid being in this situation when 20.04 is eol?
[14:55] <Mekaneck> i'd also stick with 20.04 LTS since it's longer supported, then when the next LTS comes out upgrade to that.
[14:55] <mdiehl> Surely I won't be doing clean installs each time.
[14:56] <Mekaneck> Kubuntu LTS releases are supported for 3 years
[14:56] <mdiehl> OK, the NEXT lts will be a clean upgrade.
[14:56] <kirvesAxe> Isn't upgrades between LTS versions a bit easier..?
[14:56] <mdiehl> That's what I'm hoping....
[14:56] <Mekaneck> if you keep using 20.04 LTS yes
[14:56] <mdiehl> I don't want to do this again...
[14:56] <mdiehl> Good.
[14:58] <Mekaneck> keep in mind that upgrading isn't always flawless. It works for one user but for the other not, depending on hardware etc. etc..
[14:58] <mdiehl> Sure.
[14:59] <mdiehl> I'll start backup up /home.  8-)
 same thoughts (re @IrcsomeBot: <RikMills> I'm not really sure where the myth that ubuntu collects users data in any dodgy way comes from)
 Well, the channel mods/owners can invite. I don't know why the invite code isn't public. (re @Maik_aD: What's the use of Kubuntu Cafe if people can't join or be invited?)
 Can anyone tell me how big t number is kubuntu users
 Could you ask them? Would be appreciated. (re @Eickmeyer: Well, the channel mods/owners can invite. I don't know why the invite code isn't public.)
 The (re @ADHIVP: Can anyone tell me how big t number is kubuntu users)
 hard to tell (re @ADHIVP: Can anyone tell me how big t number is kubuntu users)
 They're in this channel. @RikMills (re @Maik_aD: Could you ask them? Would be appreciated.)
 ah, ok
 @RikMills ^^
 @RikMills They want invites to -offtopic Telegram group.
 We do not collect any metrics as a flavour that would allow us to know this (re @ADHIVP: Can anyone tell me how big t number is kubuntu users)
 I would quite like to do away with that group rather than grow it (re @Eickmeyer: @RikMills They want invites to -offtopic Telegram group.)
 Fair, but IRC guidelines apply here, and since this channel is bridged to the support channel and that one is bridged to the offtopic channel, it makes sense. Unless the Kubuntu council decides that anything goes here, but that would require coordination with the IRCC as well. (re @RikMills: I would quite like to do away with that group rather than grow it)
 None of that has anything to do with giving new invites
 Well, do you want offtopic conversation here? Because that's what not giving new invites creates.
 offtopic conversations in a supportchannel? No thanks, it also shows on IRC via the bridge
[18:05] <user217_> hello. Can someone help me to identify app? https://askubuntu.com/users/1177229/user216
[18:07] <user217_> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1348615/cant-identify-app
[18:07] <user217_> *sorry, first link - wrong
[18:07] <alkisg> user217_: run ps faux, store it, then xkill, kill the app, then ps faux, then compare the first ps to the second ps and you'll know what you killed
[18:08] <alkisg> xkill allows you to kill an app with a mouse click
[18:11] <user217_> alkisg: can I identify this app without closing/killing window ?
[18:11] <alkisg> Probably, but I don't have the time now to propose a solution for that
[18:12] <user217_> m.b. someone else ?
[18:13] <alkisg> user217_: try `xwininfo`
[18:15] <user|14> i have a problem in my kubuntu os
[18:21] <user217_> alkisg: this is output : xwininfo: Window id: 0x44185cd (has no name)
[18:42] <alkisg> user217_: xwininfo -all
[18:42] <alkisg> Then check the "process id"
[18:53] <user217_> alkisg: the stange thing is that :       Process id: (unknown)   https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wVkWypx5Hc/
[18:55] <alkisg> Well maybe the process has already died and some parent is still holding it up as a zombie. xkill will tell you.
[18:55] <alkisg> You're not running xorg processes as root, are you?
[18:56] <user217_> alkisg: I try `xwininfo -all` with sudo too
[18:56] <user217_> result was the same
[18:58] <user217_> alkisg: "xkill will tell you."   you mean : ps faux + xkill + ps faux ?
[18:58] <alkisg> Yup
[19:05] <user217_> did it was : http.so [kdeinit5] https local:/run/user/1000/klauncherNaKUvc.1.slave-socket local:/run/user/1000/plasmashellrYrfEr.2   ?  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2Rf9Kzjpw7/   https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8rwZySP9Vc/
[19:06] <user217_> alkisg:  if yes - I still dont get what app it was :(
[19:11] <alkisg> Meh that ubuntu pastebin is awful, it requires a login and a browser to get the text
[19:11] <alkisg> http.so is in both pastes, isn't it?
[19:28] <user217_> alkisg: https://pastebin.com/raw/BrcqhuUi   https://pastebin.com/raw/xp9B1HuC
[19:28] <user217_> `http.so [kdeinit5] https local:/run/user/1000/klauncherNaKUvc.1.slave-socket local:/run/user/1000/plasmashellrYrfEr.2`
[19:28] <user217_> as I see - no
[19:49] <alkisg> pastebin requires login to view raw
[20:00] <user217_> https://termbin.com/abr9
[20:00] <user217_> https://termbin.com/cpd7
[20:01] <user217_> @alkisg hope this ^ two is no require login
[20:17] <oem> test
[20:18] <Mekaneck> fail
[20:18] <oem> ;-))
[20:22] <alkisg> user217_: yeah, these don't require login. Check https://askubuntu.com/questions/964590/what-is-the-process-http-so
[20:30] <user217_> @alkisg thnks
[20:33] <bewees> Hi, is using wayland instead of X already stable for Kubuntu >=20.04?
[20:35] <Mekaneck> bewees: no
[20:36] <Mekaneck> it improved though during the last two releases afaik
[20:36] <Mekaneck> it'll be wiser to stay on X with 20.04
[20:36] <bewees> Mekaneck: Okay, then I keep using the default packages. KDE seems to use anyways few wayland libraries already to make use of waylands advantageous
[20:36] <bewees> advantages*
[20:37] <bewees> Thanks!
[20:37] <Mekaneck> np