[04:40] <Guest32> Hi
[04:42] <Guest32> hi
[04:42] <Guest32> hi
[04:45] <Bashing-om> Guest32: Hello - you have an ubuntu support question ?
[04:45] <Guest32> Yes with Lubuntu
[04:45] <Guest32> Whats the best way to update?
[04:45] <Guest32> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[04:46] <Bashing-om> Guest32: That is I admit my preference :D
[04:46] <Guest32> nice
[04:46] <Guest32> Does ubuntu have a dedicated sercurity team
[04:47] <Bashing-om> hueYhough apt-get is depreciated in favor of ' apt update .... ' .
[04:47] <Bashing-om> Guest32: Yeah, See: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/ .
[04:48] <Guest32> so whats the ful command to update now?
[04:48] <Guest32> full
[04:48] <Bashing-om> Guest32: Termianlly ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' .
[04:48] <oerheks> your 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' should work fine too
[04:49] <Guest32> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade ?
[04:49] <oerheks> and perhaps apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:49] <oerheks> !distupgrade
[04:49] <Guest32> fully updates =)
[05:18] <alkisg> apt upgrade doesn't fully update the system, prefer apt full-upgrade
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> ^
[05:34] <blahboybaz> Does the 20.04 release of ubuntu require that garbage collection be configured for ssd drives (the way it used to be needed with oder releases)?
[05:34] <blahboybaz> oder\older
[05:50] <alkisg> Heya lotuspsychje, that factoid isn't appropriate, it should recommend full-upgrade instead, otherwise important updates may not be applied
[05:52] <alkisg> blahboybaz, you mean trim? It's automatically ran from cron afaik, no need to worry about it
[06:07] <Wally> I'm getting this error when fetching qbittorrent for libqt5xml Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/q/qtbase-opensource-src/libqt5xml5_5.14.2+dfsg-6_amd64.deb  403  Forbidden [IP: 202.158.214.106 80] is there something messed up with the AU Ubuntu mirrors right now? Speeds seem to be slow
[06:08] <Wally> Averaging at 170kb/s ATM
[06:08] <Wally> for updates
[06:37] <Guest25> Hello. I have a set of ~600 directories named dir.1, dir.2, dir.3 etc.... and I want to merge them into one directory so that I can see all the files without having to jump between all of them. How do I achieve that?
[06:46] <oerheks> guest cp with the -R recursive option
[06:47] <oerheks> https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/cp.1.html
[06:48] <Guest25> oerheks: yes I figured I'd go with "cp -rl dir.*/* merged" but I'm getting an error: bash: /usr/bin/cp: Argument list too long
[06:49] <EriC^^> Guest25: you can use find -exec
[06:50] <Guest25> EriC^^: could you elaborate please? not very familiar with it
[06:52] <EriC^^> Guest25: find -type d -maxdepth 1 -name 'dir.*' | while IFS='' read -r dir; do rsync ${dir}/ merged"; done
[06:55] <EriC^^> sorry, find -type d -maxdepth 1 -name 'dir.*' | while IFS='' read -r dir; do rsync "${dir}"/ merged; done
[06:55] <Guest25> Ahh yes I was stuck with ">"
[06:58] <Guest25> I got a lot of "skipping directory ." and no files were copied
[06:59] <Guest25> EriC^^: "find: warning: you have specified the global option -maxdepth after the argument -type, but global options are not positional, i.e., -maxdepth affects tests specified before it as well as those specified after it.  Please specify global options before other arguments."
[07:00] <EriC^^> oh ok
[07:00] <EriC^^> find -maxdepth 1 -type d -name 'dir.*' | while IFS='' read -r dir; do rsync "${dir}"/ merged; done
[07:04] <Guest25> EriC^^: I keep getting "skipping directory ."
[07:05] <EriC^^> Guest25: what happens if you add echo to see what it's doing
[07:05] <EriC^^> find -maxdepth 1 -type d -name 'dir.*' | while IFS='' read -r dir; do echo rsync "${dir}"/ merged; done
[07:06] <alkisg> mv dir*/* merged/
[07:07] <Guest25> EriC^^: I get a bunch of reassuring lines "rsync ./dir.*/ merged"
[07:08] <EriC^^> Guest25: rsync ./dir.1/ merged etc? or literal dir.* ?
[07:08] <Guest25> EriC^^: actually now that I see that, would it matter that the directories are not in ~/ but in ~/Documents ?
[07:09] <Guest25> I mean, before running the commands I did cd so..
[07:09] <EriC^^> nah it's happening here as well, wonder why
[07:11] <Guest25> and rsync dir* etc didnt work
[07:12] <alkisg> guest25, try: echo mv dir*/* merged
[07:12] <alkisg> No for loop required, if I understood you correctly
[07:12] <Guest25> alkisg: I cant run mv because I get this error: bash: /usr/bin/mv: Argument list too long
[07:12] <alkisg> Ok
[07:12] <Guest25> I have >500 folders
[07:12] <EriC^^> Guest25: this works here, find -maxdepth 1 -type d -name 'dir.*' | while IFS='' read -r dir; do rsync -a "${dir}"/ merged; done
[07:13] <alkisg> Do you want to copy/rsync the files, or move them?
[07:14] <Guest25> EriC^^: the directories are actually called "saved_dir.*" What exactly do I need to change in your command
[07:14] <EriC^^> Guest25: find -maxdepth 1 -type d -name 'saved_dir.*' | while IFS='' read -r dir; do rsync -a "${dir}"/ merged; done
[07:14] <Guest25> alkisg: doesn't matter as long as I'm able to see the files in the same folder
[07:15] <alkisg> Does this bypass the argument list limit? for f in dir*/*; do echo mv "$f" merged/; done
[07:16] <ducasse> i'd use cp and delete when done
[07:17] <Guest25> ducasse: already tried, too many arguments -- EriC^^: your command seems to be working
[07:17] <ducasse> in case it goes fubar
[07:19] <Guest25> All solved with Eric's command -- cheers everyone, thanks for the help
[07:19] <alkisg> 👍
[07:19] <ducasse> !cookie | EriC^^
[07:20] <EriC^^> no problem Guest25
[08:25] <shadow_master_> hi
[08:26] <toddc> shadow_master_: welcome
[08:27] <shadow_master_> can anyone help me?
[08:29] <toddc> shadow_master_:  yes but we all have different skills so post your question and some that has a answer will reply
[08:36] <shadow_master_> since  i did update my ubuntu from 20.04 to 21.10, i have sliced flashing triangles on my screen, even  after i installed 20.04 again ,it doesn't fix
[08:37] <Mekaneck> probably graphics card related
[08:37] <Mekaneck> nVidia or AMD in it?
[08:38] <shadow_master_> but  i don't have that triangles on windows, i didn't do anything on ubuntu, i just recently installed ubuntu
[08:39] <shadow_master_> it is intergrated intel
[08:40] <Mekaneck> me too on both machines but i don't have that issue
[08:53] <sentiment> hello
[08:54] <sentiment> my pc keeps shutting down in a random fashion and the message I get is :thermal thermal_zone0: acpitz: critical temperature reached, shutting down
[08:55] <sentiment> a couple of points:
[08:55] <sentiment> the components are not overheating. I have attached sensors to the heatsinks and I have re-applied heat paste to the CPU heatsink as well. No discrete GPU either, just integrated into the north bridge.
[08:56] <sentiment> The message does not mention the temp, which is weird to me.
[08:56] <sentiment> the sensors command lists only two items, one is the CPU which is always cool enough and the other is a constant 30c value.
[08:58] <toddc> sentiment: run sudo sensors-detect to look for more sensors https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-check-cpu-temperature-on-ubuntu-linux/
[09:01] <sentiment> toddc: I have. Still two sensors.
[09:01] <sentiment> and that's not my question.
[09:04] <sentiment> I'm inclined to disable the automatic shutdown because it seems like a software bug.
[09:07] <tomreyn> shadow_master_: if you're back on 20.04, see whether the oem kernel fixes it.
[09:07] <TJ-> sentiment: k
[09:08] <TJ-> sentiment: that ACPI thermal zone should show up under /sys/class/thermal/ -- be good to check what values its nodes show
[09:09] <sentiment> yeah, I've checked that as well, no difference.
[09:09] <sentiment> I may post this question on the Ubuntu forum.
[09:09] <TJ-> sentiment: what nodes/values does it report? it looks likely one of them is generating spurious values
[09:10] <sentiment> thermal_zone0
[09:11] <TJ-> sentiment: see "man thermal-conf.xml" and "man thermald"
[09:12] <sentiment> oh os I neeoh so i need to use custom config?
[09:12] <sentiment> I've glanced over that file but I thought it was unneeded...
[09:13] <sentiment> anyways thanks
[09:24] <Thaurwylth> Alkisg, you here?
[09:26] <shadow_master_> tomreyn : im a beginner , can you tell me exactly what should i do ?
[09:26] <alkisg> Thaurwylth, yup although from phone
[09:29] <tomreyn> shadow_master_: sudo apt update && sudo apt install linux-oem && sudo apt purge linux-generic-hwe-*
[09:29] <TJ-> shadow_master_: do you see those triangles on the greeter screen, before logging in the user?
[09:30] <tomreyn> shadow_master_: and reboot afterwards. but check with TJ- first, he's got more of a clue than i do.
[09:31] <TJ-> tomreyn: as it appears to hit 2 different installs I'm wondering if common $USER configs have been carried over - else i t makes no sense if MS Windows is fine
[09:32] <TJ-> tomreyn: although... there's another explanation. original 20.04 had the pre-HWE kernel. 21.04 has newer kernel with problem. Reinstall fo 20.04 comes with newer HWE kernel (same version as 21.04)
[09:32] <TJ-> shadow_master_: do you have a record of what kernel version was in use for the original 20.04?
[09:34] <Thaurwylth> Alkisg, do you have something to say about my journalctl output?
[09:36] <tomreyn> TJ-: that's a good theory there.
[09:36] <shadow_master_> TJ: your first question: no , i just see it when i run any program other than system programs
[09:36] <alkisg> Thaurwylth, can you repaste it? I can't scroll up that much
[09:37] <alkisg> shadow_master_, create a new user and login there, to see if its a system issue or a user settings issue
[09:37] <Thaurwylth> https://pastebin.com/w6sG5Z16
[09:40] <TJ-> shadow_master_: OK, as alkisg  suggests, try a new user account - it sounds like some $USER config created whilst running 21.04 is affecting 20.04 too
[09:40] <shadow_master_> TJ: second: yes, you can see all information in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1930279
[09:43] <alkisg> Thaurwylth, do you have many desktop environments installed, or is that plain kubuntu?
[09:43] <alkisg> This message might be an issue: No agents were available for this request
[09:43] <Thaurwylth> U. Studio, which is today Plasma/KDE based. But that's the only one.
[09:46] <Thaurwylth> Well, yeah, that same line also has the 'no secrets' message. And 'Couldn'ty get secrets' is also the human readable error message that appears as a system prompt on the graphical interface.
[09:46] <alkisg> I would test with a livecd (ubuntu mate is a good choice, it has vanilla network-manager and nm-applet), to make sure its an installation misconfiguration issue
[09:48] <Thaurwylth> I only have Studio 21.04 easily available, everything else is going to take some time.
[09:48] <Thaurwylth> Anyways, it is important to note that nothing on the system has changed since May, apart from a probable sudo apt full-upgrade resulting in a slightly newer Ubuntu kernel.
[09:49] <TJ-> Thaurwylth: is kwallet installed?
[09:49] <alkisg> Try to google about nmcli, it allows connecting to wifi while providing the password in the command line
[09:50] <alkisg> Yeh kwallet or some similar agent missing sounds probable
[09:50] <TJ-> !info kwalletmanager | Thaurwylth
[09:51] <TJ-> !info plasma-nm | Thaurwylth
[09:52] <Thaurwylth> kwalletmanager/hirsute,now 4:20.12.3-0ubuntu1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
[09:53] <Thaurwylth> I have actually never entered password into KWallet and I have wondered what it does. Is it supposed to be in use?
[09:53] <TJ-> Thaurwylth: try starting the manager GUI ... that may give you a clue. My guess is you've changed passwords and it it has become desynced from the wallet, so the wallet isn't unlocking
[09:54] <TJ-> Thaurwylth: generally the wallet password is set when the user first sets their Linux user account password
[09:54] <TJ-> Thaurwylth: sometimes, after changing the user password, they don't get synced and the wallet remains locked
[09:54] <TJ-> Thaurwylth: this may not be your issue but it is a common thing
[09:55] <Thaurwylth> Error Code 9 - possibly wrong password [Translation.]
[09:55] <TJ-> Thaurwylth: have you altered your user login password since the account was created?
[09:55] <Thaurwylth> Yes.
[09:56] <TJ-> Thaurwylth: do you recall what tool you used? I know when done from the shell with 'passwd' wallet/secrets libraries don't usually get updated
[09:56] <Thaurwylth> Yes, passwd.
[09:56] <TJ-> Thaurwylth: to access the manager you'll need to be able to recall, and enter, the original password
[09:57] <TJ-> Thaurwylth: ** enter into the wallet manager's password prompt
[09:57] <Thaurwylth> Argh! Luckily I remember it, but this is seriously annoying. Can't be helped, I guess.
[09:57] <TJ-> Thaurwylth: yes, it is not an obvious side-effect of 'convenience' of the passwords being silently synced originally, and the user not being warned
[10:00] <Thaurwylth> Now my wireless connection works. Thank you.
[10:01] <Thaurwylth> A side note: the password it accepted was not the original one but the one I had changed to in the middle.
[10:01] <Thaurwylth> I mean I have had two passwords since the creation of the system.
[10:03] <TJ-> Thaurwylth: I'd guess your 1st password change was done using the GUI tooling, which generally 'knows' about the linkage to the wallet
[10:04] <TJ-> whereas 'passwd' is the low-level system tool with no knowledge of desktop environments and GUIs
[10:04] <Thaurwylth> I am 95 % sure I did both of them with passwd.
[10:04] <TJ-> Thaurwylth: ahh well, at least it is fixed now
[10:04] <TJ-> (until next time!)
[10:05] <Thaurwylth> Yay for getting it fixed!
[10:05] <shadow_master> tomreyn: it  dosen't fix
[10:05] <shadow_master> ed
[10:07] <shadow_master> alkisq: i tried this as well but i still have this problem
[10:08] <shadow_master> i have that triangles even on my xfce desktop that i installed on my ubuntu
[10:09] <alkisg> What's the oldest kernel that you have? ls /boot | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:09] <alkisg> And if you have a live cd, test if it works ok there, and if so, mark the kernel version
[10:10] <shadow_master> 5.4.0-77
[10:11] <alkisg> That's the latest, don't you also have earlier ones?
[10:12] <alkisg> Which one are you booted with, now?
[10:12] <TJ-> !info linux-image-generic focal | shadow_master
[10:14] <tomreyn> shadow_master: cat /proc/version    tells you which kernel you're currently running
[10:16] <shadow_master> tomreyn: 5.8.0-59
[10:16] <alkisg> Try to reboot and select 5.4 in grub
[10:17] <alkisg> See if the problem happens on 5.4
[10:18] <TJ-> shadow_master: I'd recommend you update the motherboard BIOS to latest version too, that may be having an effect. https://www.asus.com/supportonly/P8H61-M/HelpDesk_BIOS/ (current 1204 latest 4801)
[10:21] <tomreyn> shadow_master: when you're done testing, you should undo the oem change then, since it did not help. remove the linux-oem* packages then and install linux-generic-hwe-20.04 again.
[10:30] <shadow_master> alkisq:  i don't think that my motherboard has any updates cuz i have my pc for 10 years  but i will check it out  for new updates
[10:32] <shadow_master> oh i did wrong :) excuse me alkisq
[10:33] <tomreyn> shadow_master:    journalctl -b | grep DMI:     tells ayou what you have
[10:34] <shadow_master> tJ:i don't think that my motherboard has any updates cuz i have my pc for 10 years  but i will check it out  for new updates
[10:35] <TJ-> shadow_master: I already checked, and told you
[10:35] <tomreyn> TJ stated "current 1204 latest 4801", so i assume he must have spotted this 1204 version on some logs / output you shared previously
[10:35] <TJ-> shadow_master: use the link I gave you
[10:36] <TJ-> tomreyn: info was in the bug report shadow_master gave earlier
[10:36] <tomreyn> TJ-: was it shadow_master's bug report, though?
[10:37] <shadow_master> TJ: ok, i ll do it
[10:37] <ilmais1n> hello
[10:38] <ilmais1n> is there any change for packages.ubuntu.com to work ever again?
[10:38] <tomreyn> shadow_master: is bug 1930279 your report?
[10:38] <tomreyn> i mean, did *you* report it?
[10:39] <shadow_master> tomreyn: i thought it is a bug cuz i didn't see that problem in any place
[10:39] <shadow_master> tomreyn: yes
[10:40] <tomreyn> ilmais1n: it's community maintained by a very busy person, has been returning 500 errors for many pages on the first request for a year or two, so i don't strictly expect it to get fixed soon,. you can use rmadison, / dak ls, though
[10:41] <ilmais1n> perhaps it should be retired altogether if there are no resources to keep it running. keeping broken stuff around looks unprofessional
[10:41] <tomreyn> shadow_master: it's certainly a bug, it's just no9t certain where exactly. you should definitely do the bios upgrade with such an old version.
[10:42] <tomreyn> ilmais1n: well, it still has its uses. what does not work for you?
[10:46] <tomreyn> ilmais1n: BIOS version 4702 changelog states  "2.Fixed onboard & add-on VGA card compatibility issue."
[11:25] <shadow_master> alkisq: i can't believe it , it has finally fixed , i did boot ubuntu on 5.4 and it fixed but it is still a bug for 5.8. thank you so much alkisq
[11:26] <Thaurwylth> It's a g.
[11:27] <shadow_master> and thank you too tomreyn and TJ
[11:30] <tudor_> hi, i need help to describe my problem so i can search for bugs. When I use the bluetooth or airplane mode keys on my thinkpad t470, fn-f10 and fn-f8, these don't switch on and off, only off. using rfkill manually works as expected. apparently these keys are not handled by the os directly, at least xev does not shows any keypress, so I don't know where to look for logs.
[11:31] <tudor_> ubuntu 21.04
[11:35] <Thaurwylth> Is this related to the reported issue of the keyboard sending, uh, somethingsomething message code above 255?
[11:36] <Thaurwylth> I heard about this yesterday, here on this channel: https://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~klada/?site=projects&id=logitechkbd
[11:36] <tudor_> Thaurwylth: i doubt it, it's more like reacting to the rfkill state coming from bios/HW, but let me check. after all my problem is that I don't know how this called :)
[11:48] <tudor_> not even evtest shows any keyboard activity when i press fn-f10, but bluetooth gets disabled. And gets disabled again and again, without any enabling.
[11:49] <OnkelTem> Hi folks. I've get a VPS with fresh Ubuntu 20.04 and I cannot start docker there and it fails
[11:49] <OnkelTem> The reason is:
[11:50] <OnkelTem> Running iptables --wait -t nat -L -n failed with message: `iptables v1.8.4 (legacy): can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
[11:50] <OnkelTem> So Ubuntu 20.04 doesn't have nat table or, actually, appropriate module not loaded? what?
[11:51] <OnkelTem> I've got*
[13:40] <goddard> how can you turn ubuntu desktop into ubuntu server?
[13:40] <goddard> or remove the desktop and login screen?
[13:40] <Mekaneck> goddard: better to install the server edition instead of going through all the hassle
[13:41] <Mekaneck> faster too
[13:41] <goddard> ubuntu server wouldn't boot
[13:41] <goddard> but ubuntu desktop did just fine
[13:42] <Mekaneck> weird that ubuntu server won't boot
[13:42] <goddard> yeah so just easier to uninstall the desktop
[13:42] <goddard> i did it before
[13:43] <goddard> but that was with taskel
[13:43] <goddard> taskel isn't in the repos when i searched
[13:43] <Mekaneck> goddard: maybe google it and if you did it before you'd know how to do it
[13:43] <goddard> i think the way i did it before is unavailable now
[13:44] <Mekaneck> which version are you using?
[13:45] <goddard> 21.04
[13:46] <goddard> This disables the gui right?
[13:46] <goddard> sudo systemctl set-default multi-user
[13:48] <Mekaneck> that i don't know, sorry
[13:49] <goddard> yeah it works
[13:49] <Mekaneck> goddard: by the way, isn't it called tasksel? Not taskel
[13:49] <goddard> although i would expect it to show a login prompt like if you pressed ctrl + alt + F3 or something
[13:49] <goddard> or
[13:49] <goddard> oh
[13:50] <goddard> thanks
[13:50] <Mekaneck> if you want to remove the desktop i guess this is the way to go: sudo apt purge ubuntu-desktop -y && sudo apt autoremove -y && sudo apt autoclean.
[13:51] <Mekaneck> according to what i found on the web so far
[13:51] <goddard> cool thanks
[13:51] <goddard> tasksel is so nice
[13:51] <goddard> it lists like everything
[13:52] <Mekaneck> you're welcome
[13:54] <goddard> now i gotta learn how to launch a shell script on boot that i can also have ran as my user and view the process as if I pressed ctrl + z in the term and then fg
[13:54] <goddard> is @reboot in crontab -e good?
[13:56] <goddard> can you send a process to the background with a shell script so it is on when the user logins via ssh?
[13:59] <Nokaji> I have a problem/feature with ubuntu but not on windows, when using dual monitors. I have moniutors side-by-side, same resolution - with windows I can move left/right anywhere on the screen however ubuntu has a barrier for the first third (approx), so I have to effectively jump this hurdle to move from screen to screen, which i find a pain
[14:00] <alex_> do you mean your mouse gets stuck for half a second while dragging a window from a monitor to the other?
[14:01] <tomreyn> ubuntu release, graphics driver, kernel version could help there.
[14:02] <Nokaji> I mean I cannot slide from one screen to another (right to left) at the bottom of the screen, If there are say 1200px heigh, I cannit slide through the first 400px (appx)
[14:02] <Nokaji> I can in one direction but not the other
[14:02] <tomreyn> lsb-release -ds; lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | grep driver; cat /proc/version
[14:03] <Nokaji> I'll take a look tomreyn , thanks - is there a better way to describe this issue or a page about it somewhere?
[14:04] <tomreyn> Nokaji: i think your explanation is good so far, just lacking those details - which you can gather with the commands provided above
[14:04] <tomreyn> you could optionally record a video, too
[14:04] <alex_> i thought you had something like the old sticky edges
[14:05] <Nokaji> it's a permanent barrier
[14:06] <Nokaji> sorry, can;t get commands to work - says "Command 'lsb' not found, did you mean:
[14:06] <Nokaji> "
[14:07] <Nokaji> if I slide along the bottom of the left monitor, it appears about 300px high on the r.h.s. monitor
[14:08] <Nokaji> below 200px on the r.h.s.is where the wall is and i cannot slide to the left below it
[14:08] <Nokaji> 300px*
[14:08] <tomreyn> Nokaji: i had a typo there, try this:   lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/version; lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | grep driver
[14:08] <Nokaji> It's an inspiron laptop, I didn't see any upgrade driver for it
[14:10] <Nokaji> >>> Linux version 5.11.0-22-generic (buildd@lcy01-amd64-025) (gcc (Ubuntu 10.3.0-1ubuntu1) 10.3.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.36.1) #23-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 17 00:34:23 UTC 2021
[14:13] <Nokaji> Ubuntu 21.04
[14:31] <tomreyn> Nokaji: have you tried running the three commands (it's safe to copy and paste them to your terminal)? they would gather all the info for you.
[14:35] <darsie> hi brokenscript
[14:38] <brokenscript> hi
[14:40] <brokenscript> i have a problem with firefox, since i installed Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS today
[14:40] <Nokaji> tomreyn; ah, ... I pasted it as one ...
[14:41] <brokenscript> text and symbols show strange rectangular white artefacts
[14:41] <brokenscript> https://postimg.cc/2LpLpVfz
[14:42] <Nokaji> Ubuntu 21.04
[14:42] <Nokaji> Linux version 5.11.0-22-generic (buildd@lcy01-amd64-025) (gcc (Ubuntu 10.3.0-1ubuntu1) 10.3.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.36.1) #23-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 17 00:34:23 UTC 2021
[14:43] <Nokaji> Linux version 5.11.0-22-generic (buildd@lcy01-amd64-025) (gcc (Ubuntu 10.3.0-1ubuntu1) 10.3.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.36.1) #23-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 17 00:34:23 UTC 2021
[14:43] <brokenscript> https://postimg.cc/crFYC1Rc
[14:43] <Nokaji> lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | grep driver
[14:43] <Nokaji> 	Kernel driver in use: amdgpu
[14:45] <brokenscript> https://postimg.cc/bZjXG8qs
[14:47] <brokenscript> i have a problem with firefox, since i installed Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS today;    text and symbols show strange rectangular white artefacts;   https://postimg.cc/2LpLpVfz  https://postimg.cc/crFYC1Rc  https://postimg.cc/bZjXG8qs  ;  ideas?
[14:49] <ioria> brokenscript, never happened to me; might be a video driver issue or webrender.force settings; i suggest to restart FF in Troubleshoot mode  and state your video card and module in use
[14:50] <brokenscript> Symbols on the page show the artefacts always;  text shows the artefacts when marked;  and the cursor in textfields shows it too
[14:50] <brokenscript> I tried the same pages with chromium ---> no problem
[14:51] <brokenscript> i used ubuntu 18.04 before on the same hardware --->  no problem
[14:51] <darsie> .
[14:58] <darsie> brokenscript: lsmod (and lspci) may be what ioria is asking for.
[14:59] <tomreyn> Nokaji: can you take a screenshot of the (gnome) settings application where you arrange the monitors?
[14:59] <jushur> brokenscript: use a fresh user profile for firefox
[15:05] <Nokaji> tomreyn; I can but you just pointed me to where the problem is, I have/had scaling on the laptop display set to 125% ... when I set it to 100% I no longer have the problem!
[15:05] <Nokaji> so both now at 100%
[15:06] <Nokaji> tomreyn; I'm happy to call that a fix and I'll rejig the display sized through other means, if required
[15:06] <darsie> wb bro (kenscript)
[15:06] <Nokaji> tomreyn; thanks for your patience and efforts and help on this one
[15:16] <tomreyn> Nokaji: hah, glad you worked it out!
[15:23] <Nokaji> tomreyn; I notice I can also adjust where that barrier is by shifting the relationship on the graphic, showing two monitors side by side, e.g. I can have that hurdle/barrier at the top, instead ... anyway, v. glad to have resolved it
[15:26] <tomreyn> Nokaji: i'm glad YOU did. ;-)
[15:31] <brokenscript> i created a new profile in firefox. did not seem to help. the artefacts are still there.  i did a refresh of firefox. did not seem to help.  lspci gives me this:  https://pastebin.com/dqujUg7z  ;  lsmod gives me this: https://pastebin.com/qfQWe6jv
[15:41] <brokenscript> i have gone to FireFox troubleshooting mode.  and now?
[15:42] <brokenscript> int FF troubleshoot mode there are no artefacts in the marked text. and no artefacts in symbols
[15:45] <brokenscript> i have gone to FF truobleshoot, check.  posted modules and graphic card, check. tried creating new profile, check. and have done a refresh of FF.  what else can i do?
[15:45] <jailbreak> brokenscript, turn off gfx.web all in about:config to see if that helps.
[15:48] <brokenscript> the problem with the artefacts is not present in troubleshoot mode.  to check if it helped, i have to go back to normal mode
[15:51] <brokenscript> in about:config  i have:  gfx.webrender.all     is it that what you mean jailbreak?   it was set to "false" to begin with
[15:57] <jailbreak> brokenscript, search for force disable gfx.webrender.all
[15:58] <jailbreak> brokenscript, make sure to exit ff and re-open to see if it helps.
[15:59] <jailbreak> 3 lines, exit.
[16:01] <brokenscript> search for force disable gfx.webrender.all  ???  what do i serch for?
[16:01] <brokenscript> *search
[16:04] <brokenscript> gfx.webrender.all is set to "false" to begin with. ican set it to true and then to false again.  what else could i do with it?
[16:07] <ioria> brokenscript, Troubleshoot Mode turns off hardware acceleration , features and   customizations so i'd start from them; if it 's  an Intel bug (sna/uxa)  you should have errors in your syslog/dmesg
[16:07] <darsie> wb brokenscript
[16:07] <sixwheeledbeast> I have gfx.webrender.all true on ubuntu, what hardware?
[16:08] <ioria> intel
[16:08] <brokenscript> https://pastebin.com/qfQWe6jv  lsmod
[16:08] <ioria> brokenscript, Troubleshoot Mode turns off hardware acceleration , features and   customizations so i'd start from them; if it 's  an Intel bug (sna/uxa)  you should have errors in your syslog/dmesg
[16:08] <brokenscript> https://pastebin.com/dqujUg7z   lspci
[16:11] <brokenscript> i have turned gfx.webrender.all to "true" and back to "fals2.  then i have restarted FF in troubleshoot mode. and restarted again in normal mode. the artefacts are there in normal mode. i have to go ask what a syslog/dmesg is
[16:12] <jailbreak> brokenscript, it's really not hard mate. just disable force acceleration. I don't know the exact name (google will) but search for web.render.force.disable or something iirc.
[16:13] <jailbreak> sec let me ss.
[16:13] <jailbreak> brokenscript, there you go: https://i.postimg.cc/L4cQkTxM/Screenshot-from-2021-07-03-17-13-24.png
[16:14] <jailbreak> disable that, fully exit FF and re-open. see if it still happens.
[16:15] <brokenscript> thx.  will do
[16:15] <ThinkT510> jailbreak: out of curiosity, what are you using for your i3status?
[16:16] <jailbreak> ThinkT510, custom.
[16:16] <ThinkT510> jailbreak: looks good
[16:20] <brokenscript> thank you very much. i have set gfx.webrender.force-disabled to "true"  and then restarted.   the artefacts are gone. thank you jailbreak.  does it have any sideeffects?
[16:27] <darsie> brokenscript: *If* (I'm not sure) it disables hardware rendering, it would slow down rendering. Maybe break some webpages, dunno.
[16:29] <brokenscript> if it is just slower, then i am happy with that. if it "breaks" websites, then hopefully i will remember, that i changed this setting.
[16:30] <brokenscript> thank you all for yor help and for your time.
[16:30] <brokenscript> *your
[17:41] <mrus> does anyone know what gsettings set command is needed in order to set the dark version of a GTK theme?
[18:02] <alkisg> mrus: no, but you can run `dconf watch /`, do the change, and see the key in the output of dconf
[18:48] <user217_> 2
[18:48] <user217_> !paste
[18:49] <user217_> !pastebinit
[19:00] <olle> Hm, seems like dmesg doesn't detect at all when I connect my Samsung tablet via USB. My USB keyboard works fine. I've tried multiple ports.
[19:00] <olle> The tablet reacts with a loading popup
[19:01] <olle> I'm running a minimal window manager, openbsd-cwm. Hm. mtp-detect detects nothing.
[19:01] <olle> fdisk -l doesn't show it either. Maybe I'll reboot the tablet and see.
[19:02] <Mekaneck> change the usb setting on the tablet....
[19:02] <alkisg> udevadm monitor
[19:02] <alkisg> Is the strongest there is. Like hulk
[19:02] <olle> alkisg: no such package?
[19:02] <olle> Oh, it's installed
[19:03] <olle> Mekaneck: Running with debug on, on usb
[19:05] <olle> Really weird, udevadm shows *nothing* when plug in or out the tablet ><
[19:05] <olle> Maybe go via router instead, wifi?
[19:06] <olle> Or bluetooth
[19:10] <Mekaneck> if you were pn Gnome you could use GSConnect instead
[19:10] <Mekaneck> pn/on
[19:11] <olle> Testing Samba now :d
[19:17] <user217_> what is pastebin hat put output  derectly from terminal to online raw ?
[19:18] <alkisg> date | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:26] <olle> So both Firefox and Chrome blocks access to default Samba port 137 and 139?
[19:26] <olle> Port 445 just loads with nothing happening
[19:29] <user217_> alkisg: thanks here :)
[19:50] <alkisg> :)
[20:04] <olle> Hm
[20:04] <olle> Samsung doesn't like protocol SMB2 it seems
[20:07] <olle> Had to set NT1
[20:21] <olle> Bah, running a file server with a Ruby one-liner worked out of the box, `ruby -run -ehttpd . -p8000`
[20:21] <tomreyn> olle: is this a web log, or are you looking for help with something?
[20:22] <tomreyn> something ubuntu related, ideally
[20:26] <olle> "Public learning" xD
[20:26] <olle> I'm done now, sorry
[20:26] <olle> But, I prefer to solve my solution after I've found it.
[20:30] <alkisg> Solve the solution? :)
[20:31] <olle> oops
[20:31] <olle> share*
[20:48] <Hypervisor1> Hi
[21:04] <Guest39> Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu 21.04 on my mom's laptop but I'm having weird screen "glitches" that makes it unusable. The whole screen is shaky/wavy. On the live USB I have no issue, this is only after installing Ubuntu and booting on it.
[21:04] <Guest39> The laptop has an Nvidia graphic card, using ubuntu-driver autoinstall didn't solve the issue.
[21:05] <Hypervisor1> Try Lubuntu, its lighter-weight/faster
[21:05] <Hypervisor1> Similar in function
[21:05] <toddc> Guest when you boot the installer add the nomodeset option
[21:06] <Guest39> toddc where do I add that?
[21:07] <toddc> Guest39: grub menu 1sec I am looking for a guide
[21:09] <tomreyn> !nomodeset
[21:09] <Guest39> I just had a look at nomodset, is this to disable the graphic card ?
[21:10] <toddc> Guest yes it will just work with minimal grafics then after install you add the nivdia driver done
[21:11] <tomreyn> "nomodeset" is to temporarily disable "kernel mode setting", a mechanism used by the proprietary nvidia graphics driver for interfacing with the kernel.
[21:11] <tomreyn> it would enable you to install all the pending updates, which *may* make the proprietary graphics driver work properly on the next reboot
[21:12] <Guest39> ok
[21:14] <tomreyn> Guest39: bios updates can also help with such problems. this command, run in a terminal window, would return your mainboard / laptop model and its current bios version:  journalctl -b | grep DMI:
[21:15] <toddc> Guest39: when the grub menu come up during install press E and it open a new window to add teh nomoset option tehn do normal install and after reboot go to addl drivers and add teh nvidia
[21:16] <toddc> Edit my bad spelling
[21:17] <Guest39> tomreyn, Bios is a bit old, from 2015, I might try updating it at some point
[21:17] <Guest39> toddc, I'm still trying to get into the grub menu. Pressing Esc at startup takes me to grub command line
[21:18] <toddc> Guest39: e at grub menu not esc
[21:19] <Guest39> I know, I can't get into the grub menu yet
[21:19] <EriC^^> Guest39: try holding shift
[21:19] <Guest39> Did that too, no luck, I have UEFI
[21:20] <toddc> Guest39: are you booting from the install media?
[21:20] <Guest39> nope, I installed to disk already
[21:21] <toddc> if you have no data it a bit easier to reinstall or if you can open the addl drivers and install the new nvidia driver that will work too
[21:22] <EriC^^> Guest39: you mentioned esc gives you a grub command line, type "configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg" there and it should load the menu
[21:23] <EriC^^> try "normal" first as that might work too
[21:24] <Guest39> Thanks for the suggestion Eric^^ but I finally got in. I was messing around with the BIOS earlier and had turned on Legacy BIOS option. Switching back to UEFI fixed the issue, I'm in the grub menu now.
[21:26] <EriC^^> Guest39: great, press "e" to edit the ubuntu entry, and add "nomodeset" in the line that says "linux /boot/vmlinuz...... quiet splash"
[21:30] <Guest39> Alright just did it and I can already see the wavy are there :/
[21:30] <Guest39> They appear on the splashscreen even before ubuntu GUI appears
[21:32] <EriC^^> what driver do you have installed right now?
[21:33] <EriC^^> if you can get a terminal open, type "lshw -c video" and pastebin it somewhere
[21:35] <Guest39> I should have installed nvidia-driver-460  using ubuntu-drivers earlier. Will send the pastebin in a sec
[21:36] <Guest39> https://pastebin.com/SM5GSma5
[21:37] <tomreyn> Guest39: while you're at it, also post    dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:39] <tomreyn> nvidia 460 is likely too new for this hardware
[21:40] <Guest39> tomreyn I checked compatibilty on nvidia this should be supported. Also the issue appears at the very first boot after installing ubuntu
[21:41] <Guest39> tomreyn http://termbin.com/hwdv
[21:43] <Guest39> I see some reference to "nvidia_modprobe" in dmesg, does that mean the 'nomodset' in grub didn't work?
[21:45] <bailsman> libmysql-java seems to be gone from ubuntu20 - anyone know why? I found a reddit post telling me to install libmariadb-java but not sure if that's actually a drop in replacement
[21:46] <tomreyn> Guest39: indeed, the proprietary driver was loaded
[21:47] <Guest39> hmmm, ok let me try that again
[21:49] <Kon> Xorg upgrades used to be part of the HWE stack up through 18.04. Are there any plans to include Wayland upgrades for HWE?
[21:50] <tomreyn> Guest39: regarding bios upgrade - this probably won't help, you're just one version behind, and the latest doesn't list any fixes: https://download.lenovo.com/consumer/mobiles/abcn96ww.txt
[21:50] <bailsman> How do I search packages that don't have a repo? I have mysql-server-5.5 installed apparently, because it shows up in dpkg -S /etc/mysql and apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.5 shows it is not from any repo. But it does not show up in aptitude search ~o
[21:50] <bailsman> I want a full list of packages on the system that don't have a repo
[21:51] <tomreyn> Kon: this might be a question for #ubuntu-x (if your patience lasts for a day or two)
[21:52] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | bailsman
[21:52] <bailsman> tomreyn: Thanks! That's very helpful.
[21:53] <bailsman> Found the reason - they're packagse marked residual-config
[21:53] <tomreyn> bailsman: so which ubuntu version do you have? lsb_release -ds
[21:53] <bailsman> tomreyn: Thanks, I appreciate it.
[21:54] <Guest39> tomreyn oh ok, thanks for checking. I re-tried setting nomodset in grub and I still see nvidia_modprobe in dmesg.
[21:54] <tomreyn> bailsman: mysql 5.5 on any ubuntu release whose version number starts with "20." seems wrong for sure
[21:54] <tomreyn> Guest39: it's "nomodeset"
[21:55] <Guest39> tomreyn jesus christ.... Ok I'll try that again, my bad
[21:55] <Guest39> One more thing, I noticed I get an error message every time I restart "package shim-signed 1.47+15.4-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade ...." Not sure if this could be related?
[21:57] <tomreyn> Guest39: maybe. you should probably disable "secure boot" in bios.
[21:57] <Guest39> will gladly do.
[21:57] <Guest39> Riiiight, using nomodeset I don't have the screen glitch anymore
[21:57] <Hypervisor1> Try Lubuntu
[21:59] <Guest39> Hypervisor1 I might give it a try if I can't fix the issue.
[21:59] <tomreyn> Guest39: you also no longer have hardware accelerated graphics with it. so this is really just a workaround to regain control of your graphical user interface to enable to fix whatever needs fixing to make the nvidia proprietary driver work well. or to remove it, if you want to try your luck with nouveau.
[21:59] <Hypervisor1> Lubuntu is light weight
[21:59] <Hypervisor1> It may be easier on your laptop
[21:59] <bailsman> tomreyn: That's very helpful, thank you.
[21:59] <Hypervisor1> Or if the graphical glitch is debian specific
[22:00] <Hypervisor1> Ubuntu*
[22:00] <Hypervisor1> Try Debian
[22:00] <tomreyn> Guest39: lubuntu uses the same kernel, graphics stack, i don't see how it would help  you with the graphics issue.
[22:00] <Hypervisor1> Lubuntu uses a different DE
[22:00] <Hypervisor1> LXQt
[22:00] <Hypervisor1> You can also Try Debian, though Debian feels like a 2008 OS
[22:00] <Hypervisor1> it still works properly
[22:00] <Hypervisor1> Or Trisquel
[22:00] <Hypervisor1> trisquel.info
[22:02] <tomreyn> Guest39: i suggest focussing at the issue at hand before trying out other linux distros.
[22:03] <Guest39> tomreyn that's my plan yeah. I think I got excited too quick, nomodeset fixed the wavy lines on splashscreen but it's now stuck on the splashscreen
[22:04] <tomreyn> Guest39: you probbaly don't need to play with nomodeset because - from what i understood - you were still able to access and use the terminal when the proprietary nvidia driver was loaded.
[22:05] <Guest39> correct
[22:05] <Guest39> I could use the laptop normally, just the scree was all messed up.
[22:06] <Guest39> it' like horizontal lines on the whole screen, or like the edge windows, letter, images that get all "jumpy"
[22:06] <tieinv> a
[22:06] <Guest39> I could make a video but not sure where to upload it
[22:07] <tomreyn> Guest39: make sure you install any pending upgrades, though. and i'd still suggest trying an earlier proprietary nvidia driver. another option would be nouveau, the (incomplete) open source driver, which you'd get after fully uninstalling / deconfigurng the proprietary driver.
[22:07] <Guest39> I ran apt upgrade and I'm fully up to date, I'll try an older version of Nvidia driver. Also keep in mind I had this issue even before I installed the driver.
[22:08] <Guest39> Right after the fresh install the issue began
[22:08] <tomreyn> your dmesg suggests acpi issues with the nvidia graphics card
[22:08] <tomreyn> !acpi_osi *might* help
[22:08] <tomreyn> !acpi_osi *might* help | Guest39
[22:09] <tomreyn> !acpi_osi
[22:15] <Guest39> tomreyn Just tested "acpi_osi=!" in grub and that didn't work, I'll try with "acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=Windows 2015" as mentioned in your article ubottu
[22:16] <Guest39> If that doesn't work either I'll try an older driver and if that still doesn't work I'll try Nouveau
[22:16] <tomreyn> Guest39: "acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=Windows 2015" in the article is an example. the article also explains how to determine suitable values for the second parameter.
[22:17] <tomreyn> Guest39: did you disable secure boot, yet, and have you tried whether that fixes it already?
[22:17] <Guest39> no doing it now since I need to reboot anyway
[22:19] <Guest39> nope no luck with secure boot, I'll grab the correct Windows version and will try the acpi_osi thingy
[22:19] <oerheks> if that lenovo gives GTX840/860, use a lower driver? 430 or 440 ?
[22:23] <Guest39> right acpi_osi method didn't work, I'll try a different driver.
[22:35] <jacke> anyone tried slimbook pro x? what is your experience of it compared to other?
[22:50] <Guest39> Well I think I'm gonna give up ...
[22:51] <Guest39> I've tried the latest nvidia driver 460, an older one 440, disabled everything and apparently ubuntu automatically loads Nouveau. Nothing worked.
[22:52] <Guest39> I might try Ubuntu 20.4 I've heard a few complaint about 21.4
[22:53] <Hypervisor1> what was wrong with 21.4
[22:54] <Hypervisor1> 21.4 has documented/reported graphic glitches?
[22:54] <Hypervisor1> Try Debian... its old, it feels old, but its still fully funtional
[22:56] <Hypervisor1> And Debian is pretty stable and well supported
[22:56] <Guest39> Something to do with Wayland, Xorg and the Nvidia driver. And some stability issues. As I said, ultimately my mom is going to use it so I want to make it appealing and esay to her.
[22:56] <Hypervisor1> Trisquel!
[22:57] <Hypervisor1> Try Trisquel.info, Trisquel 9 MIni
[22:57] <Hypervisor1> Trisquel 9 Mini
[22:57] <Hypervisor1> Its light, fast, and stable
[22:57] <matsaman> Guest39: what was wrong with nouveau?
[22:57] <Guest39> matsaman I'm having screen issue since I installed Ubuntu, I've tried multiple drivers including Nouveau and none fixed the issue
[22:58] <matsaman> what kind of issues
[22:58] <jushur> Guest39: do the liveimage have the same issue?
[22:58] <Guest39> jushur no live image is fine
[22:59] <jushur> so it is a config issue.
[22:59] <matsaman> well, or the live image was using another device, like onboard graphics
[22:59] <Guest39> matsaman it's kind of hard to explain, the whole image is like shaky/wavy with what looks like horizontal lines.
[22:59] <Guest39> On the right edge of the screen I can also see artifact of the window I have open
[22:59] <matsaman> Guest39: that does sound like merely a software issue
[23:00] <jushur> id advice against running it like so, that means bad config wich can destroy your hardware.
[23:00] <matsaman> hardware failure looks different, IME
[23:00] <Guest39> It was running win 10 earlier today and no display issue
[23:00] <matsaman> what you can do is boot the live OS and see which driver is being used
[23:00] <jushur> Guest39: what does logs say?
[23:01] <Guest39> jushur, which one?
[23:01] <Guest39> I posted dmesg earlier, apparently there was some acpi issue another user spotted so I tried messing around with acpi_osi to no avial
[23:01] <jushur> X/Wayland dmesg nvidia?
[23:02] <matsaman> what make/model computer?
[23:02] <jushur> acpi dont make this kind of issue
[23:02] <koala_man> I was about to ask how to get the gui interface for vlc, but I installed vlc-plugin-qt and there it goes
[23:02] <jushur> bad EDID read can do, bad driver config can.
[23:03] <Guest39> Lenovo Z70
[23:03] <Guest39> http://termbin.com/hwdv
[23:06] <matsaman> Guest39: that's a geforce 840m?
[23:06] <Guest39> correct
[23:07] <jacke> What are ppl using Wayland or X?
[23:07] <niksen> xwayland
[23:07] <matsaman> doesn't matter
[23:07] <matsaman> Guest39: which nvidia driver version/s did you try?
[23:08] <Guest39> matsaman 460/440/390 and Nouveau is apparently loaded automatically by Ubuntu when no other drivers are being used
[23:09] <matsaman> 460.84?
[23:10] <tomreyn> Guest39: indeed, nouveau should be used automatically if the configurations for the "nvidia" driver (which niclude a configuration that explicitly prevents loading "nouveau") had been been removed
[23:10] <tomreyn> so it's good to verify that nouveau is actually being used when you're trying to
[23:11] <jushur> Guest39: do you have a toggle in bios for enabling/disabling IGP or deciding what GFX card is master? i see i915 in the dmesg log so it is loaded.
[23:11] <Guest39> tomreyn it was selected in the driver list so I'm assuming it was
[23:11] <tomreyn> matsaman: the termbin log says 460.80
[23:12] <tomreyn> Guest39: i would also assume it to work then
[23:12] <Guest39> jushur not sure I'd need to check
[23:13] <matsaman> may as well try 460.84
[23:13] <jushur> only the latest driver should be used, the old ones has verfied/known exploits..
[23:14] <Guest39> I was just using the one marked as recomended by the ubuntu-drivers utility
[23:14] <tomreyn> i guess i'd install 20.04 LTS and try the vanilla kernel with either nouveau or 390
[23:15] <tomreyn> (after making another note to never again buy nvidia)
[23:15] <matsaman> or, again, check what driver the live OS is using (although it might be for your onboard graphics instead of the nvidia)
[23:15] <Guest39> I ran "lspci -nn | grep -E "VGA|Display" on both the live image and the installed Ubunutu and I get the same result "VGA Compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation HD Grpahics 5500"
[23:16] <matsaman> Guest39: grep -i for nvidia shows nothing?
[23:16] <jushur> im betting its using the intel i915 modeset driver
[23:16] <matsaman> jushur: fair bet
[23:18] <Guest39> jushur I have a Graphic Device Setting in the BIOS and it's set to "Discrete"
[23:18] <jushur> Guest39: that is the nvidia one then
[23:18] <Guest39> Other option is "UMA Only" (Enable integrated graphic only)
[23:18] <jushur> do you have "auto" option?
[23:18] <jushur> ah
[23:18] <Guest39> nop
[23:18] <matsaman> if your BIOS has a 'set to defaults' option, that might be worth a go, too
[23:19] <matsaman> and if your bios has an update, unfortunately sometimes that will matter also
[23:19] <matsaman> usually the changelog will tell you, though
[23:19] <Guest39> It's a pretty old BIOS and I'm only one version behind the latest
[23:20] <jushur> Guest39: i think you need to block intel modeset also, block its driver from loading
[23:21] <tomreyn> i don't think so
[23:21] <matsaman> alternatively, the intel graphics will almost certainly be fine for your use case
[23:21] <matsaman> and will use less power
[23:21] <tomreyn> unless she wants to play game son it
[23:22] <jushur> any modeset in kernel driver will interfere with nvidia driver
[23:22] <matsaman> she'd probably be the first person with a GNU/Linux-installing age child in history to want that
[23:22] <Guest39> xD
[23:23] <jushur> Guest39: just uninstall nvidia, go bios and set it to UMA mode by default.
[23:23] <Guest39> She most definitely won't, but I don't have access to my gaming desktop right now so I might ^^
[23:23] <jushur> well then there is an issue :D
[23:23] <tomreyn> yes, the issue that you don't have access to your gaming desktop
[23:24] <Guest39> I'll try the UMA only option though for science
[23:24] <tomreyn> that'll work fine
[23:26] <Guest39> I ran lspci on live image grepping for nvidia and I see the same thing as with the installed one, 3D controller: Nvidia [.....] Geforce 804m
[23:28] <tomreyn> lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999     would tell you which driver is loaded
[23:29] <Guest39> will do, just turned on "UMA only" option and I still have the issue ...
[23:29] <tomreyn> doh, sorry then, bad prediction. ;)
[23:30] <jushur> Guest39: boot the liveimg on it
[23:31] <Guest39> live image still good with UMA only
[23:31] <Guest39> I'll go back to discrete since it doesn't make any diff and will run tomreyn command
[23:32] <Guest39> By the way thanks everyone for your help <3
[23:33] <jushur> Guest39: id say reinstall with UMA only, skipp all driver install of nvida..
[23:33] <Lutin> hi guys, does the docker-ce package add the iptable rules ?
[23:37] <Guest39> tomreyn http://termbin.com/9uk2 That's on the installed ubunutu, I see the i915 that jushur was mentioning earlier
[23:37] <Guest39> I'll try on liveimg now
[23:37] <IRCMonkey> Setup Installation [partitioning] question: So when I'm down to specifying my [last] Root partition size, do I allocate it with everything remaining —like down to the last MB in free space or ?
[23:38] <IRCMonkey> How much do I allocate for /var & /tmp ? Also, if I specify Root partition size then I don't need to seprarately specify Home partition size ?
[23:38] <tomreyn> Guest39: and you don't see the nvidia? that's after undoing the bios option for "internal only", right?
[23:39] <Guest39> correct, it's now using the "discrete" setting
[23:39] <Bashing-om> IRCMonkey: My thoughts on partitioning - leave 5 or so gigs free for future aspirations.
[23:40] <tomreyn> discrete should be nvidia, though, it should not or not only see the internal one
[23:40] <IRCMonkey> Ohhh
[23:40] <IRCMonkey> Thank you
[23:41] <Guest39> tomreyn Nvidia is listed further down the list as 3D Controller http://termbin.com/vu2t3
[23:41] <Guest39> Same output as with the live image
[23:41] <tomreyn> Guest39: doh, i need to update that grep, thanks
[23:42] <Bashing-om> Guest39: What are you doing that you want to depart from a defaukt partitioning ? ^^ can lead to a lot of un-used disk space.
[23:42] <Guest39> Bashing-om I think you meant to ping IRCMonkey
[23:43] <Bashing-om> Guest39: OH ! wires crossed again :(
[23:44] <IRCMonkey> I have a 1.5 Ghz Celeron Dual-Core budget Dell lappy with 8 Gigs RAM —will it be able to handle Ubuntu ? Also my Windows 10 takes 20 minutes to boot to desktop, will Ubuntu be faster ?
[23:44] <IRCMonkey> Ubuntu minimum requirements say 2 Ghz Dual-Core processor.
[23:44] <Bashing-om> IRCMonkey: ^^ wasted disk space - even with large drives in-expensive is still a waste :D
[23:44] <IRCMonkey> What if I use MATE Desktop or something.
[23:45] <IRCMonkey> What's wasted disk space ?
[23:45] <IRCMonkey> I have a 500 GB HDD
[23:45] <IRCMonkey> Oh you meant the allocations ?
[23:46] <Bashing-om> IRCMonkey: Ubless you have a real need - I suggest the only seperate partition now-a-days is /home.
[23:46] <cbreak> zfs ftw
[23:46] <IRCMonkey> Ohhh gotcha
[23:47] <IRCMonkey> Not even "/" Root ?
[23:47] <tomreyn> IRCMonkey: unless you have broken hardware, ubuntu should boot faster with these specifications.
[23:47] <IRCMonkey> So I just allocate Swap & Root "."
[23:47] <IRCMonkey> - "/"
[23:47] <jushur> IRCMonkey: you can install ANY desktop enviroment and it should still be faster then windows.
[23:47] <tomreyn> IRCMonkey: 500 GB HDD sounds like it must be stone age and possibly falling apart, though
[23:47] <Bashing-om> xfs for servers with lots of data storage - can not be bettered - desktop still hard to beat ext4 - IMHO :D
[23:48] <jushur> IRCMonkey: if you can buy a cheap ssd and put in instead of that hdd it will be blazingly fast compared to now.
[23:48] <IRCMonkey> Ohhh
[23:49] <IRCMonkey> It takes 20 minutes for Windows 10 to boot to the desktop.
[23:49] <Bashing-om> IRCMonkey: No - a default install will make up a 'swap file' which is much more effecient these days.
[23:50] <IRCMonkey> So if I select default Erase HD & Wipe Everything it will create only 1 parition & all the space will be available for me in Home to save files to ?
[23:50] <IRCMonkey> Or should I manually specify ?
[23:51] <IRCMonkey> I was thinking of:: { 8 GB = /tmp |8 GB = /var |700 MB = /boot |13 GB = swap |80 GB =  /root |390.3 GB = Home }
[23:51] <jacke> IRCMonkey: dd your HD b4 you do it..
[23:51] <IRCMonkey> dd ?
[23:52] <IRCMonkey> SSD ?
[23:52] <tomreyn> if this is going to be used as a personal computer, then just use the default partitioning.
[23:52] <IRCMonkey> So I will havent 80% of space to use on Home ?
[23:52] <jacke> dd if=/dev/<you HD> of=myHDbackup.raw
[23:53] <IRCMonkey> Oh backup
[23:53] <jacke> diskdupe
[23:53] <IRCMonkey> Yeah I plan on backing up my ebooks & movies onto USB sticks.
[23:53] <Bashing-om> IRCMonkey: A new ubuntu user ? Take the easy route untill you know better and do that "erase disk and install". However there is a lot to be said for good in a seperate /home partition.
[23:54] <IRCMonkey> Yeah I have a 500 GB Hard disk, I want around 400 GB for my personal files —got lots to save !
[23:54] <Guest39> Bashing-om agreed
[23:55] <IRCMonkey> I've used Ubuntu once before for a short period (Jaunty Jackelope) was having trouble installing via Software Packager, was crashing.
[23:55] <tomreyn> if you'll really want to install to this hdd then it's probably a good idea to do a SMART check of it before you do.
[23:55] <tomreyn> !smart | IRCMonkey
[23:55] <tomreyn> you can do so from the installer / live system
[23:56] <IRCMonkey> All right
[23:58] <IRCMonkey> How much space will be available to me in my Home if I just select Erase Everything & Install to HDD (the default automatic option)
[23:59] <IRCMonkey> I require around 400 GB for my files to save from my USB sticks […]
[23:59] <Guest39> All of it minus what's required for the system (not much)