[01:53] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:15] <ducasse> good morning
[13:30] <stevenm__> bigpod, yeah
[13:30] <stevenm__> but still RDP instead?  ick
[13:30] <bigpod> well in windows it works realy well and its realy quick
[13:31] <bigpod> so rather that than something that is crap
[13:31] <stevenm__> I know the days of drawing instructions (early RDP and X11 forwarding) are over as codecs are now more efficient ... but still *some* alternative to RDP would have been nice
[13:31] <stevenm__> something more home grown in the linux camp
[13:31] <bigpod> well something realy good like that is kinda hard to make require a lot of time
[13:31] <goddard> depends on your client
[13:31] <stevenm__> not unless RDP gets an RFC :P
[13:32] <goddard> VNC has a ton of clients
[13:32] <goddard> and different servers
[13:32] <goddard> its just a protocol 
[13:32] <stevenm__> well unless VNC gets a crap load quicker - it's poop
[13:32] <goddard> what do all those game streaming services use?
[13:33] <stevenm__> probably some patent-laden video codecs no one has heard of
[13:33] <goddard> valve has been pretty open lately
[13:33] <daftykins> xrdp has been workable for me for a tinkering desktop Linux VM i occasionally reach over a VPN
[13:33] <goddard> he wants a rdp server for linux
[13:34] <daftykins> that's what xrdp does
[13:34] <stevenm__> who is 'he' ?
[13:34] <goddard> oh really i thought it was only a client
[13:34] <goddard> i use xrdp before it was good
[13:34] <daftykins> install it on a desktop install, log out of the session... instantly you can reach that host using the Windows RDP client (mstsc)
[13:35] <daftykins> i haven't dug into the level of security it employes, just seen it work
[13:35] <daftykins> -e
[13:35] <stevenm__> daftykins, does the xrdp version have multi monitor support and remotefx?  because the freerdp server implementation in gnome 40 doesn't
[13:36] <daftykins> couldn't tell you
[13:37] <daftykins> i mean those are backend features when RDP is used from Windows hosts, so expecting it to be in place on a Linux desktop would seem unlikely
[13:37] <daftykins> not both necessarily but certainly the latter
[13:37] <stevenm__> actually they're working on it from what I've heard
[13:38] <daftykins> specifically the xrdp 'project'?
[13:38] <stevenm__> no I'm referring to g-r-d using freerdp
[13:39] <ducasse> a quick search indicates remotefx works with intel and amd when xdp is built with glamor support
[13:40] <ducasse> *xrdp, sorry
[13:41] <bigpod> those streaming services generaly build with the codecs we heard of but they use stuff like GPUs too speed encoding and such
[13:42] <bigpod> well microsoft has been doing some pull requests on freerdp lately
[13:42] <stevenm__> spoke with the guy who wrote this... https://gitlab.gnome.org/-/snippets/1778
[13:42] <stevenm__> but I don't think it's xrdp related (as I think xrdp is specific to x11... and this is wayland territory)
[13:43] <stevenm__> maybe we can get pipewire clients for windows - and somehow do it that way? :D
[13:44] <stevenm__> course pipewire would have to carry the graphics, the sound & things like keyb/mouse, printers, etc...
[13:44] <stevenm__> but at least it wouldn't be us recreating some shitty MS proprietary protocol
[13:44] <stevenm__> a worthy successor to X11 forwaring / NoMachine 3 / X2Go 
[13:45] <daftykins> easy on the language please, no need to get like that over software politics