[10:18] <bigcalm> o/
[10:18] <zxm-pi> \o
[10:19] <daftykins> \o/
[10:19] <daftykins> coffee #1 on deck
[10:20] <bigcalm> Opinions differ at work - https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/1413079610934317062
[10:23]  * zxm-pi hugs bowl of wheatabix
[10:28] <daftykins> i watch a bit of US baseball timezone permitting, but mostly just laugh if the team sucks - never did understand the emotional reactions of sportball fans
[10:30] <daftykins> it's really just background noise :D
[10:34] <zxm-pi> last thing i watched that would be considered a sport was robot wars back in the 90s :-)
[10:36] <MattJ> \o/
[10:36] <daftykins> heh
[11:04] <zxm-pi> how is it different from a sport like formula 1, motorbike racing than a tech competition
[11:06] <daftykins> my laugh wasn't challenging the claim of it being a sport
[11:07] <zxm-pi> there are those that would
[11:07] <daftykins> oh no doubt
[11:08] <daftykins> sent me off in a brief reminiscing stint about seeing that on BBC2 on some old 14" JVC portable TV in my parents kitchen
[11:08] <zxm-pi> would be nice if they had a drone racing league sport on tv. maybe there is, my last tv died 10+ years ago
[11:24] <diddledan> <3 Robot Wars
[11:31] <bigcalm> Myrtti: congratulations :)
[11:35] <daftykins> psst what are we congratulating?
[11:38] <Myrtti> daftykins: https://twitter.com/myrtti/status/1413088115678457862
[11:39] <diddledan> yey
[11:39] <daftykins> ooh officially a mainlander eh?
[11:39] <diddledan> one of us!
[11:40] <daftykins> also mmm pain au chocolat
[11:40]  * diddledan hungy now
[11:43]  * daftykins chuckles at a client that wants to get lost in mail forwarding rather than letting the right people receive the things in the first place
[13:08] <Myrtti> the whole passport thing was so extremely infuriating and stressful
[13:09] <Myrtti> I purposefully decided to leave the application to 2020 for many reasons, but the global panettone made things absolutely crackin'
[13:09] <daftykins> i'll bet
[13:09] <daftykins> UK gov tried to take over the production of our ones a bit ago, imagine how much of a chore that would become...
[13:11] <Myrtti> an uncle I don't ever remember meeting died  (obviously in Finland) in the middle of the first lockdown and I had to somehow prove being alive and able to inherit with all the consular services and public notaries shut
[13:12] <daftykins> blech, hope that at least had the luxury of being casual on time
[13:12] <Myrtti> so I did that with a passport that had expired two weeks previous and getting neighbors to sign a letter saying I was who I said, alive and well
[13:13] <Myrtti> with 16 people waiting for me to send the paperwork so they could get their inheritance too
[13:13] <diddledan> oof
[13:17] <Myrtti> fortunately one is allowed to apply every second passport without a visit to the embassy or the Finnish police so I could apply for my passport online
[13:17] <Myrtti> every second == every other
[13:18] <Myrtti> but that process, while cheaper, doesn't ship overseas
[13:18] <daftykins> oy
[13:19] <Myrtti> fun fact: laminated coffee bags such as Lavazza, can block RFID
[13:20] <Myrtti> so I took the risk of having the passport lost in the mail over using public transport to get to London to apply for a passport
[13:23] <Myrtti> but in the end it all turned out ok. I got my 1/64 of the inheritance, got my passport, got the application in and by a miracle (to my catastrophe reverting brain) even approved. I wonder how long it takes for the fact to fully be absorbed into my psyche
[13:23] <Myrtti> it's been very rough five years
[13:24] <daftykins> 5 years on the passport?
[13:25] <Myrtti> well I've been on eggshells since the referendum, but yes, Finnish passports are also only 5 years max
[13:59] <bigcalm> Is there a way of writing this as a single chmod command? sudo chmod -R 0664 uploads && sudo chown -R +X uploads
[14:02] <MattJ> I wish. I never understood why permission assignment isn't atomic. Sometimes I use the 'install' command to achieve this though.
[14:03] <daftykins> i normally only call chown to change user ownership, not quite sure what you're doing with it there that shouldn't already be achieved by chmod
[14:33] <diddledan> a great (read: terrible) command to run is `chown -R nobody:nobody .*`
[14:33] <diddledan> (try it on a box you don't mind losing)
[15:30] <bigcalm> Oops, I wrote the line incorrectly. Should have been chmod in both instances :|
[15:33] <daftykins> ah har, well in the second half it seems like you're recursively added execute permission despite already using octal 664 earlier
[15:33] <daftykins> s/added/adding/
[15:42] <bigcalm> 0664 sets everything (including directories) to -rw-rw-rw-. The +X sets the executable bit on directories only.
[15:42] <bigcalm> s/-rw-rw-rw-/-rw-rw-r--/
[15:43] <bigcalm> Essentially I want all files to have the permission 0664, but I need all directories to have 0775
[15:49] <webpigeon[m]> +X also sets execute if someone already has execute according to the man page, "execute/search only if the file is a directory or already has execute permission for some user (X),"
[15:54] <bigcalm> Hence setting 0664 first. So that all files have uniform permissions
[15:56] <bigcalm> I've tried using setacl before now. But never got it to work as hoped - any new file or directory created to get preset permissions and ownership, and not allowed to change it
[15:56] <daftykins> penguin42 did a presentation on all this for the Manchester LUG not long ago, may well be worth prodding him when he's about :D
[15:59] <bigcalm> Interesting
[20:16] <daftykins> diddledan: any chance you could check the M1 compatibility of an Apple store app? returning to a client my parents electrician is subcontracting me on tomorrow - and his little bird hutch wifi cameras have some lovely chenglish software :D
[20:17] <daftykins> oh it's not even store based, it's a dodgy direct DMG download - i bet this is unsupported - http://downloads.spycameracctv.com/VMS/software/VMS_Mac.dmg
[20:17] <diddledan> it might work via rosetta
[20:18] <diddledan> gimme a mo to get to me mac
[20:18] <daftykins> is that still free?
[20:18] <daftykins> ty sir!
[20:19] <daftykins> it's from these people fwiw - https://help.green-feathers.co.uk/support/solutions/articles/43000440457-wired-hd-ip-bird-box-camera-1st-2nd-gen-setup-on-windows-pc-apple-mac-ncip2-ncip9-
[20:41] <diddledan> seems to work fine as far as it launches without too much issue - you need to right-click and choose "open" the first time, because it's not signed so gatekeeper blocks execution
[20:42] <daftykins> *nod* thanks my good man!
[20:43] <diddledan> that might require that you set your mac to "app store and other apps" permission in settings app
[20:43] <daftykins> now i just need to make the kit the sparky provided the client with work with the rubbish TP-Link Deco mesh wifi system they were sold by a local shop
[20:43] <diddledan> the grey items at the bottom of this page https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/JOmUk9KG/image.png
[20:44] <daftykins> yip yip
[20:44] <daftykins> i find it weird how you have to give Big Sur permission to move the mouse pointer
[20:44] <daftykins> :D
[20:44] <diddledan> getting as bad as Windows?
[20:45] <daftykins> i think worse in a lot of ways, because everu one of the security technologies were bypassed recently - and progress bars are by far the worst on macOS now 
[20:45] <daftykins> *every
[23:02] <daftykins> to bed!
[23:12] <zxm-pi>   o/