[08:29] <daftykins> morning, morning!
[08:31] <zxm-pi> o/
[08:32] <daftykins> i must return to the client with the bad wifi and such today
[08:34] <zxm-pi> bad wifi. 21st century problems
[08:34] <zxm-pi> the cat pictures aren't downloading fast enough! :-P
[08:34] <daftykins> also a house full of Apple stuff so it's like a pit of snakes ;)
[08:35] <zxm-pi> well... obviously they're downloading things the wrong way :-P
[08:39] <daftykins> wb bigcalm \o happy Friday!
[08:39] <bigcalm> Boo-ya
[08:39] <bigcalm> Happy Friday to you as well
[08:41] <bigcalm> Off to Lytham St. Annes for the weekend after work today. Apart from long walks along the sea front, what else is there to do there?
[08:42] <bigcalm> I guess another activity would be to avoid Blackpool (just along the coast)
 penguin42 did a presentation on all this for the Manchester LUG not long ago, may well be worth prodding him when he's about :D
[10:42]  * bigcalm spies penguin42
[10:43] <penguin42> huh what where ?
 I've tried using setfacl before now. But never got it to work as hoped - any new file or directory created to get preset permissions and ownership, and not allowed to change it
[10:44] <bigcalm> I've had to resort to running a string of chmod commands now and then to ensure files are kept in line
[10:44] <penguin42> ooh lets see if I can find the pres
[10:45] <penguin42> http://www.treblig.org/talks/manlug-attrsandfriends.pdf
[10:45] <bigcalm> Eg: sudo chmod -R 0664 uploads && sudo chmod -R +X uploads
[10:45] <bigcalm> Cool, thank you :)
[10:47] <penguin42> what are you trying to do?
[10:48] <bigcalm> A client has contracted a 3rd party to run WordPress on a server we maintain. I need to keep the uploads directory in check, and ensure that permissions are maintained without having to manually change things
[10:49] <bigcalm> I'm looking for a quiet life :
[10:49] <bigcalm> :)
[10:49] <penguin42> oh, that problem....
[10:49] <penguin42> bigcalm: So, hmm, have you tried setgid on the directory?
[10:50] <bigcalm> No, not heard of that
[10:50] <penguin42> bigcalm: https://www.toptip.ca/2010/03/linux-setgid-on-directory.html
[10:51] <bigcalm> Oh, sticky bits - never got my head around those
[10:51] <bigcalm> Thank you, I shall absorb more information
[10:52] <penguin42> bigcalm: I think you can set a default on a directory as well for acls, so that any file created in the directory gains the acl automagically
[10:58] <penguin42> bigcalm: https://www-uxsup.csx.cam.ac.uk/pub/doc/suse/suse9.0/adminguide-9.0/node27.html    has a thing at the bottom on defaultacls; it's similar to that setgid except for acls; you set it on a dir and then anything created in that directory gains that acl
[10:58] <bigcalm> Including directories and their sub directories?
[10:58] <penguin42> yep
[10:59] <bigcalm> Yay
[11:03] <penguin42> bigcalm: Watch out that your backups preserve these, or reset them on restore; most things dont bother with acls and the like by default
[11:04] <bigcalm> Noted
[13:47] <penguin42> right; oven door fixed, cake in
[14:34] <bigcalm> Mmmm, cake
[14:34] <bigcalm> This weekend's treat will be ice creams at the coast
[14:39] <penguin42> https://mastodon.org.uk/system/media_attachments/files/106/551/142/876/501/984/original/0d9c568ea1e0cc6b.jpeg  stage 1
[14:40] <bigcalm> Pardon my drool
[14:40] <bigcalm> Hope it's moist inside
[15:22] <bigcalm> A while back I pulled two 1TB crucial SSDs from a microserver. They were part of a RAID 1 array that was going wonky. Is there a way for me to test the state of the SSDs and determine if they are good enough for use in a desktop or old laptop? (not in an array)
[15:33] <penguin42> if they're sata, smartctl should give you something
[15:37] <zxm-pi> wouldn't manufacturers have software that would give some stats on their current status?
[15:39] <penguin42> zxm-pi: I think they do; but smartctl normally gives you a fair chunk - e.g. mine shows a 'SSD_Life Left' and lifetime read/write totals
[15:49] <bigcalm> Looking at the SMART output on KDE Partition Manager
[15:49] <bigcalm> "Powered on for" states "707:00:00"
[15:50] <bigcalm> Is that 707 hours, no minutes, no seconds, or 707 days, no hours, no minutes?
[15:50] <bigcalm> 707 hours is less than a month
[15:50] <zxm-pi> i'm guessing days
[15:50] <bigcalm> They were running for many many months
[15:51] <bigcalm> 707 days is 1.93 years
[15:53] <bigcalm> Amazon said I ordered them in April 2020. And I shut down that micro server in February this year
[15:53]  * bigcalm shrugs
[15:54] <bigcalm> I'll check the other SSD
[15:58] <daftykins> penguin42: any PC parts news?
[15:59] <daftykins> bigcalm: i find smartmontools for smartctl's output still so much easier to read than the GUI tools
[15:59] <bigcalm> Just what I had to hand really
[16:00] <bigcalm> The 2nd SSD was powered on for 711:00:00
[16:00] <bigcalm> 4 hour difference might have been from when I was extracting data from the one working drive in the array
[16:01] <bigcalm> Seems to think the drive is okay.
[16:01] <bigcalm> Wonder what to do with it now :)
[16:02] <daftykins> a zero fill of them can be handy to check if any bad blocks get discovered, beyond that - i'd ensure the firmware is current and throw into service to see what it'll do
[16:02] <daftykins> there's always filling it with data and hashing to compare against originals i suppose, bit manual though
[16:05] <daftykins> ah, so glad i wrestled all these IP bird cameras into submission today, identified the fault as the electricians network cabling today
[16:06] <bigcalm> These two SSD were in an HP Proliant N54L. When I tried to use them in a DELL PowerEdge R520, the hardware RAID controller wouldn't see them
[16:06] <bigcalm> Hence no longer being in use
[16:07] <bigcalm> I guess I could try and put them both in my desktop and then download my entire Steam library
[16:08] <daftykins> typically consumer drives can either be outright blocked, or a controller firmware update is needed to permit them
[16:08] <bigcalm> Yes, I assumed that they would be blocked
[16:08] <daftykins> i've got an R620 and R820 that played ball with the Dell PERC H710 cards and consumery SSDs once firmware updated
[16:08]  * penguin42 is reassembling his Ryzen
[16:08] <bigcalm> I have Iron Wolf NAS spinning rust in the server now
[16:09] <bigcalm> s/NAS/NAS drives
[16:09]  * bigcalm gives up typing
[16:09] <daftykins> penguin42: nice! Scan sent you back your original board and a new CPU presumably?
[16:12] <penguin42> daftykins: Yep, new boxed CPU
[16:15] <daftykins> these folks almost tried to get me to sit through setting up fax on some old inkjet in their place among many other tasks, lol
[16:15] <daftykins> i was pretty negative about this
[16:16] <penguin42> is there something to simulate awful fax print quality?
[16:16] <daftykins> xD
[16:17] <daftykins> maybe if i took one of their cats and had it age the paper with clawmarks
[16:19] <zxm-pi> print at 10dpi? :-P
[16:20] <daftykins> hrmm couldn't get a huge Ricoh multifunction colour laser scanning to an SMB share on the lady's shiny new M1 mac mini though, digging into it online right now
[16:21]  * zxm-pi casts same ward evil charm that i reserve for printers at mention of scanners
[16:22] <daftykins> i could browse to the mac's file share myself, but yeah i might not be aware of the correct incantation to use to have the big laser do so :)
[16:29] <zxm-pi> i always remember giving up on the supplied software and using twain on windows to access scanner from something like irfanview
[16:29] <daftykins> maybe with USB attached devices yeah, in this case the laser scans to a samba file share
[16:29] <daftykins> or rather refuses :D
[16:32] <bigcalm> Can the printer reach anything?
[16:33] <daftykins> the client has nothing Windows based and i wasn't willing to sit there and open up my own laptop to configure a test samba share, so i said i'd do some research and get back in touch 
[16:34] <daftykins> it's not critical, these people just seemed to make a list of every printer they owned in the property and were forcing me to go through each one :(
[16:34] <zxm-pi> ah network scanning. replaces cast ward evil incantation and reaches for exorcism kit with sledge hammer and stakes
[16:34] <daftykins> i even watched as the lady tried to download a driver on the M1 machine which i had already said was incompatible
[16:35] <daftykins> impressive level of stubbornness - especially as i had said that on Monday xD
[16:43] <daftykins> i reckon firmware on the machine will be a worthy avenue to pursue, there's a Windows-only updater utility published my Ricoh... 
[16:47] <daftykins> it was already 4:30pm when i exhausted my first round of options, so i didn't fancy entertaining any further research on-premises as i had to get gone :D
[16:49] <penguin42> right, cake now fully topped and marked; https://mastodon.org.uk/system/media_attachments/files/106/551/649/134/495/069/original/bcd556a67f56ab19.jpeg
[16:50] <daftykins> ooh
[17:09] <bigcalm> Weekend \o/
[17:17] <daftykins> and then he was gone
[20:29] <penguin42> damn that's a good cake
[20:30] <daftykins> :D
[20:30] <daftykins> how far along is the PC? ;)
[20:30] <penguin42> daftykins: Booting!
[20:31] <daftykins> ooooh \o/
[20:31] <penguin42> daftykins: So, I've just had it booting off one M.2 and it seems happy; question - what would you expect to be max cpu temp flat out for a 16core ?  I've got to 72c running md5sum /dev/zero on 16 cores
[20:32] <daftykins> hmm, did you say you have the retail 'sink with it, or a third party chunky thing?
[20:32] <penguin42> cake: Note as normal I went OTT on the chocolate in the topping, so it's a bit hard in the fridge
[20:32] <penguin42> daftykins: They don't seem to do retails
[20:33] <daftykins> ah that's right, seem to recall the high tier ones are considered enthusiast enough folks do their own thing
[20:33] <penguin42> I have a 'be quiet! PureRock2 Sil Cooler'
[20:34] <daftykins> i don't think i'd be concerned at that temp with all-cores, what's your ambient level like - somewhere in the 20s?
[20:35] <penguin42> yeh it's warm in here tonight, 27c
[20:35] <daftykins> ah ha, yep i wouldn't pay it any mind then :)
[20:36] <penguin42> daftykins: I've tried an IR thermometer at the top of the fin stack on the cooler, and it doesn't get above 30
[20:37] <daftykins> perhaps the fresh paste will bed in over a while, you could always take another stab at the application if you feel there may be room for improvement
[20:37] <daftykins> i quite like the arctic mx4 i picked up last - after being stuck in London and needing something in a pinch
[20:37] <penguin42> I did a *LOT* less paste this time
[20:38] <penguin42> mx4 was what I previously had on, not quite sure where my tube went; used akasa 455 this time
[20:39] <daftykins> yeah, probably just seasonal variance then - idle temps must be reasonable?
[20:39] <penguin42> yeh
[20:40] <penguin42> daftykins: I'm wondering about one of those sealed water cooler/radiator things?
[20:40] <daftykins> heavily overrated imo 
[20:41] <penguin42> hmm
[20:42] <daftykins> they seem a bit 'PC ricer' orientated just like heavy RGB :D kinda doing it for the cool factor (the non-temps kind ;) ) and not really a justifiable benefit
[20:42] <penguin42> daftykins: I wish I had a feel for 'normal' - what a CPU like that should get to - I guess lower the better
[20:43] <daftykins> let me run it by a friend who either has similar or knows someone who does 
[20:43] <daftykins> i found my friend's 5 3600 to seemingly run quite hot when we did it, but he seems to be getting by on the stock heatsink so far - not that he's looking at temps i'm sure
[20:43] <penguin42> oh thanks; I still feel I owe your Essex mate something
[20:44] <daftykins> hehe ah he doesn't mind at all - although you may recall i was looking for a PCI NIC for that old Pentium III i cleaned up a while back, so i would graciously accept the either Intel 10/100 or 3com 3C905-TX or similar you offered some months ago upon posting it back down to him?
[20:45] <daftykins> by chance he's coming to the island at the end of the month
[20:45] <penguin42> oh, that I can do - I've got a box full of PCI NICs
[20:46] <daftykins> very cool :D thanks! i'll pop his address to you by email at some point
[20:47] <penguin42> thanks, I may have it on his address label; just need to check how to post them
[20:48] <penguin42> right, easy
[20:49] <daftykins> ah okie dokie, sounds like he has fancier postal stuffs than me xD
[20:49] <daftykins> my other pal who is also a Dave just confirmed your temps sound absolutely fine :)
[20:50] <penguin42> how long has his CPU lasted :-)
[20:50] <daftykins> lol
[20:51] <penguin42> daftykins: So it's PCI NICs you want?
[20:51] <daftykins> he says a very long x264 encode job on his 3900x can reach those temps with his 280mm all in one water cooler
[20:51] <daftykins> yeah just the one please, networking that old Pentium III Dell would be great!
[20:52] <penguin42> ok, I'll get that done sometime this week
[20:52] <daftykins> something with native win9x driver support would be all the better, but so long as i can source a driver i'm sure it'd be grand
[20:53]  * penguin42 should have some that fit that
[20:53] <penguin42> daftykins: I'll see what temps I hit on a LO build, ... after I rebuild my RAID
[20:54] <daftykins> :D
[20:54] <penguin42> daftykins: What's the all in cooler he has?
[20:54] <daftykins> i shall ask, he's impressed how quick you got your replacement CPU - how long was it between your Thursday collection by DPD and Scan's turnaround?
[20:55] <penguin42> daftykins: DPD collected thursday, delivered to Scan Friday, Scan showed it received and tested on the Saturday
[20:56] <penguin42> daftykins: They showed 'completed' on Monday, and I received the package on the Tuesday
[20:57] <daftykins> he says he has the NZXT Kraken X62, but belives the Arctic Freezer II 280mm is cheaper with better performance
[20:57] <daftykins> wow that's impressive, i'm sure proximity helps xD
[20:58] <daftykins> bonus on that other is no RGB!
[20:58] <penguin42> oh god RGB
[20:58] <daftykins> such a danger of modern kit
[21:01] <penguin42> right, I need to check my case to see where that radiator would go - it's got a big top panel I think would be fine
[21:01] <daftykins> that's the main problem i think, having a compatible case that lets you mount things so it doesn't add to problems
[21:02] <daftykins> hmm i wonder what AMD's published max is for that one
[21:02] <daftykins> the thing with the temps is i think they can be read in so many ways on the AMDs that it can be quite misleading
[21:03] <penguin42> daftykins: There's about 4 different ones
[21:03] <penguin42> right, that Arctic freezer looks promising, some measruements to be done
[21:04] <daftykins> :)
[21:07] <daftykins> Andy might even be game to buy your current cooler off you for his much lower TDP Ryzen 5 3600 if you upgrade
[21:07] <daftykins> 65W that one
[21:08] <daftykins> he runs his desktop 24x7 but as i say i don't think he'll be keeping an eye on the temps - i wasn't fond of them when i did the build summer of 2019
[21:10] <daftykins> hmm motherboard compatibility seems to be a no
[21:47] <penguin42> yeh the mb compatbility is a bit weird
[21:49] <daftykins> i forget if i linked the EEVBlog youtube video where Aussie Dave is trying to bodge a heatsink onto a cheap build he kinda scored
[21:49] <daftykins> he bent fins over so it would clear the RAM :D
[21:50] <penguin42> ah yeh
[21:51] <penguin42> daftykins: The mountings are insane; this Bequiet removes the two bars on the board, replaces them with their own brackets, and then you have this ally bar that bolts between those and over the transfer plate/bottom of the heat pipes
[21:51] <daftykins> :D
[21:52] <penguin42> but then you've got this big chunk of metal hanging sideways, held by luck against gravity
[21:53] <daftykins> it makes you want to rob a child's lego collection to build a safety support
[21:54] <penguin42> mechano :-)
[21:54] <daftykins> hehehe
[21:54] <daftykins> k'nex!