[00:02] <Guest6210> toddc to give more info, I want to get gnome-calendar into the notification center, as that's the only one missing
[00:27] <toddc> Guest6210: this will show you haow to add wigets
[00:27] <toddc> Guest6210: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1273953/user-icon-at-top-left-corner-in-ubuntu-20-04
[00:28] <Guest6210> toddc I was talking about widgets in the notification center, not desktop icons
[01:54] <ashwin> hello, i'd like to use ubuntu 20.04, but for amdgpu opencl reasons the kernel can't be higher than 5.4.0-54, but the 4.19 series really is too old. This surely is possible no?
[02:07] <sleepymario> i'm ashwin with the kernel q btw
[02:28] <DarkTrick> did `intltool` become `intltool-debian` in 21.04 ?
[02:29] <DarkTrick> apparently the package `intltool` is not installable anymore ?
[02:30] <Flannel> DarkTrick: I see it.  It's in universe: https://packages.ubuntu.com/hirsute/intltool
[02:31] <DarkTrick> Flannel, "Package 'intltool has no installation candidate"
[02:32] <DarkTrick> I have a clean installation
[02:32] <Flannel> DarkTrick: Have you (1) enabled universe, and (2) updated your package list?
[02:33] <DarkTrick> ah no
[02:37] <DarkTrick> Flannel, thank you! worked now
[02:37] <Flannel> DarkTrick: Glad it got sorted out!
[04:04] <morgans> This is adumb question but it is mine. How do I get all windows to vanish and show the desktop? Is there a better way (on off) than to click the - on each window one at a time?
[04:05] <yukiup> it is possible
[04:06] <sleepymario> morgans:  depend on your DE
[04:07] <sleepymario> if you use gnome, i think there's an extension for it if i remember correctly
[04:07] <sleepymario> there surely are other ways
[04:07] <yukiup> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2020/07/set-up-hot-corners-ubuntu-20-04/
[04:07] <yukiup> morgans
[04:08] <sleepymario> morgans: or https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1194/show-desktop-button/
[04:17] <morgans> mm, thanks yuklup
[04:22] <quadrat> morgans or just use super d, you can also edit it with gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.keybindings show-desktop
[04:25] <morgans> super-d RI;ES/
[04:25] <morgans> RULES
[04:25] <morgans> thanks to all but especially quadrat.  Hey rat, where in the world are you? I am in socal.
[04:27] <Saxle> <3 Gnome
[04:29] <yukiup> <3 ubuntu
[04:30] <morgans> https://imgur.com/NH9erVf results
[04:32] <yukiup> nice pattern
[05:59] <thyriaen> if i upgrade from 20.04 to 21.04 how much breakage can i expect ?
[06:16] <black_13> how do i build a source package with source information on
[06:16] <black_13> or modify a source package
[06:18] <ThinkT510> thyriaen: you'll need to upgrade to 20.10 inbetween
[06:19] <ThinkT510> thyriaen: 21.04 is not an LTS release. any reason you want to use it?
[06:20] <ThinkT510> not that I'm discouraging using normal realeases. it just seemed odd to want to go from an LTS release to a non-LTS
[06:23] <ducasse> thyriaen: as long as you purge any ppas first you should be fine
[06:27] <thyriaen> oki
[06:27] <thyriaen> ducasse, thanks
[06:28] <ducasse> thyriaen: use ppa-purge
[06:28] <ducasse> !ppa-purge
[06:29] <thyriaen> will do, thanks
[06:31] <ducasse> thyriaen: one of the guys here wrote a tool that makes it a little easier, it's called ppa-tool and you can find it on github. don't have the link atm
[07:34] <DarkTrick> I get an I/O error in my folder, can I do something about it?
[07:34] <DarkTrick> "ls: reading directory '.': Input/output error"
[07:44] <rfm> DarkTrick, check the syslog for disk errors; if you have them probably a disk going bad, back up everything your can and replace it...
[07:45] <EriC^^> DarkTrick: probably a good idea to run a smart test on the hdd
[07:46] <Sa_arc> Hello i have installed an ubuntu vm using this image: https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/focal/current/focal-server-cloudimg-amd64.img. When i try to install qemu-guest-agent, it says unable to find package, the package can be found at: https://ubuntu.pkgs.org/20.04/ubuntu-updates-universe-amd64/qemu-guest-agent_4.2-3ubuntu6.16_amd64.deb.html/ My apt repo is setup properly(i think): deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[07:46] <Sa_arc> focal-updates universe Any help is much appreciated.
[07:50] <Sa_arc> i opened this file: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal-updates/universe/binary-amd64/Packages.gz to confirm excistence of package. Its there...
[07:50] <DarkTrick> rfm, syslog shows this: ntfs_mst_post_read_fixup_warn: magic: 0x6d783f3c  size: 4096   usa_ofs: 8300  usa_count: 25974: Invalid argument
[07:50] <DarkTrick> ntfs-3g[6843]: Actual VCN (0x213c0a3e3f22302e) of index buffer is different from expected VCN (0x0) in inode 0x1fb58
[07:51] <DarkTrick> This is a very recently (since 21.04) supported SD card; I could imagine this is some kind of driver bug
[08:06] <ducasse> DarkTrick: more likely it's a damaged card or maybe filesystem
[08:07] <DarkTrick> ducasse, good to know
[08:07] <weedmic> SD cards wear out (hence why we use mostly spinning discs - which we have yet to hve a 10tb one break - not even one)
[08:10] <Sa_arc> omg .....i had to run apt update first....
[08:10] <Sa_arc> worx now thx
[08:15] <DarkTrick> weedmic, the SD card is in use for about 3 month...
[08:18] <weedmic> they can only be written to a certain number of times, then they die.  when created (on linux), one can leave 10-20% unassigned, then the OS will replace bad spots with those unassigned ones, giving it the "look" of lasting longer.  Unless you used that SD for something very not dynamic, it will wear out.  like rfm stated, test it.  then you'll know
[08:19] <weedmic> nice to hear Sa_arc
[08:20] <DarkTrick> weedmic, I'm running a VM on it...
[08:22] <Sa_arc> @weedmic, while i am thinking about this, its weird to even get in the state in first place..you have the correct repo, there are no problems reported, and it just serves your corrupt content...with exitcode 0 :)
[08:31] <weedmic> DarkTrick: imho, the worst thing one can use an SD for (unless you know you need to replace it often), is a DataBase.  It would seem to me that a VM changes constantly, but... you should ask another.
[08:31] <weedmic> Sa_arc: you english was beyond me (aka I did not grep your statement)
[08:33] <Sa_arc> @weedmic, no problem. I think it is strange that a apt update is needed before the system is able to get all the packages.
[08:33] <Sa_arc> @weedmic, the system should be aware it local cache is not up to date and should issue a apt update or at least report it
[08:34] <Sa_arc> @weedmic, imho
[08:34] <weedmic> oic - you can do network installs - where you connect via ip at boot, then it downloads files actually needed as you go - but... except for some very old motorola box for apple, i've never like it that way.
[08:35] <weedmic> maybe the update was the "list" - english uses the same word for so many meanings.
[08:37] <Sa_arc> @weedmic, most of the time i am using os that are using rpm/yum. So my dpkg/apt is kinda rusty :)
[08:39] <DarkTrick> weedmic, but shouldn't an SD card be like an ssd drive? and VMs work on SSD drives just fine
[08:41] <weedmic> ssd wears out too.  y not test it?  clonezilla it to something else (a device or file), then put it in a tester.
[08:48] <weedmic> soz - posted in wrong place - search for this in google "how do you test a hdd in ubuntu" and read the popup instrucitons.  >DarkTrick
[08:50] <DarkTrick> weedmic, well.. I'm actually running a VM on an SSD for 5 years every day and never had a problem...
[09:18] <weedmic> DarkTrick: nice to hear.  so why not test the SD?
[09:24] <DarkTrick> weedmic, trying, but it's not easy
[09:24] <DarkTrick> gnome-disks wont work
[09:24] <andrews> Hi, how do I install Haskell on Ubuntu
[09:24] <DarkTrick> smartctl cant detect the type
[09:25] <gotcha> hey guys, anyone know what '/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv' is ? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/vTvgdKtZnH/
[09:25] <weedmic> i do not know what haskell is - sounds like a cpu from intel to me, but that is haswell i believe.
[09:25] <sixwheeledbeast> sd cards don't have the same protection from wear leveling as ssd
[09:25] <DarkTrick> smart status "unknown"
[09:26] <weedmic> turn smart on, reboot the machine, see if it gathered any data - that response is usual for when it is off
[09:28] <DarkTrick> weedmic, how do I turn smart on?
[09:29] <weedmic> give me a min - i might a bit busy atm
[09:32] <weedmic> well, my notes have this to look - which may intimate that the answer is in cmos - smartctl -x /dev/sda
[09:32] <oerheks> andrews, see ghcup https://www.haskell.org/ghcup/
[09:32] <weedmic> but, still looking
[09:32] <weedmic> and smartctl  -all /dev/sda | grep Power_On_Hours (total time device was used)
[09:32] <oerheks> andrews, and seek support in #haskell here on libera
[09:33] <weedmic> DarkTrick:  - this might help - i have to return to lab now - https://askubuntu.com/questions/207573/how-to-enable-smart
[09:34] <DarkTrick> weedmic, thank you!
[09:34] <weedmic> see if it works for you first
[10:06] <jjbuggle> I just upgraded from 20.10->21.04 and I'm having a postfix error.  Says there is a missplacecd delimiter on my main.cf postfix file.  But this is being generated by the setup.  I've tried editing the file, but it get's replaced
[10:06] <jjbuggle> *gets
[10:10] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1333199/apt-update-encounters-an-error-configuring-postfix-after-upgrade-to-21-04
[10:10] <oerheks> seems like your issue too;;
[10:10] <oerheks> there seeems to be a solution, ..
[10:12] <jjbuggle> thanks.  Also, fwiw, there is a bug report too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postfix/+bug/1929786    but I don't know if there is enough info there
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> jjbuggle: if you can reproduce the bug, feel free to fill a comment on the bug ID
[10:15] <jjbuggle> well, the fix fixed it, ie, deleting the main.cf
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> jjbuggle: seems like it in bug #1531299
[10:22] <jjbuggle> lotuspsychje: I don't know.  I'm not sure what's happening in that bug.  Also, my error is that .. is being added to the hostname.  That's 2 dots
[10:23] <jjbuggle> I also don't understand why the bug report I mentioned is marked as triaged, when the person marking it so could not reproduce it
[10:24] <lotuspsychje> check the dupes of the bug jjbuggle
[10:26] <jjbuggle> checking...
[10:32] <jjbuggle> lotuspsychje: I'm not seeing the relationship.  Yes, all postfix configuration bugs, but I haven't configured postfix.  I don't even know why it is installed on my system
[10:34] <oerheks> postfix is standard installed, AFAIK.
[10:36] <jjbuggle> yeah, and it could have been installed when I installed something else, like some development thing
[10:37] <jjbuggle> The only configuration that I did was to select the defaults during the upgrade
[10:37] <jjbuggle> I'm just going to update the bug I found with what info I can.  Thanks all!
[10:38] <oerheks> :-)
[11:28] <moffa> What's the command to lookup the services that act on a port, for example 22 is ssh?
[11:28] <Lutin> Hi guys, anyone running gluster geo-replication on Ubuntu ? I'm running into the following error and I think it's Ubuntu related because there are some other issues you run into as well on Ubuntu compared to CentOS/RHEL https://pastebin.com/KZATinMn
[11:30] <oerheks> lsof -i port
[11:32] <moffa> I don't think thats it: lsof: unknown protocol name (ssh) in: -i ssh
[11:34] <oerheks> no, port = 22, so; lsof -i 22
[11:35] <oerheks> err
[11:35] <oerheks> lsof -i :22
[11:35] <Lutin> oerheks that's fine as I can use passwordless login
[11:36] <oerheks> ?
[11:37] <Lutin> you need to to set this up, to create the session
[11:37] <oerheks> i have no clue about glusterFS .. and surely not interested in Centos issues
[11:45] <Lutin> oerheks no but as gluster is centos/rhel based you might end up with issues on Ubuntu which i do ;0
[11:45] <Lutin> ;)
[13:36] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:35] <bancroft> I have a bunch of base64 at the end of a coredump, is there a good core dump analyzer to help me figure out the problem?
[14:38] <oerheks> gdb can, see https://askubuntu.com/questions/434431/how-can-i-read-a-crash-file-from-var-crash
[14:38] <oerheks> apport-retrace -g CRASHFILE.crash. Note that you need to have the -dbg packages installed to get a good stack trace.
[15:05] <john_rambo> When I connect my bluetooth headphone with my Linux desktop (usb bluetooth dongle) I hear cracks in sound but when I connect the same headphone with my Nokia phone I hear no cracks. So something in wrong with either at software or hardware level. So I was wondering is there a way to fing the bluetooth signal strenght ? If I find its below acceptable value I will buy a new dongle.
[15:37] <yolo_> gnome bases off gtk+ toolkit, kde bases off qt toolkit, what about openbox and icewm etc? are they both having their own gui-toolkit?
[15:37] <yolo_> that is, some x11 libraries
[15:58] <rapid16> I installed Ubuntu Focal inside WSL and then installed Ubuntu Desktop. However, when I boot Ubuntu it does not load the Desktop. I know this isn't Windows support, but I'm wondering if there is a Linux answer.
[15:59] <oerheks> interesting, wsl is not meant to be a desktop, one can run apps
[15:59] <oerheks> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/tutorials/gui-apps
[16:03] <creechy> ppl have run things like VxSrv in Windows and get Linux desktops running inside them.
[16:03] <creechy> https://medium.com/@dhanar.santika/installing-wsl-with-gui-using-vcxsrv-6f307e96fac0
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> see also:
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> !ubuwin
[16:06] <sleepymario> installing ubuntu takes 1/10th of the time of installing winblooz though
[16:07] <oerheks> yes, due to not entering any serial number
[16:07] <oerheks> registration email and spam..
[16:26] <PeGaSuS> recently my HDD went RIP and I had to reinstall Windows+Xubuntu in dual boot. I remember I had to click on "I don't have internet" to be able to create local accounts... it was a pain
[16:26] <jailbreak> !ot | PeGaSuS
[16:26] <athena_> hello
[16:27] <athena_> anyone here?
[16:27] <jailbreak> hi athena_, how can we help? :-)
[16:27] <athena_> I have a problem that I've tried multiple solutions to.
[16:27] <jailbreak> sure... what "problem" ?
[16:27] <athena_> I want to install Drupal.  Drupal prefers the LTS server based version of Ubuntu and all of the isntructions are written for that.
[16:28] <athena_> But when I wanted a graphical interface, and I loaded on, my network wouldn't set up.
[16:28] <oerheks> oh again kubuntu on top of server?
[16:28] <athena_> So I was told to use Kubuntu. But it's been imposslbe to install Drupal using  the instructions in Kubuntu
[16:28] <oerheks> boring..
[16:28] <athena_> Yes, that was me yesterday
[16:28] <oerheks> you have been told many solutions, athena_
[16:28] <athena_> Now I'm on Kubuntu proper
[16:28] <athena_> I followed the last one.
[16:29] <athena_> I am on Kubuntu.  It doesn't work
[16:29] <athena_> I didn't understand the solution you gave me to get the network working
[16:29] <athena_> which is probably what I need
[16:30] <athena_> from Ubuntu server with KDE or Kubuntu on top
[16:30] <athena_> or gnome
[16:30] <athena_> I've spent over 8 hours trying to install drupal on this system you suggested.
[16:31] <athena_> It is different and teh dependencies are different.  It doesn't work
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> athena_: its ok for you to experiment, but please focus on 1 question at the time here, instead of your whole story
[16:32] <athena_> OK.  How do I get the system to recognize a network card with internet on it, when the system doesn't see it.
[16:32] <athena_> What tool can I use?
[16:32] <athena_> DHCP can see it, but if I install the server version it doesn't do DHCP for my window manager
[16:32] <movah4c> hwinfo, lshw
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> athena_: sudo lshw -C network will show you your network devices + their drivers
[16:34] <athena_> Or is there a Kubuntu version that is the same as the server version (ie LTS)
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> athena_: the same?
[16:35] <athena_> but how can i get the drivers to work if my package manager won't recognize the internet connection I have?
[16:35] <athena_> LTS
[16:36] <athena_> basically the same code underneat with KDE on top
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> !flavours | athena_ go visit ubuntu's flavour websites for more info
[16:36] <athena_> KDE was mostly what I used for 7 years on Simply Mepis
[16:37] <athena_> But Kubuntu doesn't seem to work with the instructions for installing Drupal
[16:38] <athena_> So is there support for getting my network card working if I try with the server version again?
[16:38] <athena_> because I dont' know what to do with ther results of sudo lshw -c
[16:40] <athena_> And the solution of loading Kubuntu doesn't work
[16:40] <athena_> I think because Kubuntu doesn't have a LTS version
[16:42] <athena_> That's my question
[16:43] <Mekaneck> seriously... installing Drupal on kubuntu should be the same as on ubuntu.... the base is ubuntu after all
[16:43] <athena_> It isn't the LTS
[16:43] <athena_> It has different code
[16:43] <athena_> the directiosn were written for an LTS release
[16:43] <Mekaneck> athena_: Kubuntu has a lts version
[16:43] <alkisg> Install the LTS version then!
[16:43] <athena_> on a server version
[16:43] <alkisg> It has the same kernel and it supports the same network drivers as the server edition
[16:44] <alkisg> Install kubuntu 20.04 LTS
[16:44] <Mekaneck> athena_: doesn't matter on which release i guide was written, the basics are still the same
[16:45] <athena_> Well I've installed Apache.  I've installed Mysql.  But composer won't istall properly.
[16:45] <Mekaneck> ugh... it's beyond my knowledge
[16:45] <athena_> (all installed from the command line to get teh same version as suggested)
[16:46] <Mekaneck> which guide did you actually use?
[16:47] <athena_> I've tried a few.  They all have you install Apache and MySQL.  The one that is the most detailed is set up for Ubuntu server release LTS version
[16:47] <Mekaneck> sigh... which one
[16:47] <nyloc> Hi, I'm currently trying to debug a strange performance issue with NVMe disks in a new Server with an ASUS KRPA-U16 Board and AMD Epyc 7302P and 8 WD Ultrastar DC SN640. These are rated for about 3300 mb/s swquentail reads, but hdparm -t --direct just gives me about 1000 mb/s and I have no idea what too look for from the lspci output they are
[16:47] <nyloc> connected via 4x PCIe 3.0 which should not be the bottle neck.
[16:47] <athena_> https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-install-drupal-on-ubuntu-18-04/
[16:48] <athena_> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-linux-apache-mysql-php-lamp-stack-on-ubuntu-20-04
[16:48] <athena_> https://www.drupal.org/docs/develop/local-server-setup/linux-development-environments/set-up-a-local-development-drupal-0-3#s-apache2-and-php
[16:48] <athena_> https://www.drupal.org/docs/develop/local-server-setup/linux-development-environments/set-up-a-local-development-drupal-0-3#s-guide-to-follow
[16:48] <athena_> Mostly the third one
[16:49] <athena_> Which sends you to the digital ocean one for installing a lof of the backend
[16:49] <Mekaneck> see if there's a drupal channel where they can help you. I lack knowledge on that part.
[16:49] <athena_> OK.  TU
[18:08] <tomreyn> nyloc: there's #ubuntu-server also, as well as - maybe check this first - #hardware
[18:11] <tomreyn> https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/western-digital/product/data-center-drives/ultrastar-nvme-series/data-sheet-ultrastar-dc-sn640.pdf concurs with what you stated about sequential reads (given 128KiB blocks) on PCIe Gen 3.1 x4 (Compliant to NVMe 1.3c).
[18:12] <tomreyn> foot notes: "Based on internal testing. Performance will vary by capacity point, changes in useable capacity, or security option. Consult product manual for further details. All performance measurements are in full sustained mode and are peak values. Subject to change."
[18:13] <tomreyn> https://www.asus.com/Commercial-Servers-Workstations/KRPA-U16/specifications/ has 5 pci-e slots, the fastest are "PCI-E x16 (Gen3 X16 Link)"
[18:13] <tomreyn> so pci-e gen 3.0 vs 3.1, i do not actually know whether this matters.
[18:15] <tomreyn> i'm also unsure whether hdparm is the best / right tool to test this for nvme, i think it primarily targets HDDs. there are nvme-tools.
[18:29] <nyloc> tomreyn Thanks a lot for all the info, I will check the hints, but the NVME are connected via oculink and a riser card on the mobo ("Designed for higher storage throughput performance and storage responsiveness for advanced computing, KRPA-U16 features 12 NVMe solutions with six onboard Oculink ports via a PCIe x4 link and six additional Oculink
[18:29] <nyloc> ports via an ASUS riser card for faster data transfers.")
[18:30] <nyloc> And as hdparm reads directly from the block device I was thinking that it should not be that much off the advertised speed
[18:34] <nyloc> The only thing that I can think of is that the 6 oculink ports share the four pci lanes and are somehow only allowed a percentage on this so pci 3.0 4x = 4000 mb/s 4 devices connectes = 1gb/s per device.
[18:34] <nyloc> But I have no idea if this makes any sens
[19:00] <shimbles> useradd: Can't get unique UID (no more available UIDs) useradd: can't create user
[19:03] <shimbles> i have no clue as to how that could happen
[19:03] <shimbles> (no more available UIDs)
[19:08] <oerheks> use adduser?
[19:08] <oerheks> adduser is a buch of scripts around useradd binairy.
[19:08] <shimbles> oerheks part of the problem is that this is being called during sudo apt install tomcat9
[19:08] <oerheks> c/bunch
[19:09] <shimbles> so i am looking at a manual install of tomcat to get around this, and manually adding the user, or using adduser instead of useradd yes
[19:09] <shimbles> i found no debugging path for this very strange bug
[19:10] <oerheks> using ubuntu packages?
[19:10] <shimbles> yes
[19:17] <shimbles> well, i manually created the user in /etc/{passwd,group,shadow,gshadow} and the tomcat9 package installed
[19:20] <cas_> Hi, I have some problems with my 3g/4g usb dongle and internet, I've managed to get the hw and usb_modeswitch working and get an ip from the thing but I cannot ping anything. Tried various simcards on different networks so I expect it's some network configuration problem(s)
[19:20] <cas_> I'm a little out of ideas, maybe someone has an idea what direction I can look into? Most stuff I find on the internet are the hw problems I passed already.
[19:21] <tomreyn> shimbles: that's not how you should be doing it, obsviously. it might be a workaround. it may have side effects.
[19:23] <tomreyn> the tomcat package would likely set up a tomcat system user + group. on debian derivatives such as ubuntu, system users and groups usually take uids/gids between 100 and 999. you can check (and change) this using grep _SYSTEM_.ID /etc/adduser.conf
[19:23] <oerheks> sudo snap install modem-manager https://snapcraft.io/modem-manager
[19:23] <oerheks> cas_, ^
[19:23] <tomreyn> shimbles: check how many of those 100-999 UIDs are already taken: getent passwd | cut -d: -f3 | grep -Ec '^[0-9]{3}$'
[19:24] <tomreyn> shimbles: check how many of those 100-999 GIDs are already taken: getent passwd | cut -d: -f4 | grep -Ec '^[0-9]{3}$'
[19:24] <shimbles> 24; the error message seems to be a red herring of some sort
[19:24] <cas_> oerheks: Thanks a lot, that I didn't try yet
[19:25] <tomreyn> if this system is retrieiving user accounts from a (corporate) network, this could easily fill them up.
[19:26] <shimbles> i might have installed something while installing deps for Qt that screwed with account creation on the system
[19:26] <tomreyn> (especially if that's predominnetly  redhat deriviatives, which uses / assigns those UID/GID ranges differently by default)
[19:27] <tomreyn> well, hopefully you know what you'Re doing there. :)
[19:28] <shimbles> lol, well, there's always bash_history
[19:28] <tomreyn> yes, that'll let you know when you recursively deleted /
[19:28] <tomreyn> oh wait ;)
[19:35] <shimbles> i followed these very nice instructions for manually setting up tomcat; they worked. https://www.fosslinux.com/6586/how-to-install-apache-tomcat-9-on-ubuntu-18-04-lts.htm
[19:36] <shimbles> with the exception that i manually did user/group add to  /etc/{passwd,group,shadow,gshadow}
[20:24] <cas_> oerheks: no luck, it says no modems were found
[20:29] <tomreyn> cas_: snaps may need to be "connected" to some hardware to be allowed to talk to it (i can't guide you there, though). when you say "I cannot ping anything" - did you try reaching hostnames or ip addresses? did oyu try a traceroute, too?
[20:30] <cas_> tomreyn: yeah, I try to ping 1.1.1.1 and 8.8.8.8, traceroute get stuck at my modem router ip
[20:33] <tomreyn> no need to ping then
[20:34] <tomreyn> it's indeed going to be a configuration issue then.
[20:35] <tomreyn> (or driver)
[20:35] <cas_> digging into this snap "connected" issue
[20:36] <cas_> I guess the driver is ok, since I have a device at `ip a` and even an ip
[20:37] <cas_> but never setup a pin somewhere, it should be 0000 and see mmcli has some options to mangle with it. But since it says it has no modems I am stuck with that so far
[20:38] <cas_> the modemmanager journal gives some errors about devices it does not support, but after wasting some time I guess it does this for every device it does not regonize
[20:43] <LordChaos> Hi, quick question. I've added some startup flags for Google Chrome (I'm on Wayland). But if I add Chrome to my favourites on the dock, it seems it starts Chrome without these flags by default. How can I fix this?
[20:46] <cas_> LordChaos: try `alacarte`
[20:48] <tomreyn> LordChaos: cp /usr/share/applications/chrome.desktop ~/.local/share/applications/     then edit ~/.local/share/applications/chrome.desktop and run desktop-file-validate against it, then  finally run desktop-file-install against it
[20:48] <LordChaos> cas_: I've used alacarte for this and the changes are reflected in ~/.local/share/applications/google-chrome.desktop
[20:50] <LordChaos> tomreyn: I've used desktop-file-validate against ~/.local/share/applications/chrome.desktop but it didn't help it seems
[20:50] <LordChaos> tomreyn: ah hold on
[20:50] <LordChaos> tomreyn: forgot deskop-file-install
[20:52] <LordChaos> What I forgot to mention, it works fine when launched using the launcher, just not from the dock
[20:53] <tomreyn> logout + login will likely help there? there is probably an easier way that i don't know.
[20:53] <cas_> maybe dragging the launcher again in the dock also helps
[20:54] <LordChaos> Okay let me try this
[20:54]  * cas_ always had some troubles with launchers in gnome
[20:56] <LordChaos> Unfortunately that didn't help
[20:58] <LordChaos> Which is totally weird since the flags are now also visible in /usr/share/applications/google-chrome.desktop
[20:58] <oerheks> cas maybe there is some setting in software>installed>modem-manager>permissions
[21:21] <LordChaos> So...I'm totally confused by this...when I launch Chrome from the launcher the flags I've set are honoured. When I launch Chrome from the dock or application menu, they're not.
[21:21] <LordChaos> What's happening here?
[21:22] <oerheks> " the flags I've set are honoured" ??
[21:24] <oerheks> i think if you add to the dock, it uses the launcher not in your home folder..
[21:28] <bsmith093> ncdu 0 items but the apparent size is non-zero?!
[21:28] <bsmith093> no hidden stuf either
[21:32] <LordChaos> oerheks: I've set some startup flags for Chrome (I'm on wayland). These flags are visible in ~/.local/share/applications/google-chrome.desktop
[21:33] <LordChaos> When I start Chrome from the launcher, it launches the browser with these flags. When started from the dock or menu, they're not.
[22:40] <jjbuggle> so my computer crashed, and I'm used to being able to check dmesg, and see the messages right before boot, but now dmesg only starts at boot.  Is there a way I can see the logs related to the crash?
[22:42] <Guest88> what kindof error is that one as systemd managed
[22:43] <oerheks> journalctl -b -0 shows messages from the current boot, journalctl -b -1 from the previous boot
[22:44] <Guest88> it said "Use Journalctl to View and Manipulate Systemd Logs ..."
[22:44] <jjbuggle> nice, thanks oerheks
[23:13] <leftyfb> jjbuggle: dmesg has never shown messages from before booting
[23:17] <black_13_> is there a way to make a debug version of ubuntu or make debug version of packages
[23:19] <axs123> For my user in /etc/passwd, the shell is set to /bin/bash. However, when I login as the user, it doesn't seem to run anything ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc. I still have to explicitly type /bin/bash and then it sources correctly. Why is that even though my shell should've been /bin/bash?
[23:21] <quadrat> axs123 did you try to change shell to /bin/bash with chsh? i did that when I had a similar issue, and that fixed it for me somehow
[23:22] <quadrat> black_13_ there are debug packages available for a lot of packages. need more?
[23:23] <quadrat> there is also debug symbol packages (which you would need to add the repo manually)
[23:27] <redlegion> I'm having the hardest time getting my rpi4 to pipe audio over hdmi
[23:28] <EriC^> axs123: do you have any other stuff in your home dir such as .bash_profile?
[23:30] <axs123> quadrat: yep I tried doing chsh and still getting the same issue
[23:30] <axs123> EriC^: yep I have an empty .bash_profile file
[23:34] <black_13_> is there such a thing as a source based ubuntu or ubuntu where you build all souces debug
[23:34] <quadrat> not that i know of black_13_
[23:36] <axs123> Ok it looks like the empty .bash_profile was causing the issues, removing it now makes everything work properly
[23:36] <axs123> thanks EriC^
[23:47] <black_13_> how about building from source something like the qt5 packages with debug info
[23:47] <black_13_> what i have done is a one off for that
[23:47] <black_13_> i get all the dependence installed then build qt by hand and install to /opt
[23:49] <quadrat> black_13_ i guess you can, apt source, apt build-dep, and then compile it
[23:52] <black_13_> would that be where you install the dependience packages but using tarball to build and install the shared libraries
[23:55] <quadrat> oO