[17:36] <finalspacevoid> hello everyone, writing this from an ubuntu mate installation ;-)
[17:41] <Mekaneck> not minting anymore?
[17:42] <finalspacevoid> both, the awesome power of multiple ssds
[17:43] <Mekaneck> true, doing the same on my Pi
[17:43] <finalspacevoid> pi 4?
[17:44] <Mekaneck> yep
[17:44] <Mekaneck> if i want ubuntu i just switch the ssd
[17:45] <finalspacevoid> which desktop do you like more so far Mekaneck?
[17:45] <Mekaneck> currently i'm trying Manjaro KDE Plasma on the other ssd
[17:46] <Mekaneck> oh well, i always found Plasma and Xfce fun to use but i know them all. Unity was my fav.
[17:47] <Mekaneck> Cinnamon is also great
[17:47] <finalspacevoid> interesting you say that, i was looking up the unity project recently. 
[17:48] <finalspacevoid> not sure how well it works nowadays but there are community efforts to continue it
[17:48] <Mekaneck> Ubuntu Unity Remix?
[17:48] <finalspacevoid> i think so, yes and unityx
[17:48] <Mekaneck> i'm involved in that one as admin/mod/op
[17:51] <finalspacevoid> cool! well right now im getting more into mate, quite like it so far.
[17:51] <Mekaneck> :)
[18:34] <alkisg> Gnome3 is too intrusive with its hamburger menus and popevers, and they're leaking into mate :/ Currently I'm tempted to switch to KDE...
[18:38] <Mekaneck> that has nothing to do with Gnome but with GTK3 and GTK4
[18:44] <alkisg> apps are gnome, not gtk
[18:45] <Mekaneck> not all
[18:46] <vkareh> MATE uses GTK3 and doesn't have hamburger menus - that's all based on each app developer's style
[18:47] <Mekaneck> wait, the apps aren't gnome
[18:48] <vkareh> correct, there are gnome apps that can work without hamburger menus, and there are non-gnome apps that have hamburger menus. GTK3 _allows_ for hamburger menus, so ultimately each app developer decides
[19:14] <alkisg> I mean that apps like dconf-editor are developed for gnome3 so they use its HIG so they have hamburgers and popovers, and we have to use them in mate to avoid redeveloping everything
[19:17] <alkisg> deja-dup, gnome-disks etc etc
[19:17] <alkisg> simple-scan...