[08:17] <bigcalm> Hola
[08:36]  * zxm-pi blinks and attempts telekinesis to make cup of tea and bring it to my hand...
[09:26] <bigcalm> 42nd b'day present to myself https://scontent-lhr8-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/213359888_10157727329782105_2321510996946289660_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=kcBzH5OilJIAX_qJipo&tn=i2zi6yFnsJeLMDRc&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-2.xx&oh=7eadf13070adda39f8b3fe523265a1cb&oe=60F5850E
[09:40] <zxm-pi> all ripped to mp3 here :-)
[09:42] <daftykins> :)
[09:44] <bigcalm> That will be the next step. CD box set likely to never see the light of day again
[09:47] <bigcalm> What's the go-to CD ripper in KDE/ubuntu?
[09:48] <daftykins> hrmm, let's see - https://alternativeto.net/software/exact-audio-copy-/?platform=linux
[09:49] <bigcalm> One that talks to cddb.org (if that's still a thing) would be nice
[09:49] <bigcalm> Did you just "let me google that for you" me?
[09:49] <bigcalm> :P
[09:50] <daftykins> lol, i was hoping you wouldn't take it that way - i was genuinely curious myself
[09:50] <bigcalm> :D Thank you :)
[09:50] <daftykins> to date i've never come close to EAC on Windows for those bit-perfect copies
[09:50] <bigcalm> When helping my father or sister, I'd install CDex for them on Windows
[09:51] <daftykins> i remember that :D
[09:52] <bigcalm> Cool, there's a snap for fre:ac
[09:52] <bigcalm> https://snapcraft.io/install/freac/kubuntu
[09:53] <daftykins> folks moving to streaming platforms has definitely reduced the workload of curating local libraries, been a long time since my wealthy client asked me to rip a new CD
[09:54] <daftykins> i'd have to rip the main FLAC for the house library (r-pi's dotted around the house plugged into amps able to play music from smartphone apps) then convert to a lossy copy for some old iPods he holds onto for no decent reason, plus copy them all to London and Spain apartments
[09:55] <daftykins> i think he's going to dump the Pis in the new house :(
[09:56] <zxm-pi> i use ripper x on linux for ripping to mp3
[09:57] <zxm-pi> sounds like you're getting free rasp pis :-)
[09:58] <daftykins> it does!
[09:58] <daftykins> i forget which models, probably 3Bs
[09:58] <zxm-pi> you'll have a rasp pi minion army cluster
[10:00]  * daftykins ponders
[10:00] <daftykins> i can think of at least 4
[10:01] <daftykins> i have a few appointments next week up at the new house with cabling contractors and satellite/aerial folks to go and get things done at the new place, oy
[10:02] <daftykins> today i have to return to the couples house i put the new WiFi system in for on Wednesday, as i must now do the dangerous bit of moving the master telephone socket and router into the wall mounted cabinet and reattach all the existing telephone sockets after the filter portion
[10:02]  * daftykins starts waving his hands out in front of him like Mystic Meg
[10:02] <daftykins> ...i see ladders in my future
[10:04] <daftykins> they're on an MSAN but i spy their line sync has dropped to 36 Mb, hopefully there'll be a little bump up once i take all the internal wiring out of the equation \o/
[10:05] <daftykins> reaaaaally old local house
[10:05] <zxm-pi> be super careful. ladders are super sneaky
[10:06] <zxm-pi> i wonder if there's a rasp pi adoption service. all those abandoned rasp pis out there needing a new home :-P
[10:06] <daftykins> hehe
[10:06] <daftykins> i'll try! someone put their incoming line termination box quite high close to a ceiling in a little side alley down the house that's covered over, i'll need to crack it open and then get out my new jelly crimps to redirect the incoming line
[10:06] <zxm-pi> delivered in a cute little basket on your doorstep. 'my name is sambaserv07'
[10:07] <daftykins> "my root password is..."
[10:31] <daftykins> heh so for today's client, we had their electrician run cables all the full width of the house to a complete dead spot room at the opposite end from any of their current kit, the client keeps asking if this will enable having the landline phone out there as well
[10:31] <daftykins> keep having to explain that network != telephone
[10:32] <bigcalm> But it could with a SIP phone ;)
[10:32] <zxm-pi> it is if you can sell him a whole voip system, KERCH$NG :-P
[10:32] <daftykins> heh
[10:33] <daftykins> i'm debating a FreePBX setup at the wealthy client's new house, right now he's obsessed with using all these stupid basic telephone sockets dotted around the property
[10:33] <bigcalm> Is that something you want to maintain?
[10:33] <zxm-pi> all that copper corroding
[10:33] <daftykins> exactly that question is what i have been asking myself
[10:34] <zxm-pi> when it could be scrap value down at metal merchant :-P
[10:34] <daftykins> not only that but it's not very easy to source the very old Cisco/Linksys ATA devices with FXO/FXS ports to pop a landline onto the network
[10:34] <daftykins> tonnes on ebay but most in China now
[10:38] <daftykins> muggins here will still need to label every telephone cable since they're blank right now
[10:39] <daftykins> or mostly "8 w" has been written above some, which is extremely unhelpful
[10:43] <bigcalm> 8 wires?
[10:45] <daftykins> yeah, helpful eh? :D
[10:45] <daftykins> ok i've got to head out, have a good one all \o
[10:46] <bigcalm> Enjoy
[13:20] <penguin42> daftykin1: Wow, this cooler is HUGE
[13:21] <diddledan> penguin42: keep quiet or all the ladies will want their own
[13:29] <zxm-pi> you're goning to wear it as a hat during the summer? :-P
[13:29] <penguin42> so they should, it'd keep them happy in all weathers
[13:36] <penguin42> https://support.arctic.de/LF2-280r4  is the installation manual fo rit
[13:39] <penguin42> and it's got me watching a youtube video of how not to mount it
[13:40] <diddledan> oh it's one of them fancypants leaky things
[13:40] <diddledan> ;-p
[13:40] <penguin42> diddledan: These are supposed to be sealed....
[13:40] <diddledan> I don't trust myself with water inside an electronic device :-D
[13:41] <penguin42> diddledan: Me neither, but I just had to replace my 3950x after ~8 months, so now I want to run it cooler
[13:41] <diddledan> they may be sealed from the factory, but I'm bound to puncture it
[13:41] <penguin42> yes, indeed
[13:41] <diddledan> yikes, 3950 is quite a recent CPU to be replacing already
[13:42] <penguin42> yes, last October
[13:42] <penguin42> fortunately Scan RMA'd it easily
[13:42] <diddledan> it died?
[13:43] <penguin42> nod :-(
[13:49] <penguin42> with the current bequiet2 cooler it's just over 70c flat out (16 md5sum's)
[13:50] <diddledan> toasty
[13:53] <penguin42> yeh, I think I'd seen it a bit higher on the original CPU as well, maybe when I refitted the new one I did better with the grease and mounting, still lets see what this beast gets it down to
[14:08] <penguin42> now, lets see if  I can get the thing into the case...
[14:13] <penguin42> ok, so not going to fit at the top of the case - there's not enough gap between the case and the mb
[14:24] <penguin42> hmm it...kind of ish fits at the front
[15:31] <penguin42> phew, that's better - it tops off at 56c rather than 71c
[16:19] <diddledan> much friendlier temp
[16:26] <penguin42> and I only needed the tinsnips to get the CD drive in
[16:29] <bigcalm> Just realised that if I do get to replace my work desktop with a laptop, it will be without an optical media drive. I was wondering if I even needed one - then remembered that I am actively ripping THHGTTG CDs to MP3 *face palm*
[16:29] <zxm-pi> get an external usb AND floppy drive just to confuse everyone :-)
[16:30] <bigcalm> Think I'll need to dig out my bluray drive in an external enclosure
[16:30] <zxm-pi> get an external dvd AND floppy drive just to confuse everyone :-)
[16:30] <bigcalm> Everyone being my wife? Work from home - and have done for years :D
[16:31] <zxm-pi> you're forgetting the archeologists trying to date your laptop in the future :-P
[16:32] <bigcalm> Ah, them
[16:32]  * bigcalm nods
[16:32] <diddledan> tis warm in my flat today.. 27C right now
[16:33] <zxm-pi> fighting nazis and cracking whips. just like the 1930s :-P
[16:33] <penguin42> diddledan: Yeh warm here as well, so reassuring I can keep this thing sane on a hot day
[16:33] <diddledan> my noisy server is extra noisy with this heat
[16:34] <zxm-pi> 25c here with 2 fans creating a nice tornado of moving air in which i am sitting
[16:34] <diddledan> that's cheating
[16:34] <zxm-pi> no, the 3 boxes of choc-ices in freezer is cheating
[16:35] <diddledan> ooh. good plan.
[16:35] <zxm-pi> lidl do a lovely half choc-ice. half the width of a normal one. so you can have 2 half ones at seperate times instead of 1 normal one
[16:37] <diddledan> or you could buy twice as many and have 2 normal ones at separate times instead of 1 normal one ;-p
[16:37] <bigcalm> I think that would confuse my father, and he'd have 4
[16:37] <zxm-pi> extra memory cards and serial cables have arrived for psion. the psion ssds are massive for tiny capacities. they're so cute
[16:37] <bigcalm> Psion is still a thing?
[16:37] <diddledan> and here's me with a swanky new HDR-capable monitor
[16:37] <diddledan> 4k!
[16:38] <diddledan> 28 inches of pure love
[16:38] <zxm-pi> bigcalm: i got a psion 3mx refurb a few months ago. a pda from mid 1990s :-)
[16:38] <zxm-pi> still running on batteries i put in at end of april :-)
[16:38] <diddledan> what is it, a nokia?!
[16:38] <penguin42> diddledan: Yeh I've got a 28 4k, they're lovely - I do a lot of datasheet stuff at work; okular gets 8 sheets on at a time
[16:38] <diddledan> that's stupid battery life!
[16:39] <penguin42> yeh the Psions were good like that
[16:39] <zxm-pi> well i've been going slow with it. less than an hours use per day. as i transfer bits and bobs of data from other systems into it. i just love the little beast
[16:40] <zxm-pi> had trouble using first serial cable as i'd never used serial on linux before and had to learn that i needed to add my user to dialout group before i could use it :-)
[16:41] <zxm-pi> then trying a few different terminal programs to find one that i didn't hate. cutecom, minicom. they all gave me fun errors i had to deal with
[16:41] <diddledan> screen works ok
[16:41] <diddledan> i.e. screen /dev/ttyS1
[16:41] <zxm-pi> it does but i wanted something.... more.... modemy
[16:41] <diddledan> aah
[16:41] <diddledan> course, file transfers. dummy me
[16:42] <zxm-pi> and finding help is fun when you're following a thread describing your problem and it's from the 90s :-)
[16:43] <zxm-pi> but getting there. enjoying the fun of psion. just a beautifully designed machine. full help on board in rom
[16:43] <diddledan> its those threads that always leave you hanging a la XKCD
[16:43] <penguin42> zxm-pi: I had a psion 3a back in the day - actually the acorn verison
[16:44] <zxm-pi> next getting agettty working so i can log into a linux system via serial. then put a rasp pi on a power bank and portable linux on a psion :-)
[16:44] <diddledan> https://xkcd.com/979/
[16:44] <penguin42> zxm-pi: There's a magic systemd line these days to enable a serial terminal
[16:44] <zxm-pi> the acorn version was pretty cool. a few schools used it as a mobile device for kids
[16:44]  * zxm-pi casts ward evil at mention of systemd :-P
[16:47] <penguin42> zxm-pi: https://www.rogerirwin.co.nz/open-source/enabling-a-serial-port-console/       - systemctl enable serial-getty@ttyS0.service    probably has a chance
[16:47] <diddledan> I've been learning about why it's almost impossible to get gnome running on WSL2... seems systemd is a hard requirement for a start. then you need to run a session manager to assign a new thing they're calling a "seat" to your terminal session (impossible in WSL2 from what I have tried) and then finally start a new X or Wayland session from there - you cannot. repeat, cannot. launch a new session without a seat and not against 
[16:47] <diddledan> an already running wayland server
[16:49]  * penguin42 is confused why you can't fudge a seat - I think there's some tools for it
[16:50] <zxm-pi> running linux sub system under windows. it's just wrong. :-P
[16:50] <penguin42> diddledan: Have you tried running lightdm ?
[16:50] <diddledan> I think my google foo failed me :-)
[16:50] <diddledan> the big problem is I want to run on an already launched wayland server (the OOTB wayland from WSL2) not start a new Wayland or X11
[16:51] <penguin42> oh
[16:51] <penguin42> yeh, no idea how to work that
[16:53] <penguin42> zxm-pi: It's even crazier when you find people running Windows in a VM on Linux running WSL2
[16:53] <diddledan> hah
[16:53] <zxm-pi> ouroboros os :-P
[16:53] <zxm-pi> or would it be ouroborOs
[16:55] <zxm-pi> if you can't use camel case on an egyptian word... :-P
[16:55] <bigcalm> Our Rob or Ros?
[16:55] <penguin42> should that be single or double camel?
[16:56] <zxm-pi> double camel the bactarian is mongolian i think
[16:56] <diddledan> camel toe?
[16:56] <bigcalm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6dD4crUBIA
[16:57] <zxm-pi> right, have to dash to shops. o/
[17:06] <bigcalm> Weekend!
[17:06] <diddledan> Will Will Young will Will Young young?
[17:11] <daftykins> oh my Tux that job got so much worse xD
[17:11] <diddledan> oh dear :-(
[17:11] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BvJlVEbf3c
[17:14] <daftykins> got there ventually, just really challenging telephone wires - ended up having to pull the incoming one off the wall and strip some more insulation back, which was then wax coated inside - so cue repeated hand washing and wiping that up
[17:16] <daftykins> should see the router stats though, noise margin went from 6 dB to 20 dB after :)
[17:19] <daftykins> penguin42: install all done? :)
[17:21] <daftykins> here's the 'before' - https://i.imgur.com/iFvlh7V.jpg
[17:54]  * m0nkey_ just reserved his SteamDeck
[17:54] <daftykins> heh haven't even had a chance to read about those yet
[17:55] <m0nkey_> it's a linux based handheld in the switch form factor that can play AAA PC titles
[17:56] <m0nkey_> some custom Zen2 APU, 16GB RAM and 512GB NVME
[18:29] <zxm-pi> can you get a terminal and run python? :-)
[18:38] <penguin42> daftykins: All done!
[18:39] <m0nkey_> zxm-pi: yup. totally unlocked. run windows if you want lol
[18:44] <zxm-pi> running windows on a steamdeck... kinky :-P
[19:07] <daftykins> tech masochism knows few bounds :)
[19:08] <diddledan> ... I'm on my mac right now.. I resemble that remark!
[19:08] <zxm-pi> install os/2 in a vm under windows on it. scare little children and family pets
[19:09] <daftykins> diddledan: xD
[19:27] <penguin42> daftykins: https://mastodon.org.uk/system/media_attachments/files/106/591/908/934/153/876/original/a62b6ee45f13968d.png
[19:27] <penguin42> who let diddledan have a mac?
[19:28] <zxm-pi> left in a basket on his doorstep...
[19:29] <penguin42> LO build is still a little toasty for my liking: https://mastodon.org.uk/system/media_attachments/files/106/591/919/243/762/334/original/09475f949bec328b.png
[19:35] <daftykins> penguin42: nice graphs!
[19:35] <daftykins> how's your ambient temp today?
[19:35] <penguin42> too hot
[19:37] <penguin42> daftykins: about 29c
[19:40] <daftykins> mmm time for full air con at penguin HQ :)
[19:40] <penguin42> I do wonder
[19:41] <daftykins> i have no idea if they would last, but i've seen some cheap portable units on https://cpc.farnell.com
[19:52] <penguin42> yeh I've used those at work years ago
[19:54] <penguin42> daftykins: Although I measured the xy of the radiator to make sure it would fit, the thickness was a surprise - so it couldn't go in the convenient top place that it's supposedly intended to go in, but it just about fitted at the front
[19:59] <daftykins> ah ha
[20:00] <daftykins> i bet a few drinks were consumed during that installation :)
[20:00] <penguin42> fortunately I'm t-total
[20:00] <daftykins> ah i was thinking coffee/tea/iced something
[20:01] <penguin42> daftykins: the case is just bad; it's got a big vent at the top and a big vent at the front; the one at the top is way way too close to the MB to get a radiator in
[20:01] <penguin42> daftykins: The one at the front has an annoying PSU chassis section in the way - but it fits; just
[20:02] <penguin42> daftykins: The tin snips were only needed once, to allow me to move the DVD drive up by half-a-bay because the radiator now got in the way
[20:02] <daftykins> ooh i don't like that modern trend of the PSU tunnel type thing
[20:02] <penguin42> nod