[13:29] <daftykins> happy Sunday all
[13:30] <daftykins> peaceful you may expect, but nay... client on holiday on one of the smaller islands is in touch complaining about being unable to get his emails
[13:30] <daftykins> strange holiday, that one? i take a little glance and it turns out all his payment methods have expired and he's over his mailbox size limit... ooh dear!
[13:36] <daftykins> here's my cat, Mischief, in 4K: https://youtu.be/cp_FKYwYYhU
[13:53] <penguin42> I hink your cat melted
[13:53] <daftykins> hehe
[13:54] <daftykins> puddle_cat is born
[13:54] <zxm-pi> all cats are liquid, and solar powered
[13:55] <diddledan> kitty hot. kitty sleep
[14:47] <diddledan> too hot
[14:47] <daftykins> indeedy
[14:47] <daftykins> i had a nice iced lollipop out on the deck before the above shot
[14:48] <daftykins> hmm some fridge chilled water would go well about now
[15:33] <diddledan> 29C in my flat now
[15:33] <diddledan> I'm wilting
[15:39]  * daftykins waters diddledan 
[16:13] <m0nkey_> you guys need to start investing in a window A/C unit or something... if you go portable, get a dual hose, single hose units suck in both senses of the word.
[16:14] <penguin42> m0nkey_: What do you mean by dual hose?
[16:14] <daftykins> i'm doing fine here :D
[16:14] <daftykins> 25 deg C in the home office
[16:15] <penguin42> more like 32 here
[16:15] <m0nkey_> penguin42: there's two types of portable A/C, single and dual hose. single sucks in the air from the room to cool, so any cracks or openings you have to the outside draw in hot air. dual hose sucks in air from outside and cools it.
[16:16] <penguin42> interesting
[16:17] <diddledan> I don't get the difference
[16:17] <diddledan> oh I see
[16:17] <m0nkey_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-mBeYC2KGc
[16:17] <diddledan> positive air pressure
[16:18] <m0nkey_> negative
[16:18] <diddledan> positive indoors compared to outdoors
[16:18] <m0nkey_> creates negative pressure, so any vents you have will pull in hot air
[16:19] <diddledan> I mean the double hose gives positive pressure
[16:19] <m0nkey_> it tries to keep the pressure neutral  
[16:20]  * penguin42 assumes you can put the tube exactly where it matters
[16:20] <diddledan> penguin42: !
[16:21] <daftykins> poor m0nkey_ xD
[16:21] <m0nkey_> last year i got the biggest window unit i could buy
[16:22] <m0nkey_> 14000BTU running on 110V
[16:22] <m0nkey_> but the thing is heavy.. 100lbs
[16:22] <diddledan> ouch
[16:22] <daftykins> i wouldn't be a fan of blocking up a window, curious how the wall mounted units would compare
[16:23] <m0nkey_> all depends on the tech, if they're using a standard compressor or dual-inverter compressor
[16:23] <daftykins> latter being superior?
[16:23] <m0nkey_> mine is dual-inverter, so same tech as a split system.
[16:24] <m0nkey_> yeah
[16:26]  * penguin42 should cough up some money and get a proper split unit installed
[16:27] <m0nkey_> penguin42: spend the extra coin and get a heat pump instead. it can do both heating and cooling and is super efficient
[16:27] <daftykins> o0
[16:28] <penguin42> m0nkey_: Yeh, that might actually save some money in the winter
[16:28] <penguin42> mind you I suspect I'd need planning perms
[16:28] <daftykins> with either i'd be concerned how much i'd have to upgrade my electric supply to handle things
[16:28] <m0nkey_> i wouldn't anymore about that in the uk
[16:28]  * daftykins pats his trusty Wylex porcelain fuse wire consumer board
[16:28] <m0nkey_> afaik over here planning permission isn't required
[16:29] <diddledan> yeah, if you're mounting a wall-mount unit on the outside of your building that needs planning (and if you're renting it'll need landlord agreement)
[16:29] <penguin42> daftykins: Hmm it *should* be OK, probably...but yeh we do need the board replacing
[16:30] <diddledan> it falls under "changing the aesthetics" rules of planning requirements
[16:31] <daftykins> hehe mine absolutely isn't as-is
[16:31] <daftykins> my local electric co has a thing about air source heat pumps but only mentions heating
[16:31] <penguin42> diddledan: Yeh they're pissy about it around here, matching roof tiles and the like
[16:31] <m0nkey_> what if the compressor is in your garden where only you can see it?
[16:33] <zxm-pi> i believe heat pumps can heat AND cool
[16:34] <daftykins> https://www.electricity.gg/home-services/electricalservices/air-source-heat-pumps/
[16:34] <m0nkey_> if i was buying a home now, it's certainly something i would have installed
[16:34] <daftykins> might be neat if so, just they don't mention
[16:35] <m0nkey_> heat pumps would be great in the UK, doesn't get too cold in the winter so will work well down to -10C i believe. 
[16:35] <m0nkey_> unlike over here in the great white north where i've been in temps at -40C .. that aint fun lol
[16:35] <daftykins> :D
[16:36] <daftykins> can't even imagine it
[16:36] <daftykins> reet, i'm gonna get some chores tackled, bbs :D
[16:36] <zxm-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pump
[17:39] <diddledan> who killed popey?
[17:39] <diddledan> phew
[17:39] <diddledan> false alarm
[17:41] <penguin42> it's not impossible he's deep in an impossibly deep hole after I suggested yesterday he could get caller ID off his old modem
[17:47] <daftykins> hehehe
[17:48]  * daftykins packs prepared equipment for tomorrow
[17:48] <penguin42> daftykins: your NICs turned up yet?
[17:48] <daftykins> well that was Andy's address, he's not sent word!
[17:49] <penguin42> hmm, well only sent on Monday, so might still be working on it
[17:50] <daftykins> he seems unusually busy, doesn't seem to be able to escape the kids of evenings for even 5 minutes to action some changes on his home PC effectively
[17:50] <penguin42> nod
[17:50] <daftykins> 2 doctor parents on shifts that include nights seems like a hellish existence
[17:51] <penguin42> ouch
[17:58] <daftykins> time for some easy pasta \o/
[17:59] <zxm-pi> not up to a hand to hand fight with noodles? :-P
[18:00] <diddledan> chopstix at dusk?
[18:03] <daftykins> hehe
[18:10] <zxm-pi> hong kong patoeey :-P
[18:20] <diddledan> potatoey?
[18:22] <zxm-pi> too irish
[22:16] <daftykins> g'night all \o
[22:21] <zxm-pi> o/