[00:34] <ult> uh
[00:34] <ult> so did canonical push an update that bricked a ton of ubuntu boxes?
[00:35] <Saxle> ult no?
[00:36] <oerheks> ult, did you file a bugreport, or any information?
[00:36] <ult> i'm trying to figure out what's broken now, but it looks like systemd-logind is borked
[00:38] <ult> in some way that makes gnome-session borked
[00:39] <Bashing-om> ult: What does the package manager think ? ' sudo dpkg -C ' .
[00:40] <ult> We failed but the fail whale is dead
[00:40] <ult> That's the error message i'm getting
[00:41] <ult> I know that sounds surreal but I'm not kidding
[00:41] <Saxle> Its a gnome error I think
[00:43] <oerheks> is the filesystem borked, mounted RO ?
[00:43] <ult> Yeah gnome-session is totally borked on a few different boxes
[00:43] <oerheks> oh, and mention what version of ubuntu
[00:44] <ult> no, fs is not ro, and 20.04.02 LTS per /etc/issue
[00:49] <ravage> gnome-session is 3.36.0-2ubuntu1 here. working just fine
[00:50] <ult> yeah same version here per dpkg, completely broken
[00:50] <ult> where are useful error messages for this stored? systemd is just twitterlol garbage
[00:54] <oerheks> journalctl -b -0 shows messages from the current boot, journalctl -b -1 from the previous boot
[00:55] <ult> ok so it looks like it's just the boxes with AMD gpus, not intel or nvidia
[00:56] <Saxle> ult what kernel you on? | uname -r
[00:56] <ult> and thanks oerheks, yeah, that's how i saw the twitter failwhale error messages, but there's nothing useful
[00:56] <dman777> is wicd-gtk still available? looking for a light wieght wifi manager
[00:56] <ult> Saxle, 5.8.0-55 and 5.8.0-59, both -generic
[00:58] <ult> Can someone kindly remind me what the gnome window manager command is? It's certainly not fvwm, icewm, enlightenment, or metacity these days :\
[00:58] <Saxle> Alt+F2 for the cmd in gnome
[00:59] <ult> Thanks. No gnome on this box right now. Just export DISPLAY=:0 and xterm&
[01:00] <Saxle> Do Alt+F2 then enter: r to restart gnome
[01:00] <ult> gnome-session barfs, gnome-shell barfs, there's gotta be something more lower level?
[01:00] <ult> no, i mean, i don't have a window manager right now
[01:00] <ult> i can't move windows around
[01:00] <ult> it's sad
[01:00] <ult> i have this one xterm in the top left
[01:00] <ult> it's really sad
[01:00] <ult> plz send halp
[01:00] <Saxle> Could you try to reinstall your session, maybe some packages are missing ult?
[01:01] <ult> Saxle, first, multiple boxes, second, dpg -C is like "lol u good bro"
[01:01] <ult> I do agree, it looks like something went horribly wrong with an automated upgrade
[01:02] <Saxle> Check /var/log/apt/history.log any commonality between the systems? ult
[01:03] <ult> Saxle, it's libc on the 10th :rip:
[01:03] <ult> Other than that I don't see anything else aside from what I tried on a couple of boxes to log in
[01:05] <oerheks> Press Alt + F7 to move a window or Alt + F8 to resize
[01:05] <ult> oerheks: I don't have a window manager running :RIP:
[01:05] <ult> 8~
[01:06] <ult> Sorry, literally, this box is just an xterm :D
[01:07] <ult> ok, icewm works
[01:07] <ult> i can move windows now
[01:07] <ult> i can even start AOL instant messanger, if it was installed...
[01:08] <oerheks> apt install -f ?
[01:08] <ult> Reading package lists... Done
[01:08] <ult> Building dependency tree
[01:08] <ult> Reading state information... Done
[01:08] <ult> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:08] <ult> I HAS COPY PASTE
[01:09] <ult> Sorry. Kinda excited. Got two open terminals on this broke-ass box.
[01:09] <srv> lol
[01:10] <ult> please help, even glxgears works
[01:10] <sammygee121> Hi All! Im having issues with my pc falling asleep when the lid is closed, when i close the lid it still runs despite my system suspending, HP ENVY x360 Laptop - 13-ay0008ca
[01:10] <sammygee121> I checked, no drivers available
[01:11] <ult> i'm in rescue mode, Xorg, export DISPLAY=:0, xhost +, glxgears, it works
[01:12] <Saxle> sammygee121: try installing gnome-tweaks and check the option "suspend when laptop lid is closed"
[01:12] <ult> but gdm/startx/anything involving systemd on an AMD system is so broke right now
[01:13] <sammygee121> Saxle its checked on
[01:17]  * srv using winbuntu
[01:17] <srv> lol
[01:17] <ult> lol so funny ubuntu unusable just use windows
[01:22] <Saxle> winbuntu? srv?
[01:23] <srv> yes
[01:23] <srv> windows+ wsl2=wslg
[01:23] <Saxle> oh yeaaa
[01:23] <srv> windows +wsl2+wslg
[01:23] <ult> yeah it's honestly not a bad solution
[01:24] <ult> rumor has it we'll have GPL filesystem code able to mount Windows-native ext/btr/etc filesystems soon
[01:26] <Saxle> I wonder if Windows 11 will add ext4 support?
[01:27] <srv> even not ubuntu aplication work in wsl2 but the gain a lot when they implement wsl2 +wslg  so now you dont need a independen xorg to run the linux aplications on windows  i think the wslg has its own hiden xserver
[01:27] <srv> dont know but that made a lot of ppl not to dual boot
[01:29] <ult> ok sorry
[01:29] <ult> how do i make journalctl not awful
[01:29] <ult> like, it deletes things to try and make the terminal pretty, and i don't want that
[01:29] <ult> honestly
[01:29] <ult> i want tail -20 /var/log/messages
[01:29] <ult> no editing
[01:29] <ult> it keeps turning long lines into > kinda stuff
[01:30] <ult> and it's the long lines that i need to debug
[01:30] <ult> like, stop hiding the useful information, fratboys
[01:30] <leftyfb> ult: please stop
[01:30] <leftyfb> ult: please screenshot whatever you are talking about
[01:32] <leftyfb> ult: otherwise, you can use: journalctl -k -n20  # for kernel messages
[01:33] <ult> leftyfb: sorry. I have kernel messages. They are about freaking fail whales, and, as absurd as that seems, it is what it s.
[01:33] <leftyfb> ult: ok, lets us know if you'd like help troubleshooting or not
[01:35] <ult> leftyfb: I do, though. What does CRITICAL: We failed, but the fail whale is dead. Sorry.... mean?
[01:36] <ult> I'm getting that every 5 minutes and the only reason I'm here on this box is because I ran Xorg manually and then started xterm and icewm
[01:36] <leftyfb> ult: please pastebin the error message and the command you used to output the error message (do not type it, please copy and paste it)
[01:38] <ult> leftyfb: I am literally asking for help to try and get a more useful error message, and I will be glad to pastebin the stupid one-liner I'm getting, but I don't think anyone's gonna make progress off of that.
[01:39] <ult> It is literally just the fail whale comment and gnome-session crashing
[01:39] <leftyfb> ult: please provide the questioned information if you'd like help
[01:40] <ult> leftyfb: I can't open a browser on this box. Can you help me pastebin it from a terminal?
[01:40] <leftyfb> ult: mycommandgoeshere | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:43] <leftyfb> ult: why are you running xorg/icewm manually?
[01:44] <ult> leftyfb: because i can only boot these boxes in rescue mode, they hard-lock as soon as they try to start X in a normal boot
[01:44] <leftyfb> ult: being in "rescue mode" is not the way to diagnose this sort of thissue
[01:44] <leftyfb> this issue*
[01:45] <ult> no, i agree, which is why i came on IRC asking for hel-
[01:45] <ult> help*
[01:45] <leftyfb> ult: sudo systemctl set-default multi-user
[01:46] <leftyfb> ult: then reboot. That should allow you boot without loading up the GUI
[01:46] <leftyfb> ult: though, you have yet to paste the error messages as requested
[01:49] <ult> oh my gosh, my bad
[01:49] <ult> root@luna:~# journalctl -b -0 | grep -A 3 -B 3 whale | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:49] <ult> https://termbin.com/h495h
[01:51] <leftyfb> ult: ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:52] <ult> https://termbin.com/mzol
[01:54] <leftyfb> ult: ubuntu-drivers | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:54] <leftyfb> ult: did you set multi-user as the default service and reboot?
[01:55] <ult> root@luna:~# ubuntu-drivers list | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:55] <ult> root@luna:~#
[01:55] <ult> no output from that command and ubuntu-drivers without args just gives a help screen
[01:56] <leftyfb> ult: sudo systemctl set-default multi-user   # did you do this yet?
[01:56] <ult> and honestly i haven't rebooted because getting this box to a graphical desktop is a PITA
[01:56] <oerheks> that multi-user line could fix that
[01:57] <leftyfb> ult: why do you need a graphical desktop on it? Do you have another machine you can use for IRC?
[01:57] <leftyfb> ult: the point of the command is to boot without booting to GUI
[01:57] <leftyfb> ult: being in single user mode is not a good way to troubleshoot/replicate issues, only fix them
[01:58] <ult> leftyfb: I am on a KVM with an over-priced Dell monitor and it's just a PITA.
[01:59] <ult> I get what you're saying, I'd just prefer to not waste anyone's time.
[01:59] <ult> (including my own)
[01:59] <leftyfb> ult: you're wasting time trying to replicate and troubleshoot issues in single user mode
[02:00] <leftyfb> ult: ok, to give you an idea of what I think is wrong, my thought is video drivers/kernel. Either an updated kernel was installed or video drivers or both and there's some incompatibility
[02:00] <leftyfb> ult: you can try booting into the previous kernel as a start
[02:00] <leftyfb> ult: but either way, booting no in single mode is step #1
[02:04] <ult> Alright, thanks. Gonna reboot this box, and gonna head down a couple of floors and grab my laptop. I agree it's a video problem. The NVidia & Intel boxes are fine.
[02:05] <ult> Control B D!
[02:07] <ult> tmux a!
[02:10] <ult> ok, so I have a Dell monitor telling me "No input", once again
[02:11] <ult> Last time I booted rescue via grub (BIOS graphics work), and ran Xorg and icewm and life was, not good, but less crappy
[02:12] <leftyfb> ult: you're not even getting a POST?
[02:13] <ult> I am getting a full POST
[02:13] <ult> In rescue mode I'm at a root prompt, normal boot, it locked up after about 2 seconds
[02:13] <leftyfb> ult: sudo systemctl set-default multi-user   # did you do this before rebooting?
[02:13] <ult> I did
[02:14] <leftyfb> then it shouldn't be attempting to boot into gnome/desktop at all
[02:14] <ult> I agree
[02:14] <leftyfb> ult: you mentioned the nvidia/intel machines were fine, I assume the remaining with issues are ATI/AMD?
[02:15] <ult> https://termbin.com/7r5p
[02:16] <ult> ok?
[02:17] <leftyfb> ult: lspci |nc termbin.com 9999
[02:17] <ult> guhhhhh
[02:18] <ult> sorry there's a lot of output there, gotta review it
[02:19] <ult> https://termbin.com/7e8bp
[02:21] <leftyfb> I don't see a video chipset
[02:21] <ult> WELCOME TO THE THUNDERDOME
[02:21] <ult> because my KVM is also saying the same thing
[02:23] <ult> I can boot in rescue mode and get a LUKS prompt and unlock. But no video in normal boot.
[02:24] <leftyfb> ult: this is just a desktop machine? Not some blockchain miner or server or something? You have multiples that are identical hardware that are experiencing the same issue?
[02:25] <ult> It is not just a desktop machine, and it is not a blockchain miner.
[02:25] <ult> It's a video teleconferencing system and tomorrow is set up to SUCK.
[02:28] <ult> And tomorrow is going to be a blast because packagekit and unattended-upgrades is disabled on everything, and the antimalware is all "YOLO all clear bro"
[02:29] <leftyfb> ult: what changed between "it's working" and "it's not working"?
[02:30] <ult> leftyfb: I don't know. I'd like to say nothing. There were libc updates on the 10th.
[02:31] <leftyfb> ult: I would look into hardware issues then. With no updates and no reboots, ubuntu wouldn't just stop working on it's own
[02:31] <leftyfb> ult: especially with your KVM/monitor issues as well
[02:31] <ult> Yeah, honestly, that was my first go-to
[02:35] <ult> The problem is that BIOS graphics work, right?
[02:35] <ult> Like, even rescue mode graphics work
[02:36] <leftyfb> ult: tried a live usb?
[02:37] <ult> leftyfb: yeah, works like a charm ;_;
[02:38] <leftyfb> I'm not sure. I have to head out though
[02:39] <ult> it's all good, this is a dumpster fire, i was asking as a hail mary
[02:39] <ult> thanks
[06:02] <tuxinator> any good reason for changing output of apt-check --human-readable from "is a security update" to "can be applied immediately" ?
[06:02] <tuxinator> it's since last updates
[06:20] <reapear> is this the official ubuntu channel?
[06:21] <alkisg> reapear: yes, see the /topic
[06:21] <reapear> if it says so in the topic
[06:39] <user_> hi
[08:01] <sh1pwr3k> hello
[08:02] <sh1pwr3k> i want to put kali or ubuntu on one of mym windows machines
[08:02] <Mekaneck> kali isn't supported here
[08:02] <Mekaneck> only ubuntu
[08:03] <Mekaneck> so you need to make up your mind on what you want to install :)
[08:03] <sh1pwr3k> kali
[08:03] <Mekaneck> sh1pwr3k: then you need to seek for help elsewhere
[08:03] <sh1pwr3k> i havent been on IRC in years
[08:04] <sh1pwr3k> im going to put ubuntu on one to
[08:04] <Mekaneck> this channel is for support with Ubuntu and it's official flavors, questions about kali belong elswhere
[08:04] <sh1pwr3k> ok heard
[08:05] <sh1pwr3k> can I install ubuntu with out creating a bootable drive
[08:07] <Mekaneck> no
[08:22] <reapear> use live cd
[08:36] <guiverc> sh1pwr3k, yes you can, but it's not easy.. You need to make your bootloader for whatever OS is installed chainload to the ISO which exists on the machine already, but given it sounds like your installed OS isn't Ubuntu, you'll likely not get help here (but yeah it is possible, but it's more work than writing the ISO to a thumb-drive)
[11:12] <philomath> Is this the Ubuntu help channel? Can I ask suggestions on my problem here?
[11:13] <matteo_> Ciao
[11:14] <philomath> I upgraded ubuntu 18.04 LTS to Ubuntu 20.04 LTS through Ubuntu Update center on my corporate laptop. Since the restart, my user is unable to login and says incorrect password on correct one. I suspect the user is deleted or disconnected somehow as it is missing from shadow file I checked from recovery mode
[11:14] <philomath> How do I know if it's a LDAP user or something else
[11:14] <philomath> And is there any way to recover the user logins?
[11:14] <philomath> Thanks
[11:25] <donofrio> philomath, does dmesg show you anything when use attempts login?
[11:29] <philomath> donofrio, Weirdly, dmesg is void of the logs during the upgrade.
[11:29] <philomath> I suspect a SSSD misconfiguration on upgrade. https://paste.opensuse.org/b957386f
[11:30] <philomath> In the image, login was impossible since Jul 17 13:12
[11:32] <donofrio> philomath, perhaps #sssd? I mean someone here might know but cannot hurt to ask there as well?
[11:34] <philomath> Yeah, right. TIL about sssd
[11:34] <philomath> I first suspected it was LDAP user and misconfigured on upgrade
[11:41] <philomath> I guess, the problem started while upgrading and ntp.conf file. AFAIR, I kept the old ntp.conf
[11:44] <ducasse> ntp should have no impact on login, but most use timesyncd instead now
[11:45] <philomath> ducasse, ok. So it's not NTP
[11:45] <philomath> sssd conf looks okay, I guess. It contains the pwd for the users and domain name
[11:48] <ducasse> i can't help much with sssd. the only way i can imagine ntp having an impact would be maybe if time has drifted too much, i don't know how sssd handles that
[12:00] <sat> ciao
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> welcome sat
[12:03] <IMNOTU> ts
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> !rootirc | IMNOTU
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> quick hack :p
[13:21] <mybalzitch> I haven't heard of any remote exploits in irc clients in a while
[13:22] <gordonjcp> hm
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:25] <Intelo> My keyboard (actually all keyboards I tried) on my system gets hanged/ no response seen (in anywhere I type) for the 5th to 9th second. (response gets deferred) if I keep on typing for from 1st to 5th second. Then after 9th second, there is no problem. What can be the reason?
[13:27] <Liblx> Hello, how can I get the time since the last boot?
[13:28] <toddc> Intelo: several reasons high cpu load is common but there are others
[13:29] <Intelo> toddc cpu load is low
[13:29] <Intelo> I monitored
[13:29] <Intelo> toddc what other?
[13:30] <toddc> Intelo: does top show any issues?
[13:31] <Intelo> top shows no high cpu /' ram load
[13:33] <Intelo> toddc can it be harddisk?
[13:39] <toddc> Intelo: not likley for a kb delay but eay to test disks then 3dots Smart Data and self tests
[13:39] <toddc> easy to
[13:40] <toddc> possible device conflict tho I do not know how to test that
[13:44] <alkisg> Liblx: uptime?
[14:05] <Intelo> toddc https://imgur.com/OzttkGP.png
[14:17] <Intelo> toddc I checked on terminal without xorg. It works fine. So its an xorg issue. How to trace and fix?
[14:22] <TomyWork> is precise (12.04) mirrored anywhere still?
[14:23] <TomyWork> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ it's not on here, is there an archive archive or something? :)
[14:23] <bittin> https://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ maybe ?
[14:24] <bittin> https://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/
[14:24] <bittin> @ TomyWork
[14:25] <TomyWork> thanks a lot
[14:25] <TomyWork> yeah i just clicked through to it as well :)
[14:25] <TomyWork> from the main link to the repo
[14:26] <TomyWork> seems to work
[14:40] <nemo> So.. we need to keep postgresql 10/11 (because atlassian) - thankfully the postgres team maintains a repo for Focal. Which we enabled.  apt installed --list says pgdq packages. good... what puzzles me is the history log for upgrade still lists 10.17-ubuntu0.18.04.1  as if the old package is still lying around after the focal update
[14:40] <nemo> how would I unregister/remove that?
[15:42] <Liblx> alkisg: thanks!!
[16:56] <guest3245> just updated to Firefox 90 and now all my custom webextensions are disabled. Anyone know if there is something besides xpinstall.signatures.required that I need to set to make things work again?
[16:57] <guest3245> or if this change is intentional or a bug?
[17:00] <oerheks> 'custom web extentions' .. interesting, >  Firefox’s SmartBlock feature now blocks third-party Facebook scripts https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/07/firefox-90-released-new-features
[17:01] <oerheks> you might want to consult the #firefox channel for this?
[17:01] <guest3245> custom webextension == self made, so they have no signature
[17:03] <guest3245> the firefox "flavour" in ubuntu used to have a feature that you could disable the mandatory signature check using the xpinstall.signatures.required, but that seems to be gone now
[17:03] <guest3245> that is not part of official firefox, so I doubt they would help me with that
[17:03] <oerheks> you might need to register for joining #firefox
[17:11] <Tenkawa> oerheks: is there a ubuntu development specific channel? I need to ask a dpkg specific question but its Impish related
[17:13] <genii> !next
[17:13] <genii> Hm
[17:13] <oerheks> Tenkawa, for future release, join #ubuntu+1 or maybe #ubuntu-packaging #ubuntu-devel
[17:13] <Tenkawa> thanks
[17:16] <genii> oerheks: +1 has been transitioned to #ubuntu-next
[17:16] <oerheks> oh indeed, now it is #ubuntu+1-maint
[17:27] <ApostleInTriumph> Hello. I'm trying to download a file from this bash script but it fails, i.e, HTTP response is 200, but the filesize is 0 bytes. wget raises no further error as well. Can you please help me on how I can download this file from terminal?
[17:27] <ApostleInTriumph> the script : https://github.com/ThibaultGROUEIX/3D-CODED/blob/master/inference/download_trained_models.sh
[17:28] <leftyfb> ApostleInTriumph: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ThibaultGROUEIX/3D-CODED/master/inference/download_trained_models.sh
[17:28] <ApostleInTriumph> leftyfb that's the same file I posted?
[17:29] <leftyfb> yes
[17:30] <ApostleInTriumph> leftyfb anyway, this is the traceback I get
[17:30] <ApostleInTriumph> https://bpa.st/QWLQ
[17:32] <leftyfb> ApostleInTriumph: you'll have to contact the author of the script for support with the script
[17:32] <ApostleInTriumph> leftyfb is it possible to download from google drive using wget?
[17:33] <leftyfb> ApostleInTriumph: I'm not sure. Try #bash
[18:29] <ash_worksi> is there a command to get a specific user's home directory path?
[18:29] <ash_worksi> ah, I see, just prefix a username with a tilde
[18:31] <ash_worksi> is there a shortcut for `user:user` for ch* commands ?
[18:32] <oerheks> $USER would be user, $HOME would be the folder
[18:34] <ash_worksi> oerheks: I mean of a user that's not me; like postgres
[18:35] <ash_worksi> oerheks: but what I'm discovering is I can do something like `root@server$ cd ~postgres`
[18:35] <oerheks> oh oke, some service names have no home folder..
[18:35] <alkisg> ash_worksi: getent passwd postgres | awk -F: '{print $6}'
[18:36] <ash_worksi> oerheks: right... interesting aside: what happens if you `sudo su - user_without_home` ?
[18:36] <ash_worksi> also, that doesn't answer my question about user:user, but my guess is, "no"
[18:36] <oerheks> hmm, interesting indeed
[18:38] <alkisg> If $HOME doesn't exist for a user, they log in to /
[18:38] <ash_worksi> which one is the easier command again? useradd or adduser?
[18:39] <ash_worksi> alkisg: thanks
[18:39] <ash_worksi> now I don't have to make a dummy user and TIAS
[18:39] <ash_worksi> so, nvm on useradd/adduser
[18:39] <oerheks> one is a bunch of scripts around the other one
[18:39] <ash_worksi> yes, that much I am aware
[18:39] <oerheks> useradd is the binairy
[18:40] <kincerb> Yeah, adduser is a debian thing. I'm used to useradd from RHEL.
[18:45] <sarnold> ash_worksi: something like: `getent passwd sarnold | awk -F: '{print $6;}'`
[18:45] <sarnold> oh hah, alkisg beat me to it :)
[18:45] <ash_worksi> sarnold: is that perferred over just ~sarnold ?
[18:46] <kincerb> Also, not sure the context of the earlier chown question... but if you do `chown userid:  filename` it will use the user's login group for changing ownership.
[18:47] <sarnold> ash_worksi: I don't know if ~sarnold is just something that works in the shells or if it also works via glob(3) -- but if works for you, it's certainly easier! :)
[18:47] <ash_worksi> sarnold: I just assumed it was an ubuntu or debian thing
[18:48] <ash_worksi> but it seems to work on ubuntu machines
[18:48] <ash_worksi> though I don't know about users without a home dir
[18:48] <Tenkawa> kincerb: that doesnt change group
[18:49] <Tenkawa> chown only changes uid not gid
[18:49] <kincerb> Hmm, thanks @Tenkawa , I read that from the chown manpage.
[18:49] <ash_worksi> Tenkawa: I am fairly certain you can change group using `chown user:user`
[18:49] <kincerb> You can, someone asked about shortcuts.
[18:49] <Tenkawa> ash_worksi: if you : yes… but not just using uid
[18:49] <sarnold> ash_worksi: good question; I've never seen a user without one, but it probably can happen..
[18:50] <Tenkawa> you must uid:gid
[18:51] <ash_worksi> Tenkawa: I am not sure what you mean; as root, I can run `chown ashm: file` and `ls -al` shows it as "ashm ashm"
[18:52] <Tenkawa> https://paste.debian.net/1204927/
[18:52] <Tenkawa> look right there
[18:52] <Tenkawa> all I did is chown na
[18:52] <Tenkawa> it only changed the user not the group
[18:52] <kincerb> Oh, you need the colon
[18:53] <Tenkawa> exactly
[18:53] <kincerb> But you don't specify the group after the colon.
[18:53] <Tenkawa> which is my point
[18:53] <Tenkawa> and is also very dangerous
[18:54] <Tenkawa> not fully qualifying it if you use a :
[18:54] <kincerb> Fair point, I was just trying offer options to try.
[18:54] <Tenkawa> but I did like the getenr btw
[18:55] <Tenkawa> er getent
[18:55] <Tenkawa> whoever put that up earlier
[18:55] <Tenkawa> that reminded me of some svr4 methodology
[18:56] <ash_worksi> Tenkawa: you were correcting kincerb erroneously; they have a trailing colon
[18:57] <Tenkawa> ash_worksi: eh?
[18:57] <[itchyjunk]> hi
[18:57] <[itchyjunk]> is snap as trustable as `apt` ? I don't think twice when installing with `apt`. only think i've installed with `snap` is hexchat but seems like snap is used for momre installs (currently getting `ksnap`) and wondering if i need to worry about anything.
[18:57] <ash_worksi> 12:48 < Tenkawa> kincerb: that doesnt change group
[18:58] <ash_worksi> yes (see below)
[18:58] <ash_worksi> 12:46 < kincerb> Also, not sure the context of the earlier chown question... but if you do `chown userid:  filename` it will use the user's login group for changing ownership.
[18:58] <sarnold> [itchyjunk]: well, snaps are published by anybody with an hour or two of free time. They're lightly sandboxed. I'd only recommend installing from folks you trust.
[18:59] <ash_worksi> Tenkawa: ^ their original statement contained a `:` .. that apparently does change the group, but if it's unreliable/dangerous, then maybe it's not a good idea to use it
[18:59] <[itchyjunk]> ah so not quite the same as `apt` then
[18:59] <[itchyjunk]> thanks
[18:59] <Tenkawa> ash_worksi: I missed that part of his/her sentence I agree
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> [itchyjunk]: snap info snapname to find out more
[19:00] <Tenkawa> I do however stand with my second part that it is not a "recommended" thing to do
[19:00] <ash_worksi> Also, fwiw, @everyone, I attempted `user:` in a fresh container and it errored
[19:00] <ash_worksi> chown: invalid spec
[19:01] <Tenkawa> this comes from learning the hard way from a bad chown -R early in my career
[19:01] <kincerb> No worries, like I said, I grabbed it from the man page. Probably depends on which version GNU coreutils you're using.
[19:01] <ash_worksi> hmmm... I will try to take that to heart (despite using chown -R a lot myself)
[19:01] <kincerb> Being verbose is definitely always best practice.
[19:02] <Tenkawa> at least thats not recursive
[19:02] <Tenkawa> hehe
[19:02] <Tenkawa> mine was
[19:04] <Tenkawa> any of you running (at least 1 person here I know is)… on arm hardware?
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> !arm | Tenkawa
[19:05] <ash_worksi> also, that was ubuntu:20.04
[19:05] <Tenkawa> ok… see ya
[19:05] <ash_worksi> I mean, when I got the chown spec error, that was on a ubuntu:20.04 container
[19:10] <ku4eto> hey folks
[19:10] <ku4eto> using 20.04, server installation, having some weird "issue" with the network interfaces
[19:11] <ku4eto> i have removed netplan and cloud-init, using only systemd-networkd
[19:11] <ku4eto> 2 VMWare VMXNET interfaces, both with static IP, using /etc/systemd/network/xxx.network files
[19:12] <ku4eto> but for some reason i also get on each interface an IP from the APIPA range
[19:13] <kincerb> Just for kicks I tried that chown command and it works for me. https://paste.gnome.org/pllvmpa7r
[19:13] <ku4eto> i had installed the net-tools package, but even after removing and rebooting, the APIPA IPs are persisting
[19:13] <ku4eto> and i cant seem to find where they come from
[19:14] <Exa> ku4eto: can you share your .network file?
[19:15] <ku4eto> Exa: https://dpaste.org/wBGg
[19:16] <ku4eto> dmesg provides nothing interesting, only eth0/1 renames to ens for the interfaces
[19:17] <ku4eto> systemd-networkd logs are even less descriptive, only 1 link up/gained carrier for each interface
[19:17] <Exa> ku4eto: I wouldn't be surprised if it comes from LinkLocalAddressing=ipv4  https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.network.html#LinkLocalAddressing=
[19:21] <ku4eto> just tested - removed it, restarted networkd, APIPA disappeared
[19:22] <ku4eto> enabled again ,restarted networkd, they dont appear
[19:22] <ku4eto> but after reboot, they appear again
[19:23] <ku4eto> seems like this was the cause
[19:23] <ku4eto> disabled - rebooted, no APIPA
[19:23] <ku4eto> but... why does it assign APIPA, when there is successful static link up?
[19:32] <RedNifre> What's the best way to create a little Youtube video on Ubuntu? It's been years since I last done it. I want to record a part of my screen, narrate it and maybe cut it.
[19:32] <rfm> ku4eto, the static net 10 address isn't a link-local address (only 169.254.x.x.are)
[19:32] <leftyfb> RedNifre: there's several screen recorders available in the ubuntu software store that you can search for
[19:33] <RedNifre> yeah, but which ones are good?
[19:33] <leftyfb> RedNifre: feel free to ask for opinions on software in #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:33] <RedNifre> alright
[19:33] <leftyfb> RedNifre: or try them out for yourself and determine which one suits your personal needs the best
[19:34] <RedNifre> Asking people with experience is faster, that's why I'm asking.
[19:39] <ku4eto> rfm: i guess i have to check whats the definition of link-local addresses :| thanks
[19:41] <RedNifre> If anyone else was wondering, the answer is OBS.
[19:43] <rfm> ku4eto, looks like rfc 3927 is what to read... https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3927.txt
[19:47] <leftyfb> RedNifre: your answer might be OBS, but that won't fit everyone's needs
[20:00] <ku4eto> alright, another issue - how would i go with networkd DHCP enabled, but requesting ONLY ipv4?
[20:01] <ult> Hey all, thanks for the help last night, I managed to make progress. Previously I could only get the boxes to boot in rescue mode, but it turns out that 'nomodeset' will let them boot "normally" to a graphical desktop etc.
[20:01] <ku4eto> with [Network] DHCP=ipv4, i still get an ipv6 address
[20:01] <ku4eto> mind, this is with sysctl config for no ipv6
[20:01] <ult> Without 'nomodeset' the kernel seems to be poking the GPU early on, and as soon as plymouth starts, the GPU drops off the bus, and the system hangs a few seconds later
[20:02] <sarnold> ku4eto: try adding IPv6AcceptRA=no as described at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/IPv6#systemd-networkd_3
[20:03] <ku4eto> sarnold: the thing is, i already have it :|
[20:05] <sarnold> ku4eto: oh :/
[20:06] <shibboleth> TJ-, ping
[20:06] <shibboleth> i've run into yet another issue with grub 2.04, diff issue, diff hardware
[20:07] <shibboleth> if this is happening to me alone with this frequency it isn't unreasonable to suspect that something is rotten in denmark
[20:07] <leftyfb> ku4eto: can't just disable ipv6 entirely on the machine?
[20:07] <shibboleth> ku4eto, nano /etc/default/grub, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="ipv6.disable=1"
[20:07] <shibboleth> update-grub2, reboot
[20:08] <ku4eto> shibboleth: leftyfb net.ipv6. disabling does not work?
[20:09] <ku4eto> in the sysctl.conf
[20:10] <leftyfb> ku4eto: it should work, maybe sure to specify all and/or your interfaces directly. Though I did notice that when building bridge interfaces, it seems to not find them in time before attempting to disable ipv6
[20:11] <ku4eto> its both .all,.default and .lo defined as .disable_ipv6=1
[20:11] <ku4eto> i will try as well with the GRUB
[20:12] <shibboleth> ku4eto, kernel boot flags must be applied at boot
[20:12] <shibboleth> so, do what i said *and* reboot, no need to mess with sysctl
[20:14] <ku4eto> yea, doing that as well, but why are the sysctl settings ignored?
[20:14] <ku4eto> it works for handles, open files and everything else
[20:14] <ku4eto> also, feels like i have seen your username somewhere else
[20:14] <shibboleth> not "as well"
[20:14] <shibboleth> just dew it
[20:15] <shibboleth> it disables the kernels ipv6 support, there will be no relevant systcl entries
[20:15] <shibboleth> so, minute eight of you refusing to heed the advice you asked for
[20:16] <ku4eto> well, the sysctl worked before for sure
[20:21] <ku4eto> best practices question: whta would be considered better, when running a VM on VMWare, setup through a template
[20:21] <ku4eto> predictable interface names or the old eth ones?
[20:33] <leftyfb> ku4eto: best practices is keeping the defaults. If you have other personal needs then adjust accordingly
[20:57] <ku4eto> huh, made the VM as a template, created 2 new VMs from that tempalte - using the .network file for the networkd, with DHCP=ipv4... and both machines get the same IP from the DHCP for some reason
[20:57] <nemo> ku4eto: you didn't change the mac address I guess
[20:57] <leftyfb> ku4eto: did you change the machine-id for each machine?
[20:57] <leftyfb> and/or MAC
[20:59] <ku4eto> the MAC address is changed ofc
[20:59] <ku4eto> VMWare does this automatically on creation from template
[20:59] <leftyfb> ku4eto: machine-id
[21:01] <ku4eto> leftyfb: hm yes, its the same for some reason
[21:02] <ku4eto> i will see why is that, thanks for the pointer
[21:05] <ku4eto> or i could have just used "ClientIdentifier=mac", but i didnt read the docs properly
[21:07] <leftyfb> ku4eto: https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/82229
[21:08] <leftyfb> though, it's not a very good article as far as the workaround goes. Just purge the /etc/machine-id in your template. New machine-id's should be generated on boot
[21:08] <leftyfb> no need to delete the file and relink /var/lib/dbus/machine-id and also set dhcp-identifier: mac   doesn't make a lot of sense actually
[22:36] <jackneill> hey
[22:36] <jackneill> where can i request features in the terminal app?
[22:36] <jackneill> it would be great if i could name terminal tabs
[22:36] <jackneill> so i can keep track of them
[22:36] <jackneill> like in tmux.
[22:37] <Bashing-om> jackneill: xterm has that abilkity to name the terminal tabs.
[22:37] <Bashing-om> ability*
[22:59] <sixwheeledbeast> start a terminal with -t flag followed by name
[23:04] <quitman> Just installed ubuntu on my new laptop. How do i change so it uses the mic from the laptop and not my headset? Right now theres no voice coming through my headphones but when i remove the headset the mic works.(as it uses the laptop one)
[23:13] <jeremy31> quitman: see if there is something in sound settings, input tab
[23:16] <quitman> jeremy31: In alsamixer?
[23:16] <sixwheeledbeast> just sound settings
[23:17] <jeremy31> quitman: The Sound Settings GUI
[23:17] <quitman> i use i3
[23:17] <sixwheeledbeast> will be pulse I imagine.
[23:19] <quitman> So, what couldi try?
[23:20] <sixwheeledbeast> pulsemixer maybe?
[23:21] <sixwheeledbeast> i use mate DE so would use mate-volume-control GUI
[23:26] <quitman> I guess it's trying to use the mic on my headset. But i want to use the mic from the laptop. How can i change that?
[23:28] <Inglebert> quitman: click the heading bar at the top right, then you'll see settings. Then down the left side you'll see sound. In the sound settings you will see input devices.
[23:30] <oerheks> !info pavucontrol
[23:31] <oerheks> maybe this tool can help you select 2 devices
[23:31] <quitman> Inglebert: It only lists one input device. WHen i dont have the headset plugged in it works. When i plug in the headset it breaks
[23:31] <oerheks> or bluez might help reroute mic to your laptop mic
[23:32] <oerheks> my bet is pavucontrol
[23:33] <Inglebert> Then I'm gonna +1 for pavucontrol
[23:36] <quitman> Doesen't seem to work there eaither
[23:41] <oerheks> logout/login ore force it; pulseaudio -k && sudo alsa force-reload
[23:41] <oerheks> then open pavu
[23:42] <Inglebert> It's weird you can't select input device. Is there no drop down for the inputs?
[23:44] <oerheks> in terminal; alsamixer > f6
[23:44] <oerheks> gnome sound should give them too
[23:48] <quitman> Bleh, i'm too tired for this now xD