[03:29] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:01] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:10] <ducasse> good morning
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: https://www.ebay.com/itm/323866493294
[17:34] <leftyfb> those are kinda sexy
[17:35] <leftyfb> though I did just find a bunch of the originals I still have
[17:36] <leftyfb> I'm thinking I could potentially make those at my makerspace. Maybe toss some brushed aluminum in the tormach and 3d print the black surround
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> cool
[17:36] <leftyfb> I wonder what the black is made out of there
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> looks like rubber?
[17:38] <leftyfb> that's some high accuracy cutting for rubber
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> Material: 0.1 mm aluminium / 0.9 mm black carbon
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> Emblem Size: 25 mm / 35 mm 
[17:39] <leftyfb> "black carbon"
[17:40] <leftyfb> if they weren't so expensive I'd pick up a couple
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> yeah its a bit much 
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> buy 2 get 3 thats 6 pieces for 24$
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> welcome michaelrose 
[17:55] <michaelrose> yes because everyone wants to discuss in the channel where nobody is actually there
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> michaelrose: oerheks was sharing an article about that few days ago
[17:56] <michaelrose> There is a much bigger recent development
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> got a newer source?
[17:57] <michaelrose> There is what amounts to youtube-dl for sheetmusic from muse which like youtube-dl isn't itself infringing as it has substantial non infringing use in an effort to shut it down an executive of the muse group their "head of strategy" began a discussion with the developer with a threat to work with the chinese government to have something happen to the fellow
 discussion going on, https://fosspost.org/audacity-is-now-a-spyware/ https://www.audacityteam.org/about/desktop-privacy-notice/
[17:59] <michaelrose> specifically they noted he was a chinese national living abroad and he noted that legal trouble could have caused him to be deported back to china where he would be deported for his anti PRC rhetoric
[18:00] <michaelrose> statements like " Otherwise, I will have to transfer information about you to lawyers who will cooperate with github.com and Chinese government to physically find you and stop the illegal use of licensed content."
[18:00] <michaelrose> > Upon further investigation, it became clear that Wenzheng Tang is a Chinese national, but not resident in China. As a guest in his current country, his residency status is predicated on a number of conditions, one of which is not violating the law.
[18:00] <michaelrose> > If found in violation of laws, residency may be revoked and he may be deported to his home country.
[18:00] <michaelrose> > This becomes even further complicated given another repo of his - Fuck 学习强国, which is highly critical of the Chinese government. Were he deported to China, who knows how he may be received. 
[18:12] <leftyfb> michaelrose: has there been a recent development beyond them saying "Error reporting and basic system information collection is opt-in, but automatic update checking (which sends your IP address to them at every usage) is opt-out." which to me would be perfectly acceptable if they're telling the truth
[18:13] <leftyfb> michaelrose: just future reference though, this sort of thing certainly doesn't belong in an ubuntu support channel. Giving feedback like this could be done on the ubuntu discourse pages
[18:21] <michaelrose> I hate that everyone has 7 different chat programs now
[18:21] <michaelrose> Do you trust someone who says they will work with the Chinese government to get dissidents with ANY data?
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> anyone can chat with the client of choice?
[19:12] <michaelrose> no I mean that at one point in time IRC was the clear winner for open source projects and IRC had some flaws and we ended up with slack telegram teams discourse etc etc etc
[19:12] <michaelrose> almost all of which are centralized
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> its true these days mobile wins a lot 
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> some channels do have telegram bridges to irc
[19:14] <michaelrose> I kind of wish people had just improved IRC
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> improved how
[19:17] <sarnold> having scrollback available to clients who werent connected is the usual #1 feature request
[19:28] <leftyfb> michaelrose: discourse != discord