[00:02] <lantech19446> i just disabled the firewall for a second it's not the firewall so i'm not sure what's interrupting it but this is probably gods way of telling me to do it tomorro
[00:03] <sarnold> hah :)
[00:05] <lantech19446> sometimes i just don't know how to put work down
[01:13] <naruto> I wanted to know why my web browser does not start if I don't have an internet connection
[01:15] <sarnold> try running it from a terminal rather than just clicking an icon, perhaps it emits a handy error message
[01:15] <naruto> will try
[01:15] <dman777> wpa_gui is not showing any network devices. Anyone know why? iwlist wlp58s0 scan works with no issues, it's just wpa_gui
[01:22] <naruto_> sarnold should i send a text message or a link to image showing error?
[01:23] <oerheks> nobody uses wpa_gui it seems, not even an article/howto,.. it is all wpa supplicant nowadays, networkmanager/nm-cli
[01:23] <sarnold> naruto_: hmm, that just said a screenshot name and sha256sum of the image..
[01:23] <naruto_> it couldn't load that way
[01:23] <sarnold> naruto_: the text of the messages in a pastebin is usually best
[01:23] <naruto_> ok
[01:25] <naruto_> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/H7dnRxV6jq/
[01:25] <naruto_> here
[01:25] <oerheks> edge?
[01:26] <naruto_> lol i recently started using ubuntu and couldn't sync my settings from windows so i downloaded edge
[01:27] <oerheks> but you worry that that browser does not start without networking..
[01:27] <naruto_> nah not really a matter of concern
[01:28] <naruto_> just wanna know if that's right to happen or not
[01:28] <sarnold> my guess is that's worth three separate bug reports to the edge team -- one for the sandbox error, one for the ntp error, one for the curl resolution error
[01:28] <oerheks> i would expect it to open myself.
[01:28] <oerheks> that ntp is a hint, sure
[01:28] <naruto_> sarnold i see
[01:29] <naruto_> i will try it with firefox then
[01:29] <naruto_> edge is on beta anyways
[01:30] <naruto_> thanks for making things clear
[01:30] <oerheks> +have fun!
[01:34] <dman777> oerheks: I am looking for a wifi manager that is light wieght
[01:36]  * srv thinks winbuntu should be consider a separate linux/windows distro from the plain ubuntu lol just jokin there is no winbunto but ther ie a wsl2=windos subsystem for linuxany ways got to go :)
[01:50] <lantech19446> anyone here versed in  lamp servers or apache?
[01:50] <Croran> had to buy a 4k monitor to fit the volume controls for my sound card...
[01:50] <Croran> https://pasteboard.co/Kc81bKr.png
[01:50] <yukiup> linux apache mysql php
[01:51] <Croran> lantech19446: yeah I ran them professionally back in the day. well it was more FAPP (freebsd/postgres), but similar.
[01:53] <lantech19446> ok i know nothing about webdev the site was up earlier i believe it just went down, apache status says active i've restarted apache service and the server itself nothing brought the page back up, what should i be checking
[01:54] <lantech19446> i'm also sure it's not dns because i'm sshing in with the domain name
[01:55] <Croran> lantech19446: apache status page, if one is active. other apache virtual servers on the same box... try bypass dns by adding server ip to your local hosts file with the correct domain that correlates to your apache virtual server...
[01:55] <lantech19446> we only have the one server, i should have been more specific i'm trying to access the site remotely
[01:56] <Croran> yeah one server... httpd.conf has your virtual hosts directives...
[01:56] <lantech19446> not sure if it's working inside the building or not, i'm trying to avoid going in
[01:56] <Croran> hence, apache virtual servers
[01:56] <lantech19446> ok is that in /etc/apache2?
[01:56] <Croran> probably. depends on your OS/ apache packaging
[01:57] <Croran> you could always `locate httpd.conf`
[01:57] <lantech19446> nothing comes back to locate
[01:58] <Croran> you're running ubuntu?
[01:58] <lantech19446> yes
[01:58] <Croran> and ubuntu normal repo package for apache?
[01:59] <lantech19446> as far as i know, i didn't build this server
[01:59] <sarnold> Croran: lol
[02:00] <Croran> hmm. apparently it's in apache2.conf nowadays and httpd.conf is an old name?
[02:00] <Croran> and your virtual hosts are now in the 'sites-enabled' directory
[02:01] <lantech19446> ok
[02:02] <Croran> so check all your virtual hosts. see if any of them function. there could be a separate virtual host for your domain vs one that is by IP address, or maybe one that is local access only at localhost/127.0.0.1
[02:03] <Croran> check your output of `netstat -apn`
[02:03] <Croran> to see if your apache is listening on the correct ip and ports
[02:03] <Croran> sarnold: ?
[02:03] <sarnold> Croran: I thought your screenshot was funny :)
[02:03] <lantech19446> the only thing i'm finding in sites-enabled that mentions a virtual host is for port 80 and says the site root is /var/www/site
[02:04] <Croran> sarnold: thanks. :)
[02:04] <Croran> lantech19446: so it's not associated with any domain name or ip address?
[02:04] <lantech19446> *:80 i'm assuming that means to listen on all interfaces
[02:05] <Croran> yeah. well for http. not https.
[02:05] <Croran> what happens when you try to browse to your page? browser just times out with no error? or is it page not found or a blank page or something?
[02:05] <lantech19446> site cannot be reached took to long to respond
[02:06] <Croran> and you're going to http://yoursite right? and not https://yoursite?
[02:06] <sarnold> sounds like a firewall configured to DROP packets rather than REJECT them
[02:06] <Croran> and what did netstat show?
[02:08] <lantech19446> it's showing a tcp listener on 80 but no active connections on the IP for the server other than my ssh session
[02:08] <Croran> okay and now from your local machine do a 'telnet <ip of server> 80'
[02:09] <lantech19446> our site has ssl and functions on http and https
[02:10] <lantech19446> i just saw those messages
[02:10] <lantech19446> it's trying to telnet but it's not doing anything
[02:10] <Croran> that's bizarre you're able to ssh to it, but not telnet to port 80... and apache is listening...
[02:11] <lantech19446> i think i may know what happened i gotta try something
[02:11] <lantech19446> the firewall comment just triggered something
[02:11] <Croran> yeah firewall issue is consistent with behavior
[02:12] <lantech19446> i wonder if i started the firewall when it was turned off
[02:13] <Croran> try `telnet 127.0.0.1 80` on the server machine.
[02:13] <lantech19446> i added the rules for http and https to ufw and now it's working again
[02:13] <Croran> ah. good.
[02:13] <Croran> so no apache problem after all
[02:14] <lantech19446> nope thank god, I forgot that ubuntu shows you messages like you're completing the command no matter what so i disabled an already disabled firewall and then started it lol
[02:16] <lantech19446> thank you so much Croran i really appreciate all your help
[02:19] <Croran> lantech19446: you're welcome
[04:36] <guest3426> anyone know why xpinstall.signatures.required has no effect anymore after updating to FireFox 90?
[04:38] <oerheks> guest3426, i answered you last time, not enough?
[04:39] <guest3426> oerheks unfortunately it didnt quite answer my question, or resolve the issue
	guest3426, did you ask in #firefox? well,. without knowing what your custom webextentions are, maybe you better join this bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1714767
[04:39] <oerheks> ask in #firefox?
[04:40] <guest3426> that bug is about developer edition and should be resolved already? Im using standard edition
[04:40] <guest3426> and this is Ubuntu specific bug, I doubt they would care about it in #firefox
[04:41] <oerheks> if those web extentions handle FTP, that is discussed in the releasenoted too
[04:41] <guest3426> no, has nothing to do with FTP. the issue is about signatures
[04:42] <oerheks> post your issue on askubuntu?
[04:42] <guest3426> specifically why the FireFox build on Ubuntu now requires extensions to be signed while it didnt previously
[04:43] <guest3426> I did post on launchpad questions
[04:46] <oerheks> interesting, i don't see any https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bugs?orderby=-datecreated&start=0
[04:48] <guest3426> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/698053
[04:48] <guest3426> I wonder if that is becasue it's marked "answered" now (since someone commented on it)?
[04:50] <guest3426> oh wait, you listed bugs, mine is a question
[04:51] <oerheks> i think my bugzilla url is valid for your bugreport.
[04:51] <guest3426> I'm planning filing a bug after I have asked around a bit more
[04:51] <guest3426> you sure it list questions too?
[04:52] <guest3426> I see only bugs on that list
[05:10] <Swift110-mobile> hey all
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> welcome Swift110-mobile
[05:27] <Swift110-mobile> thanks lotuspsychje how are you?
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> all good tnx
[05:34] <CoolerY> Hi
[05:34] <CoolerY> how do you inflate?
[05:43] <Swift110-mobile> good to hear lotuspsychje
[08:06] <Bardon> Hello, I'm running into an error while doing apt upgrade. It says "installed linux-image-5.8.0-63-generic package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1". See full log at https://dpaste.com/9NEQL6U8P.txt
[08:06] <Bardon> What can I do?
[08:11] <olspookishmagus> hello, I'm trying to have a live media with ubuntu (kubuntu/xubuntu/ubuntu) to boot to systemd.unit = multi-user.target
[08:12] <alkisg> Bardon: what's the output of `mount | grep boot` ?
[08:12] <olspookishmagus> but even if I put that into the boot options it does work
[08:12] <olspookishmagus> is this a deprecated option? does it have a special place it has to be?
[08:12] <alkisg> olspookishmagus: are you putting spaces around the equals sign?
[08:13] <olspookishmagus> ummm, good suggestion patrida, I'll check to make sure I don't
[08:13] <alkisg> 👍️
[08:15] <olspookishmagus> seems like that wasn't the issue at all, it's just that kubuntu kept on displaying a graphical splash screen which got me confused but in the end it left me to a VTY, which is what I wanted to happend
[08:15] <olspookishmagus> thanks alkisg
[08:15] <alkisg> Great! You can also remove "splash" if you want
[08:18] <olspookishmagus> ummm, that's another great suggestion, you're on a streak
[08:18] <olspookishmagus> can I buy you some ouzo anyhow?
[08:21] <alkisg> Haha, thanks, it's still coffee time! :)
[08:21] <alkisg> Btw what's the end goal?
[08:24] <olspookishmagus> bunch of old desktops, put them in row, boot a Live Media (via PXE), get their specs, check their HDD contents, zerofill them and them break them to parts - keep the best available and working setup per socket and the best available and working setup per memory technology for future test needs - index the rest and have them donated/recycled
[08:24] <olspookishmagus> I forgot to mention BACKUP if needed
[08:24] <olspookishmagus> but I wonder whterhet I'll be able to traverse into Greek directories from a VTY :/
[08:25] <olspookishmagus> whether*
[08:25] <alkisg> olspookishmagus: you could easily netboot them with ltsp and control them via epoptes, like we do in greek schools :)
[08:25] <strangr> i am trying to connect a USB mic to my laptop, i get the following error in dmesg
[08:25] <alkisg> That way you don't need to get up from your office chair when gathering the specs
[08:25] <strangr> https://pastebin.com/AUeuDppn
[08:26] <alkisg> olspookishmagus: https://ts.sch.gr/wiki/Linux/LTSP
[08:26] <olspookishmagus> alkisg: would you mind me pestering you in private PLEASE?
[08:26] <strangr> can someone help me with what the issue may be  here....
[08:26] <alkisg> olspookishmagus: sure, go ahead
[08:27] <Bardon> alkisg: /dev/sdb1 on /boot type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0077,dmask=0077,codepage=437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro)
[08:27] <Bardon> alksig: Sorry I had minimized my window and didn't pay attention
[08:27] <strangr> system dell latitude e6410 running ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS kernel 5.8.0-59-generic
[08:28] <alkisg> Bardon: fat doesn't allow symlinks; it's best not to use fat for /boot
[08:29] <Bardon> alkisg: Should I move the content of /boot, format it to something like ext4 then move the content back
[08:29] <Bardon> then apt -f install or something?
[08:29] <strangr> even though the laptop has a USB 2.0 port it is somehow reading the microphone as "full speed" device rather than a "high speed" device.. check paste here https://pastebin.com/AUeuDppn
[08:31] <alkisg> Bardon: yup. Is there anything special about your /boot, e.g. is it raspberry or uefi or something?
[08:31] <Bardon> It's used by coreboot
[08:31] <Bardon> If that matters
[08:33] <alkisg> No idea if coreboot requires fat
[08:34] <alkisg> You can also workaround the issue by copying /boot to /boot2, unmounting /boot, then copying /boot2 to the underlying /boot (that's from partition2 now), then running apt-install -f, then putting back /boot
[08:34] <alkisg> But ...it's not a good thing to do that all the time
[08:34] <Bardon> My Coreboot launches GRUB, which looks for a grub.cfg if I understood correctly
[08:35] <Bardon> I'll try formatting I think
[08:39] <Bardon> alksig: sudo umount /dev/sdb1; sudo mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1; I get "/dev/sdb1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!"
[08:39] <Bardon> It unmounted fine I believe. How can it be in use by the system
[08:41] <Bardon> Could it be because it has a boot flag?
[08:44] <strangr> which would be the right channel (if not this) for specific questions on usb device drivers
[08:44] <alkisg> Bardon: mount | grep sdb will tell you
[08:44] <alkisg> Bardon: for example, maybe you have cd'ed into it in a shell
[08:44] <alkisg> And unmount wasn't successful
[08:53] <Bardon> alksig: There's no output to mount | grep sdb
[08:57] <alkisg> Bardon: what's the output of `sudo parted -l; sudo lsblk --fs` ?
[08:57] <alkisg> (use tab to autocomplete my name, to get it typed correctly, so that I get notifications)
[08:59] <Bardon> alkisg: Oh I'm sorry I missread it the first time and then kept on missspelling it
[09:00] <ducasse> strangr: try #linux
[09:00] <olspookishmagus> thank you very much alkisg, very very much
[09:00] <alkisg> olspookishmagus: cheers man, good luck with your endeavors!
[09:01] <Bardon> alkisg: Ehm, so since it wasn't working, I did the cp method. I just rebooted, tried again and it formatted fine this time
[09:01] <alkisg> 👍️
[09:05] <Bardon> alkisg: It rebooted fine but it seems to take a long time. How can I know if a job hanged and waited?
[09:06] <Bardon> seems to have taken a long time*. It has booted
[09:07] <alkisg> Bardon: cat /etc/fstab
[09:07] <alkisg> If you have /boot there, with uuid, you need to update it to the new one
[09:07] <Bardon> ah it still says vfat there
[09:08] <Bardon> oh I thought the uuid would stay the same
[09:08] <Bardon> indeed, it changed!
[09:08] <alkisg> No you need a completely new line, with ext4 and new uuid
[09:09] <Bardon> "mount: /boot: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error." :(
[09:10] <Bardon> alkisg: Here is my fstab https://dpaste.com/FJYY6MLTM.txt
[09:10] <alkisg> UUID=<uuid>	/boot		ext4	defaults	0	2
[09:11] <Bardon> Ah, thanks
[09:11] <alkisg> Wow that dpaste takes ages to load...
[09:11] <alkisg> cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999 => much faster
[09:11] <Bardon> All good now :)
[09:11] <alkisg> 👍️
[09:12] <Bardon> Nice, I'll not that one down
[09:14] <Bardon> It rebooted fine
[09:14] <Bardon> alkisg: Thanks a lot :)
[09:16] <Bardon> alkisg: In general, how can I know which job hanged the boot process?
[09:16] <Bardon> Once the computer has booted and without plugging a screen to that computer since it's a server
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> Bardon: usualy you can F1 at boot process to textboot and see errors
[09:30] <oerheks> systemd-analyze blame ## journalctl -b -0 shows messages from the current boot, journalctl -b -1 from the previous boot ##
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> there was bootchart package too, but not sure its still valid these days?
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> !info bootchart
[09:31] <oerheks> systemd-analyze plot > filename.svg
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> !info systemd-bootchart
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> there
[09:32] <Bardon> oerheks: Perfect, thansk :)
[09:35] <alkisg> Bardon: what the others said; and also, `systemctl --failed` shows failed units; the boot.mount unit would show up there as failed
[09:39] <Bardon> Ok, thanks !
[10:17] <webchat57> Hey everyone ! I'm new to ubuntu I just want to know that is 8Gb of USB suffiecient to run live ubuntu or i need a dedicated ssd/hdd to install ubuntu on it
[10:18] <olspookishmagus> webchat57: you're describing two different scopes, which as a consquence have very different prerequisities
[10:18] <olspookishmagus> are you interested in running ubuntu live or install it?
[10:19] <webchat57> olspookishmagus: Ubuntu Live without installing it on windows pc
[10:21] <oerheks> desktop iso gnome is just 2.6 gb, use mkusb to make the rest of the space persistent https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/03/create-persistent-storage-live-usb-with.html
[10:21] <olspookishmagus> webchat57: so the prequisite for running a Live Ubuntu system varies on the Ubuntu version, have a look here: https://ubuntu.com/core/docs/supported-platforms
[10:21] <olspookishmagus> as for the USB's available storage space that also depends on what "flavor" you're using
[10:25] <webchat57> I'm just  trying to figure out that  i have flashed a 8gb usb with ubuntu 20.04.2.0 iso file now next ??
[10:26] <oerheks> boot it? and have fun
[10:27] <D__> webchat57: you have to select in the boot menu during your computer's startup
[10:27] <webchat57> so if i reboot the system will my files will deleted or not?
[10:27] <D__> webchat57: No, you can just explore it in live mode and then decide what you want to delete
[10:27] <D__> During the installation
[10:28] <D__> So your files are safe while you're booted from the USB drive
[10:29] <webchat57> i just want to make my usb like plug and play but also want that the files on ubuntu which i work upon are safe and removing usb is itpossible
[10:29] <oerheks> well, if you don't have a backup of your files, they are not important.
[10:29] <oerheks> *files from hdd
[10:30] <olspookishmagus> webchat57: if you MOUNT your Windows Directory and start DELETING files no, those are considered DELETED
[10:30] <webchat57> oerheks:Sounds great but not every time
[10:30] <olspookishmagus> also you can mess your Windows installation by playing with those, just play with files in non crucial to Windows' installation directories, for example: your Desktop
[10:30] <D__> olspookishmagus: I don't think he was going to do so
[10:31] <olspookishmagus> D__: assumption is the mother of all something-I-don't-recall-what-don't-ask-me
[10:32] <olspookishmagus> there I might blew his/her trollling build up just by this xD
[10:32] <D__> olspookishmagus: fair enough haha
[10:33] <olspookishmagus> a gift for those who appreciate the finer things: https://github.com/talamus/solarize-12x29-psf
[10:46] <saunders> how do I read an environment variable declared in /etc/environment?  when I type "env" it's not listed.
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> !path | saunders can this help?
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> oh nvm gives a 500
[10:58] <saunders> lotuspsychje: Not so much
[10:58] <saunders> the variable is there.  it's declared.  it's not the $PATH variable but one I named myself, $FOO
[11:16] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:06] <[itchyjunk]> Hi, i have a vps with ubuntu 20.04 running. I have 2 servers running. I would like to add a new group and then add these services to that group.
[13:06] <[itchyjunk]> I am looking at googled commands but do i need to worry about specific security settings and such?
[13:07] <[itchyjunk]> oh i guess i then need to add user for each of my services and then add them to the group? /o\ i am confusing myself
[13:08] <rbasak> What do you mean by "service" and "group"? It might help to read https://xyproblem.info/ and then restate your question.
[13:09] <[itchyjunk]> When i started the vps instance, it gave me a user `ubuntu` and i've been using that to try stuff out. I have and unrealircd and a tor server running. My goal was to have the ircd behind the tor but i'm running into issue editing files
[13:10] <[itchyjunk]> trying to edit /etc/bin/torrc, i get a permission denied, so i think the solution is to have groups?
[13:10] <rbasak>  /etc/bin/torrc? Are you sure that path is correct?
[13:10] <rbasak> What editor are you trying to use?
[13:11] <[itchyjunk]>  /etc/tor/torrc *
[13:11] <[itchyjunk]> `nano -w /etc/tor/torrc`
[13:11] <[itchyjunk]> I can open it and read through it.
[13:11] <rbasak> Try "sudo nano -w /etc/tor/torrc"
[13:12] <[itchyjunk]> Is it a good idea to sudo it? Read somewhere that tor and the server should all have same permissions
[13:12] <[itchyjunk]> trying to follow this guide :
[13:12] <[itchyjunk]> https://community.torproject.org/onion-services/setup/
[13:12] <rbasak> If you're trying to edit a file, as a one-off for manual configuration of a service, then sudo is the correct tool to use.
[13:13] <[itchyjunk]> ah
[13:25] <polve> Hi.  I am trying to install gnome-tweaks, but here's apt's output http://ix.io/3tBG
[13:28] <polve> This is my /etc/apt/sources.list: http://ix.io/3tBI
[13:29] <polve> I have tried to follow the top voted answer here: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/389156/how-to-fix-held-broken-packages
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-tweaks focal
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> polve: try sudo apt autoremove
[13:31] <polve> Hi lotuspsychje, thank you. I already tried that
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> polve: what about sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade ?
[13:38] <polve> same. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[13:39] <polve> actually I did `dist-upgrade' instead of `full-upgrade', buy to my comprehension those are the same
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> polve: seems like bug #1868932
[13:39] <polve> s/buy/but
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> This bug was fixed in the package gnome-tweaks - 3.34.0-2ubuntu1
[13:41] <polve> then why am I experiencing it?
[13:41] <alkisg> polve: what's the output of `sudo apt install gnome-shell-extension-prefs` ?
[13:41] <alkisg> Sometimes the real reason that apt complains is a bit lower
[13:41] <alkisg> So you need to try installing the mentioned package
[13:42] <polve> alkisg: http://ix.io/3tBL
[13:42] <alkisg> Also, do you have anything it `apt-mark showhold`?
[13:43] <polve> > do you have anything it `apt-mark showhold`?
[13:43] <polve> No I don't
[13:44] <polve> sadly I am very much inexperienced with ubuntu and apt
[13:44] <alkisg> The output of this? apt policy gnome-shell-extension-prefs
[13:44] <polve> http://ix.io/3tBM
[13:45] <alkisg> You're missing focal-updates/universe from your sources: https://termbin.com/l9ze
[13:45] <alkisg> Run `software-properties-gtk` or whatever else ubuntu gnome uses (I'm on mate), and then apt update, and then go on with the installation
[13:46] <polve> but I have it uncommented in my sources.list, is that not enough?
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> polve: doublecheck on the software & updates icon
[13:47] <alkisg> You're missing a word there
[13:47] <polve> you are right, it isn't there
[13:47] <alkisg> https://termbin.com/ei2i
[13:50] <polve> it worked. Thank you lotuspsychje and alkisg
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> !yay | polve
[13:52] <bittin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9z8a9loDoc GUADEC is on
[14:45] <mloza> hello, in 18.04, when I ran dpkg-reconfigure -plow unattended-upgrades  doesn't set the unattended upgrade to 0 in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades
[15:50] <euouae> Hello how can I install the OpenMPI man pages on ubuntu?
[15:50]  * euouae tries to install the apt package openmpi-doc
[15:53] <euouae> That did it, thank you :)
[16:02] <hydrian_> Ello all
[16:02] <hydrian_> Does anybody know if Ubuntu >= 18.04 supported fstab.d ?
[16:09] <moha> Hi
[16:09] <venividivici1989> if you install libmount
[16:09] <venividivici1989> hi
[16:10] <sixwheeledbeast> I thought that concept was nuked years ago
[16:10] <venividivici1989> hmm maybe ur right, wait i google
[16:11] <moha> I installed ntp on ubuntu and run the service. But Cisco switches dose not take time from this NTP server. I searched and found Cisco devices does not support SNTP; How can I check if my ntp server is working in sntp mode or not?
[16:12] <hydrian> moha: SNTP != NTP
[16:12] <venividivici1989> looks like, if it is nuked, it is not supported
[16:12] <venividivici1989> as i read on github ppl say it is not supported anymore
[16:13] <hydrian> venividivici1989: Damn, I really wanted that function. Having all of mounts mixed together. To easy to break something unexpectedly.
[16:14] <venividivici1989> what do you want exactly?
[16:15] <hydrian> Does anybody if there are any cli tools for editing /etc/fstab? Yes I know it is just a textfile but I'd like something that'd have validation.
[16:16] <venividivici1989> as far as i know there is no validation tool, just read it twice, heheh
[16:16] <venividivici1989> or try a sim in a VM
[16:16] <moha> hydrian: when you install ntp on ubuntu (apt install ntp), the command to check the version is: > sntp --version
[16:17] <hydrian> I'm just dropping in some bind mounts right now. But I also trying to automate everything since I have enought desktop machines in house that is worth while.
[16:18] <TJ-> hydrian: this may help: "mount --all --fake --verbose"
[16:18] <venividivici1989> maybe you can try LVM?
[16:19] <hydrian> venividivici1989: What does LVM have to do with mounting?
[16:19] <Guest80> I noticed that about 10 hours ago, after unattended upgrades to various systemd packages, that many servers are failing to resolve host names and resolved is failing to start and using 100% CPU. Has anyone else seen this happening? I've noticed it in multiple clouds on a dozen servers so far.
[16:19] <venividivici1989> every drive can be split or merged, and mounted in one location as one path
[16:20] <TJ-> Guest80: what release, what versions?
[16:20] <Guest80> 20.04, and the versions are (let me get the unattended upgrade output)
[16:21] <hydrian> venividivici1989: That's no where near my use case. What I'm doing is bind mounting /var/lib/timekpr to a nextcloud synced directory.
[16:21] <venividivici1989> aaah! ckoud, i think i can help you out in that case :(
[16:21] <venividivici1989> cloud*
[16:22] <hydrian> Well the nextcloud instance is local and I need the file to exist even if the networking isn't working.
[16:22] <TJ-> Guest80: this one? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/245.4-4ubuntu3.10
[16:23] <venividivici1989> why not wrote a bashscript for it?
[16:23] <venividivici1989> write
[16:23] <venividivici1989> *
[16:23] <Guest80> @TJ- yes, it looks like it: https://pastebin.com/mJh5N6HN
[16:24] <TJ-> Guest80: please /join #ubuntu-security and lets get the devs that issued that patch involved
[16:25] <venividivici1989> hydrian: Can you code?
[16:26] <hydrian> venividivici1989: I have writen a script for the nextcloud sync. Maybe I should put the a mount check in the bash script itself as non-blocking action
[16:26] <hydrian> venividivici1989: Yea. Bash, perl, PHP, EmcaScript. A bit of Java,C,C++.
[16:27] <venividivici1989> Hydrian, aaah cool :), i think that is a idea, but it is not a full solution for what you need, i think
[16:28] <venividivici1989> hydrian, does a symlink work? with another path another sync?
[16:28] <venividivici1989> brb
[16:28] <hydrian> venividivici1989: I was hoping that the fstab.d had matured and I was just missing something. It unfortunatly went the completly other direction. :-(
[16:29] <venividivici1989> hydrian: can do a symlink do the trick?
[16:30] <TJ-> hydrian: you can dispense with fstab altogether; use systemd.mount units and those are verifiable
[16:34] <hydrian> TJ-: I like that idea...
[16:34] <hydrian> Especially since my update script runs as a systemd timer....
[16:38] <venividivici1989> interesting thing
[16:39] <sixwheeledbeast> hydrian: edit mount options in gnome-disks would be what I recommend to users that need GUI.
[16:42] <venividivici1989> i gtg 4 a while, ive food at the doorbell
[17:02] <hydrian> TJ-: systemd.mount looks perfect
[17:06] <TJ-> hydrian: I've done a lot of neat things with it; including a customise systemd-generator (bash script) to do clever things with Logical Volumes - generator creating runtime .mount units based on discovered storage and special requirements
[17:40] <moha> How can I check the protocol used by /sbin/ntpd is ntp or sntp?
[17:47] <ravage> Any SNTP client can synchronize to any NTP server. So the server always supports full ntp. Clients may only use the subset sntp
[18:56] <coconut> I installed gnome-boxes yesterday and it run fine. Today i tried starting it again, and it now only loads with sudo. Can i fix that?
[19:06] <venividivici1989> try command sudo chown username:username /path/to/gnomebox
[19:07] <sarnold> coconut: what's the error message you get when you run it? do you get more / additional errors in journalctl when using it?
[19:07] <BinarySavior> hello, i want to create a way to toggle my left shift button
[19:08] <BinarySavior> i want to invoke a script with a hotkey that will send keydown Shift_L
[19:08] <sarnold> BinarySavior: I don't know if you can do this on individual keys or not, but it might do the trick https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/a11y-stickykeys.html.en
[19:08] <BinarySavior> okay i will look at that
[19:09] <coconut> sarnold, no error at all when run under my username, under sudo it give some Gtk warning.
[19:12] <coconut> should /usr/bin/gnome-boxes not have my username ownership? It has root root now.
[19:12] <coconut> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1718920 Feb 25 20:20 /usr/bin/gnome-boxes*
[19:12] <weedmic> cheers - how do i set my hdmi monitor to be the "primary" and the dvi-i monitor to be the "secondary"?  they are on the same card.  also how do I check to see what the settings are now - in case they already are that way?
[19:13] <weedmic> coconut: not in that directory - it should be root root
[19:13] <coconut> oh ok, thank you
[19:14] <weedmic> the actually game parts are usually in .../app somewhere (or in your /home/user/... somewhere.  you can do updatedb then locate nameofgame
[19:16] <coconut> any reason for why it would not load?
[19:18] <weedmic> first, name of game?  second did you load it from software management or someother method?
[19:19] <venividivici1989> coconut, still the error for gtk?
[19:21] <coconut> yeah gtk error only under sudo
[19:22] <venividivici1989> coconut, so without sudo it doesnt load, with sudo a gtk error, what did you tried before?
[19:22] <coconut> nothing to be exact
[19:22] <venividivici1989> do you have teamviewer?
[19:22] <coconut> no
[19:22] <venividivici1989> ok =)
[19:22] <venividivici1989> ehm
[19:23] <venividivici1989> did you tried to chown the box?
[19:23] <coconut> no also not
[19:23] <venividivici1989> i would give that a try firsdt
[19:23] <venividivici1989> first
[19:24] <venividivici1989> coconut: command: sudo chown yourusername:yourusername /path/to/box
[19:24] <venividivici1989> or by righclicking the file
[19:24] <venividivici1989> properties
[19:24] <venividivici1989> if that doesnt work, set it back too root:root
[19:25] <oerheks> gnome-boxes --checks # should give a clue
[19:26] <venividivici1989> my boxes are just username:username so...
[19:26] <oerheks> Under the hood Boxes is using a libvirt user session that runs as a regular user.
[19:26] <oerheks> yeah, no need to edit owner
[19:27] <oerheks> see if you are member of the KVM group?
[19:28] <coconut> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RmVJmjKVvQ/ #for --checks
[19:29] <coconut> oerheks, how do i check that group?
[19:30] <oerheks> just type 'groups' in terminal?
[19:30] <coconut> martijn adm sudo lpadmin
[19:32] <coconut> it's weird because when i just installed it it did run and got elementaryos running...
[19:32] <coconut> the same version too btw
[19:32] <oerheks> sure it is weird..
[19:35] <oerheks> any weird instances in ~/.config/libvirt/qemu  ??  https://askubuntu.com/questions/926714/gnome-boxes-wont-start-on-one-account-but-will-on-another
[19:39] <coconut> oerheks, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jwf26Bx2tf/
[19:46] <oerheks> coconut, maybe a reinstall?
[19:46] <oerheks> i have no clue there..
[19:46] <coconut> will try that :)
[19:48] <coconut> no doesn't matter, think i will just try virt-manager then
[19:49] <coconut> although i liked the simplicity of gnome-boxes to be honest...
[20:07] <shibboleth> TJ-, ping
[20:07] <TJ-> shibboleth: pong
[20:07] <shibboleth> TJ-, new grub issue, different hardware. interested?
[20:08] <TJ-> shibboleth: cannot right now, it's almost my bedtime!
[20:08] <shibboleth> k
[20:09] <TJ-> shibboleth: have you tried in #grub
[20:09] <shibboleth> tumbleweeds
[20:09] <TJ-> mostly, but all the real experts are there in the background :)
[20:10] <pedrocr> I have an NVME drive in a Lenovo T14s Gen1 AMD that on boot seems to always increase the smart error count, but the error log doesn't actually have any errors
[20:10] <pedrocr> any idea what this could be?
[20:11] <TJ-> pedrocr: have you checked for NVME/T14s firmware upgrades from Lenovo?
[20:11] <TJ-> pedrocr: that sounds like an issue I saw fixed for some drives
[20:13] <pedrocr> TJ-: I think everything is up to date on the automatic updates Ubuntu provides at least
[20:13] <pedrocr> but I'll check again
[20:16] <webchat89> Hello. Since Kernel Update to 5.8.0-59.66 on my LTS 20.04 I have a blank screen after GRUB is loading the Ramdisk. Its supposed to show LUKS. The same with the newer 5.8.0-63 Kernel. The last kernel that is prompting LUKS is 5.8.0-55.62. I started a Ticket at askubuntu, but except of some other user there was no help. Anyone in here know how to
[20:16] <webchat89> start the process that this issue gets looked into? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1348180/startup-boot-blackscreen-with-5-8-0-59-66-reason-why-delete-kernel
[20:18] <pedrocr> TJ-: seems up to date: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/pedrocr/c2cd6ed0e6cd1dded38fbfeb702cbf02/raw/299534f420675ae1bd1578b15b2310afa9e2fad9/firmware%2520updates
[20:20] <webchat89> pedrocr: If you are talking to me, the feedback is that there is now FW update
[20:20] <shibboleth> webchat89, try this:
[20:21] <shibboleth> when in the grub menu, press "c" and "rmmod tpm"
[20:21] <shibboleth> then "escape" and select the proper entry
[20:21] <webchat89> whats this command for?
[20:22] <shibboleth> webchat89, to unload the grub tpm module. just try it
[20:22] <webchat89> Why should I want to deactivate TPM?
[20:22] <shibboleth> you're not
[20:22] <shibboleth> you're just unloading the grub software tpm module
[20:23] <shibboleth> i had a similar issue, can yo just please try it?
[20:23] <shibboleth> the kernel tpm module is entirely separate
[20:24] <webchat89> Thanks for the hint, I may try after I looked up what this command is about. I will not alter grub that easily ;)  And actually, since I posted the askubuntu.com link the help ticket is spamed with downvotes instead of someone replying. what non sens is that to downvote a legit question that is regarding multiple users. poor
[20:24] <shibboleth> you're not altering grub
[20:24] <shibboleth> but there is a known issue caused by grubs tpm module
[20:25] <shibboleth> at least, it's "solved"/worked around by unloading grub tpm module
[20:25] <shibboleth> you're not making a permanent change, reboot and things are back to normal
[20:26] <shibboleth> also, you're asking for help, "kicking and screaming" when you receive it may explain the downvote :)
[20:36] <webchat89> @shibboleth well thanks for the hint, but sorry I dont get it: Why should I suddenly need to alter TPM? TPM was working fine up until some TPM Hash it working fine - just not now anymore. Surely the recommandation can not be to not use TPM anymore? I dont get it do you?
[20:38] <shibboleth> i didn't get it either, but it magically worked for me. now, considering how you're saying "May I please insinst on some support", can you PLEASE just dew it? takes all of ten seconds and doesn't change anything permanently
[20:40] <TJ-> webchat89: are you able to blindly type the LUKS passphrase and still unlock it?
[20:40] <webchat89> No
[20:42] <TJ-> webchat89: we need to gather some logs to identify where the issue is
[20:42] <TJ-> webchat89: are you using that system with -55.62 right now?
[20:43] <webchat89> The ramdisk is not getting initialised for sure and the TPM hint makes sense, the missing graphic output is no issue of the kernel itself. I am just bugged by thinking that I do not want to deactivate TPM permantly! Even if that workaround works, I simply can not do this to this working LTS machine as a "semi-permanent" solution. There has to be
[20:43] <webchat89> smth else. Smth has to be wrong with the TPM hashes, and there got to be a way to recalculate them/grant new keys or whatever the process of TPM is.
[20:43] <shibboleth> webchat89, imagine working support and the caller just refuses to go through the troubleshooting steps because he doesn't understand why you asking them to do it. that's you right now
[20:43] <webchat89> TJ-: yes im live with the -55.62
[20:44] <webchat89> shibboleth the no was regarding TJs question.
[20:50] <webchat89> shibboleth do you still got your bookmark/history where you got the command from? I wanna read that stuff, as I do not find smth great until now?
[20:51] <TJ-> webchat89: it came from me!
[20:51] <TJ-> webchat89: the aim is to prove/disprove if GRUB's TPM module is causing the issue, by /temporaily/, for the immediate boot session only, not using it
[20:52] <shibboleth> webchat89, aka troubleshooting 101
[20:52] <webchat89> @Tj- well I guess it will be exactly that, so whats the next step?
[20:52] <TJ-> webchat89: if the system boots correctly you then know the issue is the same one that shibboleth has experienced
[20:54] <TJ-> webchat89: so, the idea is to interrupt GRUB at its boot menu and dropping to the GRUB shell and to remove/unload the tpm module from memory so it doesn't affect Linux. so on the menu screen press the 'c' key then type the command "rmmod tpm" then press Esc key to return to the menu and boot as before. See if that brings back LUKS passphrase prompt in the initialramfs stage
[20:55] <webchat89> I may check it later when rebooting but it will be that for sure. How to bring a permanent solution to this?
[20:55] <webchat89> TJ-
[20:56] <TJ-> we don't know if this is even it yet
[20:56] <TJ-> you have to follow a process of elimination; trying tests to reduce the problem space until there is firm evidence of a cause
[20:56] <shibboleth> yeah, finding a temp solution/cause before expecting a final one seems... more reasonable
[20:57] <webchat89> ... you both, as much as you help, can be annoying. I cant reboot this machine right now. It will be an issue related to that for sure. I already looked up how to refresh TPM keys, but if you like to shortcut it for me so I can bookmark it and do it later when this Machine is not in need to run I may try
[20:57] <TJ-> webchat89: in shibboleth's case the cause was an upgrade to GRUB versions, not kernels, so your issue may be related to how the initrd.img files for the later kernels have been built
[20:59] <TJ-> webchat89: try copying the messages we've written if you need to test later
[21:00] <webchat89> Yeah can already update/upgrade grub right now and by this see if I need to try to unload TPM next time.
[21:00] <shibboleth> webchat89, so the problem is that the proposed troubleshooting step is "inconvenient" and therefore our help is annoying. mind you, we've tried helping you for well over 30 minutes and you're acting like a spoiled child
[21:01] <TJ-> !coc please refrain from personal comments
[21:01] <TJ-> !coc
[21:02] <shibboleth> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1348180/startup-boot-blackscreen-with-5-8-0-59-66-reason-why-delete-kernel <--- you've asked for help and you got none and you got downvoted for making a fuss about it. we try to help you in here, but you're ignoring it because you find it "annoying"
[21:03] <shibboleth> i mean. i can get like that when i've got low bloodsugar, but then the issue is with me and not the feedback
[21:05] <webchat89> shibboleth are you on a personal rage now? A user who replied to my question got downvoted for nothing. If you feel like compeling with them, do so, but maybe talk to them instead of me than?
[21:07] <shibboleth> "compeling with them"? also: i'm trying to help you, unlikely that i'm also on some "personal rage"
[21:07] <sarnold> he got downvoted because his comment should have been a comment, not an answer
[21:07] <shibboleth> i just can't wrap my head around the mentality you've expressed thus far. for a linux user
[21:12]  * rud0lf tries to pronounce shibboleth 
[21:12]  * rud0lf fails
[21:12] <shibboleth> for he said sibboleth, for he could not say shibboleth. and he and his people were... "given ice-cream"
[21:13] <shibboleth> not actually what it says in the old testament, but, eh... more family friendly :)
[21:13] <webchat89> shibboleth well that I think is the issue :)  you think you were helping me, but the words you wrote couldnt explain at all that you are onto some diagnostics. You just told me to deactivate TPM, and when I asked why I should deactiavte it you (by not knowing any better?) told me I dont deactivate it with that command. Which isnt true. And I simpy
[21:13] <webchat89> simply can not test around on this live server an entire company relies on! And for sure you wouldnt deactivate TPM if thats the only guarantee there is no evil maid attack on the LUKS (I mentioned LUKS, havent I ?). So I have the same issue as you do: Wrapping my head around the proposed solution OR diagnostics! I updated GRUB now, and if that
[21:13] <webchat89> will work out we have a solution that was without security risks of testing around a secured boot. So yeah, exp. hard "to wrap around, exp. for a linux users suggestion" that there was no reply for just my question of proceeding with the next step ;o)
[21:13] <shibboleth> webchat89, seriously. you're asking us for help for your *bootloader* but you refuse/can't reboot your computer?
[21:14] <shibboleth> i mean... i can speculate as to why you think that's a sane approach, but then i'd be speculating
[21:14] <webchat89> Well you were unable to read my text in that short time, so all you wrote is just another punsh line that has no connection to the situation.
[21:15] <webchat89> anyways, ty Tj-, too much chatting here, by shibbo
[21:16] <shibboleth> alright, i'm willing to entertain the notion that i'm being unreasonable. do we have a second for webchat89 notion?
[21:18] <shibboleth> also, he's thanking TJ- for his support, telling him to do what i already suggested, but what i'm saying is just spam. yeah, that makes sense
[21:20] <TJ-> shibboleth: don't take it to heart; we get used to that kind of ungracious demanding asker... best reaction is to not react, not talk to them - less stress all round
[21:21] <imi> youtu.be/zLX3vJgLdrw -- I miss the good old days
[21:22] <shibboleth> yeah, i get that i'm being quixotic, but if no one tells the emperor he's butt-naked he thinks he thinks his new outfit is da shizzle
[21:46] <HickorySmokedBac> What's the best LTS option for old hardware?
[21:46] <HickorySmokedBac> Xubuntu?
[21:46] <HickorySmokedBac> or maybe just use the min cd?
[21:46] <HickorySmokedBac> without a GUI
[21:49] <srv> probably ubuntu 20.04
[21:50] <HickorySmokedBac> srv: Doesn't want to finish booting to live/install
[21:50] <HickorySmokedBac> It did for a newer Skylake Celeron, but it's freezing on this old E2160  + 4670
[21:50] <HickorySmokedBac> I gotta get them both off CentOS 7
[21:51] <shibboleth> it freezes after grub/licecd menu?
[21:52] <HickorySmokedBac> shibboleth: I'm seeing the pink background and a curser for about 5 mins
[21:52] <shibboleth> efi or mbr boot?
[21:53] <HickorySmokedBac> shibboleth I imagine MBR since it's 15 years old
[21:53] <shibboleth> right
[21:53] <shibboleth> could be an io/rw issue with the boot media, booting from usb or cd?
[21:53] <HickorySmokedBac> USB
[21:54] <HickorySmokedBac> It just worked fine on the newer machine
[21:54] <shibboleth> ok, tried a diff flashdrive or cd?
[21:54] <HickorySmokedBac> got it installed in 40 mins
[21:54] <HickorySmokedBac> don't have one
[21:54] <HickorySmokedBac> It doesn't meet the requirement
[21:54] <HickorySmokedBac> Maybe I should put debian on this older machine?
[21:54] <HickorySmokedBac> that doesn't have but 2 GBs of RAM
[21:55] <shibboleth> if it took 40 minutes to install from the same media on a recent machine, that suggests that the flashdrive is either *very* slow or maybe failing
[21:55] <HickorySmokedBac> shibboleth: Hm this older machine could have USB 1
[21:55] <HickorySmokedBac> Didn't think of that
[21:56] <shibboleth> or a finicky usb controller, kernel support, etc etc
[21:56] <HickorySmokedBac> Maybe I should give it about 20 more mins to come up?
[21:56] <HickorySmokedBac> and decide
[21:56] <shibboleth> find a cdr, try booting from cd
[21:58] <HickorySmokedBac> Maybe debian might be a better option..
[21:58] <HickorySmokedBac> For this old machine
[21:59] <HickorySmokedBac> had to buy a DVI to HDMI converter too
[21:59] <HickorySmokedBac> even the 4670 didn't have HDMI
[22:00] <toddc> puppy linux is the lightest fastest I have tested but you have to manually a few things
[22:00] <shibboleth> well, if debian boot no problem from the *same* flashdrive, that may be a clue
[22:01] <HickorySmokedBac> writing the ISO to it now
[22:03] <HickorySmokedBac> shibboleth: yeah debian graphic install working fine
[22:03] <shibboleth> ok, now try writing a 18.04 iso to the same flashdrive