[03:47] <Mekaneck> maybe it's better to look and ask in the #mate channel, if there is one, since this has nothing to do with ubuntu mate support
[15:26] <superkuh> Unfortunately #mate has been dead for years. But, given there are 2-3 MATE devs it seems very unlikely any gtk3->4 switch is incoming.
[15:29] <Mekaneck> they have to switch to GTK4 at some point, it will happen eventually
[16:09] <finalspacevoid> but that the gtk4 switch is taking its time is not an issue right? i mean we run gtk2 apps still, and they work just fine. so when mate itself is gtk4 isnt so important since the libraries to run gtk2/3/4 apps are all there?
[16:13] <Mekaneck> gtk2 is dead so i don't think there are any gtk2 apps left
[16:17] <finalspacevoid> ahh k, well but ubuntu right now uses gnome 3 but supports gtk4 i think. so just reread my question with that ;-)
[16:17] <vkareh> gtk2 is not dead - plenty of apps use gtk2
[16:18] <vkareh> the beautiful thing about GTK is that you can have any/all versions installed concurrently and they all work
[16:18] <finalspacevoid> ok great, thx!
[16:18] <Mekaneck>     GTK 4 is now stable, and we consider it ready for consumption. That does not mean GTK 3 is dead – we will continue to support and update it for the foreseeable future (the latest release, 3.24.24, quietly went out a few days ago). It does mean, however, that GTK 2 has reached the end of its life. We will do one final 2.x release in the coming days, and we encourage everybody to port their GTK 2 applications to GTK 3 or 4.
[16:19] <Mekaneck> https://blog.gtk.org/2020/12/16/gtk-4-0/
[16:19] <Mekaneck> so... gtk2 is EOL... dead
[16:20] <vkareh> EOL != dead
[16:20] <finalspacevoid> btw have you tried a different window manager/compositor other than marco? do they run well? im missing a expose/overview window picker, marco doesnt support something like this
[16:21] <vkareh> finalspacevoid: try compiz
[16:21] <finalspacevoid> is it still supported/stable/maintained?
[16:21] <vkareh> (you could attempt running muffin, but it will kill your panel if you do so)
[16:21] <finalspacevoid> i think i read ubuntu mate dropped it from default
[16:21] <finalspacevoid> haha ive seen someone run gala (from elementary os) but its not in the repos
[16:22] <Mekaneck> compiz can still be used but it hasn't been developed anymore
[16:22] <finalspacevoid> hmmm k