[03:25] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:17] <ducasse> \o Bashing-om 
[08:37] <TJ-> good job satellite Internet is more reliable that water supply!
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> have you taken musk as your saviour TJ- :p
[08:38] <daftykins> hrmm does /var/crash only contain the last issue's logs, not historic ones?
[08:38] <TJ-> I've been on Starlink for a while now - fantastic
[08:39] <TJ-> daftykins: usually the ones that haven't been submitted (I'm not sure if crash dumps from non-supported packages are kept)
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> how much does that cost TJ- 
[08:40] <daftykins> i need to add a +1 to this - https://askubuntu.com/questions/1353859/ubuntu-18-04-05-lts-desktop-hangs-with-since-kernel-4-15-0-151-and-systemd-237-3
[08:40] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: UK£89 per month. I typically get 200Mbs/20Mbs/40ms
[08:40] <daftykins> my lounge ThinkPad doesn't get a lot of use since i've not been using this room for a while, it's still on 18.04 - the -151 kernel was giving me freezes yesterday
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> wow thats pretty fair price
[08:40] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: I cancelled the VDSL landline that cost UK£50 per month for a max of 10Mbs/1Mbs/24ms
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> yeah i also got a vdsl2 here 50/20
[08:41] <TJ-> And, with Starlink, I can move it (Starlink will support roaming later this year)
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> 29 euro internet alone 
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: you got a dongle for it or something?
[08:42] <TJ-> there's still the occasional brielf (few seconds) outages as satellites aren't quite in sight but thats more than made up for by the overall better performance
[08:42] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: no, a dish in the garden on top of a gazebo plugging into my gateway via Ethernet (PC Engines APU2)
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> ah
[08:43] <TJ-> The 'dish' isn't really a dish, it's a planar phased array antenna that steers the beams electronically
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> i see
[08:43] <TJ-> but the antenna has servo motors and GPS and initially aligns itself optimally
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> i had sat tv few years ago, was pretty cool
[08:44] <TJ-> right now, due to limited numbers of satellites, we're limited to the a hexagonal shaped footprint on the ground 
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> how much does the dish cost
[08:45] <TJ-> You can watch it live at https://starlink.sx/
[08:46] <TJ-> the UTR (User Terminal aka dish) and a router/AP, both PoE, and PoE power supply UK£489
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> holy tux
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> how many sats did they beam up space already?
[08:46] <TJ-> on starlink.sx if you set your home location you can see which satellites are connected as they fly over, and which ground stations they're using
[08:47] <TJ-> About 1400 with about 1100 operational
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> jeez
[08:47] <TJ-> They're currently doing about 2 launches a month, each deploying 60 satellites
[08:48]  * lotuspsychje puts on his alu hat :p
[08:49] <TJ-> The only downsides so far are 1) the router/AP firmware (OpenWRT) is locked down and cannot be managed in any way (so I don't use it) and 2) they're only doing IPv4 CGNAT (so I have a wireguard tunnel to a server) and on my networks only use IPv6, with NAT64/DNS64 on the public gateway
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> nuts
[08:51] <TJ-> also, the design of the router/AP is silly. Stands tall and slim, 3 sides aluminium so if you position it so the ethernet cables come in to the back the aluminium cases is shielding the wifi which is only escaping out a narrow slot facing the wall... and it falls over really easy, has uneven sides so can't even lie on its side without rocking!
[08:51] <TJ-> looks like a CyberTruck!
[08:53] <TJ-> IPv6 is 'coming' soon - the service is still a beta test and Starlink is rapidly developing the entire network with, sometimes, firmware updates to the *satellites* at least once a week. The latest satellites have laser links and they're creating a mesh network in space so there's no need to downlink to ground stations for starlink to starlink connections
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> https://i0.wp.com/bitsinflight.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/IMG_1834.jpeg this?
[08:53] <TJ-> the satellites have about 60 separate computers onboard all running Linux
[08:54] <TJ-> "We cannot complete this request, remote data could not be fetched"
[08:54] <TJ-> https://spaceexplored.com/2020/12/07/teardown-of-starlink-user-terminal-gives-a-detailed-look-at-complex-internals/
[08:55] <TJ-> prices are going to drop dramatically in a few months https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/06/musk-aims-to-cut-starlink-user-terminal-price-from-500-to-as-low-as-250/
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> this could get huge
[08:59] <TJ-> that is the expecation. There have been successful tests for aircraft and that market will be huge once airlines start flying as they were before the shutdowns
[09:00] <TJ-> lots of rural services can use it as a backhaul too. The aim is to be able to provide 10Gbps with sub 20ms latency eventually
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