| sudorm | hi! where can i find old versions of xubuntu, such as 18.04 and not 18.04.5? | 07:05 |
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| sudorm | I can't find it anywhere | 07:05 |
| diogenes_ | sudorm, https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/ | 07:14 |
| sudorm | diogenes_, clicking on 18.04 https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/18.04/ redirects to 18.04.5 | 07:15 |
| oerheks | http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ | 07:19 |
| oerheks | http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04.0/ | 07:19 |
| sudorm | oerheks, is there the same for xubuntu? | 07:21 |
| sudorm | oerheks, 18.04 is not listed in http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/xubuntu/releases/ | 07:22 |
| oerheks | i don see it either, also 18.04 is EOL? | 07:25 |
| oerheks | https://archive.org/download/xubuntu-18.04-desktop-amd64/xubuntu-18.04-desktop-amd64_archive.torrent | 07:26 |
| oerheks | torrent is still valid and active | 07:26 |
| oerheks | http://ftp.dei.uc.pt/pub/linux/xubuntu/releases/18.04/release/ | 07:27 |
| oerheks | have fun | 07:27 |
| guiverc | sudorm, the 18.04 media does not contain a fix to a specific issue (boothole or something like that) so older media without fix was made harder to find (if not removed) | 07:32 |
| guiverc | the 18.04.5 media you can find contains the fixes | 07:32 |
| sudorm | guiverc, yes but I when I used 18.04, I had stored a script that worked flawlessly to install the right version of tensorflow, NVIDIA CUDA, etc | 07:33 |
| guiverc | you can install 18.04.5 and then install the GA kernel stack, making it equivalent to an 18.04/18.04.1 install if needed | 07:33 |
| sudorm | guiverc, now after a 18.04.5 install, it fails with errors like | 07:33 |
| sudorm | The following packages have unmet dependencies: cuda-10-1 : Depends: cuda-toolkit-10-1 (>= 10.1.243) but it is not going to be installed | 07:33 |
| sudorm | and lots of similar errors. I could only solve this by restoring a sources.list from 18.04 instead of 18.04.5 | 07:34 |
| guiverc | I'm doing a `rmadison cuda-toolkit-10-1` no packages are available in Ubuntu repositories for any release - you'll have needed to add sources for that for any bionic/18.04 media | 07:35 |
| guiverc | the sources in 18.04 and 18.04.5 are identical ! | 07:35 |
| sudorm | guiverc, yes I added repo for nvidia | 07:35 |
| sudorm | but it seemed like there was a mismatch conflict | 07:36 |
| guiverc | as I stated before; the difference is the default stack; 18.04.5 defaults to HWE, 18.04 defaulted to the older GA - which can be changed post-install | 07:36 |
| sudorm | guiverc, what is HWE / GA ? | 07:36 |
| guiverc | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack & https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack | 07:37 |
| sudorm | guiverc, ok it's a kernel thing? | 07:37 |
| guiverc | GA = general kernel; 4.15 for 18.04, HWE is the hardware enablement that changed during first 2 years of support (using 18.10, 19.04, 19.10 before finally settling on 20.04 GA kernel stack) | 07:37 |
| guiverc | Xubuntu 18.04 however is EOL; 29-April-2021 was EOL for Xubuntu 18.04 | 07:37 |
| guiverc | see https://xubuntu.org/release/18-04/ | 07:38 |
| sudorm | guiverc, yes. First I installed 20.04 | 07:38 |
| sudorm | but when I rebooted to make a memtest86 in grub, it was stuck. Then after further research, I found a bug report that memtest on 20.04 is bugged. | 07:39 |
| guiverc | memtest in 20.04 works; I've used it; it has limitations on some hardware - it's not a bug | 07:39 |
| sudorm | Thus, I prefer working with an older version of Xubuntu, but having everything working 100% without glitches | 07:39 |
| sudorm | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/memtest86+/+bug/1876157 | 07:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1876157 in memtest86+ (Baltix) "Memtest86+ in Ubuntu 20.04 doesn't work, switch to Coreboot branch or package new release v5.31b is available since 12/04/2020" [Medium, Triaged] | 07:39 |
| sudorm | I don't want to have to deal with such things or similar problems, that's why I use 18.04 | 07:40 |
| guiverc | well 18.04 isn't on-topic here due EOL 29-April-2021 | 07:40 |
| guiverc | fyi: you can use `ubuntu-support-status` to view the package support for your actual install; and thus consider the risk of using the partially EOL 18.04 system (packages common to main Ubuntu Desktop are still fixed for security flaws) | 07:42 |
| sudorm | guiverc, what is the standard way to find a particular file for a particular release? | 07:47 |
| sudorm | example: I'd like to compare sources.list for 18.04 18.04.5 and 20.04, for learning purposes | 07:47 |
| sudorm | I found it here for 18.04: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/rhuancarlos/c4d3c0cf4550db5326dca8edf1e76800/raw/480bc68edae51e704114b0f4e256f543f25961af/sources.list | 07:47 |
| sudorm | but it's not really a trusted source | 07:47 |
| sudorm | is there a way to find a particular file for any release? | 07:47 |
| sudorm | like a (git?) repo for all files of all releases? | 07:48 |
| guiverc | ubuntu ISOs are built from packages; wherever you find the ISO you'll also find a .manifest file which contains the packages enclosed on the ISO (not all may be installed; depending on what options the user uses..) | 07:49 |
| guiverc | packages can change between releases; so files within those packages can vary (eg. 18.04 will use freenode; it was current on release time; 21.10 or 20.04.3 will contain libera) | 07:50 |
| sudorm | guiverc, good to know! and for exemple /etc/apt/sources.list comes from which package? | 07:50 |
| guiverc | the file is built at install; as the installer doesn't know where in the world you are until install time; so cannot know which country mirror is appropriate etc | 07:52 |
| nonet | Client: HexChat 2.14.3 • OS: Ubuntu "impish" 21.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8300 @ 2.50GHz (2.00GHz) • Memory: Physical: 3.5 GiB Total (1.9 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (1.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 11.3 GB / 56.8 GB (45.5 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset DRAM Controller • Uptime | 07:53 |
| nonet | : 8h 47m 13s | 07:53 |
| sudorm | guiverc, oh I see, so this might be the reason for my problems: when I installed 18.04.5, I didn't check certain checkboxes to accept all repos | 07:54 |
| sudorm | whereas in my previous 18.04 install i checked all of them | 07:54 |
| guiverc | I'm aware of country (mirror) differnces with xubuntu installs; I'm not sure it has differences that will impact you - unless you opted for a "free software only" which may; sorry I forget; but those options are rarely used but available on 18.04 more so than 20.04 | 07:56 |
| sudorm | guiverc, #deb-src lines are unused since # is for comments, is that right? as I see all deb-src begin by # i thought maybe it is a custom syntax | 07:58 |
| guiverc | # is comment yes (varies on the file; some use ";" for comments etc depending on background of programmer) - which disables the source | 07:58 |
| sudorm | guiverc, yes that's what I know for all other files, but I thought maybe there was a special syntax for sources.list because I saw deb-src always was # ;) | 08:00 |
| sudorm | guiverc, last thing: why main *restricted* in sources.list? why the restricted? | 08:02 |
| guiverc | best if you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu | 08:03 |
| guiverc | "Restricted - Proprietary drivers for devices. " but it'll explain more | 08:04 |
| guiverc | the word restricted relates to license, not open-source code | 08:04 |
| guiverc | (or if open-source; license is restricted in some way) | 08:05 |
| sudorm | oh thanks for this link, it helped me! | 08:05 |
| sudorm | So does "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic main restricted" mean | 08:06 |
| sudorm | from bionic take repo main AND restricted? | 08:06 |
| sudorm | could we do "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic main restricted universe multiverse" and have all of them in one line? | 08:07 |
| oerheks | why, xubuntu 18.04 is eol.. | 08:09 |
| sudorm | oerheks, i mean, the general principle of listing everything in one line | 08:10 |
| sudorm | instead of having a sources.list of 50 lines | 08:10 |
| oerheks | i would not touch that sources list manually, use the update tool to control | 08:10 |
| guiverc | I prefer fewer lines myself; but release-upgrade tools work best if single line (easier for enable/disable in GUI tools by adding # to start of line etc) | 08:11 |
| oerheks | there are no other added, those get an instance in sources.list.d/ folder | 08:11 |
| sudorm | I just explored the /etc/apt/ files during the last minutes | 08:15 |
| sudorm | I think I would prefer just one file sources.list, KISS principle, and nothing else, no "sudo add-apt-repository ..." that create new files | 08:16 |
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