[00:44] <chicken_m> https://imgur.com/a/Ylm38NZ
[00:44] <tomreyn> !ot | chicken_m
[00:47] <chicken_m> !ot | chicken_m
[00:51] <leftyfb> chicken_m: please stop posting that everywhere. It's inappropriate in support channels
[01:20] <GSMarquis> Will todays pulseaudio update make it ubuntu repos soon?
[01:21] <leftyfb> !latest | GSMarquis
[02:04] <jpmh> I have a server that has been running for years.  As far as I know I have made no changes although we did re-boot yesterday because of an update that required it,  Mid-day today dns lookups are now failing on that server.  Where do I start to look?
[02:05] <sarnold> check /etc/resolv.conf to find out where your dns queries are going, then start troubleshooting that
[02:06] <jpmh> sarnold: ty  - but sadly a collegue decided to reboot and now it is fixed.  In many ways that is worse, since now I am worried as to when it will happen again
[02:07] <sarnold> jpmh: hah, I hate not knowing what caused problems
[02:07] <jpmh> sarnold: absolutely - because we know it will almost cetainly happen again
[02:07] <sarnold> jpmh: you might get lucky and find something in the logs or journalctl around the time of th eproblem
[02:07] <jpmh> sarnold: GREAT idea - will step over there - TY
[02:10] <jpmh> sarnold: BETTER news - it was up for a few mins after the boot and DNS is dead again
[02:10] <sarnold> jpmh: oh 'yay' :)
[02:10] <sarnold> jpmh: so... /etc/resolv.conf, see where it's trying to get dns, and see if you can ping it, see if you dig @ it, etc
[02:11] <jpmh> sarnold: resolve.conf has nameserver 127.0.0.53 - which is not a great suprise - really the question now is, what is killing that.  Where do I look now
[02:12] <sarnold> jpmh: well, the good news is it logs a *lot* to the journal, journalctl -u systemd-resolved   ... but the downside is that it's new enough that it's not super-well documented on the internet etc :(
[02:15] <jpmh> where is the pastebin we use in this chat?
[02:16] <sarnold> jpmh: usually https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[02:17] <jpmh> so, https://pastebin.com/BxYAj8vs - good news is there are so few entries since the boot, bad news, I see notig wrong
[02:18] <sarnold> heh you're not kidding..
[02:18] <sarnold> how about a resolvectl?
[02:20] <jpmh> I had done a status, and got: https://pastebin.com/RZv9T5j0
[02:20] <Bashing-om> jpmh: -server is expected to use systemd-networkd, and it's configured via netplan - make sure that /etc/netplan/config.yaml exists [renderer: networkd].
[02:21] <jpmh> sarnold: what is resolvectl
[02:21] <sarnold> jpmh: oh interesting, what's in that /etc/systemd/system/systemd-resolved.service.d/override.conf file?
[02:22] <jpmh> Bashing-om: I changed nothing on that server and remember that it was working till mid-day today and works for a few mins after a boot - but where should I be looking?
[02:23] <jpmh> sarnold: the file exists but is ONE blank line
[02:24] <jpmh> sarnold: the file date is 20 april
[02:25] <sarnold> jpmh: heh, that's not as helpful as I hoped :) so.. how about the output of resolvectl?
[02:25] <jpmh> sarnold: sudo: resolvectl: command not found
[02:26] <sarnold> systemd: /usr/bin/resolvectl
[02:26] <sarnold> very curious
[02:26] <sarnold> does your sudo muck with your path or something?
[02:27] <jpmh> sarnold: /usr/bin is in my path and even when I do the full path there is no such file
[02:27] <jpmh> sudo: /usr/bin/resolvectl: command not found
[02:28] <sarnold> jpmh: try debsums -sa systemd  ?
[02:28] <jpmh> sudo: debsums: command not found
[02:29] <jpmh> I can install debsums if you want
[02:30] <sarnold> hah
[02:30] <sarnold> yeah, it's probably worth a shot
[02:30] <jpmh> I should point out that this system is running 18.4 - which is supposed to still be OK
[02:31] <jpmh> HA - of course I can't install it since name resolution fails.  :(
[02:32] <sarnold> oh, of course :) heh
[02:36] <sarnold> jpmh: alright, I'm out for the night, good luck
[02:37] <jpmh> ty for your attempts
[04:02] <Aro> Is there an on-screen keyboard available during the installation process? I'm trying to (re)install Ubuntu 21.04 desktop (again).
[04:03] <Aro> I don't see any accessibility menus or buttons. :(
[04:08] <oerheks> systemsettings > universal access > screen keyboard
[04:12] <punkgeek> I want to protect my grub2 from console editing. without required password for booting the default os. Is there any document?
[04:15] <Aro> I don't have access to system settings during the installation.
[04:15] <oerheks> punkgeek, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Passwords
[04:15] <oerheks> Aro, boot in live mode first?
[04:16] <Aro> Right.
[04:17] <Aro> (I don't get live mode either, cause I'm installing on a Raspberry Pi. 🙃)
[04:17] <oerheks> recent; https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-password-protect-the-grub-boot-loader-in-ubuntu/
[04:18] <oerheks> oh, rasp pi without keyboard ?
[04:18] <punkgeek> oerheks: That article lock the system from booting. I want to boot the system without password. Actulally I want protect only accesseing to the grub setting
[04:20] <oerheks> punkgeek, i do not know if there is such solution
[04:21] <Aro> oerheks, yeah. I have to go take out my broken keyboard with a USB adapter whenever I reinstall a fresh OS.
[05:12] <Aro> Is the ubuntu-wallpapers-hardy package available? It doesn't seem to be listed. The other day, when I installed ubuntu-wallpapers-*, I got the classic heron wallpaper.
[05:28] <oerheks> sudo apt-get install bzr # bzr branch lp:ubuntu-wallpapers # The newly created ubuntu-wallpapers directory should have them all. https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/hardy/ubuntu-wallpapers/hardy/files
[05:33] <Aro> Thanks! I'll try that. :o
[05:35] <punkgeek>  Hello, I want to hide the network configuration in initramfs: https://pasteboard.co/KdmSNnf.png    I've tried to use GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet console=tty3" but it causes LUKS password entry message didn't show up.
[05:59] <l_> I want to add my project to the official releases of Debin or Ubuntu. What do I? eg: https://github.com/KangLin/RabbitRemoteControl
[09:04] <Guest96> is there a way to specify multiple components while creating local debian repo using aptly?
[09:05] <oerheks> Guest96, you are welcome in #debian with that question?
[09:06] <Guest96> oerheks: Okay I need to create the local repo in Ubuntu only
[09:06] <oerheks> i think it only gives the full mirror, https://ahelpme.com/software/aptly/mirror-the-official-ubuntu-repositories-using-aptly/
[09:55] <TJ-> Anyone noticed Firefox v90's search bar at the bottom of the window, when executing a search, has lost the buttons like Highlight All, Next, Previous, Match case etc. ?
[09:56] <TJ-> if there's a match it'll display the text "1 of X highlighted"
[09:56] <sixwheeledbeast> pfft... I am forever fighting FF changes.
[09:58] <olspookishmagus> is there a boot option that will SKIP that "integrity check"?
[09:58] <TJ-> olspookishmagus: for the LiveISO images? no
[09:59] <TJ-> olspookishmagus: its there because those failures caused far too many false bug reports due to bad media
[10:00] <olspookishmagus> and I guess a lot of noise in here as well ^^
[10:00] <olspookishmagus> ok, it's good to know - because when something's unavoidable it magically STOPs pestering you... or not?
[10:01] <olspookishmagus> I guess you can select systemd.unit and/or splash there could've been an boot option to skip that integrity check, this would make media boot times a lot faster
[10:01] <olspookishmagus> but then again maybe it's just me
[10:02] <TJ-> olspookishmagus: there may be one but I've not looked deeply and not heard anyone else, support or developers, mention it
[10:07] <olspookishmagus> maybe I'll hang on to reading a computer magazine that passes secret/cheat codes ^^
[10:08] <punkgeek> leftyfb: I've succeeded by using sleep 10 on the initramfs script :D , Thank you so much
[11:05] <punkgeek> How can I give access to user to restart netplan without sudo?
[11:18] <geirha> why not sudo?
[11:19] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:21] <zyt> sa
[11:22] <zyt> ?
[11:22] <zyt> ???
[11:23] <tuxick> punkgeek: xy problem?
[11:23] <punkgeek> geirha: Because I don't want to give sudo to the user
[11:23] <tuxick> you can limit to one command
[11:24] <punkgeek> i've tried but didn't work https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/v87gvgh7SV/
[11:24] <tuxick> in fact that'd be the normal way
[11:24] <tuxick> right, xy problem :)
[11:25] <tuxick> check the paths
[11:25] <tuxick> free hint :)
[11:25] <punkgeek> Pardon me?
[11:27] <punkgeek> aha I found the problem
[11:28] <geirha> also %account gives the *group* named account the access. If you just want to give a single user access, remove the %
[11:29] <punkgeek> Thank you how can I change the command to netplan apply, not using systemctrl restart netplan
[11:30] <geirha> type -P netplan  to find the path
[11:31] <punkgeek> thank you
[11:31] <MadLamb> Everytime any software (including the os settings app for example) tries to detect my resolution, the screen turns black for a while. What can I do to prevent that?
[11:33] <entuland> are you positive it is on detection and not on alteration? how long is that "while"?
[11:46] <punkgeek> How can I give write access to file to specific user?
[11:46] <punkgeek> chown user: file  didn't work
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> !chmod | punkgeek
[11:53] <tuxick> is it 'normal' systemd-resolved blows up every now and then?
[11:53] <tuxick> might well be part of systemd design ;p
[11:59] <MadLamb> entuland, takes 5s or something
[12:00] <MadLamb> entuland, im not sure if it is detection or alteration but i would assume detection because usually the resolution doesnt change
[12:00] <tuxick> but why is this detection a problem?
[12:00] <tuxick> i see that once, when i install a system
[12:00] <MadLamb> entuland, I remember few cases where this went somehow wrong and the resolution was also modified
[12:01] <entuland> 5s is quite a bit indeed
[12:02] <entuland> just opening the os settings without touching anything at all causes that black screen?
[12:02] <MadLamb> entuland, when looking at syslog I get a bunch of gdm-x-session logs with resolutions
[12:02] <MadLamb> entuland, exactly
[12:02] <MadLamb> entuland, not even in the display tab
[12:03] <MadLamb> entuland, and the same happens with other software. Like pdf viewers, games, etc..
[12:03] <entuland> odd, definitely looks wrong
[12:03] <MadLamb> entuland, any time any software seems to try to detect the current resolution
[12:05] <MadLamb> entuland, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/W9jjJ3K3n3/
[12:05] <entuland> are you running at some "uncommon" resolution or using any kind of accessibility scaling?
[12:05] <tuxick> or uncommon hardware like nvidia?
[12:06] <MadLamb> entuland, its a razer blade stealth 2018
[12:06] <MadLamb> no video card
[12:07] <tuxick> nvidia :)
[12:07] <MadLamb> Mesa Intel® UHD Graphics 620 (KBL GT2)
[12:07] <tuxick> hm
[12:10] <entuland> there seem to be somewhat related hits googling for "ubuntu razer black screen" - some are unrelated though
[12:13] <tuxick> sometimes ~/.xsession-errors is actually useful
[12:13] <tuxick> rare, but who knows
[12:16] <MadLamb> tuxick, I tailed that file but no log gets appended when I open the settings app
[12:17] <MadLamb> and the screen went dark as always
[12:25] <tuxick> try switching gdm for sddm or something?
[12:25] <tuxick> it's so weird maybe weird ideas work
[12:28] <entuland> the gut feeling is that the detection of the _current_ mode isn't behaving properly so everything just tries and re-set the mode, or something
[12:29] <entuland> in theory trying to set the mode should be some kind of no-op if the mode is the desired one already, but the 5 seconds to actually do that may also mean something is broken in the driver or in the hardware itself
[12:30] <MadLamb> this issue could be somehow related to main/secondary display
[12:31] <MadLamb> because I am using an external monitor connected to a usb-c dock
[12:31] <MadLamb> maybe every time I open one of those softwares it needs to realize it needs to put the window in the right screen
[12:32] <MadLamb> but atm I am actually using this external monitor as the primary display and the settings are on "single display"
[12:33] <entuland> switching to only the real primary and unplugging the secondary would be a good test to narrow down where the problem may lie
[12:34] <entuland> also altering the way the desktop is extended may be a good way to narrow down the issue
[12:36] <tuxick> some dockers tend to cause trouble anyway
[12:46] <MadLamb> entuland, with the real primary display it doesnt happen
[12:46] <entuland> okay, that's a thing
[12:46] <MadLamb> entuland, when opening the settings app it also displays the gdm detection on journalctl, but its a lot shorter
[12:47] <entuland> try plugging it back and keep the physical primary as logical primary, see if you still trigger the issue
[12:47] <MadLamb> only shows one modeline
[12:47] <MadLamb>  (II) modeset(0): Modeline "3200x1800"x0.0  373.25  3200 3248 3280 3360  1800 1803 1808 1852 -hsync -vsync (111.1 kHz eP)
[12:49] <entuland> with "single display" above you mean that you had the secondary plugged in, set as primary, and only using this one completely ignoring the main screen?
[12:50] <MadLamb> hmm
[12:50] <entuland> also, did you check whether there is any more recent driver available for your GPU / whether your system is fully updated and the alike?
[12:50] <MadLamb> entuland, correct. with the notebook closed
[12:51] <MadLamb> entuland, and the primary display off
[12:51] <leftyfb> MadLamb: did you try my suggestion from yesterday?
[12:51] <MadLamb> leftyfb, what was it?
[12:52] <MadLamb> it seems to be related to the external display only because when I have it on mirror mode, only the external shuts down
[12:52] <leftyfb> MadLamb: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/wh6P7HkPmD/
[12:52] <MadLamb> leftyfb, no
[12:55] <tomreyn> so you probably need to update the firmware of this usb-c dock
[13:01] <MadLamb> the external is a samsung U28E590
[13:02] <tomreyn> did you update the firmware of the usb-c dock, yet, though?
[13:03] <leftyfb> MadLamb: that is probably an issue with the usb-c adapter or your display and not ubuntu
[13:03] <MadLamb> tomreyn, nope. no idea how to do that :D
[13:04] <MadLamb> the usb-c dock is an "aukey"
[13:07] <MadLamb> https://www.aukey.com/collections/hubs/products/cb-c71-8-in-1-usb-c-hub-with-ethernet-port
[13:07] <leftyfb> MadLamb: ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:08] <tomreyn> MadLamb: ah, so not actually a classic docking station. i'm also wondering which ubuntu release and kernel version you have running there.
[13:09] <tomreyn> (can't seem to find this info on the chat log)
[13:09] <MadLamb> leftyfb, https://termbin.com/56a9
[13:10] <leftyfb> MadLamb: try: sudo apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04   # then reboot and see there's any improvement
[13:11] <MadLamb> leftyfb, Couldn't find any package by glob 'linux-image-generic-hwe-20.0'
[13:11] <leftyfb> try copy and pasting the entire command and try again
[13:12] <entuland> aye, missing a "4" there at the end as it seems
[13:12] <MadLamb> my bad
[13:13] <MadLamb> done
[13:13] <MadLamb> brb
[13:15] <MadLamb> leftyfb, no difference
[13:16] <MadLamb> leftyfb, https://termbin.com/htv03
[13:18] <leftyfb> MadLamb: you could try installing linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04-edge , if there's no improvement you might want to remove it after testing
[13:22] <tomreyn> maybe try the oem kernel as well, just to rule our some i915 bug which no proper (mainline suitable) fix exists for, yet.
[13:34] <MadLamb> brb
[13:46] <tuxick> i heard about issues with i915 driver before
[13:47] <huria4> Why does ubuntu studio use a low latency kernel by default and the other spins don't?
[13:49] <leftyfb> huria4: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel    this is the first result on google for "ubuntu studio low latency kernel"
[13:50] <leftyfb> huria4: looks like it's not needed anymore. Not sure why it would still be included
[13:51] <leftyfb> huria4: you could ask in #ubuntustudio
[13:51] <akik> leftyfb: it says the realtime kernel is not neeeded but the low-latency kernel is beneficial
[14:02] <MadLamb> leftyfb, that also didnt work.
[14:02] <MadLamb>  I'm wondering if it isnt the screen
[14:03] <leftyfb> MadLamb: it's probably the dock. I can almost guarantee it
[14:05] <MadLamb> leftyfb, its weird that it only happens when resolution is detected :/
[14:06] <MadLamb> leftyfb, the manufacturer website doesnt seem to have any firmware upgrade for this model
[14:07] <tuxick> you're probably supposed to buy next model
[14:07] <tuxick> which is same with new firmware ;p
[14:08] <MadLamb> I was able to find this https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ErfFJWtz-08xkdtd3Oy5cKJ5JiId93UP/edit#slide=id.p1
[14:09] <MadLamb> but as with anything firmware related... windows
[14:09] <MadLamb> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1fdmBRdOZyjtZa6EIPQ0ZR9EpIWH3cNE1
[14:12] <tuxick> but it exists
[14:13] <MadLamb> tuxick, hidden somewhere in a forum, yes it does :D
[14:20] <krytarik> leftyfb: What makes you think the low-latency kernel is redundant by now?
[14:29] <VIA> does anyone have an idea to get varying DPI on different monitors for 20.04 ?
[14:29] <VIA> XFCE
[14:30] <hunter> hi
[14:46] <tjj> %n
[14:50] <GSMarquis> The 5.11 kernel seems to have issues with bluetooth and audio.
[15:40] <leftyfb> !bug | GSMarquis
[15:45] <admin0> is there any precise mirror anywhere ?
[15:45] <admin0> for apt-get
[15:46] <admin0> or any ideas on how i can host an old mirror for this particular release
[15:46] <TJ-> admin0: old-releases.ubuntu.com
[15:46] <leftyfb> admin0: while there is one available, you REALLY should update(well, at this point reinstall and restore from backup). It's a lot less work than you think.
[15:48] <TJ-> sometimes its required to support older binaries
[15:49] <Rogach> Hi! I stumbled upon an issue with package index downloaded from archive.ubuntu.com
[15:49] <Rogach> In not too many words:
[15:50] <Rogach> curl -s --resolve archive.ubuntu.com:80:91.189.88.152 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal-updates/main/binary-amd64/by-hash/SHA256/125d5d9e5514f816011b6ba86ea5574caa09f2587502618e763e3ffcfac77a9f | sha256sum
[15:50] <admin0> yeah . just got enrolled into a project to upgrade a few of the boxes still in this release
[15:50] <Rogach> 79d6950134a801405612775563ad754367e4b94366d6f9de2e92d6bf2c6cef80  -
[15:50] <admin0> never knew these still exited out there
[15:50] <admin0> i mean the bxoes
[15:50] <Rogach> This happens only from one machine I found so far - on all others the downloaded package is correct.
[15:50] <admin0> and needed the repos to re-create the boxes to test update/upgrade
[15:51] <Rogach> I looked inside the package indexes, and it seems that the only difference is in Phased-Update-Percentage fields.
[15:51] <TJ-> Rogach: is that a Package file? I was doing extensive testing of focal-updates by-hash yesterday
[15:52] <Rogach> TJ-: Yes, that's a Package file.
[15:52] <TJ-> Rogach: plaintext, .xz, or .gz ?
[15:52] <Rogach> TJ-: xz
[15:53] <Rogach> TJ-: Here's a link to the original file: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.xz
[15:53] <TJ-> Rogach: have you checked the lengths match? it could be a locally cached partial. /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/
[15:54] <Rogach> TJ-: Yes, they match. I'm testing this with curl directly - this should bypass the apt completely?
[15:54] <TJ-> Rogach: I discovered a bug in debootstrap yesterday whereby it was told to fetch suites focal,focal-updates but after fetching focal-updates InRelease, it managed to fetch the Package.xz from focal ... and the hash's therefore didn't match!
[15:54] <Rogach> TJ-: Ouch.
[15:54] <TJ-> Rogach: aha, that's true! how about a transparent proxy in the router since it's HTTP not HTTPS
[15:55] <Rogach> TJ-: Probably not in the router (it's fully under my control), but maybe somewhere upstream.
[15:55] <TJ-> does curl report a response proxy: header ?
[15:55] <tomreyn> Rogach: http proxy?
[15:57] <Rogach> TJ-: No additional HTTP fields - response headers match exactly on both cases (good and bad).
[15:58] <TJ-> Rogach: file size is identical? 1128132
[15:58] <Rogach> tomreyn: I thought so, but how could http proxy cache the wrong by-hash file? The wrong file shouldn't have been under that URL anyway (because it's hash would have been different)
[15:58] <Rogach> TJ-: Yes, file size is identical.
[15:58] <Rogach> TJ-: I already diffed the files - the "bad" file differs only in Phased-Update-Percentage fields.
[16:00] <Rogach> Adding -H 'Cache-Control: no-cache' to the curl command doesn't help, still the same response.
[16:01] <TJ-> Rogach: I only have IPv6 here so can't test your exact target but that makes sense - Phasing is applied based on client ID so presumably that PC is in a different set https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates
[16:03] <Rogach> TJ-: Well, I don't have IPv6 on the machine with the issue, so can't check that.
[16:03] <Rogach> But it seems like it's a bug?
[16:03] <Rogach> Phased updates are a nice idea, but the by-hash path shouldn't be wrong?
[16:03] <Rogach> Otherwise the phased update just doesn't work - it fails with checksum mismatch when I do apt update.
[16:04] <TJ-> Rogach: I agree, but internally the hashes may well be symlinks to filenames!
[16:05] <Rogach> TJ-: Of course, they very probably are. But it seems that currently some of the link magic is broken - link from the older hash shouldn't be pointing to the newer file.
[16:06] <TJ-> Rogach: did you obtain the hash from the same server?
[16:08] <Rogach> TJ-: I'm not sure. How does apt actually get the hash? By downloading Release file from the /ubuntu/dists/focal-updates?
[16:10] <TJ-> Rogach: the hash you've got from the InRelease file is likely from a different 'phase'
[16:10] <donofrio> what do I use to graph a pid out of an *.nmon file, I tried pyNmonAnalyzer but getting ModuleNotFound: No module named 'numpy' when I followed the steps at https://github.com/madmaze/pynmonanalyzer
[16:10] <TJ-> Rogach: I'd expect if you fetch the InRelease file from the same server/IPnow using the same client the hash will match
[16:13] <Rogach> TJ-: Tried that, the hash in InRelease is different (good). Tried both servers (91.189.88.142, 91.189.88.152), InRelease files both return the new hash. But running `apt update` results in an error again.
[16:14] <Rogach> (the error is as it should - InRelease points to a newer hash, but the file from by-hash link is different)
[16:15] <dman777> with Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS and apt-get update, it shows bash 4.4 the latest version. Why is this? that is old
[16:16] <TJ-> Rogach: archive admins think it's due to a transparent proxy, if curl -v doesn't reveal any proxy headers
[16:17] <Rogach> dman777: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=bash&searchon=names&suite=bionic&section=all
[16:17] <Rogach> dman777: Ubuntu 18.04 is also not very fresh.
[16:17] <tomreyn> especially 18.04.3 isn't
[16:18] <tomreyn> we're at .5
[16:18] <tomreyn> but bash would remain at 4.4 either way.
[16:18] <tomreyn> !latest | dman777
[16:18] <dman777> Rogach: since it's lts... wouldn't it have the most recent prod release of bash?
[16:18] <TJ-> Rogach: did you try curl -H 'Pragma: no-cache' ?
[16:18] <Rogach> TJ-: Ok, makes sense. But to be cached by a proxy, at some point in time the link should have been pointing to incorrect file, right?
[16:19] <TJ-> Rogach: it probably means the proxy cached the older file but ended up with an updated InRelease, or visa-versa
[16:19] <Rogach> TJ-: I tried Cache-Control. Now tried Pragma, same result.
[16:19] <dman777> ubottu: latest stable version of bash looks to be 5
[16:19] <TJ-> Rogach: bad proxy then; use a different protocol!
[16:20] <tomreyn> dman777: please re-read ubottus message
[16:20] <Rogach> TJ-: My understanding is that /by-hash/125d... was nonexistent before the new file was released, so there was nothing to be cached. Then new version is released, and /by-hash/125d... is created - but for some time it is returning incorrect file. Isn't it a bug?
[16:21] <tomreyn> dman777: "release" in "Post-release updates" refers to when Ubuntu 18.04 LTS was (first) released, so, as the naem indicates, in april 2018
[16:21] <Rogach> TJ-: I'll be happy to, but seems archive.ubuntu.com doesn't support HTTPS. What other protocol can I use?
[16:21] <TJ-> Rogach: some mirrors do HTTPS ... what's your location?
[16:21] <TJ-> !mirrors
[16:22] <tomreyn> look for a location close to you, and a mirror listing "https" in the second columns at  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[16:23] <tomreyn> Rogach: ^
[16:23] <Rogach> TJ-: tomreyn: Awesome!
[16:23] <Rogach> HTTPS is great =)
[16:42] <jason1234> hello
[16:42] <jason1234> which FPS game is cool on ubuntu?
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | jason1234
[16:50] <nemo> jason1234: maybe ask #libregamenight  they like discussing FOSS
[16:50] <nemo> jason1234: but naturally these days Steam means there's a huge selection if you don't want to restrict yourself to FOSS
[16:50] <nemo> wonder how long before someone installs a standard distro like ubuntu on their steamdeck
[17:09] <elge> meow there)  I've got some troubles with update-initramfs.  for some reason it fails at every hook call and looks for executables in /sbin instead of /usr/sbin
[17:10] <elge> I made a few symlinks but in the end, although it could build a ramfs without the complains, it ends up spitting some grep and awk not found at bootup
[17:10] <elge> how come update-initramfs started failing out of nowhere?
[17:10] <elge> how to make it look for binaries in the right place again?
[17:11] <leftyfb> elge: ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:12] <elge> https://termbin.com/87xye
[17:13] <leftyfb> elge: why are you running the 5.11 kernel and how did you install it?
[17:14] <elge> leftyfb, since the system is out-of-order, I booted up with the latest install media (release 21) and mounted the whole thing (and chrooted in it)
[17:16] <leftyfb> elge: can you look in /boot/ and see what kernels are installed on it? What happened to it that it's out of order?
[17:17] <elge> the ramfs I am trying to build against vmlinuz-5.10.0-1013-oem and vmlinuz-5.13.0-1009-oem, those are from ubuntu/focal packages I chose (I need those ones for some weird graphic card I have
[17:18] <elge> the initrd.img-* files are there also, since I made a few symlinks for update-initramfs to stop complaining, but that's probably not the best way to fix it
[17:25] <elge> yeah same with stock 5.4.0-80-generic, hooks are looking for /sbin/... for some reason
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> elge: perhaps you can pastebin your apt errors, so volunteers can think along better to debug your issue
[17:32] <elge> lotuspsychje, sure but in the meanwhile here's an update:
[17:32] <elge> the issue is even more system-wide, when I do `ldconfig` I get
[17:32] <elge> /usr/sbin/ldconfig: 16: exec: /sbin/ldconfig.real: not found
[17:33] <elge> ldconfig and ldconfig.real are in /usr/sbin not /sbin
[17:33] <julian> hi
[17:33] <elge> my path includes both /usr/sbin and /sbin so I don't get it...
[17:35] <elge> the ldconfig wrapper points to /sbin/ldconfig.real though, and it's hard-coded.
[17:39] <elge> https://hastebin.com/ojarorazon.sql
[17:48] <VIA> hey
[17:48] <VIA> how would i go about only updating one specific application, in this case firefox?
[17:48] <elge> ok I got it.  I most probably messed-up my ubuntu system while boostraping a slackware on it, by mistake.  it was supposed to be against a virtual disk, but hey, it looks like those pathes are valid for slackware... (((
[17:48] <VIA> there seems to be some issue when playback of DRM .. i allowed all the crap but nothing is working
[17:48] <leftyfb> VIA: sudo apt install firefox
[17:49] <VIA> it is install im thinking an update might help ..
[17:49] <VIA> sudo apt update firefox?
[17:49] <leftyfb> VIA: the command will update it to the latest available in ubuntu
[17:49] <leftyfb> VIA: sudo apt install firefox
[17:49] <TJ-> VIA: no, "install" -- it'll fetch the latest version available
[17:49] <VIA> <3
[17:49] <elge> may I restore a working system by doing something like `apt reinstall ubuntu-desktop` or something?
[17:49] <VIA> thanks alot leftyfb !!!
[17:50] <TJ-> VIA "update" only fetches the latest package lists ... "upgrade" is probably what you were intending, but "install" is the way
[17:50] <VIA> ic that now yea. havent done too often understand it now makes sense
[17:50] <VIA> upgrade command as i recall, did usually upgrad(update) everything
[17:50] <VIA> i dont like that much
[17:50] <TJ-> elge: not so easy, you'd need "install --reinstall" and that would usually only affect the named package, not the entire dependency chain
[17:51] <VIA>  can i also use it ina command for only one specific app ?
[17:51] <leftyfb> VIA: any particular reason you don't want to upgrade all the packages that need it?
[17:51] <VIA> endless reasons
[17:51] <elge> tj-, thanks, maybe there's a way for group of packages to do that?
[17:51] <VIA> stuff breaks whenever you start upgrading
[17:51] <TJ-> VIA: upgraded packages contain bug and security fixes
[17:51] <VIA> i hate security fixes
[17:51] <VIA> i want to bew wide open :p
[17:51] <TJ-> elge: not unless you name them on the command line
[17:52] <VIA> see, i managed to set this machien up with working amdgpu and lvm qemu
[17:52] <VIA> not shit doesnt work anymore. i didnt break it it bricked itself
[17:52] <elge> ok thanks I will get rid of this system and start from scratch
[17:52] <VIA> thanks,  but no thanks i will keep hating updates till i die
[17:54] <leftyfb> VIA: I've been running Ubuntu since 2007. During that time I think I've run into an update breaking something once or twice. I've always been able to fix it. If you stick with LTS releases you're a lot less likely to run into issues with updates. Refusing to do any updates "just cuz" is a very poor decision. Especially when you're looking for support.
[17:55] <leftyfb> VIA: case in point, you are trying to update firefox to fix a bug, hence the reason for updates
[17:57] <leftyfb> VIA: future reference, a lot of support solutions are going to highly suggest updating all your packages, at the very least the kernel.
[18:00] <elge> hmm I did a brutal for f in /usr/sbin/*; do ln -s... into /sbin and everything is back to normal.  Hmm what a strange system I have now.o0O
[18:01] <tomreyn> apparently you already had a strange system before.
[18:01] <elge> apparently it was just ONE package or so that was installed outside the chroot
[18:02] <elge> or not, but I woudlnt expect the system to work if it was truly an ubuntu-slackware mixup
[18:02] <leftyfb> ubuntu-slackware?
[18:03] <leftyfb> elge: what have you done with this machine exactly? Something isn't right about it and it's certainly not an issue with the default install. I feel like critical information is being left out
[18:03] <elge> yes, what happened was probably some slackware package install on ubuntu, causing this /sbin vs /usr/sbin messup
[18:03] <leftyfb> elge: how could you possible install a slackware package ubuntu and why would you want to?
[18:04] <elge> I mentioned it above (playing with vdisks, boostrapping VMs...)
[18:05] <leftyfb> elge: ok, let us know if you need any help after you reinstall the machine
[18:06] <rfm> elge, on ubuntu since focal /sbin is a symlink to /usr/sbin.  (and /bin is a link to /usr/bin.)  I'd reset the system to do that rather than individual symlinks which might need to be redone after updates.
[18:07] <leftyfb> rfm: the system is likely fubar'd and will need to be reinstalled from scratch
[18:09] <elge> rfm, thanks!  right!  that was it
[18:09] <elge> I only installed ONE package indeed, which is pkgtools, to actually proceed with the bootstrap.  and THIS ONE did create /sbin...
[18:15] <leftyfb> elge: you installed(I assume compiled) a package management application from a completely different and incompatible linux distribution in an out of band way and you wonder why things broke?
[18:41] <MrPocketz> Would you call me crazy if I said I felt like if I run a Ubuntu install for years and just continuously upgrade it as new releases come out, it eventually gets kinda buggy and unstable and a time eventually comes where I need to backup and reinstall?
[18:42] <leftyfb> MrPocketz: I always install from scratch for that very reason
[18:43] <leftyfb> MrPocketz: I created an ansible playbook that will reinstall every application and setting on my machine to about 95% of the state I had previously.
[18:43] <MrPocketz> Thats pretty dope.
[18:44]  * MrPocketz google ansible. 
[19:11] <Walex> MrPocketz: unless you do terrible things that works.
[19:11] <Walex> MrPocketz: some people have been upgrading for over 10 years.
[19:13] <Walex> MrPocketz: checking things are fine with 'debsums' every now and them will help know that the system is good
[19:23] <MrPocketz> I've been experiencing this lovely issue where the system'll just freeze
[19:24] <MrPocketz> not all at once. Kinda seems memory related. Open a demanding page in a browser, or Cura or something, and that application'll freeze, then other thigns will freeze over the course of the next 2-3 minutes, at which point the entire system is locked up. Older i7, 16GB DDR3, SSD, all hardware checks out and passes diags.
[19:28] <BeneditoSalvador> how do I manage the wireless connection of my hp printer using hplip? i don't want to reconfigure it again, only connect it to another ssid
[19:37] <leftyfb> BeneditoSalvador: I don't think you can
[19:55] <Aavar> Is there a simple way to run a snap as a normal user (thelounge)?
[20:00] <leftyfb> Aavar: Running an application installed via snap will run it as the user that opened the application
[20:01] <leftyfb> Aavar: though, something like "thelounge" which is a hosted service, something like that typically runs with administrative privileges due to hosting a service like a web server
[20:01] <Aavar> leftyfb: ok, so I should look into the configuration for thelounge then? Since it's a service.
[20:01] <Aavar> ?
[20:01] <leftyfb> Aavar: can I ask why you want to run the web service as a regular user?
[20:02] <Aavar> leftyfb: Because when I connect to a network it wont let me because my ident is root.
[20:02] <leftyfb> Aavar: ok, then that would certainly be a configuration issue specific to the application. You should read through the documentation
[20:03] <leftyfb> Aavar: https://thelounge.chat/docs/guides/identd-and-oidentd
[20:03] <Aavar> leftyfb: Thank you :)
[20:03] <Raqbit> Hi! I'm getting frequent crashes in the thunderbolt kernel module with my XPS 15 (9500) and my Dell WD19TB Thunderbolt Dock, and I'd like to get to the bottom of this as it is getting quite annoying and will also hang my laptop. I got some dmesg logs from the past couple of times it has happened. Where would be the best place to send these crash
[20:03] <Raqbit> logs?
[20:03] <leftyfb> !bug | Raqbit
[20:04] <Aavar> leftyfb: I am running oident, so i'll be looking into that. One last question. As I am running a snap. Where is the files actually located? configuration that is.
[20:04] <Raqbit> Okay, thank you!
[20:05] <leftyfb> Aavar: it looks like thelounge has one built in that it uses
[20:05] <leftyfb> Aavar: usually ~/snap/<application> or /snap/<application>/
[20:05] <leftyfb> Aavar: this being a service, it's probably the latter
[20:06] <Aavar> tnx.
[20:07] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: the lowlatency kernel has higher power requirements for PREEMPT_RT being activated (along with threadirqs), so if you're on a laptop, that's why. Also, it increases latency in some areas, believe it or not.
[20:08] <tomreyn> Raqbit: feel free to report back here once it's filed, maybe we can come up with a workaround.
[20:08] <leftyfb> Eickmeyer: that's the answer as to why it's still included in Ubuntu Studio? Sounds like answers as to why it should be removed :)
[20:11] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: Because it lowers latency to audio devices, which is imperitive in live audio production.
[20:12] <leftyfb> Eickmeyer: "However, since Linux 2.6, the real-time stack has been part of the Linux kernel, having a kernel patched with a real-time stack is no longer necessary."
[20:12] <leftyfb> Eickmeyer: from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel
[20:13] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: I wrote that page.
[20:14] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: realtime != lowlatency
[20:14] <leftyfb> ah, right
[20:15] <leftyfb> thank you for clearing that up
[20:15] <Eickmeyer> np
[20:19] <krytarik> Regardless, I think you are confusing have code in the kernel base with it actually being enabled.
[20:28] <Aavar> leftyfb: Fyi. Oident has a simple spoofing function that hides root. Not the most elegant of solutions, but as I am the only user on this machine it it ok :) Thank you again.
[20:51] <jabberwock> Hi all. I'm having issues when I connect an external monitor to this Dell XPS 7590 - both the laptop display and external display go black. I see there is a "fixed" evdi kernel module, so I installed it... but not seeing any results.
[20:52] <jabberwock> I saw the mention of "this happened after upgrading fro 18.04 to 20.04" and I'm wondering if I should instead install 18.04
[20:53] <jabberwock> so I went to the kubuntu website and 18.04 isn't obviously available. I'm wondering which direction to take
[20:54] <tuxick> got 21.04?
[20:54] <tuxick> go
[20:54] <jabberwock> Does 21.04 include a fix for this evdi bug?
[20:55] <tuxick> dunno
[20:55] <jabberwock> why should I go 21.04?
[20:55] <tuxick> but worth a shot i suppose?
[20:55] <tuxick> beaths downgrading
[20:55] <jabberwock> maybe :)
[20:56] <tomreyn> is there any bug report on the issue you described?
[20:56] <tuxick> but it's a kernel module thing, no?
[20:56] <jabberwock> tuxick: it's tough to say. I'm pasting the only fishy looking thing from dmesg into dr. google
[20:56] <tuxick> heh
[20:57] <tuxick> dr google tends to be good at finding people who also have a problem but no solution
[20:57] <jabberwock> tomreyn: https://github.com/DisplayLink/evdi/issues/275
[20:58] <jabberwock> tuxick: ok
[20:58] <jabberwock> tomreyn: I found that by searching for "(dev=0) poll connector state: disconnected"
[20:58] <jabberwock> (actually using brave search fwiw, but "dr. google" is more fun)
[20:58] <tuxick> ah just found that same site :)
[20:59] <tuxick> reinstalled my laptop last week, so i'll be facing same thing
[20:59] <jabberwock> I was attempting to get my external GPU working and then thought "well does this work via direct HDMI?" and... nope
[20:59] <jabberwock> tuxick: GL! It can be fun when not pressed for time
[21:00] <tuxick> no rush indeed, it's on desk at work
[21:00] <jabberwock> I think I'm going to try 21.04. At this point I've installed so much crap trying to get this thing in a "windows replacement" mode that i lost track
[21:01] <tomreyn> jabberwock: oh you're using DisplayLink, i hadn't realized that. i guess that means you depend on synaptics, and should seek support from them.
[21:01] <jabberwock> with autocad fusion 360 stlil being the red-headed step-child
[21:01] <tuxick> i went for 21.04 hoping for better isntaller
[21:01] <jabberwock> tomreyn: I don't really know what or who I need :-/
[21:01] <tuxick> but ended up setting up partitioning/lvm outside of installer anyway
[21:01] <jabberwock> I'm grasping at straws. Tons of moving parts and no direct "aha!"
[21:02] <jabberwock> tuxick: may as well make it interesting: https://web.archive.org/web/20200621204740/https://www.coolgeeks101.com/howto/infrastructure/full-disk-encryption-ubuntu-usb-detached-luks-header/
[21:03] <jabberwock> I say that having just disabled practically every security measure in the BIOS so I could mount a bitlocker partition
[21:03] <jabberwock> tpm--
[21:04] <tuxick> no, i felt no need for full disk encryption
[21:04] <tomreyn> jabberwock: well if you're using proprietary drivers such as DisplayLink's then that's alsways a good candidate to look into.
[21:04] <tuxick> no idea about performance penalty but don't like the idea
[21:05] <jabberwock> tomreyn: I'm only using them because it seemed like one of many things to loko at
[21:05] <jabberwock> I can't say that I need DisplayLink since it hasn't fixed anything with getting an external display to work
[21:05] <jabberwock> Nor did the latest nvidia drivers
[21:05] <jabberwock> s/loko/look
[21:07] <jabberwock> and evidently display features in linux are a huge macine that I'm simply not familiar with
[21:07] <tomreyn> displaylink is a technology to spread a screen across multiple monitors. if you don't need this, don't do it.
[21:09] <jabberwock> I don't. I just need an an external monitor. Thank you for that clarity!
[21:10] <tomreyn> which connector is this external monitor using?
[21:11] <jabberwock> built in HDMI
[21:12] <jabberwock> this all began as a hunt to get fusion 360 working lol
[21:12] <jabberwock> maybe I'll just use a mac for that
[21:13] <tomreyn> you first need to simplify the setup to get things working properly again, then, if you need to, expand again from there.
[21:13]  * jabberwock nods
[21:13] <jabberwock> good call
[21:20] <tuxick> usually simply hooking up second monitor should be no problem at all?
[21:20] <tuxick> kde even has some nice config tool for that
[21:20] <jabberwock> I don't see it. The display configuration app doesn't show anything about a second display
[21:20] <tuxick> hm
[21:21] <jabberwock> and re: "simply" - I remember worse times getting a sound card to work so I'm not going to complain too much
[21:21] <jabberwock> yes I'd expect it to, with the advent of systemd and udev etc... first time trying it sense then I suppose
[21:21] <tuxick> haha yeah well, sound has been a massive pain for ages
[21:21] <jabberwock> lol yep
[21:21] <jabberwock> *since
[21:25] <tuxick> so, is there a /var/log/Xorg.1.log?
[21:44] <tomreyn> jabberwock: if you're using nvidia graphics with their proprietary driver ("nvidia") - and that is properly loaded and X is configured to use it (and iut's actually X and not XWayland) - you'll be managing the displays attached to this card using the "nvidia-settings" application
[21:46] <Guest84> Hi. I have a Ubuntu Server 20.04, with unattended upgrades enabled. "apt list --upgradable" shows 95 upgradable packages. I notice all the upgradable packages are in focal-updates, then I saw in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades that the only allowed origins are focal and focal-security. (focal-updates commented out). Is this how I should
[21:46] <Guest84> keep my server configured, or do I enable focal-updates?
[21:47] <Guest84> This is a my personal VPS on the Internet. No production, but not hidden by a NAT either.
[21:47] <Guest84> Basically I'm wondering how other people configure their servers
[21:49] <Guest84> Question 2: I see in apt installation log, eg /var/log/dpkg.log, that it installed "2021-07-21 06:49:47 install linux-image-5.4.0-80-generic:amd64 <none> 5.4.0-80.90". But "uname -a" shows I'm still on 5.4.0-72-generic. Do I need to reboot for these updates to apply?
[21:49] <tomreyn> Guest84: some prefer having no automated updates at all, many prefer automated security updates only (that's what you have now, and the default), and some are fine with automated security and bug fix updates.
[21:49] <tomreyn> and some would even agree with automatic reboots
[21:50] <tomreyn> yes, you would usually reboot to apply a kernel upgrade
[21:50] <Guest84> Is there a way I can make it reboot automatically for kernel upgrades?
[21:51] <tomreyn> yes, just properly read the file you already looked at
[21:51] <Guest84> oops, yeah
[21:51] <Guest84> thanks for the info, saved for posterity
[21:55] <tomreyn> good luck :)
[22:01] <user01> hi is there a channel for pulseaudio issues?
[22:02] <user01> im looking for a substitute to pavucontrol which hasnt been maintained in 2 years
[22:06] <sarnold> user01: there's a #lau channel, or at least there was in the before times
[22:07] <user01> before libera chat times?
[22:08] <sarnold> yeah
[22:08] <sarnold> the channel moves over, but it's quite a bit smaller than I remember it being, heh
[22:08] <sarnold> I wonder if most of their channel was matrix zombies back then or if I'm misremembering, hehe
[22:09] <user01> sarnold, i went to #pulseaudio and not allowed to post there i guess
[22:11] <sarnold> user01: their /topic says they moved to OFTC
[22:14] <user01> sarnold, oh yeah thanks
[23:57] <V|A> how do i run the filemanager as root?
[23:58] <kpcyrd> V|A: you shouldn't do this
[23:58] <V|A> are you serious?
[23:58] <V|A> why not type not
[23:59] <oerheks> there is a nautilus plugin to open a file as administrator, and more
[23:59] <oerheks> https://itsfoss.com/open-nautilus-as-administrator/
[23:59] <V|A> i donmt have nautilus.