[00:05] <tomreyn> britho: the wiki tends to have this issue. which is why documentation is slowly being moved to discourse.ubuntu.com, i think.
[00:05] <britho> @tomreyn gotcha, thanks.
[00:05] <tomreyn> if you shift-reload a given page after you ran into a 500, it *may* help
[00:11] <Guest25> Using the acpi_osi=Windows doesn't seem to help. I found two Windows strings in the firmware to try and neither works unfortunately.
[00:18] <tomreyn> Guest25: which options did you pass?
[00:23] <Guest25> I tried Windows 2012 and Windows 2009 as those were the only strings that came up in the firmware
[00:23] <Guest25> I did just now finally make my way to something useful in the bug link from above. https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103211#c298
[00:25] <Guest25> The commands in that post are able to shut the machine down normally it appears. Does that mean I need a custom patch for this machine or is there a way to trigger that behavior. I was a bit lost in that discussion.
[00:28] <tomreyn> Guest25: which commands specifically?
[00:35] <Guest25> setpci -s1c.0 0x20.l=0xf011f001       # sec 19.1.16  MBL (non-prefetchable)
[00:35] <Guest25>   setpci -s1c.0 0x24.l=0xf031f021       # sec 19.1.17  PMBL (prefetchable)
[00:35] <Guest25>   lspci -vvs1c.0
[00:35] <Guest25>   poweroff
[00:36] <leftyfb> !paste | Guest25
[00:37] <Guest25> so much I don't know
[00:39] <Guest25> Looks like the patch that came out of that bug only specifically affects MacbookPro11,5 and 11,5. I suspect if I spend the time to figure out how to compile a custom kernel I can make my iMac shutdown properly.
[00:41] <Guest25> Maybe I'll dive into that next weekend. If it works I supposed I could submit a patch. Lots of fun stuff to learn. :-)
[00:42] <tomreyn> Guest25: yes, i would think you could try to make it so that the same quirk also applies to your model.
[00:42] <tomreyn> the "lspci -vvs1c.0" command should actually have printed something on screen, i would think. did it?
[00:52] <Guest25> yes it did
[00:54] <dman777_alter> since pulseaudio uses alsa, how do you know if pulseaudio is being used or is it just alsa when something like youtube is playing?
[00:56] <LjL> dman777_alter, install pavucontrol and you'll see which streams are being played
[00:58] <dman777_alter> LjL: thanks
[00:59] <dman777_alter> I need to map my laptop volume buttons to audio. Would I map them to alsamixer commands or something else with pulseaudio?
[01:05] <sleepymario> dman777_alter: what DE are you using?
[01:06] <dman777_alter> sleepymario: none... just compiz fusion
[01:28] <goddard> how do i add execute permissions to group category with chmod i know it has like chmod g+w or chmod g+r but what is the third one again?
[01:33] <optimant> execute's mnemonic is x, so g+x
[01:35] <dman777_alter> when I use mplayer to play a mpg video on my laptop, it causes my laptop to heat up. Is there a better alternative for a commandline player?
[01:50] <goddard> optimant: im so tired i was trying to just type sudo g+x dir
[01:50] <goddard> thanks
[01:54] <optimant> np!
[02:20] <Batzy> hi all, i have a dual arch/win10 boot right now. And I want to switch the arch to ubuntu. win10 and arch are installed on different harddisks, however right now my /boot folder is on the disk that arch is installed on. I can see in my /boot/efi/EFI folder there are some Microsoft files so I am worried writing ubuntu onto this disk will screw up the
[02:20] <Batzy> windows boot. Anyone have any advice or guides to handle something like that, or should I just not be worried?
[02:27] <tomreyn> hi Batzy, so which of the two drives is your EFI system partition on?
[02:27] <Batzy> the one with the arch install, i am sure
[02:27] <Batzy> you're talking about /boot/efi right?
[02:27] <tomreyn> yes
[02:27] <Batzy> yes, same device AND partition as arch install
[02:28] <tomreyn> same partition? that's unlikely you won't have the arch installation on the efi system partition
[02:28] <tomreyn> just its boot loader
[02:28] <tomreyn> unless, maybe, it's just an image file?
[02:29] <Batzy> well gparted is just getting my devcices completely wrong...
[02:29] <Batzy> hm
[02:29] <Batzy> oh wait nvm
[02:30] <Batzy> ok
[02:30] <Batzy> tomreyn arch is on /dev/sdc so the boot partition is on /dev/sdc1, sdc2 is SWAP, sdc3 is /
[02:31] <tomreyn> i see. then what is on sda and sdb? and is there also sdd?
[02:31] <tomreyn> i guess one of those will contain windows?
[02:31] <Batzy> sda, sdb, and sdd are essentially all for windows
[02:31] <Batzy> but windows system files are on sda
[02:31] <Batzy> sdb and sdd are essentially just extra storage
[02:31] <Batzy> wait i lied
[02:32] <Batzy> sdd is the usb i have plugged in to install ubuntu right now
[02:32] <Batzy> so sdb is extra storage, and so is nvme0n1
[02:32] <Batzy> sda still is windows system files
[02:33] <tomreyn> okay, so about sdc, you said "the boot partition is on /dev/sdc1", this sounds like arch's /boot mount comes from /dev/sdc1. but that would mean the efi system partition is somewhere else. where is it?
[02:34] <Batzy> i mean gparted says /dev/sdc1 is a fat32 FS
[02:34] <Batzy> isn't that required for efi?
[02:34] <Batzy> also has flags boot, esp
[02:34] <Batzy> if the answer is still "no" im unsure how to find it
[02:34] <tomreyn> okay, if that's the only one with the esp flag, then that's the ESP
[02:35] <Batzy> nothing else has esp flag
[02:35] <minions> hello
[02:35] <tomreyn> so i assume arch has/had no separate /boot, ok
[02:35] <Batzy> nope
[02:36] <Batzy> that was my doing when i installed i think :)
[02:37] <tomreyn> so you just need to remove the file system signatures on sdc2..n, then install ubuntu to sdc
[02:38] <tomreyn> if windows is also booting in uefi mode, the ubuntu installer should detect it while installing and offer to install itself in addition to it.
[02:38] <Batzy> ok so, i pretty much dont touch sdc1
[02:38] <Batzy> install ubuntu system onto sdc2+
[02:38] <Batzy> and then what? do a good ol' update-grub or something?
[02:39] <tomreyn> sdc1 will also contain the windows boot loader, so yes, don't remove that
[02:39] <Batzy> yes i looked, and it's in there
[02:39] <Batzy> ok thanks
[02:39] <Batzy> is everything else autohandled?
[02:39] <tomreyn> the installer would run "groub-install", which would install to the existing ESP
[02:39] <Batzy> ugh, beautiful
[02:39] <tomreyn> ...i think ;)
[02:39] <Batzy> o
[02:40] <Batzy> oh well, let's give it a shot
[02:40] <Batzy> ill be back when everything completely fails and i cant use my computer anymore!
[02:40] <tomreyn> if you prefer the more manual approach, you can do the partitioning yourself and use debootstrap instead
[02:40] <Batzy> doesn't the ubuntu installer have a spot to specify the partitioning?
[02:40] <tomreyn> and there's also the server installer
[02:41] <tomreyn> yes, there's a graphical configuration ustility for manual partitioning in te desktop installer
[02:41] <Batzy> yeah ill just do that
[02:41] <tomreyn> also a non graphical one in the server installer
[02:41] <Batzy> server installer was an idea, but im trying to get away from all the hardcore DIY linux stuff on this device for awhile
[02:41] <Batzy> 1 of the reasons i am moving away from arch for now
[02:41] <Batzy> (although i do want to use nix package manager on ubuntu :)) )
[02:42] <tomreyn> do make sure to have backups whenever you do such operations, though
[02:42] <tomreyn> i don't want to take the blame if windows doesn't start anymore. ;)
[02:42] <tomreyn> personally, i wouldn't do multi.boot setups nowayds
[02:42] <tomreyn> *nowadays
[02:42] <Batzy> i have 4 harddisks so
[02:42] <Batzy> it's not that big of a deal
[02:43] <Batzy> i like linux more but i am also cursed with liking video games
[02:43] <Batzy> so here we are
[02:43] <Batzy> tomreyn all files i want to keep are already backed up
[02:43] <Batzy> did you mean to back something else up?
[02:43] <tomreyn> the problem is with the operrating systems fighting about who has the ultimate power over what's running on your system
[02:43] <goddard> Batzy: i like video games as well and only run Linux.  :D
[02:43] <Batzy> goddard then you dont play real video games
[02:44] <tomreyn> there's lookingglass
[02:44] <goddard> Batzy: haha
[02:44] <Batzy> tomreyn whats that
[02:44] <Batzy> goddard lutris cant do it all mate
[02:44] <tomreyn> a solution for the low latency graphics in a VM problem
[02:44] <Batzy> if it could i would definitely do it
[02:45] <Batzy> some of the games i play, any penalty i would have to accept by not running natively is not worth it
[02:45] <goddard> Batzy: wine is native
[02:45] <tomreyn> i don't think you would notice, though
[02:45] <Batzy> goddard good luck running most things in wine
[02:46] <Batzy> goddard here i have a challenge for u
[02:46] <tomreyn> https://looking-glass.io/
[02:46] <Batzy> https://store.steampowered.com/app/594650/Hunt_Showdown/ goddard get that running on linux
[02:46] <goddard> ive been playing Witcher 3 on my GPD Win 3 with Intel Xe graphics for awhile
[02:47] <Batzy> there's also the problem of
[02:47] <Batzy> '"every time i get a new game i have to work hard to get it running right in linux"
[02:47] <Batzy> ok im going to go install ubuntu now
[02:47] <Batzy> ill be back to personally blame tomreyn for all failures.
[02:47] <Batzy> cya
[02:47] <goddard> Batzy: looks like a cross between bioshock and metro last light or something
[02:47] <tomreyn> awesome!
[02:47] <Batzy> goddard nope
[02:48] <Batzy> im not sure how to explain it, but it's pvpve. Closer to a battle royale but there's a single objective everyone is trying to get
[02:48] <tomreyn> and make sure you actually read that website i posted some time. it's for running windows in a vm, with full graphics acceleration
[02:48] <Batzy> tomreyn i will
[02:48] <goddard> This game won't run because EAC
[02:48] <Batzy> i am just not ready to dedicate all devices towards a linux install this weekend. But it is very interesting
[02:49] <Batzy> also i have nvidia rtx gpu
[02:49] <Batzy> i know nvidia hates linux
[02:49] <Batzy> goddard mm
[02:49] <Batzy> goddard there u go
[02:49] <goddard> Valve said they are working with companies to make EAC work so theres that i guess
[02:50] <tomreyn> Batzy: when on the custom partitioning tool...
[02:50] <tomreyn> ...make sure to select sdc1 on the slim line below that window
[02:50] <tomreyn> it is often missed
[02:50] <tomreyn> it says "where to install boot loader" or something
[02:56] <Batzy> yeah im going to hang out here on my laptop
[02:56] <Batzy> as i set this up
[02:57] <tomreyn> good strategy, so you can ensure to be able to blame me. ;-)
[02:57] <Batzy> tomreyn for some reason on the "device for boot loader installation" /dev/sdc is completely missing
[02:57] <Batzy> oh shit
[02:57] <Batzy> tomreyn it reordered the devices i think...the /dev/sdd from before is not the same /dev/sdd as now
[02:57] <tomreyn> hmm then you must be in a mode where it tried to use the entire sdc for the fresh install
[02:58] <tomreyn> oh thats also possibe
[02:58] <tomreyn> possible
[02:58] <Batzy> no i did custom
[02:58] <Batzy> it's the last option of the 3
[02:58] <Batzy> so it says windows boot manager is on /dev/sdd1
[02:58] <tomreyn> you can spawn a terminal with ctrl-alt-t if you want to examine
[02:58] <Batzy> and arch is on /dev/sdd3, so i bet dev/sdd2 is swap
[02:58] <Batzy> so i am going to guess i install boot loader to /dev/sdd1
[02:59] <tomreyn> probably
[02:59] <Batzy> yeah i see it now, definitely switched the device names
[03:00] <Batzy> ok so i deleted the swap and / partitions for arch and /dev/sdd1 is the same and where im installing bootloader
[03:00] <Batzy> whats the recommended partition setup for ubuntu again?
[03:00] <Batzy> single partition? do i need swap?
[03:01] <tomreyn> swap can be on the file system if you'Re using ext4
[03:01] <tomreyn> if you don't need encryption then you just need a single partition
[03:01] <Batzy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DiskSpace
[03:01] <Batzy> i dont need encryption and plan to use ext4
[03:01] <Batzy> so no swap...go it
[03:01] <Batzy> got it
[03:02] <Batzy> ok so for this installation type menu, i have /dev/sdd1 untouched, it is selected on the slim line for boot loader installation, and i have /dev/sdd2 highlighted for the install which has mountpoint / and type ext4
[03:02] <Batzy> cool
[03:03]  * Batzy everyone cross their fingers
[03:03] <tomreyn> if it's happy to install this way, i guess this should work
[03:04] <Batzy> this was easier than i thought!
[03:04] <Batzy> it almost installed nixos instead btw, but i decided ubuntu + nix would be a better way to test out nix
[03:04] <tomreyn> better wait until it's booted!
[03:05] <Batzy> i almost*
[03:05] <Technoturnovers> is kubuntu an official flavor?
[03:06] <Bashing-om> Technoturnovers: Yup - :D
[03:06] <Bashing-om> !flavors | Technoturnovers
[03:07] <Technoturnovers> alright, I've got an issue with secure boot
[03:07] <Technoturnovers> shim is "working", it doesn't scream about a wrong key or boot me into mokmanager
[03:07] <Technoturnovers> but when I boot with secure boot enabled, I just get a black screen
[03:08] <Technoturnovers> I'm using encryption, I suspect that might have something to do with it
[03:08] <Technoturnovers> is it possible that some bug is stopping the password prompt from displaying?
[03:08] <Bashing-om> Technoturnovers: What pops to mind is that you attempted to install a proprietary driver while "secure boot" was enabled ? Now no driver is loaded ?
[03:09] <Technoturnovers> this happened before I installed any proprietary drivers
[03:09] <Batzy> wow if i knew kubuntu was an official flavor i wouldve done that instead of ubuntu
[03:09] <Technoturnovers> I did boot without secure boot to install nvidia drivers
[03:09] <Technoturnovers> but that didn't make any change
[03:10] <Batzy> tomreyn install finished and it boots windows just fine. im going to guess the ubuntu is also going to be fine
[03:10] <tomreyn> Batzy: if it booted it through grub, then probably so
[03:11] <Technoturnovers> oh and also, not sure if this is kubuntu only, but I've got a different, kind of urgent bug with the installer to discuss
[03:11] <frickenate> Please, I need urgent help. I have a fresh Ubuntu 21.04 server, and I need to create a normal user who can connect via ftp to upload me a large file. It's a throwaway; I care very little for security, thus I want my friend to drop me a file via ftp rather than via ssh/sftp. I create the user (sudo useradd -m sean), set their password (sudo passwd sean), and add "sean" to /etc/ftpusers.
[03:11] <frickenate> Server restart, and yet I still can't ftp to the server as "sean".
[03:11] <tomreyn> Batzy: the kubuntu installation should be about as simple if you want to try again
[03:12] <Technoturnovers> frickenate: using SSH would actually be easier
[03:12] <tomreyn> frickenate: i second this.
[03:12] <Technoturnovers> FTP servers are a massive pain, in my experience
[03:12] <tomreyn> winscp if they're a windows user
[03:13] <Technoturnovers> also, I know this is a dumb question, but did you port forward?
[03:13] <frickenate> And in fact, even if I set "PasswordAuthentication yes" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, I can't even connect via ssh. Something is really fucked up.
[03:13] <frickenate> ssh as the new user, the first time, gives "Too many authentication failures"
[03:13] <frickenate> I've never seen this problem. I feel like it's probably some new garbage systemd
[03:14] <frickenate> "feature"
[03:14] <Technoturnovers> systemd is hot trash, but that's because it's monolithic, it probably isn't breaking your system
[03:14] <frickenate> sudo useradd, sudo passwd, then ssh gives immediate "Too many authentication failures"
[03:14] <Batzy> quick question...how do i set my primary display on ubuntu? I have 3 monitors and both the login screen and actual system have the wrong display as the main one. I reordered the displays so my mouse moves properly, but how do i switch everything to my middle display?
[03:15] <Batzy> (example: for login screen my password is input on my far right display, and the task bar when i login is also on my far right)
[03:15] <Batzy> oh wait
[03:15] <Batzy> i found it
[03:16] <tomreyn> https://i.stack.imgur.com/wPmiD.png
[03:17] <Batzy> tomreyn yeah i found it...why does yours look much older
[03:17] <tomreyn> because it is ;)
[03:17] <Technoturnovers> Bashing-om: just to repeat, the only difference as far as my issue goes is having secure boot enabled/disabled
[03:17] <tomreyn> Batzy: took it from here https://askubuntu.com/questions/300670/is-there-any-ability-to-set-my-primary-monitor
[03:18] <frickenate> For real… nobody knows why I can't connect to a newly created account with ssh, even with sshd_config's "PasswordAuthentication yes" set?
[03:18] <Technoturnovers> I know that shim changes the resolution if you're using grub early cryptodisk and that prompt comes up
[03:18] <Technoturnovers> so I think it might be screwing up plymouth somehow
[03:18] <tomreyn> frickenate: did you reload ssh?
[03:18] <frickenate> @tomreyn I rebooted the server to be sure.
[03:19] <frickenate> useradd sean, passwd sean, reboot.
[03:19] <Bashing-om> Technoturnovers: Sorry my skills in encryption are nill :D
[03:19] <Technoturnovers> frickenate: we could probably use some actually sshd logs
[03:19] <tomreyn> frickenate: PermitRootLogin defaults to prohibit-password, i.e. root cannot login with a password, in case you're trying to so do
[03:20] <Technoturnovers> Bashing-om: this isn't even an encryption issue, really, it's just the fact that plymouth's password screen decides not to show when shim triggers
[03:20] <frickenate> The user I'm creating is not root.
[03:20] <frickenate> I'm trying the whole thing again from scratch, one sec.
[03:20] <Technoturnovers> I plan on testing with splash disabled in my kernel commandline later, but I haven't tried it yet since changing grub configs from a chroot is a pain
[03:21] <tomreyn> frickenate: use adduser, not useradd
[03:21] <Bashing-om> Technoturnovers: one can see what results when booting to terminal from grub, Rule out a GUI issue.
[03:21] <frickenate> useradd -m sean
[03:21] <tomreyn> yes, dont
[03:22] <Technoturnovers> Bashing-om: I haven't actually been able to get the grub menu open, but it could very well be because my computer literally just boots too fast
[03:22] <Technoturnovers> lemme see if I can get the grub menu open with secure boot off
[03:22] <frickenate> WTF. "Received disconnect from 143.198.35.55 port 22:2: Too many authentication failures
[03:23] <tomreyn> frickenate: you want to use adduwser on debian derivatives. there are reasons to it, codumented in the adduser man page. it's about UID/GID ranges
[03:23] <frickenate> Fine, I'll try and it will fail again.
[03:23] <tomreyn> possbly. check logs as well
[03:23] <frickenate> You're supposed to use the useradd variant… it's higher level and I've NEVER had a problem.
[03:24] <Technoturnovers> gonna be disconnecting to see if I can test out the grub menu
[03:27] <frickenate> WTF
[03:27] <Batzy> ubuntu doesnt come with vim and curl installed? WTF
[03:27] <frickenate> Ubuntu user accounts and ssh is so fucking broken.
[03:28] <frickenate> Received disconnect from 143.198.35.55 port 22:2: Too many authentication failures
[03:28] <frickenate> Disconnected from 143.198.35.55 port 22
[03:28] <frickenate> I can't fucking connect with any user other than root
[03:28] <tomreyn> please calm down on that language a little
[03:28] <alkisg> Batzy: it has vi and wget if it helps
[03:29] <tomreyn> Batzy: and you can easily install those, i guess
[03:29] <frickenate> @tomreyn Ubuntu is doing garbage shit that has never happened in the past 20 years. Don't tell me to calm down.
[03:29] <alkisg> frickenate: I was going to help you, but I won't, with this language
[03:29] <alkisg> Not everyone likes that language. You may; not everyone does
[03:30] <tomreyn> frickenate: you haven't even managed to have a look at the logs, for all we know
[03:30] <frickenate> Fuck it, gonna try Debian. After years of Ubuntu, the most basic ssh connect of a new user account is not working.
[03:30] <alkisg> No worries, see you in #debian later on
[03:30] <tomreyn> i told you what needed changing
[03:31] <frickenate> I tried adduser, no difference.
[03:31] <tomreyn> useradd with -U might also have worked
[03:31] <tomreyn> oh, good to know
[03:31] <frickenate> It's not like this is the first time I've created a new user account… hundreds of times with no issue.
[03:31] <tomreyn> well, see you in #debian !
[03:33] <Technoturnovers> so, it seems like grub just straight up isn't working in secure boot
[03:33] <Technoturnovers> I was able to get to the GRUB menu with secure boot disabled, but not enabled
[03:33] <alkisg> Technoturnovers: and how does your kernel get loaded?
[03:34] <Technoturnovers> uhhhhhhh
[03:34] <Technoturnovers> what do you mean?
[03:34] <alkisg> I mean, it's UEFI > grub > kernel
[03:34] <alkisg> If grub doesn't load, kernel doesn't load, computer doesn't boot. Is this the case?
[03:34] <Batzy> tomreyn yeah it's not a big deal, just the first OS i've used without vim
[03:34] <Technoturnovers> it's an issue with shim
[03:34] <Technoturnovers> that all works fine when secure boot is disabled
[03:35] <alkisg> With shim, it's UEFI > shim > grub > kernel
[03:35] <Technoturnovers> when secure boot is enabled, I get a black screen with no error
[03:35] <Technoturnovers> yes I know
[03:35] <tomreyn> this sounds like you don't have grub-efi-amd64-signed installed
[03:35] <Technoturnovers> anyways, I checked my keys, I have the canonical PK enrolled
[03:35] <Batzy> anyone know why Ubuntu software just wouldnt be starting?
[03:35] <Technoturnovers> tomreyn: that could be the case, but if that's true, it means that the kubuntu installer is flat out broken
[03:36] <alkisg> Technoturnovers: Ah, ok sorry I didn't read the whole backstory. So the problem is that when you enable secure boot, you get a black screen etc, and the computer doesn't boot, right?
[03:36] <Technoturnovers> because this is a normal fresh install, nothing wacky
[03:36] <Technoturnovers> yeah
[03:36] <tomreyn> Technoturnovers: did you install it while secureboot was enabled?
[03:36] <alkisg> Boot it without secure boot and paste the output of `dpkg -l | grep grub` to check tomreyn's theory...
[03:37] <Technoturnovers> tomreyn: I might have had it disabled
[03:37] <Technoturnovers> but if grub weren't signed, shouldn't shim be throwing an error and booting me to mokmanager?
[03:37] <tomreyn> Technoturnovers: then that's expected (by me, at least, maybe not by you ;-) )
[03:37] <Technoturnovers> well, actually, mokmanager isn't on my EFI partition
[03:37] <alkisg> AFAIK shim doesn't get installed when secure boot isn't detected
[03:37] <Technoturnovers> trust me, I've got shim
[03:37] <Technoturnovers> I check efibootmgr
[03:38] <alkisg> dpkg -l | grep shim will tell us
[03:38] <Technoturnovers> alright, I gotta leave again then
[03:38] <Technoturnovers> well I mean
[03:38] <Technoturnovers> I *know* shim is installed
[03:38] <Technoturnovers> that is not up for question
[03:38] <Technoturnovers> I even checked that shim-signed was up to date
[03:38] <Technoturnovers> and it was, according to apt
[03:39] <Technoturnovers> but I'll check grub
[03:39] <tomreyn> alkisg: there's no pakage named *shim*, i think
[03:39] <alkisg> You can also paste the output of `find /boot/efi -ls`
[03:39] <Technoturnovers> okay, but again, I gotta leave to do that because I'm booted into windows right now
[03:39] <alkisg> ii  shim                                                  15+1533136590.3beb971-0ubuntu1                  amd64 boot loader to chain-load signed boot loaders under Secure Boot
[03:39] <alkisg> ii  shim-signed                                           1.40.2+15+1533136590.3beb971-0ubuntu1           amd64        Secure Boot chain-loading bootloader (Microsoft-signed binary)
[03:40] <Technoturnovers> alkisg: I repeat, I *KNOW* that shim is installed
[03:40] <alkisg> tomreyn: ^
[03:40] <alkisg> That was for tomreyn
[03:40] <tomreyn> alkisg: oops, weird, i don't know why my search missed it
[03:40] <tomreyn> oh it did not,. PEBKAC
[03:41] <frickenate> Ok wtf… so I use gnupg on macOS, and apparently the reason I can't ssh as a new user to a server is because I have multiple entries in my ~/.gnupg/sshcontrol file?
[03:42] <alkisg> tomreyn: grub is signed with canonical keys, while shim is signed with microsoft keys; without it, secure boot can't be used without adding canonical keys to uefi
[03:42] <alkisg> I.e. microsoft signing is the basic reason shim exists
[03:42] <frickenate> So the "Too many authentication failures" is because it's trying to submit too many keys before even trying the plaintext password?
[03:42] <tomreyn> alkisg: right, i just didn't remember shim had its separate package
[03:43] <alkisg> 👍️
[03:43] <tomreyn> frickenate: if your client prefers to do that, yes
[03:44] <frickenate> @tomreyn Is it a server-side setting I can set to allow more auth attempts?
[03:44] <tomreyn> another PEBCAK apparently
[03:44] <frickenate> I don't understand how it's rejecting multiple keys, when each key should be matched based on host/IP. This is very confusing.
[03:45] <tomreyn> there's an sshd_config(5) man page, and MaxAuthTries
[03:45] <frickenate> I suspect this is a limitation of gnuppg.
[03:45] <frickenate> Checking¬
[03:45] <tomreyn> what is gnuppg?
[03:46] <frickenate> gnupg*
[03:46] <tomreyn> how's that related to ssh authentication?
[03:46] <frickenate> gnupg has its own replacement for ssh-agent.
[03:47] <tomreyn> still? i was thinking this was phased out
[03:47] <frickenate> So I have a ~/.gnupg/sshcontrol file that contains hashes for ssh public keys.
[03:47] <frickenate> And apparently having 26 keys listed is "too many".
[03:48] <tomreyn> so fix your client and blame its user, not ubuntu.
[03:48] <technoturnovers> alright, I checked, and I do have the signed grub package installed
[03:49] <technoturnovers> lemme check my EFI partition again to make sure nothing's screwy
[03:49] <frickenate> @tomreyn Apparently MaxAuthTries is the culprit… what a fkn joke.
[03:50] <tomreyn> technoturnovers: so you have "shim-signed" and "grub-efi-amd64-signed" installed?
[03:50] <technoturnovers> yep
[03:50] <frickenate> I know that typically a client should have a single key for all remote servers…
[03:50] <technoturnovers> also, I do have mmx64.efi, so if there were some signing issue, it should be kicking me to mokmanager
[03:50] <frickenate> But apparently having multiple keys is a DDOS threat. FML.
[03:51] <alkisg> technoturnovers: pastebin the output of `find /boot/efi -ls`...
[03:53] <technoturnovers> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/x5fyXxBTB6/
[03:53] <technoturnovers> ignore all the microsoft crap
[03:54] <tomreyn> technoturnovers: the ubuntu part looks good, i'd say.
[03:54] <technoturnovers> yep, which just puzzles me further
[03:54] <tomreyn> so it'll be a different issue
[03:54] <tomreyn> nvidia proprietary drivers?
[03:55] <technoturnovers> this has been an issue since before the nvidia drivers, and also, nvidia doesn't get a chance to load during GRUB
[03:55] <technoturnovers> because grub does not even seem to load
[03:55] <tomreyn> oh, how do you know?
[03:55] <tomreyn> you tried hitting escape then?
[03:55] <technoturnovers> because I was able to get the grub menu open without secureboot, but not with secureboot
[03:56] <tomreyn> hmm ok
[03:56] <technoturnovers> this is unrelated, but the kubuntu installer actually nuked my EFI parition before I gave it permission
[03:56] <tomreyn> and you really want "secure boot" to work, i assume?
[03:57] <alkisg> technoturnovers: and the output of this? dpkg -l shim; ls -l /usr/lib/shim/shimx64.efi
[03:57] <technoturnovers> tomreyn: I plan on using windows 11 when it comes out, and that requires secure boot, also windows 10 bitlocker is really finnicky when you have secure boot disabled
[03:58] <tomreyn> technoturnovers: well, i can only recommend against multi boot setups, but it's entirely your choice to make. and this setup should be possible.
[03:59] <technoturnovers> alkisg: shim-signed is installed
[03:59] <technoturnovers> shimx64.efi is present
[04:00] <alkisg> technoturnovers: I want to see the version, because your shimx64.efi is rather small
[04:00] <technoturnovers> 1.50+15.4-0ubuntu7
[04:00] <technoturnovers> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 946070 Jul 16 07:18 /usr/lib/shim/shimx64.efi
[04:00] <alkisg> And the output of the second command, the ls?
[04:01] <technoturnovers> I just want to point out, if my shim were corrupt, then ubuntu wouldn't be booting period, secureboot or not
[04:02] <alkisg> I can't find what that "1.50" in front is: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=shim
[04:02] <alkisg> Is this hirsute?
[04:02] <technoturnovers> well for one, this is shim-signed, not shim
[04:03] <technoturnovers> this is uhhhhhhhh
[04:03] <technoturnovers> 21.04
[04:03] <technoturnovers> https://packages.ubuntu.com/hirsute-updates/shim-signed
[04:03] <technoturnovers> tada
[04:03] <technoturnovers> there's the 1.50
[04:03] <alkisg> I did ask for the shim version though... as it's what ships that file
[04:04] <technoturnovers> well, there's the exact package I'm using
[04:04] <alkisg> OK, checking
[04:04] <frickenate> Ok, so I worked around the issue that prevented me from authenticating to ftps on Ubuntu… but now it's readonly and doesn't allow writes/updates? The standard home directory permissions are fine… so why can't I upload?
[04:04] <frickenate> ftp*, not ftps.
[04:07] <tomreyn> what's the command you're running, what's the error messgae it's returning, what's the server logging about it, what's the ls -l on the target users' home and destination (or the write) directory?
[04:08] <alkisg> technoturnovers: it look ok (strange that it got very smaller in size after my 20.04); what's the output of `efibootmg -v`?
[04:08] <alkisg> technoturnovers: I'm starting to suspect some issue in shim, for example it might hang while trying to evaluate your keys; maybe it would make sense to try resetting the keys in uefi settings
[04:09] <technoturnovers> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y32Ds84zqr/
[04:10] <alkisg> technoturnovers: and when you try to boot ubuntu, you press f12 to select ubuntu (as windows is first), and you remove the usb stick (in case it confuses shim)?
[04:11] <technoturnovers> hmmm.... so I would delete all of my shim keys with mokutil, when reimport the canonical cert with mokmanager?
[04:11] <alkisg> technoturnovers: shim is signed with the microsoft key
[04:11] <alkisg> You don't need to import anything for shim or grub
[04:11] <alkisg> If you're using dkms drivers, THEN you'd need the canonical key to be able to load them
[04:11] <technoturnovers> shim evals grub with its own keys
[04:11] <alkisg> AFAIK nvidia is signed with canonical keys?
[04:12] <alkisg> shim has the canonical keys integrated
[04:12] <technoturnovers> no it doesn't, the canonical key is stored in NVRAM
[04:12] <technoturnovers> you can see if you check mokutil
[04:12] <technoturnovers> that's how shim works
[04:13] <alkisg> And then we are we able to boot live cds/usbs in new pcs?
[04:13] <alkisg> *why
[04:13] <alkisg> # mokutil --list-enrolled
[04:13] <alkisg> MokListRT is empty
[04:13] <alkisg> No mok keys are needed to boot ubuntu
[04:14] <technoturnovers> well I have the canonical keys in my mokutil
[04:14] <alkisg> Yes, and I'm saying "try to delete them in case they cause issues"
[04:14] <alkisg> It's possible that ubuntu-drivers or something, detected your nvidia, and put them
[04:15] <technoturnovers> I gotta do this tomorrow, I have to go to bed rn
[04:15] <alkisg> At some point nvidia drivers switched from "dkms compiled" to " ubuntu compiled". Maybe at that point, ubuntu started putting its keys in mok somehow
[04:15] <alkisg> Sure, cheers
[04:15] <technoturnovers> i'll try that
[04:29] <alkisg> technoturnovers (if he reads logs, or if anyone will notify him when he comes back):
[04:29] <alkisg> another simple test for you would be "burn ubuntu.iso and try to boot it with secure boot enabled"
[04:30] <alkisg> If that works, then you should fix your hard disk installation; if not, you could either fix it from the firmware, or it's a shim bug and it can't be quickly fixed
[05:24] <Abrax> hey metamorphosis
[05:38] <abraham> How can I get WhatApp on Ubuntu
[05:48] <mikeeq_> Hello, I'm having trouble running ubuntu on my computer. It only runs in compatibility/recovery mode (live image or installed).
[05:48] <mikeeq_> If i boot it normally, it very soon locks up completely, and I have to power cycle it. alt+sysq+reisub doesn't even do anything.
[05:49] <alkisg> mikeeq_: which graphics card/drivers do you have?
[05:50] <mikeeq_> alkisg: I don't have a gfx card. It is an intel NUC from a noname brand.
[05:50] <alkisg> mikeeq_: are you booted in compatibility mode now?
[05:51] <mikeeq_> well, I installed in compatibility mode, and now that it's installed i'm booted from the recovery option in grub.
[05:51] <mikeeq_> I guess that 's the same thing
[05:51] <alkisg> OK. What's the output of this command? lspci -nn -k | grep -A3 VGA
[05:52] <mikeeq_> alkisg: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Skylake GT2 [HD Graphics 520] [8086:1916] (rev 07)
[05:52] <mikeeq_>         DeviceName:  Onboard IGD
[05:52] <mikeeq_>         Subsystem: Intel Corporation Skylake GT2 [HD Graphics 520] [8086:2212]
[05:52] <mikeeq_>         Kernel modules: i915
[05:52] <alkisg> mikeeq_: now that you're booted in compatibility mode, did you load graphics, xorg, a desktop environment?
[05:53] <mikeeq_> alkisg: yes, I'm in the desktop now.
[05:53] <alkisg> Or are you in terminal mode?
[05:54] <mikeeq_> but everything is huge resolution
[05:54] <mikeeq_> if i boot normally, it looks good, but locks up after a couple seconds
[05:54] <alkisg> What's the output of this?  xrandr | nc termbin.com 9999
[05:55] <mikeeq_> alkisg: xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[05:55] <mikeeq_> https://termbin.com/do1b
[05:56] <alkisg> OK so the problem probably is your graphics drivers; when they're loaded, the hang up your system somehow
[05:56] <alkisg> One thing that you could do would be to change your kernel
[05:56] <alkisg> What's your current kernel? uname -a
[05:57] <mikeeq_> alkisg: Linux mike-office 5.11.0-25-generic #27-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 9 23:06:29 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[05:57] <alkisg> Ah, are you on ubuntu 21.04?
[05:58] <mikeeq_> alkisg: yes, techinically lubuntu, but I went through the same problems on vanilla ubuntu yesterday.
[05:59] <alkisg> So, ubuntu 21.04 has kernel=5.11, while 20.04.1 has kernel=5.4, and 20.04.2 has kernel=5.8
[05:59] <alkisg> I would suggest that you try with a live cd of 20.04.1 or 20.04.2
[05:59] <alkisg> If it works there, then you can downgrade your kernel even in 21.04 if you wish
[06:00] <mikeeq_> alkisg: ok. I am pretty sure I had it working normally a few years ago. just dusted it off yesterday.
[06:00] <mikeeq_> alkisg: i guess I thought it was hard or not possible to downgrade kernels.
[06:05] <Bashing-om> !hwe | mikeeq_
[06:06] <mikeeq_> ok, I'm downloading an older LTS version
[06:06] <alkisg> mikeeq_: 20.04 is the latest lts btw, while 21.04 isn't an lts edition
[06:06] <usr123> Hello, I'm using linux mint. How do I install Monaco for my terminal?
[06:07] <usr123> I tried placing the ttf in my ~/.fonts directory. I also tried the solution mentioned here: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=278440. Both of those don't seem to work. In the terminal I don't see Monaco listed in the Custom font dropdown.
[06:07] <mikeeq_> alkisg: ah yes, I understand. thanks for your help :)
[06:07] <usr123> Surprisingly, I'm able to use Monaco in hexchat.
[06:07] <Bashing-om> !mint | usr123
[06:08] <usr123> Well, how would I do that in ubuntu?
[06:14] <Bashing-om> usr123: See: ' apt show ttf-mscorefonts-installer '.
[06:15] <Guest8227> Hi.
[06:16] <Guest8227> I was just kicked and banned from #linux because I identified myself as being a black male. They made a lot of racist comments. Will you guys treat me equitably?
[06:17] <Guest8227> Hello?
[06:18] <Guest8227> are you guys honestly ignoring me because I’m BIPOC?
[06:18] <alkisg> Guest8227: noone is racist, but this channel is for ubuntu support, not moral support
[06:18] <alkisg> If you have an ubunt support question, ask it, you don't need to chat about races here
[06:19] <Guest8227> No need to chat about race? Wow! Just wow! You’re using violence against me and you don’t even know me.
[06:20] <alkisg> Channels have topics. Linux users come here to discuss linux. Go to facebook for the kind of chat you're looking for
[06:21] <alkisg> Read the /topic, there are guidelines and rules for each channel
[06:21] <Guest8227> I do have a question ubuntu question though. I’m trying to install a package. I type: sudo apt install Firefox but it says: # niggers can’t be in the sudoers file. I mean wow. How more racist is Linux now?
[06:21] <alkisg> 👍️
[06:47] <buntufan> hi
[06:47] <buntufan> after a couple of years freshly installing kubuntu
[06:48] <buntufan> and would like to know if this partition scheme is OK
[06:48] <buntufan> 1GB /boot/efi
[06:48] <buntufan> 30 GB / with ext4
[06:48] <buntufan> rest /home with ext4
[06:48] <buntufan> and swap as much as ram
[06:48] <buntufan> is this OK?
[06:49] <alkisg> It depends on how many programs you're going to install. Maybe go for 50 GB if you'll install too many; otherwise it sounds fine.
[06:49] <alkisg> How big is your disk?
[06:50] <alkisg> A normal installation is around 10 GB. Ah also is it SSD or HDD?
[06:50] <buntufan> 256 ssd
[06:50] <buntufan> alkisg
[06:51] <buntufan> not too many, just some for data analysis and SEO
[06:57] <noufal> Hi
[06:57] <runvnc_> whats up noufal
[06:57] <noufal> Touch pad option is not available in linux mint 20.1 ulyssa
[06:57] <noufal> runvnc can you please help me t
[06:59] <runvnc_> they might kick you out since you mentioned its mint. I am honestly not an expert but the touch pad on a laptop should automatically be detected
[07:00] <noufal> okay
[07:00] <runvnc_> I mean they might kick you out. maybe that was an overstatement
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> runvnc_: we have a !mint factoid to forward users
[07:04] <runvnc_> right guess I should have just said they would send you to another channel
[07:21] <rencell> hi
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> welcome rencell
[07:56] <psycomic> what will happen with gnome 40? Is it going to be the new default desktop environment in new Ubuntu releases?
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> psycomic: seems like ubuntu 21.10 has gnome-shell (40.2-1ubuntu1, impish
[08:01] <psycomic> lotuspsychje: i'm worried about this. I don't want a major UI change again. It as already weird enough to go from unity to gnome 3 (i liked unity), i don't want to relearn everything again
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> psycomic: well evolution we cant stop, so every ubuntu release we will notice changes
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> psycomic: a good idea is helping the community yourself and help test & debug/wishlist the features you want to see on early devel releases
[08:05] <TJ-> psycomic: don't forget the other flavours like kubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu, mate et al that aim to not change the desktop
[08:06] <psycomic> TJ-: if it's too bad, i'll probably switch to mate. But i like gnome for now and it just works
[08:07] <psycomic> lotuspsychje: The latest dev release is using gnome 40? Where can I get it?
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> !next | psycomic
[08:08] <psycomic> thanks! i'll fire up a VM and see for myself
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> psycomic: and side note, unity desktop can also still be installed ontop ubuntu
[08:15]  * enyc meows
[09:28] <LordChaos> Hi, when I pass additional flags to an application and start the app from the launcher all is fine; the application starts with these additional flags. However, when started from the dock the app is started with it's default settings. Is this a bug?
[09:29] <LordChaos> I'm on Ubuntu 21.10 (wayland) for the moment in case you're wondering.
[09:29] <LordChaos> I meant 21.04
[09:53] <LordChaos> So both in /usr/share/applications/brave-browser.desktop and /home/username/.local/share/applications/brave-browser.desktop I have additional flags on the first exec line. When launched using the launcher, this works fine. When launched from the dock it doesn't work. What's going on here?
[10:07] <Nokaji> Hi, If I add a bluetooth usb v5.0 to ubuntu 21.04, do I need to disable the inbuilt bluetooth v4.1? - this is on a Dell Inspiron laptop
[11:08] <TJ-> No, you'll just have 2 host controllers
[11:31] <sammygee1> Hello all! my computer doesnt fall asleep correctly. If i leave it open to suspend....sometimes it wont wkae up from it, closing the lid will keep the computer running. I could not find any additional drivers for my machine, am i out of luck?
[11:32] <sammygee1> HP ENVY x360 Laptop - 13-ay0008ca - Ubuntu 21.04
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> sammygee1: perhaps share your dmesg and/or journal logs to the channel in a pastebin so volunteers can debug and think along with you
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> sammygee1: sudo lshw -C video , if you suspect its graphics card related
[11:33] <sammygee1> lotuspsychje sure can! one moment :)
[11:35] <sammygee1> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qR5ZT22pJy/
[11:35] <sammygee1> dont think its video related
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> sammygee1: did you install any special drivers or so, im seeing this system76_acpi: module verification failed: signature and/or required key missing - tainting kernel
[11:39] <sammygee1> not that im aware, could be because its PopOS
[11:39] <sammygee1> but it seems to also happen in fresh ubuntu, maybe that could be the issue?
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> ah for popos there's a different channel support sammygee1 we can only support the official ubuntu flavours
[11:40] <sammygee1> hmm okay, il do a fresh ubuntu install nonetheless as if its affecting baseline ubuntu, then it might be best for me to do a fresh install
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> sammygee1: you could try install a vanilla ubuntu 21.04 see if you get the same issue
[11:40] <sammygee1> Yup gonna do that and come back with more news
[11:40] <sammygee1> THank you!
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> sammygee1: looking at your dmesg, seems like some mixed errors amdgpu and acpi
[11:40] <sammygee1> YEah i have an AMD GPU :/
[11:41] <sammygee1> Im not sure if theres any additional drivers needed, i dont see any that ubuntu are proposing
[11:41] <sammygee1> thus why im not sure
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> so fresh install real quick and come back to us
[11:41] <sammygee1> Will do! Thank you!
[11:41] <sammygee1> lotuspsychje Would you recommend LTS or 21.04?
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> sammygee1: the users choice really, what you want yourself
[11:42] <sammygee1> hmm okay, Alright il be back in a bit
[11:42] <sammygee1> Thanks again
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> o/
[11:56] <davegarath> Hi all. I have a problem with my ubuntu 20.04 on my laptop: with new kernel won't boot. At the beginning it's stuck at "Press ctrl-c to skip fsck", but I put fsck.mode=skip but it still stuck. With kernel 5.8.0-63-generic all works fine. But I can't boot with 5.8.0-22-generic or 5.8.025-generic
[11:56] <davegarath> Someone can help me to understand where look for this problem ?
[11:59] <davegarath> sorry I was typo in kernel that won't boot: there are: 5.11.0-2[25]-generic
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> davegarath: if your latest kernel boots, why do you still need past kernels to boot?
[11:59] <davegarath> lotuspsychje, I wrote a typo
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> oh my bad
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> davegarath: you got a dmesg on the non booting kernel?
[12:00] <davegarath> kernel that works is 5.8.0-63. The kernel won't boot are 5.8.11
[12:00] <davegarath> no I havent any logs
[12:00] <davegarath> I just see ubuntu logo
[12:00] <davegarath> but it's stuck and don't boot. I can't see any message
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> davegarath: press F1 at boot process to switch to textboot
[12:01] <davegarath> ok I try. give me 2 minutes
[12:03] <davegarath> mmmh I saw services coming up but after 2 seconds now I get black screen
[12:04] <davegarath> Tring to Ctrl-Alt-F{1..6} do nothing. also ESC doesn't help
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> davegarath: what kind of graphics card and you have secureboot enabled?
[12:05] <davegarath> nvidia
[12:06] <davegarath> I'm almost secure I've disabled secure boot before installation
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> davegarath: you got autologin to xorg or wayland?
[12:07] <davegarath> no it ask me to login
[12:07] <davegarath> I should ask me to login but I can't see gdm
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> thats weird indeed
[12:08] <davegarath> An other info: caps-lock seems not work. But I pressed power button and it seems poweroff
[12:09] <alkisg> Is it possible that this kernel is half-installed? Go to the kernel that works and run an apt full-upgrade...
[12:10] <TJ-> Could also me /boot/ has run out of space and the initrd.img files are truncated
[12:10] <davegarath> TJ-, let me see
[12:11] <davegarath> I have 80MB free on /boot
[12:11] <davegarath> I also make a backup copy of kernel that work if upgrade will erase it
[12:13] <davegarath> alkisg, apt full-upgrade whant erase some packages like libnvidia-*
[12:13] <davegarath> but my fear is that this kernel will also break
[12:14] <TJ-> davegarath: can you get to the grub menu at start-up by tapping Esc key repeatedly ?
[12:14] <TJ-> davegarath: if so, you can add some options to the kernel command-line to ensure you can see what is going on, rather than the splash screen
[12:15] <davegarath> TJ-, yes I used to add fsck.mode=skip to my broken kernel
[12:16] <TJ-> davegarath: OK, so do this: remove "splash quiet" add "nosplash debug systemd.log_level=info"
[12:16] <davegarath> Now I'm trying to reinstall linux-image-5.11.0.22-generic to see if something goes wrong
[12:16] <TJ-> davegarath: with those you should see more of what is going on leading up to the hang
[12:16] <davegarath> ok give me 2 min
[12:17] <TJ-> davegarath: you can also get it to drop to a busybox shell in the initialramfs, using "brak=XXXX" where XXXX is one of the values found with "grep -rn maybe_break /usr/initramfs-tools/"
[12:17] <TJ-> davegarath: typo! "break=XXXX"
[12:18] <davegarath> TJ-, ty
[12:18] <davegarath> meanwile I have found an error installing the kernel
[12:18] <TJ-> davegarath: aha!
[12:18] <TJ-> dkms nvidia module build failing ?
[12:19] <davegarath> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SR9v9Zb4xD/
[12:20] <TJ-> davegarath: "Please install the linux-headers-5.11.0-22-generic package,"
[12:21] <TJ-> those are needed to enable building out-of-tree kernel modules
[12:21] <davegarath> I'm installing linux-header now
[12:22] <davegarath> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/w34ycRq4wD/
[12:23] <davegarath> I'm not sure for lines 137-139
[12:23] <davegarath> Is this normal?
[12:28] <TJ-> davegarath: that's fine
[12:29] <TJ-> davegarath: the swap device is used to save hibernation images
[12:29] <davegarath> Ok I try now to reboot to that version
[12:33] <davegarath> TJ-, wow It booted
[12:33] <davegarath> I'll do same thing with the last kernel
[12:34] <davegarath> OH! shit :(, I lost my wifi
[12:34] <davegarath> wtf?
[12:34] <davegarath> iwconfig don'w see the card
[12:35] <TJ-> davegarath: your log showed the module being built "8821ce"
[12:36] <davegarath> I'm rebooting in my working kernel to see what module it use
[12:37] <TJ-> you could just do "lspci -nnk -d ::280"
[12:37] <TJ-> RTL8821CE is most likely the device
[12:37] <TJ-> davegarath: The log showed, in part "/var/lib/dkms/rtl8821ce/v5.5.2_34066.20200325"
[12:38] <davegarath> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Jg4K46s2PM/
[12:39] <TJ-> davegarath: "Kernel driver in use: rtl8821ce"
[12:41] <davegarath> my lsmod | grep 8821 : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QCMMXx9gNT/
[12:41] <davegarath> the module seems to be 8821ce used by cfg80211
[12:41] <TJ-> yes, that is correct.
[12:42] <davegarath> so why other kernel doesn't load it ?
[12:42] <TJ-> So possibly it didn't find firmware. Does the PC have alternate Internet connection?
[12:42] <davegarath> mmm yes I can search an eth cable
[12:43] <TJ-> if so we can look at the kernel log, but you may find some clue with simply "journalctl -k | grep 8821"
[12:45] <davegarath> ok I'm rebooting now
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:51] <davegarath> TJ-, I have no network at all :( It doesn't see eth card too
[12:52] <davegarath> the journalctl -k | grep 8821 show me a lot of Unkwown symbot
[12:53] <jeremy31> Likely the driver source isn't patched for the kernel
[12:53] <davegarath> 8821ce: module verification failed: signature and/or required key missing - tainting kernel
[12:53] <LordChaos> So both in /usr/share/applications/brave-browser.desktop and                          │ argonaut
[12:53] <LordChaos>                       | /home/username/.local/share/applications/brave-browser.desktop I have additional      │ arh
[12:53] <LordChaos>                       | flags on the first exec line. When launched using the launcher, this works fine. When │ arif-ali
[12:53] <LordChaos>                       | launched from the dock it doesn't work. What's going on here?
[12:53] <LordChaos> So both in /usr/share/applications/brave-browser.desktop and                          │ argonaut
[12:53] <LordChaos>                       | /home/username/.local/share/applications/brave-browser.desktop I have additional      │ arh
[12:54] <LordChaos> So both in /usr/share/applications/brave-browser.desktop and /home/username/.local/share/applications/brave-browser.desktop I have additional flags on the first exec line. When launched using the launcher, this works fine. When launched from the dock it doesn't pickup these additional flags. How is startinf an app from the ubuntu dock any different than compared to the launcher?
[12:54] <guiverc> LordChaos, ask your question (try and keep to a single line) & provide a pastebin of your details needed
[12:55] <LordChaos> guiverc: sorry that happened by accident
[12:55] <TJ-> davegarath: looks like SecureBoot is on, but missing symbols points to a driver mismatch. This is the problem when the hardware doesn't have mainline drivers. As you upgrade to newer kernels the out-of-tree module code isn't maintained by the manufacturer so it will no longer build correctly
[12:55] <LordChaos> guiverc: see my question above your reaction
[12:56] <TJ-> LordChaos: does that happen even after a fresh login? Wondering if it has been cached
[12:56] <LordChaos> TJ-: yes, can't get it to work even after a new login
[12:58] <davegarath> TJ-, I'll try to enter in the BIOS and check fore secure boot
[13:00] <LordChaos> Is there any documentation or source code somewhere available on the Ubuntu dock extension?
[13:00] <jeremy31> davegarath: Is the kernel that wifi works in 5.10?
[13:02] <davegarath> TJ-, secure boot is disabled
[13:02] <davegarath> jeremy31, I don'have any 5.10 kernel
[13:03] <jeremy31> davegarath: What is the working kernel?
[13:03] <davegarath> 5.8.0-65
[13:03] <davegarath> wifi works on it
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> LordChaos: is that the brave snap you are using?
[13:07] <jeremy31> davegarath: you might have to download the version of the driver from https://packages.ubuntu.com/impish/all/rtl8821ce-dkms/download as that should be patched for 5.11
[13:07] <Komu> i cloned my laptop(LUKS encrypted partition) to my desktop, now the initramfs-scripts are searching for a the crypted dm, i removed all links to that crypted UUID but i can't help its searching notheless, throuws an error and i have to press C-d to continue
[13:09] <LordChaos> lotuspsychje: no the brave repo version
[13:10] <TJ-> davegarath: looks like there's an in-kernel driver for some of those RTL models now, but it may not correctly support your device, so the workaround is to blacklist the Linux module and still use the DKMS version. In 5.11 do "lspci -nnk -d ::280" and you should be seeing 2 module names listed against "Kernel modules: "
[13:13] <Komu> OK found, how to decompress and inspect it
[13:14] <TJ-> Komu: did you rebuild the initrd.img ?
[13:15] <LordChaos> Is somebody using a chrome-based browser on wayland by any chance?
[13:15] <TJ-> Komu: when there's an entry in /etc/crypttab for the rootfs, cryptsetup-initramfs adds a config and cryptroot support
[13:16] <Komu> TJ-: update-initramfs .... sure, for all kernels, what is the zcat for the ubuntu-compress format? /// found: lz4cat ! XD
[13:17] <TJ-> Komu: "unmkinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-XXXXX /path/to/extract/to"
[13:17] <Komu> cpio -i </boot/initrd.img
[13:17] <Komu> 62 Blocks .... doing: dd if=/boot/initrd.img bs=512 skip=62|lz4cat |cpio -i
[13:17] <Komu> TJ-:  nice XD
[13:17] <TJ-> Komu: initrd.img often has an early microcode image in front so naive tools only extract the micrcode
[13:19] <Komu> TJ-: yea learned that X) that's why i used the skip, should had just installed unmkinitramfs...
[13:19] <TJ-> unmk... is part of initramfs-tools
[13:20] <Komu> ok i have it, now i reboot to see what files are doing the search.... CU and thx
[13:20]  * Komu reboot
[13:21] <davegarath> jeremy31, I've installed the package but I have same problem
[13:21] <goddard> anybody got wayland working with nvidia?
[13:21] <jeremy31> davegarath: any errors in dmesg | grep 8821
[13:23] <goddard> i tested it out
[13:23] <davegarath> jeremy31, same error: module verification failed: signature and/or required key missing - tainting kernel
[13:23] <goddard> but it seems like the blob drivers aren't loading
[13:23] <davegarath> and after that unresolved symbol
[13:23] <jeremy31> davegarath: The unresolved symbol is likely the issue
[13:24] <TJ-> davegarath: looks like there's an in-kernel driver for some of those RTL models now, but it may not correctly support your device, so the workaround is to blacklist the Linux module and still use the DKMS version. In 5.11 do "lspci -nnk -d ::280" and you should be seeing 2 module names listed against "Kernel modules: "
[13:24] <davegarath> TJ-, yes I see 8821ce, rtl8821ce
[13:25] <jeremy31> 8821ce is likely from github
[13:25] <davegarath> trying modprobe these module I get unknow symbol
[13:26] <davegarath> both for them
[13:26] <davegarath> but I don't understand why in my 5.8 works fine and not in 5.11
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> realtek is kernel itchy
[13:27] <TJ-> davegarath: are both those modules DKMS though?
[13:28] <davegarath> ehm sorry TJ- I don't know what is DKMS
[13:28] <TJ-> davegarath: check the install path - it it ends with .../updates/dkms/" - "modinfo <module-name> | head-n1
[13:29] <TJ-> davegarath: DKMS = Dynamic Kernel Module Support
[13:29] <TJ-> davegarath: a standard way to package out-of-kernel modules with a build system
[13:29] <davegarath> TJ-, yes both dkms
[13:30] <TJ-> davegarath: aha, so my theory about one being in-kernel is invalid, you have TWO out-of-kernel modules both of which need their source-code updating to work with later kernels
[13:30] <Komu> TJ-: in the initram-shell(busy-box?) i could `cat /proc/cmdline` ==> has the correct root=UUID=#UUID-NR... i did some handwriting, keywords to grep the initramd QUESTION: Can i access the output of the scripts from initramd after successfull boot?
[13:30] <TJ-> davegarath: I'd have expected you should only have one of those
[13:31]  * Komu find and grep on the decompressed initramd
[13:31] <TJ-> Komu: there is no initialramfs log from the scripts, but 'debug' on the kernel command line enables additional messages sent to the kernel log ring buffer seen by dmesg etc.
[13:32] <TJ-> Komu: remind us: the issue is that you're getting a LUKS passphrase prompt even though the rootfs isn't encrypted?
[13:33] <Komu> TJ-: nono no passw-prompt, just scripts searching for a apearing dm_crypt0 devices
[13:33] <Komu> TJ-: i will find those scripts now.....
[13:34] <TJ-> Komu: OK, so same issue but earlier in the cycle. Those won't be included if you rebuild the initrd.img AND the root-fs/etc/crypttab doesn't have an entry that matches the running root-fs
[13:35] <TJ-> Komu: "update-initramfs -vu -k $(uname -r) | grep crypt"
[13:35] <Komu> TJ-: yea, crypttab is empty, but somehow the old UUID is expected from some scripts
[13:37] <TJ-> Komu: an update-initramfs will not add cryptsetup binaries or ./cryptroot/crypttab
[13:38] <TJ-> Komu: ... unless the current root-fs is LUKS encrypted and/or has an entry in /etc/crypttab
[13:41] <Komu> TJ-: the initramd main/cryptroot/crypttab is also empty: find -type f -iname '*crypt*' -print0 |xargs -0 ls -l
[13:41] <Komu> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root       0 Aug  1 15:09 ./main/cryptroot/crypttab
[13:42] <Komu> TJ-: it's very strange the old crypted UUID is nowhere found: find -type f -print0 |xargs -0 grep -i 'UUID=7e26baf' ==> nothing found
[13:44] <TJ-> Komu: are you sure you're looking at the correct initrd?
[13:45] <TJ-> Komu: e.g. do you have a separate file-system for /boot/ and if so, is it mounted or are you looking at an alternate copy in the root-fs ?
[13:45] <Komu> TJ-: interessting question!
[13:46] <TJ-> Komu: check the grub.cfg for the root device UUID - confirm that matches your current booted config else initrd.img may be being loaded by GRUB from another block device
[13:46] <TJ-> Komu: of course, boot/grub/grub.cfg is on that possibly alternate file-system so you cannot rely on the one you see from the OS!
[13:47] <TJ-> Komu: is this a UEFI boot mode ?
[13:47] <Komu> TJ-:  /dev/disk/by-uuida497fb72-3c93-491f-a639-4c6e0e7fca84 -> ../../sda3 ....... mount |grep sda3
[13:47] <Komu> /dev/sda3 on / type ext4
[13:47] <Komu> TJ-: found it! XD
[13:47] <TJ-> aha!
[13:48] <Komu> TJ-: mount |grep boot ---> /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext4
[13:49] <Komu> TJ-: THX! i think i can handle it from here on!
[13:56] <elray02> hello hello, i'm facing a problem with a wifi connection on ubuntu 20
[13:56] <elray02> i'm connected to the wifi, but i can access to internet
[13:57] <elray02> if i do ping 8.8.8.8 it work fine
[13:57] <elray02> if i do ping google.com i got temporary failure in name resolution
[13:57] <elray02> any hint of what i could do for fix my problem ?
[13:58] <TJ-> elray02: that means your DNS nameserver configuration is incorrect
[13:58] <elray02> the router it self is working fine since i'm using it with other device and i don't have problem
[13:59] <elray02> TJ- for the moment i have set to automatic
[13:59] <TJ-> elray02: so that will obtain it via DHCP for IPv4, and one or both of RA or DHCPv6 for IPv6
[13:59] <Komu> TJ-: No UEFI plain DOS, separate /boot but after grub-mkconfig the UUID of the /-partition is writen there not the UUID of the /boot-partition
[14:00] <TJ-> Komu: so the separate /boot/ isn't currently mounted at /boot/ ? grub-probe figures it all out based on the current mounted devices
[14:00] <elray02> TJ- i have tried to set it manually using 8.8.8.8 but s not solving the problem
[14:01] <TJ-> Komu: did you re-run "update-grub" with the correct file-system mounted at /boot/ ?
[14:01] <Komu> TJ-: is mounted, i remove the /boot/ dir on the root-fs
[14:01] <TJ-> elray02: maybe you've otherwise broken the resolver configuration. What does this show: "ls -l /etc/resolv.conf"
[14:04] <Komu> elray02: you have name resolution-problem, you can access (ping) but you can't resolve names to ip-adresses
[14:04] <elray02> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 aug 1 15:00 /etc/resolv.conf -> /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[14:04] <TJ-> elray02: what does "cat /etc/issue" report ?
[14:05] <elray02> Pop!_os 21.4 \n \l
[14:06] <TJ-> elray02: if this a desktop I'd have expected the 'ls' to report "/run/systemd/resolve/stud-resolv.conf"
[14:06] <TJ-> elray02: this is Ubuntu support not PopOS
[14:06] <TJ-> elray02: that is not an Ubuntu config
[14:07] <elray02> yes i know but since is an ubuntu based i though the problem could be more general, not really linked to the specific distro
[14:08] <TJ-> elray02: if it were Ubuntu they wouldn't need to create their own distribution
[14:09] <elray02> yes true, but very often are more gnome variation skin so i give it a try to find solution that could work also for ubuntu
[14:19] <Komu> TJ-: OK, i'm about to just replace the /-UUID wiht /boot/-UUID in /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but grub-mkconfig should not produce the wrong UUID (== the one of my root-partition) if i have a correct /boot-partition up and running
[14:21] <Komu> TJ-: also strange: i have an updated kernel-image in /boot.bak (former /boot-dir on the /-partition now moved to ...bak)
[14:22] <coconut> elray02, there is support on https://chat.pop-os.org/ for pop!_os.
[14:23] <elray02> ah thanks coconut!
[14:23] <Komu> elray02: somehow you have to educate systemd to use the right DNS
[14:26] <Komu> elray02: sry, if it is ubuntu-like, but popOS could handle the DNS-resolving in different way... so idk
[14:27] <coconut> Komu, i didn't had to do anything for my dns resolution to work on my pop!_os 21.04 install.
[14:27] <coconut> worked out of the box here
[14:29] <Komu> coconut: IMHO, the router tells the OS via DHCP what NS (NameServer) to use, elray02 could also have a broken NS, he could try to use  'host www.news.com 1.1.1.1' to check if he can resolv from other servers, check his DHCP config and so on
[14:33] <coconut> Komu, i have seen more dns complains coming by, dunno how/if they fixed it.
[14:35] <elray02> Komu thanks i will give a try
[14:35] <coconut> elray02, if you're able to fix it from the chat.pop-os.org session, would you please report back here what the fix was?
[14:36] <Komu> elray02: i think your provider-NS isn't broken, b/c you are herre X)  ==> other OSses/computer can resolve names in your home-net
[14:41] <Komu> TJ-: the grub-mkconfig keeps puting out the wrong UUID (the one of my / not my /boot) i'm going through this script now
[14:46] <elray02> coconut yes, for the moment i have reinstalled the os from zero
[14:48] <coconut> elray02, so the wifi problem came from an upgrade?
[14:49] <elray02> yesterday i have reinstalled os from scratch, i made a backup  used the machine for all day
[14:50] <elray02> this morning wake up and i had this
[14:50] <coconut> ok, that's weird
[14:50] <elray02> didn't touch nothing in config
[14:50] <coconut> did you upgrade packages?
[14:50] <elray02> i was just trying to put some music for break fast :D
[14:51] <jeremy31> reboot the router
[14:52] <oerheks> elray02, seen this before, <elray02>	Pop!_os 21.4 \n \l    ???
[14:52] <elray02> jeremy31 but the other machine connected to the router are working normally
[14:53] <elray02> oerheks is a good signal or a bad one ? :D
[14:53] <oerheks> as in the pop_os channel? it is not exactly ubuntu
[14:53] <oerheks> c/as/ask
[14:55] <leftyfb> elray02: please paste the output of this here:  ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:57] <elray02> sorry i don't want to go OT  i will ask to the pop_os channel :D
[14:57] <leftyfb> elray02: good luck. Feel free to install Ubuntu and see if you still have issues and we'll be happy to help
[14:58] <elray02> leftyfb i came from ubuntu 20.04 but i like to expentiment new things :D
[14:59] <leftyfb> elray02: that's fine, highly encouraged. Unfortunately, we cannot be expected to support the hundreds of projects who customize ubuntu in many different ways
[15:01] <Harlin> I need elp
[15:01] <Harlin> and help too.
[15:01] <Harlin> Can I get Ubuntu help?
[15:01] <leftyfb> !ask | Harlin
[15:02] <elray02> leftyfb totally understandable :D
[15:02] <Harlin> Oh I'm not asking to ask a question.
[15:02] <Harlin> I'm asking for Ubuntu help!!!
[15:02] <Harlin> :-D
[15:02] <Harlin> ok .... here goes ...
[15:02] <Harlin> I've had Ubuntu 20.04 installed for some time now
[15:02] <Harlin> and when I do a cat /etc/issue .... I get ....
[15:02] <oerheks> Harlin, easy on the enter, all in one line pleae
[15:03] <oerheks> please
[15:03] <Harlin> SparkyLinux 6 \n \l
[15:03] <Harlin> what in the glibbering glonz is going on here?
[15:03] <oerheks> oh, another fork .. never seen sparkylinux
[15:03] <leftyfb> Harlin: you didn't install ubuntu then. Feel free to ask for support from "Sparkylinux"
[15:03] <Guest6> How can I associate mass storage devices (/dev/sda, /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc) with mount points. Note, I am typing on a phone. The computer running ubuntu has badblocks on /dev/sda. I am trying to figure out what the other devices are being used for
[15:03] <Guest6> .?
[15:03] <Harlin> leftyfb, WRONG!
[15:03] <Harlin> leftyfb, I did install Ubuntu 20.04
[15:04] <Harlin> so what may i ask is afoot here???
[15:04] <leftyfb> Harlin: not wrong. Please seek support from Sparkylinux or download the iso from ubuntu.com
[15:04] <oerheks> Harlin, ask in debian or sparkylinux, it is certainly not based on ubuntu https://sparkylinux.org/
[15:04] <Harlin> Nope ... I did install Ubuntu 20.04 ... what changed my /etc/issue?
[15:04] <oerheks> nothing, you did?
[15:04] <Harlin> come on you guys should know this.
[15:05] <Harlin> oerheks, certainly *I* have screwed up something
[15:05] <leftyfb> Harlin: please stop. Either go download ubuntu from ubuntu.com and reinstall or seek support elsewhere
[15:05] <Harlin> hmm you guys should know this. lol
[15:05] <leftyfb> Harlin: please stop
[15:05] <Harlin> ok fair enough. :-)
[15:06] <oerheks> Guest6, ass them to fstab, and for bad blocks use fsck https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[15:06] <oerheks> c/add
[15:06] <elray02> ahah leftyfb is see that here is really a problem all the different child of ubuntu :D
[15:06] <leftyfb> elray02: Sparkylinux isn't even based on ubuntu
[15:06] <Harlin> I don't even have SparkyLinux installed
[15:06] <leftyfb> elray02: there's also a hint of trolling going on
[15:06] <Harlin> Have never heard of it.
[15:07] <Harlin> What could change someone's /etc/issue?
[15:08] <tomreyn> installing packages from other Linux distros or some PPAs could
[15:08] <Harlin> ok
[15:08] <Harlin> any idea where i might find the offending pointer to a bad PPA?
[15:08] <jeremy31> Harlin: check in terminal>  apt policy base-files
[15:09] <Harlin> At the least I'd like to make sure I don't install a bad package from a wrong repo
[15:09] <Harlin> ah thank you jeremy31
[15:10] <Harlin> jeremy31, the output is here -> https://dpaste.org/mqSB
[15:10] <Harlin> It seems to show a list .... with sparky6 highlighted
[15:10] <Harlin> I have no idea how that happened.
[15:11] <geirha> have you had any ppas enabled that you later disabled?
[15:11] <Harlin> geirha, i don't know.
[15:11] <jeremy31> harlin>  sudo apt install inxi && inxi -r
[15:11] <Guest6> oerheks: okay, fstab shows file system: /dev/mapper/server1--vg-root with mountpoint /. I am fairly confident that the listed filesystem maps to /dev/sda, but is there a way to explicitly list the /dev/sda with the mountpoint?
[15:12] <Harlin> jeremy31, why am i installing these?
[15:12] <TJ-> Guest6: "lsblk /dev/sda"
[15:12] <jeremy31> Harlin: makes is easier to show all the repos you have
[15:12] <Harlin> got you
[15:13] <Harlin> jeremy31, ok done.
[15:13] <jeremy31> Harlin: look through the results to see if any sparky repos/PPAs are listed
[15:14] <Harlin> jeremy31, I do not see any
[15:14] <oerheks> there is no sparky ppa...
[15:14] <Guest6> TJ. Thanks, looks like I have worse problems. I get an IO error when tring to run lsblk. I get the same thing when trying to run findmnt.
[15:14] <oerheks> it is debian based, so we don't know
[15:14] <leftyfb> Harlin: inxi -r | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:15] <Harlin> leftyfb, inxi -r | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:15] <Harlin> https://termbin.com/mlfh
[15:16] <Harlin> See I have this suspicion that if Sparky stays as the top base files repo, I won't get any relevant updates for my actual system.
[15:16] <jeremy31> Harlin: try> sudo apt install --reinstall base-files
[15:16] <leftyfb> Harlin: your base-files package was installed from a .deb manually, not from a repository. Not from one that is still enabled/around anyway.
[15:16] <jeremy31> see if it updates from ubuntu repos
[15:17] <tomreyn> jeremy31: it won't, the installed version is "higher"
[15:17] <Harlin> jeremy31, Reinstallation of base-files is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[15:17] <Harlin> I thik I tried that a few times yesterday
[15:18] <leftyfb> Harlin: sudo apt install base-files=11ubuntu5.3
[15:18] <Harlin> so with the apt-policy thingy, is there a way I can remove the sparky entry or at least unselect it as a default?
[15:18] <leftyfb> Harlin: your base-files package was installed from a .deb manually, not from a repository. Not from one that is still enabled/around anyway.
[15:18] <leftyfb> Harlin: you can also remove it and reinstall it
[15:19] <Harlin> ok leftyfb this one did run though it did say it was down-grading ... I suspect that is what we want right?
[15:19] <leftyfb> yes
[15:19] <tomreyn> Harlin: what's the output of   apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:19] <Harlin> cool
[15:19] <Harlin> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/64fu
[15:20] <leftyfb> Harlin: there's something you're not telling us here. There's no way base-files got manually installed on it's own. How/why did you install it?
[15:20] <Harlin> leftyfb, I'm not saying I haven't done it but it must have been some time ago.
[15:20] <tomreyn> he also got virtualbox 6.1 from debian
[15:20] <Harlin> Maybe when I was installing some alternative desktops to try out but it's been a while.
[15:21] <leftyfb> tomreyn: it would have been in the last 3 or 4 months
[15:21] <Harlin> I don't remember so it's not I'm trying to sneak anything which why tf would I do that?
[15:21] <Harlin> I couldn't care less what anyone thinks :-D
[15:21] <leftyfb> Harlin: stop downloading packages from debian
[15:21] <Harlin> ummm ... ok?
[15:21] <Harlin> lol
[15:21] <leftyfb> or other distros
[15:21] <oerheks> reinstall the real ubuntu
[15:22] <leftyfb> ^ that would be best
[15:22] <Harlin> do you guys like Linux?
[15:22] <Harlin> or like freedom?
[15:22] <tomreyn> Harlin: you definitely need to be more careful about how you install software from third party sources in the futrure. downloading and installing .deb files, is almost always a no-no
[15:22] <leftyfb> Harlin: feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:22] <Harlin> if not, I understand.
[15:22] <oerheks> Harlin, as you don't care ..
[15:22] <Harlin> i don't but i find it weird.
[15:22] <Harlin> why would you tell someone not to modify their system?
[15:22] <Harlin> no matter
[15:23] <Harlin> I thank you guys for helping me out here.
[15:23] <tomreyn> you can modify your system allt he way you want, but don'T expect us to support you then
[15:23] <Harlin> I don't. I just asked.
[15:23] <Harlin> You can always say no.
[15:23] <Harlin> I realize what you do is of your own time. And I do appreciate it.
[15:23] <tomreyn> please point it out that you don't run ubuntu immeditely next time then
[15:23] <Harlin> Well I thought I was running Ubuntu
[15:24] <Harlin> Why would I think I wasn't?
[15:24] <Harlin> no matter. I appreciate you guys' help. I will heed you guys' warning about weird repos.
[15:24] <tomreyn> with this practice of installing random packes from third parties, you will again no longer be running ubuntu pretty soon.
[15:24] <Harlin> tomreyn, I had no idea
[15:24] <tomreyn> ok, that's what we realized, and why we helped, i think
[15:25] <Harlin> cool. Appreciate it much tomreyn
[15:25] <Harlin> and jeremy31 leftyfb oerheks
[15:26] <tomreyn> you need to be aware that any package can run things on your computer as root
[15:26] <tomreyn> if you install third party software from sources you don't know you can trust or is compatible, this can have very bad consequences
[15:28] <oerheks> bad = no support here :-D
[15:29] <Harlin> k, thanks!
[15:30] <gp_> hi
[15:30] <tomreyn> hi gp_
[15:30] <gp_> what is  aboutthis chat all
[15:30] <gp_> what is this chat all about
[15:30] <tomreyn> gp_: if you read the /topic it will tell
[15:30] <Harlin> gp_, about Ubuntu?
[15:31] <gp_> ok
[15:31] <gp_> so we can get help here
[15:31] <gp_> ?
[15:31] <Harlin> if it's about ubuntu gp_
[15:31] <tomreyn> !ubuntu | gp_
[15:31] <oerheks> gp_,  see topic
[15:31] <tomreyn> !support | gp_
[15:32] <gp_> oh yes
[15:32] <gp_> official ubuntu support channel
[15:32] <tomreyn> so, yes, you can get support with non end-of-life Ubuntu releases here
[15:32] <gp_> okk!!!!!!
[15:32] <tomreyn> ...from other volunteers, like yourself
[15:37] <Harlin> tomreyn, if I was to go back into my history what am i looking for to see if bad repos were added?
[15:38] <tomreyn> Harlin: apt policy   and     apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:40] <Harlin> Command line option --installed is not understood in combination with the other options
[15:41] <tomreyn> apt is not apt-get
[15:42] <leftyfb> Harlin: ( zgrep -a base-files /var/log/dpkg* /var/log/apt/* ; ls -lt /var/log/installer ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:42] <Guest25> Hello
[15:43] <Guest25> I have problems creating a hotspot again, last time I did manual process I was in the middle of editing and installing several services and files, but then magically after I installed HostAP and Bridge Utils, a "Hotspot" button appeared on the Destkop Networks widget
[15:43] <Guest25> However, after a week or so, I plug in the same USB Wifi Card back in, there is no button anymore
[15:48] <tomreyn> hi Guest25. which ubuntu release and deskto are you running there?
[15:48] <Guest25> Kubuntu 20.04 LTS
[15:49] <tomreyn> note that there's also #kubuntu
[15:49] <Guest25> ah
[15:49] <tomreyn> In my exoperience, AP mode is difficult to stabilize with external (USB connected) wireless devices
[15:49] <Guest25> I must go there?
[15:50] <tomreyn> any system related questions (i.e. not Desktop/GUI/KDE related) you can ask here.
[15:50] <tomreyn> this is mostly system related
[15:51] <Guest25> The GUI seems very dynamic according to hardware it detects, buttons, menus, elements just disappear or appear, yet in "Connections - System Settings Module" there is a "Configuration" button and it opens a new dialog with hotspot settings,  default is "username-hotspot" ... but I can't find anything how to activate the one that's built in
[15:51] <tomreyn> if you need this to work in a stable manner, i recommend you get a PCI connected wireless chipset which runs with open source drivers and is known to work in AP mode
[15:52] <tomreyn> those questions you just asked are specifically GUI related, your best place for getting help with that is probably #kubuntu
[15:53] <Guest25> I have tried creating  the connection manually, but didn't work, however I inspected the default hotspot connection details and I think I wasn't setting some settings correctly like the IPV4 and the rest, I will try to recreate it manually
[15:54] <tomreyn> in gnome, you can go to settings -> wireless and add a new connection, type AP, and bring that up.
[15:54] <Guest25> Oh okay, tho I have used this exact USB Wifi Stick (Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2870/RT3070 Wireless Adapter) with other linux distros such as Linux Mint and it always worked fine (but the GUI was always so confusing in terms of differentiating what is an outbount and what is an inbound connection)
[15:57] <tomreyn> you can also use the nmcli OR nm-tui tools to set it up, i think
[15:59] <Guest25> I think I managed  to do it, Wifi (Shared) ... IP Method: Shared to other computers  ... it is incredibly dumbed down terminology really making it harder than easier
[16:00] <Guest25> Wifi (Shared) is as if the share part is just some side-issue, that's the main difference, I thought it was completely impossible thinking it's all about "reception", I don't know, I just don't like most GUIs
[16:02] <Guest25> Thanks, I'll look into that as well.
[16:08] <jeremy31> Guest25: there is a GUI available on github called linux wifi hotspot
[16:11] <jeremy31> https://github.com/lakinduakash/linux-wifi-hotspot
[16:13] <GSMarquis> Does Ubuntu do kernel updates between releases?
[16:14] <oerheks> GSMarquis, yes.
[16:15] <oerheks> also there is a spice version for LTS releases, 'livepatch' to hot swap a new kernel
[16:15] <oerheks> !livepatch
[16:16] <Guest25> Interesting thanks jeremy32
[16:19] <jhutchins> They have beenworking on the equivalent of "livepatch" for decades, and it's still not ready for prime time.  It does work - sometimes.
[17:44] <webchat18> GM
[17:44] <webchat18> I am having some issues with my network
[17:44] <webchat18> somehow NetworkManager is not allowing ping
[17:44] <webchat18> any clues
[17:44] <webchat18> I am running 20.04
[17:48] <tomreyn> webchat18: hi, can you pleas euse a pastebin (see topic) to post some command and the output and explain (here) what you expected to see instead?
[17:48] <tomreyn> if it's on the GUI, take screenshots, post to imgur.com and post the url here, and describe the issue the same way.
[17:49] <webchat18> tomreyn, i have set the static config under netplan and performa netplan apply but still no networking working
[17:49] <webchat18> my networking interface is eth0
[17:50] <tomreyn> webchat18: can you share yourt netplan configuration then, on a pastebin?
[17:50] <webchat18> tomreyn, I am unable to pastebin since I am not connected to the network
[17:50] <tomreyn> is this a server, or a system you use with a graphical user interface?
[17:50] <webchat18> Only have drac access tot he box
[17:51] <tomreyn> so server hardware, i guess
[17:51] <webchat18> is there a way to upload a image instead of pastebin snip
[17:51] <tomreyn> you can use a smartphone to take images of what you're seeing via drac, i guess
[17:51] <oerheks> sure it is eth0, not ens33something?
[17:51] <oerheks> eth0 is the old naming, it has changed
[17:52] <webchat18> oerheks, I am sure it is eth0...I have adjusted my grub to old style using net.ifnames=0
[17:52] <webchat18> I checked the config using ethtol to eth0 and can see a link on the interface
[17:52] <oerheks> oke
[17:54] <webchat18> tomreyn, any clues what can be wrong
[17:54] <webchat18> I checked the gateway and is showing fine
[17:54] <oerheks> post a pic of your netplan?
[17:54] <tomreyn> webchat18: still waiting for details here
[17:55] <webchat18> tomreyn: https://pasteboard.co/KdU58MD.jpg
[17:56] <tomreyn> renderer: networkd, that's not network manager
[17:58] <oerheks> good spot; remove renderer: networkd
[17:59] <tomreyn> well, maybe it's better to use networkd rather than NM
[17:59] <tomreyn> especially if this is a server
[17:59] <webchat18> tomreyn, here
[17:59] <webchat18> https://pasteboard.co/KdU6AVT.jpg
[17:59] <oerheks> i would expect networkd when using wireless
[17:59] <tomreyn> it's just that webchat18 originally said they were using NM
[17:59] <oerheks> and why version2 below the last line, are there any more?
[18:00] <webchat18> I tried usintworkg both, still no ne
[18:00] <webchat18> I have 3 interfaces but not using the other 2
[18:00] <webchat18> Only using eth0
[18:00] <tomreyn> "version: 2" is fine, i think
[18:02] <webchat18> when I try pinging gateway I get, host unreachable
[18:03] <tomreyn> oh the "version: 2" at the bottom makes no sense, right
[18:03] <tomreyn> webchat18: ^ remove this
[18:04] <tomreyn> ia there more on this file that you're not showing us, yet?
[18:04] <tomreyn> are there other files in the same directory?
[18:04] <webchat18> nope
[18:04] <webchat18> thats the only file under netplan
[18:05] <webchat18> nothing else is inside the file, thats all the content output via cat
[18:05] <tomreyn> okay, did you remove the extra "version: 2" on the bottom, yet?
[18:05] <webchat18> I did
[18:05] <webchat18> Reloaded netplan again, nothing
[18:05] <tomreyn> run   netplan apply
[18:06] <webchat18> I checked the routing table and it looks fine
[18:06] <tomreyn> what do you mean by "reloaded netplan"?
[18:07] <webchat18> netplan generate && netplan apply
[18:07] <tomreyn> and both ran, and there was no output?
[18:07] <webchat18> no output as per echo $?
[18:08] <webchat18> output is clean thats why I dont get why the networking is not coming online properly
[18:08] <tomreyn> what does networkctl report?
[18:09] <tomreyn> status + list
[18:09] <webchat18> tomreyn, here is the output: https://pasteboard.co/KdUaOPh.jpg
[18:10] <tomreyn> hmm, any idea what may have caused eth1 to get configured?
[18:11] <tomreyn> "networkctl list" output is also needed
[18:11] <webchat18> No sure, in the config as you saw I had it as dhcp
[18:12] <tomreyn> i meant to write: "networkctl status" output is also needed
[18:13] <ledeni> webchat18, if you use wireless should be wlan0
[18:13] <webchat18> https://pasteboard.co/KdUclsp.jpg
[18:13] <webchat18> Nothing wireless, this is pure wire, its a server.
[18:17] <oerheks> ipv6 only?
[18:18] <tomreyn> webchat18: and what do these report?    sudo ping -c3 192.168.99.59    ;   sudo ping -c3 192.168.99.1   ;   sudo ping -c3 192.168.99.20
[18:18] <webchat18> I just disable ipv6, should I reboot?
[18:19] <oerheks> and eth1 surely is managed, not in your screenprint
[18:20] <webchat18> tomreyn, the first one is pinging, the rest is not
[18:25] <webchat18> network came back to life after disabling ipv6
[18:25] <webchat18> Not sure why this is the case I dont have ipv6 in the network
[18:27] <tomreyn> ipv6 networking / routing / addressing is preferred if it seems to be available. it seemed to be available with local ipv6 addresses assigned to the interface.
[18:52] <TJ-> webchat18: you've got link-local addressing on both eth0 and eth1 (IPv4 and IPv6 on eth1)
[19:23] <webchat18> tomreyn, same issue came back after reboot...lost network again
[19:24] <webchat18> at this point I am suspecting the adapter is having issue...perhaps time to switch another adapter or update the firmware/driver on it
[19:24] <TJ-> webchat18: webchat18  how are you determining it has been lost?
[19:25] <webchat18> TJ, I got the network working for some time then decided to reboot just to validate and networking is gone again
[19:25] <TJ-> webchat18: but how are you testing it? ping IPv4 IP address? ping hostname? ping IPv6 address?
[19:26] <webchat18> pinging
[19:27] <TJ-> right, but *what* are you pinging? do you know if it would usually respond (many Internet hosts/gateways will block ICMPv4)
[19:32] <webchat18> TJ, ICMP is open internally
[19:33] <TJ-> I can't help you if you don't answer basic questions
[19:34] <webchat18> TJ, I am trying to ping host internal to the network in the same segment
[19:34] <webchat18> Even the gateway is not returning reply, this worked for a brief period of time then it stop working
[19:35] <kraiskil> I updated my laptop from 16.04 via 18.04 to 20.04, and now it doesn't ask for the disk encryption password at boot. WTF? Where is the password stored?
[19:37] <oerheks> kraiskil, password stored? nowhere i hope,.. unless you stored it yourself somewhere
[19:38] <TJ-> webchat18: OK, and is that IPv4 address or IPv6?
[19:38] <oerheks> I don't believe it suddenly disappears and logs in automaticly
[19:40] <TJ-> webchat18: if IPv4, check what IPv5 addresses are on the interface. e.g. "ip -4 addr show dev eth0". if the interface has a link-local address 169.254.0.0/16 it could be using that as the source address instead of the address you're expecting
[19:40] <TJ-> err, IPv4, not IPv5 :)
[19:41] <TJ-> webchat18: so if there is a link-local address, force the other address with "ping -I a.b.c.d target" (a.b.c.d being the source address to use)
[19:42] <TJ-> webchat18: I assume you've ensured no firewall rules on local system, or on route to target, as well
[19:45] <kraiskil> oerheks, I thought so to, but that's what it did :D
[19:46] <TJ-> kraiskil: you did it via do-release-upgrade ?
[19:46] <kraiskil> TJ-, yea
[19:46] <TJ-> kraiskil: presumably you mean LUKS full disk encrpytion?
[19:47] <kraiskil> Yeah, I believe so
[19:47] <kraiskil> though this is a dell xps with factory-installed ubuntu
[19:47] <TJ-> kraiskil: OK, let's do some debugging then. First check if this file exists, and has an entry for the root file-system: "sudo cat /etc/crypttab"
[19:47] <kraiskil> who knows what dell dit to it :)
[19:49] <TJ-> kraiskil: At what point would the system ask for this password? What would have just been seen on screen, what exactly was the text of the prompt? That will help us determine what was asking for the password
[19:49] <kraiskil> TJ-, it does exist, but has only one entry - cryptswapd1
[19:49] <TJ-> kraiskil: OK, so there is no full disk encryption, so this isn't an encrypted Ubuntu install
[19:50] <TJ-> kraiskil: was the password prompt before or after GRUB boot menu?
[19:50] <kraiskil> I didn't reboot the laptop too often. But it asked for *a* password just before or after grub
[19:50] <kraiskil> so maybe I misunderstood, and that was not an encryption pw, but some grub pw?
[19:51] <TJ-> kraiskil: possibly a GRUB password, or even a BIOS/firmware system password before the bootloader
[19:51] <kraiskil> though I remember being astonished when booting for the first time it asking me to give an encryption passwd, and then saying "please wait - this might take a while".
[19:52] <kraiskil> So I assumed it was encrypting /home at least
[19:52] <ioria> crypttab does not exists at all in a not-encrypted system, afair
[19:52] <kraiskil> ah, df tells me I have a "/home/kraiskil/.Private"
[19:53] <kraiskil> So that sounds like some sort of loopback encryption?
[19:53] <ioria> that's ecryptfs not luks
[19:55] <kraiskil> right. thanks ioria :)
[19:55] <ioria> the only thing i can think of, is cryptsetup-initramfs not installed or not correctly configured
[19:55] <ioria> kraiskil, is cryptsetup-initramfs installed ?
[19:56] <kraiskil> ioria, yup, apt says its installed & automatic
[19:56] <ioria> ok, i'am done here :þ
[19:57] <kraiskil> lol
[19:57] <TJ-> kraiskil: if you've got encrypted $HOME using ecryptfs then right now are you logged in as yourregular user, and can you see your usual files in $HOME or just the .Private .ecryptfs Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop and so on?
[19:58] <kraiskil> TJ-, everything works as normal. I can see all my files in /home. I was just perplexed as I assumed I had full disk encryption her
[19:58] <TJ-> kraiskil: in a properly working ecryptfs configuration you should NOT be asked for the encrypted passphrase since it is sync-ed with your user password.
[19:58] <kraiskil> yeah, that makes sens.
[19:58] <kraiskil> *sense
[19:59] <kraiskil> now I wonder what that red-herring password propmt at boot used to be :)
[19:59] <TJ-> kraiskil: if you were asked for the password previously, that tells us the ecryptfs password and your user password had become de-synced and were different
[20:00] <TJ-> kraiskil: the above usually happens when you manually change your user password with "passwd" rather than the GUI tool (which knows to sync the gnome keyring password with user password). When those are synced the ecryptfs passphrase is also synced
[20:00] <TJ-> kraiskil: so in doing the upgrade, or at some point, you resynced the passwords :)
[20:00] <kraiskil> oh. Good to know :)
[20:00] <kraiskil> heh
[20:00] <TJ-> so it was broken without you knowing and somehow you fixed it :)
[20:01] <kraiskil> yeah, that sounds rather plausible actually
[20:01] <kraiskil> I'm using i3, and can't remember when I last even booted into gnome
[20:01] <kraiskil> so I guess the update started gnome for me for a while to get his sync in place
[20:02] <TJ-> the real encrypted files are actually in /home/.ecryptfs/$USER/.Private. in your $HOME are sym-links to that location. On unlocking ecryptfs is then mounted over $HOME and hides those files
[20:02] <kraiskil> btw, what is the GUI equivalent to passwd?
[20:02] <TJ-> Seahorse, but called something non-obvious in the menus "Security and Keys" or similar
[20:03] <kraiskil> seahorse :D
[20:03] <TJ-> Passwords and Keys" maybe? the program is called 'seahorse'
[20:03] <kraiskil> I would have searched a *long* while before finding that :p
[20:03] <kraiskil> thanks
[20:03] <TJ-> yeah, security through obscurity¬
[20:03] <kraiskil> :p
[20:03] <TJ-> no wonder so many people then use "passwd" and it breaks the sync
[20:04] <kraiskil> it was good enough in 1998, so it's good enough in 2021
[20:04] <kraiskil> and who cares if I need to enter my password at boot
[20:04] <kraiskil> it gives a cozy feeling, after all ;)
[20:13] <optimant> The cozy feeling of knowing your boot and root are plain text and could be backdoored by anyone with physical access for 10 minutes :D
[20:17] <TJ-> The cozy feeling of knowing your headless FDE'd gateway lost power and GRUB is waiting for a passphrase over the serial interface :)
[20:18] <TJ-> ner ner, can't get me ('cos I'm offline!)
[20:20] <optimant> Haha
[20:29] <kraiskil> the cozy feeling of thinking you still understand what is happening with your machine...
[22:04] <hadi57> hi, using ubuntu 18.4 on ssd hd, installed jellyfinn media server, storing files on 4tb sata, today i attached another 1tb sata in order to sync media files between 4TB sata and 1TB sata, rebooted the machine and 4TB disappeared even on bios, rebooted again and appeared, started syncing files between 4TB sta and 1TB sata, it was fine but later to rebooted the machine because it stopped, and 4TB is not appearing any more on even on gparted and bios, but can
[22:04] <hadi57>  see on nemo and nautilus but cant mount, any body can help?
[22:06] <matsaman> hadi57: sounds more like a hardware (or mobo firmware) problem
[22:06] <matsaman> hadi57: reseat all your storage device cables
[22:07] <matsaman> if that doesn't help, see how the 4TB sata performs without the 1TB sata attached again
[22:07] <matsaman> if it only fails when there's a second drive attached, that could tell you something
[22:11] <hadi57> thanks will try now and post
[22:12] <matsaman> if it seems to fail no matter what, make some backups, yesterday
[22:29] <goahead> hi everyone need some help with my ubuntu 2.04
[22:31] <goahead> i had display frezes durring watching video on web or when schrolling pages
[22:33] <goahead> sorry?
[22:34] <jeremy31> goahead: post URL from terminal for> lshw -c video | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:42] <goahead> jeremy31: https://terbin.com/hbd9
[22:42] <goahead> is that correct?
[22:44] <Bashing-om> goahead: Nope - is "hbd9" valid ?
[22:44] <oerheks> termbin.com .. why pasting a wrong url..
[22:45] <jeremy31> https://termbin.com/hbd9
[22:46] <oerheks> GPU is capable, driver is radeon,.. must be something else,
[22:46] <goahead> im on second pc :::  https://termbin.com/hbd9
[22:48] <goahead> is that a problem? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zBN23B5FYZ/
[22:54] <Apachez> 2.04 ?
[22:54] <Apachez> when you login, try using X11 instead of wayland - same problems?
[22:54] <Apachez> also what browser?
[22:54] <Apachez> chrome have some troubleshooting you can apply through chrome://flags that sometimes helps
[22:55] <goahead> chrome but not only on browser vlc too
[22:57] <Apachez> try to logout and in the lower right change from wayland into x11 and login, same issues?
[22:57] <goahead> yes ubuntu 2.04.now i dont know what wayland is about ?
[22:57] <Apachez> 21.04 I hope
[22:57] <Apachez> if you use 2.04 then its time to update ;)
[22:59] <goahead> i will but first to try change wayland cntl +alt+f1 to log out and then?
[23:00] <Apachez> you logout and in the lower right I think there is an icon if you click that you can select X11, wayland etc
[23:00] <Apachez> you select X11 and then login
[23:01] <Apachez> then you can do export to find out what declare -x XDG_SESSION_TYPE="x11"  says
[23:01] <goahead> im on loggin screen cant see something
[23:02] <Apachez> lower right of the screen
[23:04] <goahead> i have the purple scren only see my account in the middle  and upright some quick settings lang sttings wifi sound and power settings
[23:04] <goahead> can i do it on terminal?
[23:05] <Apachez> dont you see that wheel?
[23:05] <goahead> no maybe on newer version
[23:05] <Apachez> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PxjgKyyrO0
[23:06] <Apachez> https://fostips.com/switch-back-xorg-ubuntu-21-04/
[23:06] <Apachez> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/01/ubuntu-21-04-will-use-wayland-by-default
[23:08] <goahead> what de heck!!! why isnt show to me?
[23:08] <goahead> no my friend i dont spot it
[23:11] <goahead> but my terminal says im allready x11
[23:16] <goahead> apachez:what's you're suggestion X11 or Wayland?
[23:26] <goahead> sorry any suggestions for my problem with video playback to fix the issue?
[23:44] <Guest13> I have an old system running ubuntu server. There are badblocks on the drive and I am hoping that I can somehow write off the bad blocks and recover the system. I believe that that the drives are partitioned using LVM. Here is a paste with more details: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dvPvRjftQw/. Is this system recoverable? Should I try to write off
[23:44] <Guest13> the badblocks? If I write off the badblocks then there might be system binaries missing, can ubuntu check for missing files and replace them?
[23:47] <yukiup> fsck?
[23:48] <Guest13> Yah, I believe I can pass badblocks to fsck and try to repair it. If I try that, the drive must not be mounted, is that correct? So I will have to do it from a live disk?
[23:49] <yukiup> i don't remember
[23:49] <Guest13> If I am able to write off the badblocks, will I still need to do a full install of ubuntu, or might I be able to recover.  The system currently boots, so nothing too critical is damaged.
[23:50] <leftyfb> Guest13: I personally do not take a chance with my data. If there are bad blocks, buy a new drive, reinstall and restore from backup. Anything else is begging for more issues
[23:50] <Guest13> Okay, I am going to try it from a live disk. I don't have much to loose at this point.
[23:51] <Guest13> leftyfb, I have all new hardware on order. I am trying to just get by until it arrives.