[01:50] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:16] <ducasse> good morning
[06:18] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn oerheks guiverc https://9to5linux.com/ubuntus-new-desktop-installer-is-now-available-for-public-testing-heres-how-to-test-it
[11:04] <guiverc> thanks, will look
[11:44] <Thaurwylth> Isn't it kind of mysterious and kind of non-mysterious that Firefox updates itself forcibly without input from the user? I mean it updates even though you don't run Apt.
[12:27] <JanC> sounds like you don't use the Ubuntu version of Firefox
[12:34] <ogra> yup, the official deb has the builtin update mechanism disabled
[13:50] <Thaurwylth> What does not using the Ubuntu version mean? I have definitely taken no steps to not use an Ubuntu version. Is it still possible to accidentally have a non-Ubuntu version?
[13:52] <Thaurwylth> This is my package, at least according to Apt: firefox/hirsute-updates,hirsute-security,now 90.0.2+build1-0ubuntu0.21.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
[13:58] <daftykins> grep /var/log/apt/history.log - more than likely an unattended upgrade or something else brought it up - it doesn't update itself 
[14:31] <Thaurwylth> Well, at one point apt list --upgradable showed 'firefox' among the list of packages, then Firefox gave me a 'Has been updated in the background, please restart' prompt, after that Firefox has disappeared on the list after apt update apt list --upgradable.
[14:33] <daftykins> so check the log i mentioned
[14:40] <Thaurwylth> Commandline: /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade
[14:40] <Thaurwylth> Upgrade: firefox:amd64 (90.0+build1-0ubuntu0.21.04.1, 90.0.2+build1-0ubuntu0.21.04.1)
[14:40] <Thaurwylth> Commandline: /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade
[14:40] <Thaurwylth> Upgrade: firefox:amd64 (90.0+build1-0ubuntu0.21.04.1, 90.0.2+build1-0ubuntu0.21.04.1)
[14:40] <Thaurwylth> Woooops.
[14:41] <Thaurwylth> So, next question, what does an unattended upgrade mean?
[14:41] <leftyfb> Thaurwylth: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates
[14:41] <daftykins> it happened and you didn't attend it ;D
[14:44] <Thaurwylth> Hmmmm, that sounds scary. Maybe it's okay in the grand scheme of things that there's such a feature.
[14:49] <daftykins> the good news is, it's Linux - configure it as you prefer
[14:49] <leftyfb> yeah, I hate when my system keeps the most popular outward facing attack vector up to date with security updates
[14:51] <daftykins> that was a really unfortunate tone to add to the convo