[08:30] <guiverc> what package is most applicable for software-boutique (launchpad bug that needs to package change - as I understand it doesn't belong on lp.. but already there)
[08:38] <alkisg> Are you asking "where to report a bug for software-boutique"? I avoid snaps (I purge snapd), but I guess it should be reported upstream at https://github.com/ubuntu-mate/software-boutique
[08:39] <alkisg> In the past, software-boutique was a .deb package, I guess that's why it's on launchpad, for its older versions (pre 16.04)
[08:45] <guiverc> thanks alkisg; switched 1938864 to ubuntu-mate-meta; marked in incomplete anyway
[08:46] <guiverc> I used https://github.com/ubuntu-mate/ubuntu-mate-welcome-legacy/issues though... should I change it?
[08:48] <alkisg> guiverc: I've been seeing some people that try to cleanup launchpad; why is that, are you hired to do it or are volunteering? I mean, IMHO, what should be changed on launchpad is "report ONLY ubuntu-specific bugs on launchpad; not upstream bugs"
[08:48] <alkisg> Now more than 50% of the reported bugs have no maintainers to answer them; and users get frustrated over this
[08:49] <guiverc> i'm not paid anything; volunteer only
[08:51] <alkisg> I think that effort is a bit in vain; the fundamental thing that needs to change on launchpad is to better inform users on when to use it
[08:51] <alkisg> Otherwise you'll be cleaning 100 issues, and 1000 newer ones will come, and 900 of them will never be answered
[08:52] <alkisg> (I've frequently done launchpad cleaning in the past for a few projects, so I'm a bit bitter about it)
[08:53] <guiverc> my response can be read at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-meta/+bug/1938864/comments/2 - i offered the link I said ^ & suggested ubuntu-mate's discourse too
[08:53] <alkisg> Currently when I get an issue, I test in a live cd of another distribution; if it happens there too, it's not ubuntu-specific, so I completely skip launchpad and go upstream
[08:54] <alkisg> guiverc: sure sure your response is fine, I'm just saying that your efforts are a bit in vain, the problem in launchpad isn't that it lacks cleanup volunteers...
[08:56] <guiverc> me; I test (thinking lubuntu) bugs on lubuntu (report on lp), confirm on another box; then test in debian-testing (rarely ahead though for lxqt), opensuse tumbleweed (usually latest), fedora (latest or rawhide) then report upstream too if confirmed on more than one.
[09:03] <alkisg> Right, that's excellent; I think that's what launchpad is missing. Users should be notified NOT to report bugs on lubuntu if they happen in all distributions
[09:04] <alkisg> Because noone will answer them on launchpad (no maintainers there for non-ubuntu projects), and people will get disappointed and will never report bugs again, anywhere
[09:05] <alkisg> So I think the best thing would be to start a discussion on launchpad/soyuz or even the ubuntu community forums about it, so that this notification gets on top of bugs.launchpad.net
[09:05] <alkisg> That would be as useful as cleaning up 100.000 issues! :D
[10:24] <guiverc> alkisg, fyi: Lubuntu uses launchpad for bug tracking; LXQt (upstream) is github, etc but lp is used by lubuntu
[10:32] <alkisg> I mean that all lubuntu bugs that are common with other distributions shouldn't be reported to launchpad, but upstream,
[10:32] <alkisg> For example https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/leafpad/+bugs shouldn't have any bugs as leafpad wasn't specific to lubuntu
[10:36] <alkisg> lubuntu consists of 50000 packages that are common between distributions and shouldn't use launchpad and 50 packages that are specific to lubuntu and should use launchpad
[10:37] <alkisg> I.e. these ones: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=impish&keywords=lubuntu
[22:04] <leandro> what do you think about ubuntu mate? does it work well or do you prefer GNOME
[22:10] <superkuh> I prefer GNOME2 but Ubuntu MATE is pretty close.
[23:59] <bigpod> guiverc: just a note for you software-boutique is in progress of being replaced by v2 of software boutique and should be available by next release