[11:34] <daftykins> good afty gang
[11:34] <MattJ> \o
[11:34] <daftykins> woohoo one replacement pcengines APU4 pfSense machine arrived this morning from LiniTX - my replacement after the first was faulty
[16:08] <m0nkey_> any of you lot got one of these Raspberry Pi 400s?  I was thinking of picking one up to drive my 3D printer and to have a simple computer on my maker desk.
[16:10] <daftykins> no sir, but i think i read they only come in the lower RAM configuration in case that matters 
[16:13] <m0nkey_> they come with 4GB, should be enough.
[16:18] <zxm-pi> i don't have a pi 400 but i do have 2 pi keyboards which are the same type of keyboard sans the pi part. quite nice. the 3 port usb hub built in is very nice
[16:19] <zxm-pi> not a fan of the half size arrow keys or the lack of pgup pgdn home end insert but they are hard to find on small keyboards
[16:20] <m0nkey_> i wouldn't be using it much beyond octoprint, web browsing and youtube. so they keyboard part would be used infrequently enough to be an issue.
[16:22] <m0nkey_> i may also compile the odd bit of arduino code too
[18:10] <knightwise> hey peepz
[18:11] <daftykins> o/
[18:12] <knightwise> playing around with helium linux
[18:12] <knightwise> on an old chromebook :) 
[18:12] <knightwise>  daftykins: do you have any experiences with installing snaps and running them via the command line ? 
[18:12] <daftykins> i don't touch snaps personally!
[18:13] <knightwise> i think i need to figure out a way to add the snaps to my path
[19:52] <waveform> m0nkey_, I can't say I particularly like the pi400's keyboard (I'm more partial to the deafening clack of cherry blues reverberating around the room), but as a machine it surpasses even the pi4 due to the better cooling on the C0 stepping of the SoC, and the stonking huge plate of metal that serves partly as heat-sink and partly as keyboard-stiffener
[19:53] <daftykins> ooh didn't know it got a revision
[19:53] <waveform> m0nkey_, as a further vote of confidence: my 6y/o daughter used one during lock-down to connect (over google meet) to her classroom -- it (just about) handled ~30 hyperactive primary school kids all bouncing around in front of their cameras which genuinely impressed me :)
[19:54] <waveform> (just don't expect to manage chroma-key to change your background to "spaaaace" like one of the kids frequently did!)
[19:55] <waveform> daftykins, yes the CM4 and the 400 both use the C0 stepping of the 2711 which is rather better at thermal management (and a couple of other things) than the SoC in the "regular" pi4
[19:55] <daftykins> :D
[20:22] <m0nkey_> ok, thats good to know. i'll only be using it to manage the 3d printer, program an arduino or two and maybe some youtube/web browsing
[20:26] <m0nkey_> or a just buy a 8gb pi kit
[20:27] <m0nkey_> more ram would be nice, but not a massive requirement
[20:30] <m0nkey_> huh, so you can install regular ubuntu on it too
[20:32] <zxm-pi> loads of oses you can bung on a pi these days.