[08:58] <wonko[m]> Where's the best place going to be to get FFADO support? The mailing list I guess?
[09:07] <sakrecoer[bpist]> Brian Hechinger yes, i would say so. But you can try shoot your question here, i for one use ffado for all my sound production
[09:08] <wonko[m]> I'm just trying to figure out why it can't start the AudioFire4 at 16/3 or 32/3 running the stock 5.11-lowlatency but can running 5.12-liquorix. Other info is it used to be able to just fine on 20.04 with the stock low latency kernel. I was even able to run 16/2 just fine.
[09:14] <sakrecoer[bpist]> Brian Hechinger I take it you are doing this on ubuntustudio since you are here...? did the problem start when you installed 5.12-liquorix? I haven't ran into any such issue, but maybe try boot on Low latency after putting in a blacklist for the alsa firewire suff. That's been the magical solution for basically all my problems. let me find the doc for you...
[09:16] <sakrecoer[bpist]> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/JACK_Audio_Connection_Kit#Firewire
[09:16] <sakrecoer[bpist]> don't forget to delete the blacklist if this isn't your solution Brian Hechinger 
[09:16] <wonko[m]> The problems started when I built the new machine and put 21.04 on it. lower than 64/3 has never worked with the stock studio lowlatency kernel under 21.04.
[09:17] <wonko[m]> I can definitely try that though, sounds like a good idea.
[09:27] <sakrecoer[bpist]> try it, but if it works at 64/3 i doubt this is the issue Brian Hechinger 
[09:27] <sakrecoer[bpist]> does 64/2 work?
[09:27] <sakrecoer[bpist]> or lower, but with 2?
[09:28] <wonko[m]> I've booted back into 5.11-lowlatency to try things
[09:29] <wonko[m]> oh, also I updated the firmware on this thing so that may affect things.
[09:29] <wonko[m]> but, so far 64/2 works
[09:30] <wonko[m]> ok 32/2 is a no go
[09:31] <sakrecoer[bpist]> i've never bothered bellow 256 lol, but let me try and see if i can. I have a fairly fresh install to compare with...
[09:31] <wonko[m]> https://gist.github.com/bhechinger/2778b8ca1b9f7030f2ea1278ed50a1da
[09:31] <wonko[m]> `ERROR: JackAudioDriver::ProcessAsync: read error, stopping...`
[09:31] <wonko[m]> that seems to be the thing I don't get with 64
[09:32] <sakrecoer[bpist]> Brian Hechinger: after upgrading the firmware, did you start ffado and reconfigure it?
[09:32] <wonko[m]> when I googled that I think it was a FFADO error
[09:32] <wonko[m]> start ffado and configure it?
[09:32] <wonko[m]> how so?
[09:33] <sakrecoer[bpist]> FFADO mixer in the desktop menu (given you are on ubuntustudio)
[09:33] <sakrecoer[bpist]> it might need a new ID...
[09:33] <wonko[m]> i started ffado mixer
[09:33] <wonko[m]> then i tried to start jack at 32/2
[09:34] <wonko[m]> and it hung ffado mixer which is no longer updating the window
[09:34] <sakrecoer[bpist]> How are you starting jack?
[09:34] <wonko[m]> Studio Controls
[09:35] <wonko[m]> After stopping jack ffado mixer shows this:
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[09:36] <sakrecoer[bpist]> Ouch... 
[09:36] <wonko[m]> and then after clicking retry it loaded the UI but then stopped responding
[09:36] <sakrecoer[bpist]> Do you have another cable or another port to try with?
[09:36] <wonko[m]> I do, yes
[09:37]  * sakrecoer[bpist] holding thumbs for Brian
[09:37] <wonko[m]> but the fact that it runs fine under liquorix tends to make me believe it's not hardware related
[09:37] <sakrecoer[bpist]> true...
[09:37] <sakrecoer[bpist]> but it could also be a glitchy cable that just happen to be in fine position the times it succeeded
[09:38] <wonko[m]> that's pretty unlikely considering nothing moves when I reboot and it's very consistent in behavior
[09:38] <wonko[m]> i'll switch ports just for fun though, not sure where the other cable is. :)
[09:43] <sakrecoer[bpist]> FFADO mixer is supposed to start even if jack is not running. So i get the sensation something is up with how the firewire stuff is installed with your lowlatency kernel
[09:44] <wonko[m]> it started and worked fine
[09:44] <wonko[m]> until I started jack at 32/2
[09:44] <wonko[m]> then it died
[09:46] <sakrecoer[bpist]> will FFADO start if jack is stopped?
[09:46] <wonko[m]> normally it'll run in either state, yes
[09:46] <wonko[m]> now things are all sorts of screwed up and jack won't start even at 64/2
[09:47] <wonko[m]> going to reboot back into liquorix and try all this again
[09:48] <sakrecoer[bpist]> well... it seems like my firewire isn't working either :/ 
[09:48] <sakrecoer[bpist]> First time i try it since i reinstalled...
[09:50] <sakrecoer[bpist]> But the FFADO mixer works
[09:50] <sakrecoer[bpist]> Just JACK refuses to start
[09:50] <wonko[m]> are you on 21.04?
[09:50] <sakrecoer[bpist]> yes
[09:51] <sakrecoer[bpist]> 5.11.0-25-lowlatency, i take it you too?
[09:51] <wonko[m]> when I'm not booted into liquorix, yes
[09:52] <sakrecoer[bpist]> let me see if the blackllist works for me though... i haven't added it and i think OvenWerks made it so that alsa gets black listed when one choses FFADO Firewire Modules in Studio Controls
[09:54] <wonko[m]> Hmm, I can no longer start at less than 64 even on liquorix. I get: `ERROR: firewire ERR: Could not start streaming threads`
[09:54] <wonko[m]> which is at least different. :)
[09:54] <sakrecoer[bpist]> oh wow... that broke my install
[09:55] <wonko[m]> oops. :-D
[09:56] <sakrecoer[bpist]> no it just made my DE very sad... but i've had problems with that since start
[09:57] <sakrecoer[bpist]> i seem to be back in now.. but i have to go eat now so I don't become a hangry monster 👹 brb
[09:58] <wonko[m]> Yeah, I don't know if the new firmware is helping or causing issues. I think I'm going to put 5.7.6 back on it
[10:00] <sakrecoer[bpist]> let me know if that made it
[10:00] <sakrecoer[bpist]> otherwise, try eating also. 😅 for me it has proven to be one of the most effective way to solve my computer issues
[10:02] <wonko[m]> heh, I need to go run errands so I'll eat while out doing that. :-D
[10:03] <wonko[m]> I don't expect the firmware change to make a difference though, the behavior is about the same as it was
[10:41] <sakrecoer[bpist]> still failng to get jack to start at all...
[10:43] <sakrecoer[bpist]> wasn't there a button to access logs in studio control previously?
[10:46] <wonko[m]> maybe? It's all in ~/.log though so easy enough to find. :)
[10:47] <wonko[m]> you probably want the stuff in ~/.log/jack though as that's the actual jack process logs
[11:23] <sakrecoer[bpist]> i don't know what i did, but it seems the typical insanity technique worked: doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different result AND getting different result...
[11:24] <sakrecoer[bpist]> now let's see how low i can get on the buffer size. Currently 256
[11:24] <sakrecoer[bpist]> 16/2 working. I haven't started any applications though...
[11:32] <sakrecoer[bpist]> 99.9% DSP lol... quite noisey too for some reason...
[11:33] <sakrecoer[bpist]> well probably because 99.9 😅 at 128 it's all good
[11:39] <wonko[m]> I guess I'm just going to be ok with 64/2. :-D
[11:39] <wonko[m]> I should find another drive to install 20.04 on and see if I can still run 16/2 on there
[11:40] <wonko[m]> I don't see how it would matter, but other than the FW card and AudioFire4 the rest of this machine is completely different.
[11:43] <wonko[m]> ok, this is silly
[11:43] <wonko[m]> I powered the machine completely off
[11:43] <wonko[m]> booted it back up
[11:43] <wonko[m]> and now I can run 32/3 under liquorix again
[11:47] <wonko[m]> 32/2 doesn't work
[11:49] <wonko[m]> 16/3 does, 16/2 doesn't
[11:55] <wonko[m]> 40% DSP to run 16/3 though
[11:55] <wonko[m]> and xruns are definitely going to be an issue
[11:55] <wonko[m]> 64/3 it is. :-D
[12:03] <wonko[m]> At least until I can get threadirqs sorted on liquorix