[00:00]  * tomreyn crawls under sofa
[00:01] <SnoopJ> the yellow warnings are lovely in the rainy twilight
[00:02] <SnoopJ> 25% or so, it looks like it's handling the libraries well enough (including libboost which is a crucial part of day-job stack, yikes)
[00:03] <SnoopJ> Might explain some boost weirdness I've been seeing...This little gremlin's been living in my system for some time, apparently. What in the world did I do to this poor machine.
[00:03]  * SnoopJ slaps tower
[00:03] <SnoopJ> this baby can fit so much pathological config in it
[00:20] <SnoopJ> tomreyn, hello from GNOME-land! If any pieces fell off the airplane, I haven't noticed them yet.
[00:20] <LjL> wait until landing
[00:24] <tomreyn> SnoopJ: i appreciate the news that earlier reports of your system's early decease have been greatly exaggerated
[00:25] <SnoopJ> "Entropy always comes for its due, and that's what even lobsters must accept."
[00:26] <SnoopJ> Some great bug reports popping up about things that were awry when I was starting in on the problem 4 hours ago. I guess a takeaway here is to learn to use journalctl more effectively to drill down past the static.
[00:51] <SnoopJ> hm, it gave me gcc 10.3, but I think I can downgrade from here.
[01:02] <SnoopJ> Ahh, gcc 10.2 may have been how groovy happened in the first place. It's against groovy in that PPA and I suppose I didn't properly say "give me exactly that package and nothing else"
[01:04] <tomreyn> you must have activated this ppa, which is for groovy, as the name says, at some point
[01:05] <tomreyn> but then you also had groovy apt sources for archive.ubuntu.com
[01:05] <SnoopJ> yea, guess I goofed big time and turned on groovy for my whole system while flailing around.
[01:07] <SnoopJ> Is there a way to install exactly this package and its dependencies? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/test/+sourcepub/11732915/+listing-archive-extra
[01:08] <SnoopJ> Only focal in my sources.list now, and only focal in the .list for that PPA (do I want `groovy` for just that PPA's deb, maybe?)
[01:13] <tomreyn> SnoopJ: what's your need / requirement?
[01:14] <SnoopJ> tomreyn, I need gcc-10 from before 10.3, there's a bug in nvidia's CUDA compiler against 10.3
[01:15] <SnoopJ> That groovy package of 10.2 is what I was using before, it seemed to work fine on this system, so I figure the easiest thing to do is install that package again, but not explode my system at the same time if I can avoid that.
[01:15] <tomreyn> you remember i told you that grooy is EOL?
[01:16] <SnoopJ> I am happy to install another package that provides any version of gcc-10 that is not 10.3
[01:18] <tomreyn> there will be some reason why it was SRU'd
[01:18] <SnoopJ> in gcc-10?
[01:18] <tomreyn> GA focal had 10-20200411-0ubuntu1
[01:19] <tomreyn> yes, gcc-10
[01:19] <SnoopJ> yea, I need to check if what part of the release cycle that fits into
[01:19] <SnoopJ> tomreyn, is there some way I can find out why it's a bad idea to install that package? I don't know what an SRU is but I assume it's some policy.
[01:19] <tomreyn> !sru
[01:20] <leftyfb> SnoopJ: sudo apt install gcc-10:10-20200411-0ubuntu1
[01:20] <leftyfb> SnoopJ: though you'll need to pin that so it doesn't get upgraded
[01:20] <SnoopJ> that's pre 10.1 so I was kinda trying to avoid lagging behind my team if I could :(
[01:21] <tomreyn> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/madison.cgi?package=gcc-10
[01:21] <tomreyn> ...lists the versions available in different suites (and releases)
[01:23] <tomreyn> apt changelog gcc-10    should provide information on what changed duriong those updates/upgrades
[01:24] <SnoopJ> tomreyn, is the policy around stable packages applicable to stuff that lives in a keeping-place PPA like that and not on the main line?
[01:24] <SnoopJ> I would've guessed the package doesn't have a focal counterpart because the new thingy was out and groovy is old
[01:25] <tomreyn> SnoopJ: stable release upgrades are a process where, against the default rule of not upgrading packages in ubuntu releases, this can be considered if needed to fix security issues or serious bugs
[01:25] <SnoopJ> my point is that this package _isn't in_ an ubuntu release, it's on a PPA
[01:26] <tomreyn> packages in PPAs can have any version their developers want them to have, can choose to break your system or not, can choose to run malicious commands onyour system as root or not.
[01:26] <SnoopJ> I don't know if PPAs are typically treated in the same fashion, especially one that looks like it's a holding place for whatever packages someone needed for a thing they were doing on such-and-such version.
[01:27] <tomreyn> ideally they'll provide packages and versions which are compatible to the ubuntu release they claim to be built for
[01:29] <SnoopJ> tomreyn, sure, I get that. Let's say that I trust this package since Matthias Klose wrote it, and frankly if he wants to do naughty things to my computer, I've got bigger problems than this package.
[01:30] <tomreyn> if you looked at the changelog (as suggested previously) http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/binary/g/gcc-10/10.3.0-1ubuntu1~20.04/changelog you'd read "SRU: LP: #1930125: Update to the GCC 10.3.0 release."
[01:33] <tomreyn> i'm not sure i'm seeing the explanation of why the SRU was strictly needed - I assume it is FTBFS (fails to build from source), i.e. important other packages would fail to build without gcc 10.3
[01:33] <SnoopJ> It looked to me the last time I had a pass at this like 10.2 just sat in a weird window where it was possible to skip over it entirely for the new LTS.
[01:35] <tomreyn> you could probaby try downgrading to 10.2.1-24, the "GCC 10.3.0 release candidate", if that's not too new for the nvidia stuff
[01:35] <tomreyn> that's if you can still find those packages somewhere
[01:37] <tomreyn> the 10.2.0-1ubuntu1~20.04 packages are at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-10/
[01:38] <SnoopJ> I see that hirsute has some 10.2 packages, too. Perhaps I could install one of those?
[01:38] <SnoopJ> I would have I suppose the same problem where I don't really want anything from the future except gcc and whatever else it needs
[01:39] <tomreyn> why pick packages from a different release if you can just    apt install -t focal gcc-10
[01:40] <tomreyn> or    apt install -t focal gcc-10=10.2.0-1ubuntu1~20.04    if you need to specify the version
[01:40] <SnoopJ> Because that gives me 10.3
[01:40] <SnoopJ> And the second one is "Version ... was not found"
[01:41] <tomreyn> hmm okay maybe it's no longer referred to by the package files
[01:41] <SnoopJ> Seems to me my choices from focal proper are either 10.3 or pre-10.1, there's a big ol' gap
[01:41] <tomreyn> apt policy gcc-10   says what?
[01:41] <SnoopJ> https://bpa.st/A53A
[01:42] <leftyfb> SnoopJ: using that PPA: sudo apt install gcc-10:10.2.0-16ubuntu1.1
[01:42] <leftyfb> that'll give you what you want
[01:43] <sarnold> : ?
[01:43] <leftyfb> sarnold: according to their paste, they've got the ubuntu-toolchain-r/test ppa added and version 10.2.0-16ubuntu1.1 is available
[01:43] <leftyfb> though good luck with dependencies
[01:44] <SnoopJ> leftyfb, none needed, that's an error: https://bpa.st/UGGQ
[01:44] <SnoopJ> I tried with = before, not sure what the difference is between : and = but neither works.
[01:44] <SnoopJ> Which I assume is because the package is for groovy, and my deb against it is for focal.
[01:45] <tomreyn> : indicates architecture, = indicates version
[01:45] <leftyfb> oh right
[01:45] <leftyfb> I think if it's showing up in apt-cache policy then it should be available to install
[01:46] <SnoopJ> hmm, if my deb in that PPA includes groovy, I get unmet dependencies, but maybe I can do that dance since I am already pretty sure those packages are stable on this system.
[01:46] <leftyfb> SnoopJ: please paste the output of sudo apt install gcc-10=10.2.0-16ubuntu1.1
[01:46] <tomreyn> i will give up on this. one possible "solution" is to grab the 20.04 packages off archive.ubuntu.com as i explained above, but you'll need to find them on your own, and verify the downloads.
[01:46] <SnoopJ> leftyfb, https://bpa.st/MVTQ
[01:47] <tomreyn> the real problem is in nvidia lands
[01:47] <leftyfb> SnoopJ: yeah, that's a whole dependency hell. Good luck with that
[01:47] <SnoopJ> tomreyn, yea, that's my new fallback position
[01:47] <SnoopJ> leftyfb, like I said, this compiler bug has already dragged me into a proper LTS from an interim release
[01:48] <sarnold> leftyfb: heh, sorry, I should have used more words :) I thought that the : was for releases, and = was for specific versions
[01:48] <SnoopJ> if I could figure out how to get just the relevant packages from hirsute, I'd feel more comfortable with that. I don't know how apt spells that, though.
[01:48] <SnoopJ> tomreyn, thank you for all your assistance, you have been very patient and helpful and I appreciate that.
[01:48] <leftyfb> SnoopJ: where do you see that hirsute has 10.2?
[01:49] <leftyfb> SnoopJ: according to madison, it doesn't
[01:49] <SnoopJ> leftyfb, maybe they were in it once, but then yanked? I saw that in http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/binary/g/gcc-10/10.3.0-1ubuntu1~20.04/changelog
[01:49] <tomreyn> SnoopJ: you're welcome
[01:49]  * SnoopJ definitely doesn't understand packaging, especially when it comes to policy
[01:53] <SnoopJ> surely there must be a way to install a package (and its deps) from the future, but not expose the entire packaging process to unwanted "upgrades"
[01:53] <SnoopJ> s/packaging/package management/
[01:54] <sarnold> not really
[01:55] <sarnold> that's part of the reason why snap was developed
[01:55] <sarnold> to make it easier to move different parts of the OS at different speeds
[01:57] <tomreyn> so just install the readily available gcc-10.2 snap, make it magiocally work with the other parts of your build environment and you're done! so easy!
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[01:58] <SnoopJ> segfaulting the compiler is enough headache for now, to be sure
[01:58] <SnoopJ> I may just throw my hands up in the air, get the .debs, and let it be local. "This is not a place of honor...no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here"
[03:10] <Guest18> wassup dudes, I think I found a laptop I will buy, again ubuntu should run very well on this one? Acer Nitro 5 AN515-44-R8VF
[03:11] <Guest18> NVIDIA GF GTX 1650 and linux lol
[03:19] <morgans> redshift, sort of works but keepts flashing white. when I invoke it in terminal... which says waiting for intitial location (lists my location) to become available. HELP me stop the flashing. Thanks.
[03:19] <morgans> every 5 secs
[03:21] <ledeni__> morgans, what DE you using ?
[03:36] <morgans> ledeni, the regular one, some tweak on the dock
[03:37] <morgans> has "activities" on the panel but I dearly would like an application tree.
[03:38] <morgans> I have to hard reboot every 2 days because 30 tabs is too many I guess.
[03:38]  * morgans is vanilla
[03:40] <morgans> I would be happy to colorshift it myself, on off, deeper. that's all I would want. It was too bright.' Now I dont know how to trun it off.
[03:40] <tomreyn> why don't you just use nightlight?
[03:42] <morgans> never heard of it. will look it up
[03:43] <morgans> I searched for flux and wnded up with where we came in.
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> morgans: there redshift gtk, nightlight in gnome and a handy firefox addon dark reader you can use or the built-in dark mode of firefox
[03:47]  * morgans skips bitch about the total failure of dark in android
[03:49] <morgans> whoa, I have to install displays.
[03:50] <morgans> displays is a MATE control center.
[03:51] <morgans> The MATE control center contains configuration applets for the MATE desktop, allowing to set accessibility configuration, desktop fonts, keyboard and mouse properties, sound setup, desktop theme and background, user interface properties, screen resolution, and other MATE parameters.
[03:51] <morgans> next time mate. mate fails on my laptop so I forgot about it.
[03:53] <morgans> I installed it, got only something about my monitor which is fine so I closed that. Now am lost. went back to activities, start typeing displays.. doesnt show. very lost.
[03:55] <morgans> activities, installed click displays, launch, nothing but same small monitor preferences window.
[03:55] <morgans> lotuspsychje,  acha??
[03:56] <tomreyn> you said you're on gnome, not mate, why would you use mate's tool?
[03:57] <morgans> I have the entire hard drive ubuntu, is there a way I can shrink everything and repartition so that I can install mate in another partition. I should have partitioned at first but was in a hury and put ubu on the entire disk.
[03:57] <tomreyn> it's possible but also error prone, better install ubuntu mate on a separate disk
[04:07] <morgans> so back it up then repartition
[04:07] <morgans> only one hd
[04:08] <morgans> Or a new computer, $$ solves all, eh
[04:09] <morgans> till I check out more.. thanks
[04:10] <alkisg> morgans, if you're using normal ext4 the risk is tiny
[04:10] <alkisg> gparted can resize ext4 with no problems; then you can install other distributions side-by-side, their installer will even prompt you to do that
[05:11] <pvh_sa> Hello everyone... I have a Bluetooth headset that is connected as an a2dp_sink according to pactl list cards and sound plays fine e.g. in Youtube tabs (in Firefox) but is delayed or non-existent in e.g. my Duolingo tab on the same browser. Any advice?
[05:14] <SnoopJ> I ended up just building my own gcc 10.2 :/ (but at least I configured it in a less going-to-break-my-system way this time around)
[05:55] <guzzlefry> okay so, 20.04 upgrade went mostly smooth. Now I'm wondering how to switch over to the Ubuntu handled VirtualBox stuff. I can't seem to uninstall the third-party one.
[05:57] <alkisg> What's the output of `dpkg -l | grep -i virtualbox` ?
[05:57] <TheBigK> was virtualbox not part of ubuntu 18.04?
[05:58] <guzzlefry> TheBigK: It was, but LTSs tend to keep really old package versions.
[05:58] <alkisg> If I understood correctly, he installed virtualbox.deb from upstream, and he wants to switch to virtualbox from ubuntu
[05:59] <guzzlefry> correct
[05:59] <TheBigK> and thats not the case anymore?
[05:59] <alkisg> Eh, 2020 is more recent than 2018 :)
[05:59] <TheBigK> thats correct... but its not gonna be recent in 2022 :D
[06:00] <guzzlefry> I think it is in this case. Still 6.1 iirc?
[06:00] <alkisg> I'm using the stock one, 6.1.22-dfsg-2~ubuntu1.20.04.1, works fine
[06:00] <guzzlefry> Virtualbox is slow to bump minor versions. So it works out in this case.
[06:02] <TheBigK> guzzlefry: pls pastebin dpkg -l virtualbox* | grep ^ii
[06:02] <alkisg> They made an exception for firefox, to allow frequent updates for security reasons. They should have made some more exceptions, for libreoffice, virtualbox and a few other big programs
[06:02] <TheBigK> alkisg: thats what snap is for
[06:03] <alkisg> TheBigK: snap install virtualbox works?! I doubt it
[06:03] <alkisg> Snap solves a problem that I don't have :D
[06:03] <alkisg> My first command after installing *ubuntu is apt purge snap...
[06:03] <TheBigK> alkisg: thats not the fault of ubuntu. if u dont like the solutions ubuntu gives u, u should switch ;)
[06:03] <guzzlefry> https://dpaste.org/UuPe
[06:04] <guzzlefry> Going to take a guess and say that I was looking for virtualbox-6.0 instead of just virtualbox. :P
[06:04] <alkisg> TheBigK: nah, as part of the community, I have offered thousands of hours to make ubuntu better, so I get to voice my complains while I still keep using it
[06:04] <alkisg> It's not a company effort, it's a community effort
[06:04] <TheBigK> remove that package and install virtualbox-dkms and may be virtualbox-ext-pack and may be also virtualbox-guest-additions-iso virtualbox-6.0
[06:05] <guzzlefry> What's dkms?
[06:05] <TheBigK> alkisg: i dont mind u complaining. thats freedom of speak. but there are tons of solutions for such easy problems
[06:05] <alkisg> apt install virtualbox should pull in virtualbox-dkms etc
[06:05] <TheBigK> i would switch to debian if i would use LTS...
[06:06] <alkisg> I'm using many distributions in many places, each one has its pros/cons
[06:06] <TheBigK> i agree
[06:06] <guzzlefry> hrm, can't resolve ubuntu.com
[06:06] <TheBigK> :D
[06:06] <alkisg> But some solutions are good, others are bad; using dnsmasq for dns was a bad solution, so I criticized it until ubuntu did remove it; sometimes they do hear back from users
[06:07] <alkisg> criticize = file bug reports with arguments and all, I don't mean here in irc
[06:07] <TheBigK> im not using dnsmasq?!
[06:07] <alkisg> You all were, in 16.04
[06:07] <alkisg> It was shipped as part of network-manager dns resolution
[06:07] <alkisg> And it was breaking people that actually wanted to use dnsmasq for their own needs
[06:07] <TheBigK> okay. could be true :)
[06:08] <alkisg> Anyway, that one was solved, and also unity, upstart, bzr etc got better solutions...
[06:08] <TheBigK> im using dnsmasq on my pi... for pihole
[06:08] <alkisg> Hopefully snap will also go away in 5 years; I'll do some patience until then :D
[06:09] <TheBigK> i doubt that this is gonna happen... although i think flatpack is a better choice
[06:09] <alkisg> We had 10+ different package managers in Linux, and the solution they came up with was to introduce 3 more ones
[06:09] <alkisg> (flatpak, snap, appimage etc)
[06:10] <alkisg> How would libreoffice be able to ship upstream packages then, with all that chaos...
[06:10] <alkisg> https://xkcd.com/927/
[06:11] <TheBigK> that was always an issue in Open Source... and at the same time its the solution since usually the best technology wins
[06:12] <TheBigK> a lot of ppl still think init is just fine ... and it is... for its purpose... and i bet a lot of ppl still think lilo is fine ;D
[06:12] <alkisg> True; systemd vs upstart was such a case (upstart was fine, but supported by a smaller company). Let's hope they do the same with package managers at some point before the sun burns out
[06:12] <TheBigK> "smaller company?" ... systemd is a one man project, isnt it? like postfix is
[06:13] <alkisg> systemd = redhat = 5k people, canonical = 500 people
[06:13] <guzzlefry> okay, next step is to find out why jetbrains-toolbox is segfaulting. :P
[06:14] <alkisg> But anyway we went too-offtopic I guess
[06:16] <guzzlefry> going to guess it's something related to Java
[06:20] <guzzlefry> "Problematic frame: C  [iris_dri.so+0xddeb84]"
[06:22] <guzzlefry> Also no video for mpv...
[06:23] <guzzlefry> or VLC :P
[06:26] <alkisg> Graphics driver issues? Did you install any custom drivers in the past?
[06:26] <guzzlefry> I don't think so.
[06:27] <alkisg> Check dmesg
[06:30] <guzzlefry> [ 3512.322195] mpv/vo[62413]: segfault at 24 ip 00007f352f4ccb84 sp 00007f353aa8ab90 error 6 in iris_dri.so[7f352e808000+fa7000]
[06:30] <guzzlefry> Same issue with JetBrains Toolbox. So at least it seems to be a single cause.
[06:33] <guzzlefry> This allows it to work: Exec=env MESA_LOADER_DRIVER_OVERRIDE=i965 /usr/bin/vlc --started-from-file
[06:33] <guzzlefry> suggested here https://askubuntu.com/questions/1254544/vlc-crashes-when-opening-any-file-ubuntu-20-04
[06:34] <guzzlefry> Should I just upgrade to 21.04?
[06:36] <marcoagpinto> guzzlefry: notice that normal releases have a life-cycle of just 9 months I believe
[06:36] <marcoagpinto> that is why I only update every two years (LTS)
[06:38] <guzzlefry> yeah, but there's an impressive lack of information on this issue, other than "LTS kernel is too old"
[06:45] <guzzlefry> wait, I'm a dummy. Had some custom xorg config. Let's see if that fixes it.
[06:53] <guzzlefry> mission accomplished
[07:00] <kylin> list
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> kylin: /list for a channel list on libera
[08:35] <pvh_sa> Hello everyone... I just wanted to report on progress with my bluetooth headset and Ubuntu 20.04. I took quite a journey through pages but ended up with switching to pipewire using these instructions: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1339765/replacing-pulseaudio-with-pipewire-in-ubuntu-20-04 (I had to reboot after installing pipewirk)
[08:36] <pvh_sa> now I have a wider set of profiles available (listed via pactl list cards) and switched to `pactl set-card-profile <CARD ID> headset-head-unit` for delay-free sound
[10:30] <Dme26> Actually I try to open terminal but there is not opening of terminal
[10:42] <Apachez> how can I find out why /usr/bin/gnome-shell is consuming 100% of a single core and dont give up?
[10:42] <Apachez> journalctl -b -f    doesnt give any hints
[11:45] <JayDoubleu> Can ubuntu use HDMI output of integrated GPU while rendering via dedicated GPU card like in windows ?
[11:50] <Apachez> JayDoubleu: how do you mean?
[11:56] <JayDoubleu> Apachez: on windows you can have two graphics. One integrated and one dedicated. It can use HDMI output from integrated graphics while rendering games on dedicated GPU
[11:56] <Apachez> yeah two different outputs
[11:56] <Apachez> same with linux
[11:57] <Apachez> just put your game or whatever on the output you wish
[11:57] <Apachez> it will be like 2 monitors
[11:58] <JayDoubleu> Are you saying that I can use Nvidia GPU without having any hdmi connected to it and game will use it's power but display via Integrated hdmi out ?
[11:59] <JayDoubleu> I want to render game using external GPU without any hdmi connected to it
[12:00] <Apachez> no
[12:00] <Apachez> I doubt you can do that in windows
[12:01] <Apachez> it would mean that your egpu render the iamge and then have to push it through ram to your igpu who then outputs it to its framebuffer
[12:02] <JayDoubleu> I think I need something like prime
[12:02] <JayDoubleu> It works by default like that in windows without any config
[12:03] <JayDoubleu> Yeah, looks like I need something like this prime offload https://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/435.17/README/primerenderoffload.html
[12:05] <Apachez> not really "by default" with that 250 megabyte of driver download :P
[13:19] <waltman> Yesterday I was runnning Matlab over an ssh tunnel. Over night my connection timed out. My Matlab job ended (along with the rest of my ssh session) but I still have 4 icons for it in my gnome dock. There's an option to quit, but nothing happens. Is there any way to get rid of them?
[14:04] <waltman> Alt-F2, then type r. That seems to have reset it.
[15:12] <alguien> is it possible to see a history of notifications?
[15:12] <fikran> hi all. My Raspberry Pi is an armv7l. Is that 64-bit or 32-bit? I am asking for the Raspberry Pi imager.
[15:14] <JoshMulliken> fikran pi 4?
[15:15] <fikran> 3
[15:15] <coz_> fikran, I believe it is 32bit
[15:15] <JoshMulliken> coz_++
[15:15] <fikran> aspberry Pi 3 Model B Rev 1.2
[15:16] <fikran> heh, i have 2 Raspberry Pi 1's
[15:16] <fikran> dunno what to do with them
[15:16] <coz_> play? %)
[15:16] <fikran> what's %) ?
[15:16] <coz_> fikran, that is my smiley face
[15:16] <JoshMulliken> Maybe you can run pihole or something else really light
[15:17] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:18] <coz_> hey BluesKaj
[15:18] <BluesKaj> hi coz_
[15:19]  * coz_ loves seeing old recognizable nicks %)
[15:19] <fikran> i had a book that was called the yellow pages of the internet
[15:19] <fikran> it had a different emoji per page
[15:20] <BluesKaj> emojies...bah :-)
[15:20] <coz_> %)
[15:22] <ledeni> 😅
[15:22] <coz_> lol
[15:24] <coz_> ledeni, DO NOT tell me hoe to use thos o irc, I think I might get kicked from certain channels because I might like them lol
[15:26] <ledeni> coz_, no problem 👍
[15:28] <coz_> ledeni, lol
[15:31] <tomreyn> alguien: click on the date + time, you'll see notifications which have not yet been acknowledged
[16:08] <alguien> tomreyn, i need the ones i've already read
[16:43] <godsgaming39> Hi, does anybody know how to add new user to Ubuntu with the least permission?
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> !chmod | godsgaming39
[16:44] <leftyfb> godsgaming39: yup:  sudo adduser newuser --shell /dev/null
[16:44] <leftyfb> godsgaming39: if you'd like a more serious answer, you're going to have to provide a LOT more information
[16:45] <godsgaming39> ok thanks for your answer it is useful
[16:45] <leftyfb> godsgaming39: it wasn't a serious answer. That gives you a user who can't login
[16:47] <leftyfb> godsgaming39: we could probably limit the user further by setting their home to /dev/null as well and a few other things. But unless this is a course question, this isn't the answer you're looking for
[16:49] <godsgaming39> If we allow the user to login but the user is only able to access the resources using the least privilege. How do i set permission for this case?
[16:50] <leftyfb> godsgaming39: what resources?
[16:50] <leftyfb> godsgaming39: this can get VERY granular. You're going to have to be very specific about your user case
[16:51] <godsgaming39> for example start and stop the server, install update or remove the package
[16:51] <leftyfb> godsgaming39: that's some pretty low level stuff. What stuff don't you want them doing?
[17:05] <webchat52> good day
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> welcome webchat52
[17:08] <webchat52> want to install ubuntu 21 dual boot on laptop, which has 2hd's... the first HD (smallest) i would like to use ONLY for boot, while the second one i would like to have for the files, programs, etc... I've done dual boot already, but only for 1 hd... how to do this for 2?
[17:08] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | webchat52
[17:09] <tomreyn> you may be referring to the Ubuntu 21.04 release?
[17:09] <webchat52> yes, sorry
[17:10] <tomreyn> i haven't used the desktop installer for so long that i don't remember whether it can install across more than one disk. have you tried manual partitioning, yet?
[17:11] <leftyfb> webchat52: the easy way to install ubuntu on the first HDD and then mount the 2nd as /home for your files and settings. If you really only want the 1st for "boot", then you probably want the entire OS on the 1st and then an overlayfs on the 2nd
[17:11] <SnoopJ> for 20.04 it does let you mount things across several disks, but I regret using it, it destroyed data on a partition where it had promised to only touch system root stuff
[17:12] <SnoopJ> (possible that I goofed up, but it was an unwelcome surprise)
[17:12] <leftyfb> SnoopJ: never run any OS installer on any drive you do not have backed up
[17:12] <tomreyn> right, it can install on multiple disks https://i.stack.imgur.com/ZF6tp.png
[17:12] <SnoopJ> leftyfb, it wasn't irrevocably destroyed, but it's kind of a pain in the ass to download several hundred GB of training data again.
[17:13] <sharperguy__> I have an issue import a CA cert file using update-ca-certificates: "Could not parse certificate: java.io.IOException: Illegal footer: - -----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----". I was already able to import this cert using the trust command on an archlinux system, so I'm not sure whats up
[17:13] <webchat52> leftyfb i think this is what i want yes, but also, the second HD should also be divided for my windows use
[17:14] <leftyfb> webchat52: yup, you can deal with that with custom partitioning and then setup either the /home mount or overlayfs after the fact
[17:14] <webchat52> because, at the moment, my first hd is used for winboot only, and the second one for programs, files, etc
[17:14] <tomreyn> sharperguy__: this output seems to suggest you have a space between two hyphons on the BEGIN CERTIFICATE marker
[17:15] <sharperguy__> tomreyn, yes there is, but it looks like thats intended? I was able to use this same crt file on another system
[17:15] <webchat52> so, first just a plain dual boot setup, and then within ubuntu using a program to divide the second HD? But how to know that that partition only uses the empty space?
[17:15] <tomreyn> sharperguy__: can you share the certificate (it's public anyways) on a pastebin?
[17:15] <sharperguy__> ok
[17:16] <tomreyn> i've not seen this before, but maybe i missed something
[17:16] <leftyfb> webchat52: you need to shrink the Windows partition down, create a new partition, format it and then mount it or seup overlayfs to use it
[17:16] <leftyfb> sharperguy__: please confirm that you can still use this cert on the other system and that it hasn't been accidentally modified since
[17:17] <tomreyn> sharperguy__: actually i'd think the leading "- " don't belong there.
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> SnoopJ: could try to photorec your hd, see if you can recover some trainings back
[17:17] <SnoopJ> lotuspsychje, this was several weeks ago.
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> SnoopJ: if photorec cant get it back its surely lost
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> worth a try
[17:18] <SnoopJ> Lesson learned, the installer offers a promise about the partition that is a little stronger than what it delivers
[17:18] <SnoopJ> lotuspsychje, I don't think you understand: I have already recovered the data.
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> kk
[17:18] <tomreyn> sharperguy__: chances are openssl still accepts the certificate in this format, but java's certutil doesn't (which would explain that only the java tool tells you it's an error)
[17:18] <SnoopJ> The fact that I had to recover it in the first place when the installer told me it would only delete things in system directories is...annoying.
[17:19] <SnoopJ> but lot of room for subtle failures there, probably the user (i.e. me) did something silly
[17:19] <sharperguy__> @tomreyn, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/hrwG7qKKHd/ - its because its in a signed message format
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> SnoopJ: its the user thats choosing to install yeah
[17:19] <SnoopJ> lotuspsychje, yes, I have learned my lesson and will not trust the installer for auxilliary partitions again.
[17:20] <tomreyn> sharperguy__: right, makes sense that the signing envelope added the extra "- " now, that's why i asked to see it in context. you'll need to remove the signature first of all.
[17:21] <sharperguy__> tomreyn, i tried deleting the surrounding PGP signed message, leading - and signature and i now get "Could not parse certificate: java.io.IOException: Incomplete data"
[17:21] <tomreyn> sharperguy__: why don't you use openpgp to do the stripping for you?
[17:22] <sharperguy__> tomreyn, not sure what command to use for that?
[17:22] <webchat52> so, before seting up, i should already partition my second hd?
[17:22] <tomreyn> sharperguy__: gpg --decrypt
[17:24] <webchat52> would you be able to recommend a safe (pref open source) partition program?
[17:24] <genii> gparted
[17:25] <sharperguy__> @tomreyn, it seems like the cert was accepted now
[17:26] <sharperguy__> thanks
[17:26] <sharperguy__> i didn't know that gpg --decrypt could also strip a signature
[17:26] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[17:26] <genii> webchat52: https://gparted.org/livecd.php
[17:26] <oerheks> webchat52, use windows to partition your 2nd hdd
[17:27] <oerheks> or use the linux tools, but if you need to ask if they are safe, you missed something i guess
[17:34] <apb1963> Hello.  Just finished a fresh install of 20.04 on a brand new drive.  It doesn't boot.  It does a bunch of startup stuff and then the screen blanks and about every 10 seconds the cursor flashes in the upper left corner.  I couldn't help but notice it installing 5.11
[17:36] <oerheks> fresh 20.04 without linux-hwe-5.11 gives 5.11 ???
[17:38] <SnoopJ> apb1963, if you can access a console (either by ctrl+alt+f1 (or another F-key < F7) or booting into recovery mode), then you can look at `journalctl -b` and see if there are some errors in there, probably related to gdm3/GNOME
[17:39] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux i do not see 5.11 for focal
[17:39] <oerheks> any nvidia driver could cause this, disable secureboot?
[17:43] <apb1963> oerheks, I believe it's using nvidia  How do I disable secureboot?
[17:43] <oerheks> in your bios
[17:43] <apb1963> SnoopJ, can't get console
[17:43] <apb1963> oerheks, I don't think that's an option
[17:44] <oerheks> i still wonder how you get 5.11 ..
[17:44] <oerheks> you must have done something special
[17:44] <oerheks> SnoopJ +1 recovery mode, older kernel
[17:44] <apb1963> oerheks, I don't know.  It downloaded it.
[17:44] <oerheks> 5.8 i guess
[17:44] <apb1963> There is no older kernel, this is a brand new drive.
[17:45] <oerheks> oh,.. you just downloaded it..reverse that kernel then.
[17:45] <leftyfb> HWE for 20.04 is 5.11
[17:45] <oerheks> you always have the old kernel.
[17:45] <ledeni> apb1963, sure should be option to disable secure boot
[17:45] <leftyfb> oerheks: not if they selected HWE during the install. I know it's an option for the server install, not sure about desktop
[17:46] <apb1963> leftyfb, there was no option.  I did nothing special - other than selecting a custom partition config. I allocated 50GB for the root, and made /home a mount point  Then I installed to the new, blank, unformatted drive.
[17:48] <apb1963> On reboot, it went through a ton of things and got to a point where it blanked the screen as described.
[17:48] <apb1963> and gthere it sits, every 10 seconds the cursor appears, blinks once and disappears again.
[17:49] <apb1963> s/gthere/there/
[17:49] <Guest5458> its has problem in browsor[
[17:50] <apb1963> well I will reboot it and see if there's a secureboot option in the BIOS.
[17:51] <apb1963> argh.  For a moment I had a console login
[17:52] <apb1963> got it again.  And then it blanked the screen.
[17:53] <apb1963> It comes & goes too fast to login,
[17:54] <apb1963> ctl-alt-del shows me a bunch of logout stuff
[17:55] <apb1963> Secureboot is and already was disabled.
[17:58] <apb1963> Also, I used an old 20.04 install disk.  20.04.2 I believe.
[17:58] <webchat52> @oerheks what do you mean with "if you need to ask if they are safe, you missed something"?
[17:59] <apb1963> Rebooting live disk/usb.
[18:00] <ledeni> apb1963, did you establish network and set updates during install
[18:01] <apb1963> ledeni, yes
[18:03] <ledeni> apb1963, try without just pure install from usblive
[18:04] <apb1963> I guess I'll do it again and tell it no updates this time.  Although..it seems to be a BIOS issue now.  Very slow too go through BIOS checks and it's basically stuck.
[18:04] <apb1963> s/too/to
[18:07] <apb1963> OK... now I have a grub menu and all the OSes show on other devices - sdb, sdc but no sda which is the new drive,  BIOS sees it and obviously it was seen by the installer.
[18:10] <apb1963> oh well, back to reinstall w/no updates.
[18:12] <apb1963> What does the ittle man and the rectangle next to it mean?
[18:14] <apb1963> livedisk sees sba
[18:17] <apb1963> keeps trying to read my CD/DVD and eventually failing...
[18:19] <apb1963> yeah, it's basically going in circles, slowly.
[18:19] <apb1963> rebooting again
[18:22] <apb1963> I'm starting to think the mamaboard is failing.  It got stuck on the initial opening line ISOLINUX.... finally got to the little man and his rectangle.
[18:22] <apb1963> And now sits there,
[18:22] <apb1963> With the purplish colored background.
[18:25] <apb1963> Sigh,  No joy,  guess I need to build another PC.  ;(
[18:26] <apb1963> Thanks for the suggestions guys.  bbl
[18:30] <Walex> apb1963: for testing etc. I like the GRML live CD/USB thing.
[19:04] <guzzlefry> Any idea why the xfce4-notifyd.service isn't starting automatically?
[19:07] <sarnold> guzzlefry: what does systemctl list-units report about it? systemctl status? journalctl?
[19:17] <guzzlefry> I'm not seeing it in list-units.
[19:17] <guzzlefry> ah, needed the --user switch
[19:17] <guzzlefry> "loaded active running", but i had to manually start it
[19:20] <sarnold> guzzlefry: does anything Want that unit?
[19:23] <guzzlefry> How do I check?
[19:25] <guzzlefry> ah, looks like e4-notifyd.service
[19:26] <sarnold> guzzlefry: I don't know any sure-fire ways to check, but systemd-analyze dot xfce4-notifyd.service   shows Wants relationships in a dot format.. it's not the worst thing to read, but it's also not super-easy
[19:27] <loomy> sup yo
[19:32] <guzzlefry> Is there a good way to remove stuff installed via a metapackage? Seems I have a lot of cruft from trying out different DEs.
[19:33] <sarnold> apt autoremove can help, the 'orphaner' tool from the 'deborphan' package can help clean some things up too
[21:36] <morgans> ubuntu has become unworkable: I cant get to "displays, mate" which I was here advised on how to install last night AND now I have a smaill display box telling me what kind of monitor I have RIGHT OVER THE BACK BUTTON on the chrome window AND alt-backarrow doesnt override it.
[21:36] <morgans> 20.04 vanilla with ubu tweaks till yesterday
[21:39] <morgans> It never did install the mate control center AND I am removing it. (yay I found it with installed software) and I hope that little window goes away. ---> I was registering for someothing and was "almost done" and was going to correct the zip code before completion AND FAIL!
[21:40] <morgans> removed and the text box did not vanish. I suppose it is reboot time again. (every 2 days at least.) Can you see why I could never recommend UBU for anyone but someone who is willing to tweak and tweak the system. It is basically horrible. -- fine for whom?
[21:41] <morgans> This is a Dell for god9dess)'s sake and shoudl just work. how Vanilla can we get?
[21:41] <morgans> killall chrome -9
[21:42] <morgans> you know that just isnt something a user who just does the web should have to do. OK the web plaus cheese. and gedit. and hexchat. and discord.
[22:47] <AsenM> Hello, any way to run 2 rsync in parallel with same source and destination? right now they pretty much both copy the same file :( how can i make it multi threaded?
[22:49] <sarnold> AsenM: I might have something for that..
[22:49] <oerheks> 2 rsync jobs on the same file(s)?
[22:50] <sarnold> AsenM: I got this from someone else a few years ago, never tried it myself.. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bHDBVkWQKh/
[22:50] <leftyfb> AsenM: there's nothing built in AFAIK. Here's some hacks, but I don't think they buy much depending on the directory structure https://stackoverflow.com/questions/24058544/speed-up-rsync-with-simultaneous-concurrent-file-transfers
[22:50] <leftyfb> sarnold: oh, that one looks a lot more sane then the other hacks
[22:51] <sarnold> leftyfb: yeah, I was pretty skeptical of the idea, but it seemed doable
[22:53] <AsenM> thank you i guess i will think of some ways  i have to transfer 220TB :)
[22:53] <sarnold> oof
[22:55] <leftyfb> I've been trying to transfer about 8TB for about a week now
[22:56] <leftyfb> of course I'm using a raspberry pi which keeps running out of memory and locking me out :)
[22:57] <AsenM> i did 3tb in a day
[22:57] <sarnold> that hurts :)
[22:58] <AsenM> not sure if the problem is the internet or something else
[23:00] <leftyfb> yeah, it also doesn't help that the other end is a laptop on wifi and the destination is a usb HDD
[23:00] <Samian> anyone here have prescription glasses with blue light filter? Does it do anything good?
[23:01] <leftyfb> !ot | Samian
[23:01] <oerheks> no blue lights here..
[23:02] <leftyfb> Samian: the answer is yes, something like "gunners" do work, but please take the discussion where more appropriate
[23:02] <leftyfb> Samian: please do not PM
[23:06] <Samian> sorry I didn't know you prefer dcc chat
[23:06] <leftyfb> Samian: #ubuntu-offtopic is a more appropriate place to discuss. This is an ubuntu support channel
[23:26] <Booda> how do you change for the ubuntu gnome login scren from a pinky purple to anything i want?
[23:30] <oerheks> lot of articles online about that, with a lot of typing..
[23:35] <tw3ml0w> thanks for ur help, i have now solved my problem with all ur wisdom