[00:20] <area51pilot> does anyone here admin a spiceworks server on ubuntu
[01:28] <CyL> Hi, is there a particular reason why Ubuntu LTS is supported for 5 years, but Xubuntu LTS is only supported for 3 years?
[01:31] <matsaman> CyL: I can only guess they don't feel they have the power to do 5
[01:31] <matsaman> but also
[01:32] <matsaman> it's hard to imagine what in Xubuntu is not in Ubuntu LTS's plain repos
[01:32] <matsaman> so ... <shrug>
[01:32] <CyL> matsaman: that's what I was also wondering
[01:35] <matsaman> I can only imagine it's the Xubuntu-specific Xfce theming
[01:35] <matsaman> which should be practically nothing
[01:35]  * matsaman shrugs shrugs shrugs
[01:36] <Bashing-om> CyL: Xubuntu: xfce packages have the 3 year support cycle - packages that are in main remain with the 5 year support.
[02:00] <tanja84dk> I have a small issue with my ubuntu 18.04 and unfortunally havnt been able to locate the reason.
[02:03] <tanja84dk> After some update yesterday or today it has started going into black screen if left unatended ( using my tv as a monitor for the laptop with hdmi ) , and the weird thing is that when I look in the power settings it's set to never go to black screen. And the issue have just started within the last two days
[02:11] <TJ-> tanja84dk: that is usually a DPMS (Display Power Management System) function; you'd need to find out if any of the updates changed packages that affect that, including screen-savers/lockers
[02:15] <tanja84dk> TJ- Thank you very much have to look into that, but if they had updated would they then not also change in the settings app/window thats the thing I cant get my head around because the sittings app/window is set to never go to black screen ( did also try to change it and then change back to never with no effect )
[02:17] <tanja84dk> sorry if I reconnected my router automaticly updated
[02:19] <tanja84dk> how do I then list the date and time when aplications and libraries has updated ( o locate the trouble package )
[02:22] <TJ-> tanja84dk: there are system services that also can do DPMS stuff, including login/session handling
[02:22] <TJ-> tanja84dk: see /var/log/apt/history.log for package changes
[02:23] <TJ-> tanja84dk: also, as a test, to determine if this is a per-user issue, or system-wide, create a new user account, login as it, disable the option to blank screen, and wait... and if the monitor doesn't blank you have proved it is a per-user setting in your main user account
[02:25] <tanja84dk> RThen I would rather just reinstall everything then messing up my user and goups id's because that would mess up everything
[02:26] <tanja84dk> And tbh I cant see who Canonible pushes updates there breaks their unity on purpose ike I dont even run a non standard UI
[02:27] <tanja84dk> but I guess they dont test their updates
[02:29] <tanja84dk> but I guess it would be better changing to a prober stable Distro when they even cant keep their own LTS stable
[02:39] <tanja84dk> But I guess Ubuntu has become Windows version 2.0 in their "Stability", "Testing Paches", "Caring of Users". UBUNTU shoulsd never have been sold to them...
[02:40] <tanja84dk> Guess in a year Microsoft bu Ubuntu because its already in stability
[03:03] <Guest7521> is there any guy online?
[03:03] <lotuspsychje> !ask | Guest7521
[03:04] <Guest7521> umm...thank you ubottu
[03:05] <Guest7521> so any guy know how to install minecraft.deb?
[03:06] <Guest7521> thank you if you help me
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> Guest7521: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-minecraft-on-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa-linux
[03:08] <Guest7521> thank you!
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> Guest7521: there's also a minecraft snap if you like
[03:13] <Guest2797> i was guest7521,thank you lotuspsychje!
[03:19] <biscuitbutter[m]> are gtk3 themes incompatible with lxqt?
[03:21] <biscuitbutter[m]>  * are gtk3 themes incompatible with lxqt? I extracted a gtk3 theme to the folder where the lxqt themes are stored, and yet there is not a new option added to the lxqt appearance config window
[03:28] <kevr> http://sprunge.us/pLfdH4 This shows me a big number of packages that can be autoremoved, but I wonder why they are marked that way? I previously installed a package because I wanted an armhf toolchain on my system, and I still want to use it.
[03:28] <kevr> It says that some of them are manually installed, but I don't get how. I did not manually install any of them with dpkg.
[03:33] <coryc257> kevr, it would imply they got pulled in when you installed x then removed x but it's possible it's erroneous
[03:45] <kevr> coryc257: My bad. It is not an error, I just.. apparently removed the main lead package on the group. Sorry for wasting your time.
[04:16] <tgoyen> trying to figure out if I can add https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyside2 to sources.list
[04:16] <tgoyen> it doesn't appear to be a traditional ppa, any advice would be appreciated
[04:20] <tgoyen> nm
[04:22] <Bashing-om> tgoyen: "Staging area for ros-kinetic compatible version of pyside2 and shiboken2" ?? See then: https://launchpad.net/~sidfaber/+archive/ubuntu/pyside2 .
[06:13] <hajonnes> I just installed ubuntu and after some reboots I only get 7 programs in my "show applications" what has happened and how can I show the gui programs that are installed?
[06:14] <hajonnes> by "show applications" I mean when I click the dots forming a square in the lower left corner.
[06:17] <hajonnes> sorted it out.
[07:12] <CoDeAmRo> hey guys
[07:12] <CoDeAmRo> i have a question please
[07:14] <TomyWork> CoDeAmRo, only if you ask it, people will be able to know whether they can answer it
[07:15] <CoDeAmRo> i am using ubuntu 18.4 on lenovo laptop and it has intel hd card (integrated) can i tune in up and increase the vram
[07:16] <CoDeAmRo> some times when i play games it lags
[07:23] <alzgh> you can put both armored and de-armored pub keys in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d and it works, just learned
[07:24] <touchbad> Hello everyone my touchpad isn't detected. What should I do please ?
[07:25] <touchbad> Laptop: HP elitebook 850 g8
[07:25] <TJ-> touchbad: do what I do and thump it ... hard :D
[07:26] <TJ-> touchbad: check kernel log to being with for any warnings or errors: "journalctl -p warning"
[07:33] <touchbad> I can't find anything with touchpad.
[07:38] <touchbad> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8m9Xq5X3wr/
[07:39] <alkisg> touchbad: which kernel version are you using? uname -a
[07:39] <touchbad> 5.4.0-80-generic #90-Ubuntu SMP
[07:40] <alkisg> It's possible that a newer kernel would have support for your touchpad. If you run `sudo apt install linux-generic-hwe-20.04` and reboot, you'll get to kernel 5.11, maybe it'll work  there
[07:41] <alkisg> (or you could test with a latest ubuntu live cd if you don't want to install a newer kernel)
[07:44] <touchbad> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6JG4Dgsz5J/
[07:44] <touchbad> Ok i'll try
[07:48] <touchbad> Still doesn't work
[07:49] <hajonnes> coming form kde-neon I do not get the keyboard layout names in ubuntu. i.e. I want use Eurokey, typing "setxkbmap eu" I can get it but I do not know how to get it in the gui selector. Is there a way to see what the keyboard maps true names are? i.e. Eurokey for eurokey or at least "eu" as used in setxkbmap?
[07:50] <alkisg> sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration => shows a dialog that allows you to select your layout
[07:51] <alkisg> All desktop environments then are supposed to respect that base change
[08:04] <alzgh> `deb [arch=amd64,arm64] https://repo.mongodb.org/apt/ubuntu bionic/mongodb-org/4.0 multiverse` , my architecture is "amd64", is there a reason to have `arm64` as an option in my source entries?
[08:12] <jelly> alzgh, it's just a hint for apt to not consider looking up other architectures in that repo
[08:13] <jelly> eg. if you have i386 enabled as foreign arch for some 32bit stuff, apt will not try looking for i386 stuff in that repo
[08:13] <alzgh> I get a warning everytime, saying that the repository does not support arm64
[08:13] <alzgh> I don't remember when and why I add that line to sources
[08:13] <jelly> that's weird, get rid of it then
[08:14] <alzgh> back then I didn't know what I was doing, just copy pasting :D
[08:14] <alzgh> jelly, thanks
[08:42] <alzgh> This line adds cloudeflare's pub key to apt's keyring `curl https://pkg.cloudflareclient.com/pubkey.gpg | sudo apt-key add -`. I want to add it as a separate file under `/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d`. But however I tried, apt said that the file type is not recognize.
[08:42] <alzgh> Any ideas how I can do that?
[08:54] <alkisg> alzgh: AFAIK not unless you want to do advanced stuff; you could completely remove the `[arch=amd64,arm64]` part and it would then only download the amd64 information
[08:54] <alkisg> Sorry, wrong paste
[08:54] <alkisg> I meant this one: https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=home:stevenpusser&package=palemoon
[08:55] <alkisg> You go there and follow the "install repository" instructions; they have the command to do the key => gpg file conversion
[09:29] <CyL> Let's say I install Ubuntu on my system, and later on install XFCE. Will I get the 5 year support cycle for the LTS because it is Ubuntu instead of the smaller 3 year support cycle of Xubuntu LTS?
[09:38] <alkisg> CyL: run `ubuntu-security-status`. Packages in main are for 5 years, while in universe for 3 years
[09:40] <alzgh> O, man. Just learned that snaps are kinda images. They are very similar to containers. Those loop# devices they make are their volumes that are mounted.
[09:41] <CyL> alkisg: So this means Xubunt LTS kind of have the exactly same support cycle as Ubuntu, and I get no benefit from going that route?
[09:43] <alkisg> CyL: most of the gnome desktop is in main; most of the other DEs isn't
[09:43] <alkisg> So e.g. you'd get the same firefox, but you'd get no security updates for xfce panel
[09:46] <CyL> alkisg: Well, if this turns out to be important, can I just get the Ubuntu DE (from within Xubuntu) once it reaches the end of the 3-year cycle to keep getting updates from the 5-year cycle for packages that are in main?
[09:47] <alkisg> Sure
[09:48] <CyL> alkisg: Okay, also the repositories both 'distros' use are exactly the same, right?
[09:51] <CyL> I mean, I'm willing to install Xubuntu on this new computer because of XFCE, but for me it is important to count on the 5-year support cycle of Ubunntu (I mnight upgrade earlier, of course, but knowing I can keep it for longer is important). That's why I thought of Instaalling regular Ubuntu and then installing XFCE afterwards. But if these two routes are actually the sam, I might just install Xubuntu
[09:51] <CyL> directly.
[09:57] <alkisg> Yes, the repo is the same
[10:00] <amcsi> hey, I have a windows drive and an ubuntu drive. I dual-boot, and the EFI partition is on the windows drive. But I plan on replacing the windows drive with a new drive (that will be used for windows again). What's the best strategy to get by ubuntu to work again after installing windows on the new drive and having created an EFI partition with only windows support?
[10:21] <TomyWork> amcsi, boot from the installation medium, chroot into your installation and trigger grub. dunno how to do that though. I use a VM to run windows :)
[10:23] <amcsi> TomyWork, so boot with my ubuntu live usb, chroot into my ubuntu drive partition's root, then trigger grub somehow? I wonder how EFI would get sorted out
[10:24] <TomyWork> i have no idea. i'm hoping grub takes care of that
[10:24] <TomyWork> you probably have to bind-mount /dev and /proc and such btw
[10:25] <TomyWork> there are probably guides on this somewhere on the ubuntu wiki
[10:25] <TomyWork> maybe there's even a gui option in the installation medium's menu
[10:26] <TomyWork> like i said, i use a VM. much less hassle :)
[10:27] <amcsi> I have read about mounting /dev and /proc. It sounded scary to me though. But maybe it's fine.
[10:27] <TomyWork> yeah just bind-mount them. it's fairly easy
[10:27] <amcsi> I'm actually happy as long as I don't irreversably screw up my ubuntu installation
[10:27] <TomyWork> the list of things TO bind-mount, that's something you have to look up
[10:28] <amcsi> I'm using windows for gaming, so VMs would be too slow. And I'm using ubuntu for work, so using VMs would be too slow :D
[10:28] <TomyWork> amcsi, yeah, if you're not confident, you should probably try chrooting into your ubuntu partition while the EFI is still intact
[10:28] <amcsi> (for the other way around)
[10:29] <amcsi> why?
[10:29] <TomyWork> so you dont brick your ubuntu before you're confident you can at least chroot into it
[10:30] <TomyWork> oh and get an irc client on your phone or another pc or something. I use https://f-droid.org/de/packages/tk.jordynsmediagroup.simpleirc.fdroid/
[10:30] <TomyWork> why is this german, dammit... here's a better link: https://f-droid.org/packages/tk.jordynsmediagroup.simpleirc.fdroid/
[11:10] <lavaball> what printer manufacturer should i prefer? compatibility wise and all. i don't know. tell me things.
[11:13] <geirha> Look up make and model here before buying:  http://openprinting.org/database
[11:16] <lavaball> thanks.
[11:19] <dslegends> exit
[11:19] <cbreak> if I ever buy an other printer, then probably an epson eco tank thing, since ink cartridges are way overpriced... getting ink in bottles is probably much cheaper...
[11:19] <Liblx> I have a process running with STST 'Z' and named '[chrome_linux] <defunct>'. Chrome and any functions using chromium, ... are no more running. But 'kill <PID>' does not work. How can I quit this process?
[11:20] <cbreak> Liblx: sounds like a zombie
[11:21] <cbreak> wonder if you can just `wait` on it
[11:21] <cbreak> probably not :/
[11:22] <hajonnes> I want to undelete from a btrfs partition using a script. But I do not get it to work. They say I should specify the directory I want to undelete from and I should not include the mount point. But since the partition is unmounted what do they mean, it does not work for me? https://github.com/danthem/undelete-btrfs
[11:23] <hajonnes> Under heading "How to use it> Recovery of a folder"
[11:24] <geirha> cbreak: what is its parent pid (PPID)?
[11:24] <CyL> TomyWork: Just curious if you don't mind, what hypervisor do you use to run windows from within Ubuntu?
[11:25] <TomyWork> virtualbox
[11:25] <TomyWork> i dont game on it, though I use it for the few work tools that won't run on wine
[11:25] <TomyWork> "though."* period was missing
[11:26] <TomyWork> strikes me as odd that you game and work on the same machine. doesn't your employer give you a proper work machine?
[11:27] <TomyWork> or are you a freelancer or something?
[11:29] <Liblx> cbreak: I already waited ...
[11:30] <TheRealSoundWave> I have installes Squid Proxy. So, one can specify an "inbound" port for all the "clients" requests. I want Squid to use a single specified "outbound" port to serve clients requests instead of using ports 80, 443, as I deny all traffic on these using UFW/iptables
[11:30] <Liblx> cbreak: -bash: wait: pid 2605 is not a child of this shell
[11:31] <geirha> err, Liblx: what's the parent process? pid 1 or something else?
[11:33] <Liblx> hi geira: how can i find the parent process?
[11:33] <Liblx> it is running under the user.
[11:34] <geirha> ps -fp 2605   # third column
[11:35] <rapha> hi all
[11:35] <timothyp> Hi!, Ubuntu 20.10. Gnome-Boxes. I have a virtual machine that was deleted on disk and now the gnome-boxes ui crashes as soon as it starts and I do not know how to completely reset it
[11:36] <timothyp> I have try apt purge and removing config files but it still looking for that deleted machine
[11:36] <rapha> in ubuntu server, is there a convenient way to run a script as a user after booting is complete? something that doesn't rise to the level of being a service (i.e. not worth writing a systemd service file for), but something that'd be nice to have run automatically after boot for reasons of convenience...
[11:37] <timothyp> rapha: maybe this can help https://askubuntu.com/questions/20229/how-to-run-an-application-at-startup-as-a-certain-user
[11:38] <rapha> hmm that'd still run as root. so people will still have to ask me to install it for them. not really fitting the bill of "convenient", at least not for me :)
[11:38] <rbasak> rapha: cron @reboot maybe?
[11:38] <timothyp> is it ok if it runs after they log in ?
[11:38] <rapha> rbasak: oh, that sounds interesting!
[11:39] <rapha> timothyp: nope, unfortunately not. but rbasak's suggestions sounds worth investigating.
[11:39] <Liblx> geirha: solved, found the parent. great! you made my day ... every day.
[11:39] <timothyp> ok cool
[11:39] <timothyp> I will add that to my notes as well the cron reboot did not know that
[11:40] <rbasak> rapha: if it works for you, please add to that askubuntu.com page :)
[11:40] <rbasak> I use it for one-off scripts, and it's nice that it can be done without root.
[11:44] <alzgh> I had a problem with a gpg public key not being accepted under /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ earlier today. Apparently, apt-key does not accept all forms of key rings, so I have to export it to proper form first.
[12:02] <alzgh> `sudo wget -q https://packages.microsoft.com/keys/microsoft.asc -O /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/microsoft.asc` here I put an armored pub key directly into trusted.gpg.d and apt-key works fine with it. man says with apkt >= 1.4 this is possible.
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:18] <alzgh> hello BluesKaj
[12:18] <BluesKaj> hi alzgh
[12:38] <rapha> rbasak: https://askubuntu.com/a/1357578/1390544 there you go
[12:44] <rbasak> rapha: thanks! Have an upvote :)
[12:46] <rapha> thanks :)
[12:51] <rapha> rbasak: if you have any more upvotes left and agree with https://stackoverflow.com/a/52838493/5354137 ... i've been trying for a few years now to get that further to the top.
[13:24] <thinkofher> hello, is it possbile that there is broke update in 20.04? my friend told me that after apt upgrade he had some problems with his system
[13:25] <thinkofher> and i'm wodnering whether it is some his fault or is it seriously something broken in repositories, did anybody here had some problems after latest updates?
[13:27] <rbasak> It's possible. There's always a risk that updates unintentionally break something, though of course we do as much as we can to minimise that risk. Please could you be more specific about the problems?
[13:47] <gregl>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY gregl Frisk373ny
[13:48] <rbasak> gregl: you might want to change your password! ^
[13:48] <gregl> no
[13:48] <SnoopJ> (and type sensitive commands in your server window in the future)
[13:48] <leftyfb> gregl: you just posted your password to 925 people
[13:49] <gregl> opps i thought i was in the server window.. So i guess i will change my password
[13:49] <gregl> tnx
[13:55] <samir> happens to the best of us!  http://bash.org/?244321
[15:27] <pankaj> Hi All!!
[15:28] <pankaj> When I am clicking upload button to upload a file the box which opens has "Customised solution" in the bottom right.
[15:28] <pankaj> Because of this all files are not shown.
[15:28] <pankaj> How to make "All files" as default ?
[15:30] <pankaj> Typo correction -> "Customised Files"
[15:34] <ioria> pankaj, you are in the ubuntu channel
[15:39] <pankaj> yes
[15:39] <pankaj> That box is of Ubuntu.
[15:40] <ioria> pankaj, what application is it ?
[15:46] <pankaj> web application
[15:46] <pankaj> In Laravel
[15:50] <ioria> pankaj, it's not an ubuntu software (meaning it's not in the repository); but if you post a screenshot someone might have some ideas
[15:52] <pankaj> how to post screenshot over here
[15:52] <pankaj> do i have to post it somewhere else and generate link ?
[15:53] <ioria> !paste
[15:57] <BinarySavior> hi, when i suspend ubuntu 21.04 then wake up I lose network connectivity every time
[15:58] <BinarySavior> i'm using a hardwired connection and restarting network manager does not solve the issue
[15:58] <ioria> BinarySavior, reloading the module works ?
[15:59] <BinarySavior> ioria, no, it provides error something like can't access NIC or something similar
[15:59] <ioria> BinarySavior, i suggest to chech dmesg
[15:59] <BinarySavior> i found this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1029250/ubuntu-18-04-ethernet-disconnected-after-suspend
[15:59] <BinarySavior> i'm gonna look into it
[16:00] <BinarySavior> though i had ubuntu 18.04 on here and did not experience this issue
[16:02] <BinarySavior> oh nope, that' snot my issue, the driver is not the same
[16:02] <TJ-> BinarySavior: sounds like ACPI device handling issue. can you show us the kernel log covering the period when this last happened?
[16:02] <BinarySavior> it just happened now, i restarted my computer and i'm back online
[16:03] <BinarySavior> how much of the kernel log do you need?
[16:03] <TJ-> BinarySavior: how long ago then? no more than 15 minutes?
[16:03] <BinarySavior> TJ- no more than 15 minutes
[16:04] <TJ-> BinarySavior: show us "pastebinit <( journalctl --since="15 minutes ago" )"
[16:04] <pankaj> Screenshot ->  https://imgur.com/a/DN9GNAR
[16:05] <BinarySavior> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Xk2c6QBS5V/
[16:05] <TJ-> BinarySavior: looks like we /just/ got it!
[16:06] <BinarySavior> nice :D
[16:07] <TJ-> ouch, nvidia repeatedly panicing
[16:07] <TJ-> line 267 onwards
[16:07] <ioria> pankaj, yes, looks like nautilus but i guess it depends on how Laravel has been installed (or configured); sorry can't help with that
[16:08] <BinarySavior> i see that
[16:08] <pankaj> Okay
[16:09] <pankaj> How to make "Libreoffice Calc" open excel files with fixed width ?
[16:10] <TJ-> BinarySavior: also, line 2735 "pci 0000:02:00.0: 16.000 Gb/s available PCIe bandwidth, limited by 2.5 GT/s PCIe x8 link at 0000:00:01.1 (capable of 126.016 Gb/s with 8.0 GT/s PCIe x16 link)"
[16:11] <TJ-> BinarySavior: just so you know ^^^ might be some setting or slot change to solve that
[16:11] <BinarySavior> you mean moving my GPU to another PCIe slot?
[16:12] <pankaj> Setting "Default value" of width of Libreoffice Calc ?
[16:12] <BinarySavior> i could try that, but it seems weird because ubuntu 18.04 and ubuntu 20.04 worked fine suspend / wake.  This problem started with ubuntu 21.04
[16:14] <BinarySavior> or were you saying, that's an unrelated issue
[16:14] <BinarySavior> my GPU is being limited by the mobo?
[16:18] <BinarySavior> TJ- i just looked at my mobo, it has a debug code of 26 - OEM pre-memory initialization codes
[16:19] <BinarySavior> and this isn't new, for some reason dual channel configuration on my RAM doesn't work
[16:19] <BinarySavior> the BIOS check fails if i have them in Dual channel configuration
[16:19] <BinarySavior> I can only use my ram in single channel
[16:19] <TJ-> BinarySavior: hmmm, that's not helpful. matched pair modules?
[16:20] <BinarySavior> i think that's what that debug code is probably saying
[16:20] <BinarySavior> TJ- matched pair of modules, and I replaced them thinking i had bad memory, but had the same issue with multiple brands
[16:21] <BinarySavior> i think I may have damaged the mobo somehow, not sure
[16:21] <BinarySavior> but this problem is unrelated to the network connection as far as i'm aware
[16:22] <TJ-> Can't see anything in the log to explain the lack of enp3s0/alx/04:00.0 - but I think you show try disabling Wake On LAN  before suspend. I read there were issues with WoL with that driver and device which don't seem to be totally ironed out. Use "ethtool" to control the WoL setting
[16:22] <BinarySavior> oh okay'
[16:22] <BinarySavior> i do know that my particular mobo is not capable of WoL
[16:22] <TJ-> and it's enp4s0 :)
[16:23] <TJ-> Just as sleep is starting th elog shows 2kernel: alx 0000:04:00.0 enp4s0: wol: ctrl=3, speed=A"
[16:24] <TJ-> BinarySavior: try "sudo ethtool -s enp4s0 wol d" (d = disable)
[16:25] <BinarySavior> nice i was just in the manpages looking at -s
[16:25] <BinarySavior> u made it too easy :D
[16:25] <BinarySavior> okay i disabled wol
[16:25] <BinarySavior> do i need to restart first or can i just try suspending now
[16:26] <TJ-> try the suspend/resume
[16:26] <TJ-> this setting won't persist if you reboot
[16:31] <BinarySavior> TJ-, i restarted, suspended, then woke, issue remains the same
[16:31] <BinarySavior> loss of network connection
[16:32] <BinarySavior> and i actually tried restarting network manager again and it did not give me an error message, but also did not resolve the issue
[16:33] <TJ-> BinarySavior: WoL would have been an easy win. The next one to try is disabling EEE power management on the interface
[16:34] <TJ-> BinarySavior: check it's current state (if it is available at all) "ethtool --show-eee enp4s0"
[16:34] <BinarySavior> netlink error: Operation not supported
[16:34] <TJ-> BinarySavior: darn; that's often s culprit
[16:34] <TJ-> BinarySavior: next!
[16:35] <TJ-> BinarySavior: try unloading the kernel module before sleep and loading it back on resume
[16:35] <TJ-> BinarySavior: see this example https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1269055#p1269055
[16:38] <BinarySavior> so if i put any script in that directory and chmod a+x then it will execute upon sleep?
[16:38] <BinarySavior> pre/post sleep/
[16:38] <TJ-> correct
[16:39] <BinarySavior> can i just manually try the modprobe -r alx
[16:39] <BinarySavior> and then modprobe alx
[16:39] <TJ-> not easily because NetworkManager will be holding a reference to it.You can try, but it may be 'busy'
[16:40] <BinarySavior> okay i will just create the alx.sh then
[16:40] <silatel> i'm trying to install vim-gnome but it doesn't show up in apt when i try
[16:40] <silatel> i get this
[16:40] <silatel> Package vim-gnome is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[16:40] <silatel> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[16:40] <silatel> is only available from another source
[16:40] <silatel> E: Package 'vim-gnome' has no installation candidate
[16:42] <BinarySavior> TJ- that script successfully restored network connection after waking
[16:43] <TJ-> BinarySavior: good - not solving it but a reliable workaround
[16:44] <BinarySavior> Thanks a lot, should i start a bug report or anything?
[16:44] <TJ-> BinarySavior: from the number of reports and their age it isn't worth it
[16:44] <TJ-> Just keep a spare copy of the script in case you need to reinstall and forget!
[16:46] <BinarySavior> will-do
[16:46] <BinarySavior> thx
[17:22] <daevski> Trying to setup wifi on ubuntu 20.04 server using netplan and getting some output I'm not understanding... https://pastebin.com/g0fWUBYy
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> daevski: you might wanna talk to the #ubuntu-server experts about that
[17:33] <daevski> I like that idea, thank you
[18:19] <Apachez> very torque, much bend
[18:27]  * SnoopJ sighs and resets "days since critically-damaged system" sign to 0
[18:27] <matsaman> heh
[18:28] <donofrio> Apachez, says Bender meme
[18:29] <SnoopJ> this is a particularly silly one, I nuked /bin and /usr/bin
[18:29] <matsaman> so nothing too important =)
[18:30] <SnoopJ> few bits and bobs
[18:31] <SnoopJ> interestingly, bash would tab-complete stuff in /usr/bin, but I couldn't run that stuff. Not sure if they were symlinks or something ultra-cursed was afoot, but oh well, at least it's easy to get back to where I was
[18:31] <matsaman> you've inspired me to re-read this story, which I love =) https://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~elf/hack/recovery.html
[18:35] <SnoopJ> I may have time to read it, my live USB appears to be borked as well. "Unable to find a mdium container a live file system" :|
[18:37] <donofrio> matsaman, circa 1996
[18:38] <matsaman> 96 or 86?
[18:39] <matsaman> it's kinda cheating to have had a whole OS (Emacs) running already =P
[18:39] <xcm_> hi all. i have a new ubuntu installation that i cannot always ping using its mdns name. sometimes it works, others the IP resolves to 169.254.92.194 (and some equivalent ipv6 address). this, despite me being connected to that same computer in a different terminal
[18:40] <donofrio> matsaman, circa 1986 I meant....
[18:41] <derallerechte> hallo
[18:41] <matsaman> vax and tape decks, it's pretty old =)
[18:41] <matsaman> derallerechte: hi
[18:41] <derallerechte> schallom
[18:41] <donofrio> vax good times
[18:42] <derallerechte> what u do with this
[18:42] <leftyfb> !support | derallerechte
[18:42] <derallerechte> what is hexchat can i order hitman?
[18:43] <leftyfb> derallerechte: trolling is offtopic here. Please go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:43] <xcm_> looks like.. hitman got him first
[18:43]  * SnoopJ mumbles something about subcontractors
[18:45] <shibboleth> there's nothing on usn about mondays openssl update?
[18:45] <matsaman> it's also cool that GNU 'rm' will let you put -fr last, after the arguments, so you can sit and look at your stupid 'rm' and asterisk and have a second to say "...WHOOPS!"
[18:49] <donofrio> matsaman, wonder when ubuntu will get this in the standard repo's - https://github.com/ibraheemdev/modern-unix
[18:51] <leftyfb> donofrio: your first step is to get it into debian
[18:54] <matsaman> these is a curated list of separately managed projects, though, right?
[18:55] <matsaman> I'm guessing some are available already
[19:57] <Croran> I'm getting some weird behavior with file permissions on my system
[19:58] <Croran> I set a file to '222', then sudo chown root:root, then i attempt to open it with vi, make a modification, and save it (without root permissions)
[19:59] <Croran> vi gives a bunch of errors of course, since it has no permission to read the file, but what's crazy is after the attempt to modify and save, the file has 220 permissions.
[19:59] <Croran> and owned by me
[19:59] <Croran> but 0 bytes, even though i had text typed into vi
[20:00] <Croran> can someone explain what happens?
[20:01] <matsaman> 222 becomes 220 or 200?
[20:03] <tomreyn> Croran: that's not happening on Ubuntu 18.04 with the HWE kernel. What are you running?
[20:03] <matsaman> Croran: I'm guessing it's https://superuser.com/questions/900888/vi-can-write-to-file-despite-file-being-read-only
[20:04] <matsaman> because fundamentally your user has the ability to change it, and Vim knows this, it goes ahead
[20:04] <matsaman> and isn't particularly about preserving the other permissions, apparently
[20:04] <Croran> 20.04.2 LTS and 5.4.0-80-lowlatency #90-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Fri Jul 9 23:56:54 UTC 2021 x86_64
[20:04] <matsaman> isn't particular*
[20:04] <Croran> matsaman: so does giving write permission to a file also give permission to CHANGE the permissions?
[20:04] <Croran> because the file was owned by root...
[20:05] <matsaman> Croran: owned by root and you ran vi/m as non-root?
[20:06] <Croran> right
[20:06] <tomreyn> yes, OTHER had WRITE permission, so it could change permissions
[20:06] <matsaman> yeah write is write
[20:06] <Croran> huh. so there's no way to make a file writable without also allowing permission change.
[20:06] <matsaman> I'm sure there is
[20:07] <matsaman> but does there need to be
[20:08] <Croran> i guess i always just thought the permission itself was not part of the file in terms of permissions
[20:08] <matsaman> would probably want ACLs
[20:13] <tomreyn> actually i think i was wrong, at least i can't seem to "chmod 220" the file (which was 222 previously) as OTHER
[20:14] <tomreyn> Croran: sorry about the confusion.
[20:14] <tomreyn> hwich file system is this?
[20:22] <tomreyn> Croran: on POSIX compliant file systems, only the only owner can chmod
[20:30] <pycurious> where is a good place to get help on VNC (turbovnc) ? I'm getting Fatal server error: Cannot establish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't already running(EE)
[20:30] <leandro> Hola.
[20:31] <leandro> Ando buscando un poco de ayuda porque la notebook no me detecta el monitor externo VGA cuando lo conecto
[20:32] <leftyfb> !es | leandro
[20:33] <leftyfb> pycurious: I would start with the turbovnc documentation. Though before that, I wouldn't use turbovnc. It's not a supported application in ubuntu. You should try x11vnc
[20:33] <leandro> oh, well, i'm looking for help for my notebook to recognize my vga monitor when it's connected
[20:46] <rhymeswithmogul> I run Ubuntu on WSL2.  When I begin an instance, I have to use "sudo service" to start my Tor client.  Systemd isn't supported in WSL like on my desktop.  Is there any way to start that service automatically?
[20:52] <leftyfb> rhymeswithmogul: https://linoxide.com/enable-disable-services-ubuntu-systemd-upstart/   look at the SysV init section
[21:07] <rhymeswithmogul> thanks, leftyfb.  The only thing that worked was "sudo update-rc.d tor enable 5".  I'll see if that works tomorrow.
[21:07] <rhymeswithmogul> never thought I'd say that I missed systemd, but lol
[21:45] <dre> morning all
[21:46] <dre> each time I update and restart my ubuntu install, on the first boot I get a 800x600 resolution, and I have to disconnect my hdmi adapter and reconnect it to get the proper 4k.
[21:46] <dre> is there anything i can do so that I don't have to do that?
[22:25] <bewees> hi, my laptop doesn't support TPM yet and when I start ubuntu 21.10 it says "error communicating to tpm chip", does ubuntu require TPM?
[22:26] <ens> ubuntu does not require TPM
[22:26] <bewees> So I should try Ubuntu 20.04 maybe
[22:33] <BinarySavior> is ubuntu a monolithic kernel or a micro kernel
[22:33] <mypc> cherche logiciel iptv  mac
[22:33] <BinarySavior> does ubuntu use***
[22:43] <genii-core> mostly monolithic
[22:47] <bewees> ens: with 20.04 it booted fine
[22:47] <bewees> genii-core: Why mostly? Linux is 100% monolithic
[22:48] <bewees> BinarySavior: Microkernel is for example sel4, but it's only for niche products
[22:48] <genii-core> The RT kernel is something of a hybrid
[22:49] <coryc257> genii-core, Does that support modern kernels? I've read about it before but I think everything mentioned 2.6
[22:50] <ens> bewees: that's a bit odd. i wouldn't know about 21.04 though i've only gone as far as 20.04
[22:53] <genii-core> coryc257: UbuntuStudio dist uses one
[22:54] <Eickmeyer> genii-core: No, not RT. It's a lowlatency kernel. There's a difference.
[22:54] <Eickmeyer> !rt | genii-core, coryc257
[22:55] <genii-core> Eickmeyer: Ah, thanks for the clarification
[22:55] <Eickmeyer> genii-core: Lowlatency has more applications than audio, though. For instance, TJ- is known to use it in servers.
[22:56] <coryc257> I'd expect the marscopter to use something like that
[22:57] <coryc257> or else it would have instantly crashed because timing wasn't reliable
[23:00] <SnoopJ> https://nasa.github.io/fprime/
[23:14] <coryc257> SnoopJ, thanks for that link. I'll have too look through that. I would have thought they would have baked the timing of things directly into the kernel but it seems like they were able to do that purely in userspace
[23:22] <chibill[m]> Hello, I am having an issue when my ubuntu install randomly stopped seeing my USB sound card as an audio device. (It no longer shows up in my applications that used it.) I does show up as the proper device under lsusb.
[23:22] <chibill[m]> Any ideas on how could be the issue?
[23:24] <chibill[m]> My full version information from uname -a is "Linux hambook 5.11.0-25-generic #27~20.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 13 17:41:23 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:24] <chibill[m]> "
[23:29] <coryc257> chibill[m], please show me the output of: aplay -l
[23:29]  * chibill[m]  < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/ec46abb61ebe01e6244ede877894f628ac20daac/message.txt >
[23:30] <coryc257> that's a good sign, alsa can see it
[23:30] <coryc257> one sec
[23:30] <chibill[m]> I can also see it in alsamixer
[23:31] <coryc257> what does this show: pactl list sinks
[23:32] <chibill[m]> Connection failure: Connection refused
[23:32] <chibill[m]> pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused
[23:33] <coryc257> pulseaudio -k; pulseaudio -vvvvv
[23:33] <coryc257> then try again
[23:34] <chibill[m]> Samething, the output of pulseaudio -vvvvv ends with I: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon terminated.
[23:36] <chibill[m]> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7mpz3TVqBC/ is the output of the commnad to kill pulse audio and restart it in verbose output. And at the end the pactl list sinks command
[23:37] <coryc257> sudo alsa force-reload
[23:38] <chibill[m]> Okay.
[23:39] <coryc257> that work?
[23:43] <chibill[m]> It unloaded and reloaded the modules, didn't fix the audio. Although I just noticed that with aplay I can get a list of device names and I noticed that one has the correct like information matching up to the old audio device. Seems somehow it switch from mentioning the USB C-media in the name to just being one of the default:Card=Device entries.
[23:46] <chibill[m]> Doesn't explain whats up with pulse audio but as long as I can get it working someway I can deal with that later if it becomes a problem again.
[23:47]  * enyc meows
[23:48] <coryc257> now that pulse audio is up again try
[23:48] <coryc257> pactl list sinks
[23:48] <coryc257> don't be root when you do it