[06:50] <jibel> Good morning all
[06:57] <didrocks> good morning
[06:58] <jibel> salut didrocks 
[06:59] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:59] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks & jibel 
[06:59] <didrocks> salut jibel, oSoMoN 
[07:01] <duflu> Morning jibel, didrocks, oSoMoN 
[07:01] <jibel> salut oSoMoN duflu 
[07:01] <oSoMoN> hey duflu 
[07:03] <didrocks> hey duflu 
[07:04] <jpnurmi> good morning
[07:09] <ricotz> good morning everyone
[07:09] <ricotz> hey jibel didrocks oSoMoN duflu jpnurmi 
[07:10] <oSoMoN> good morning jpnurmi, ricotz 
[07:10] <duflu> Morning jpnurmi and ricotz 
[07:10] <didrocks> hey jpnurmi, ricotz !
[07:12] <duflu> We are down two people today. Still want to do the meeting later?
[07:12] <ricotz> oSoMoN, fyi https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1721326 -- seems thunderbird 78 runs fine with glibc 2.34, but firefox-esr 78 doesn't
[07:14] <jpnurmi> hi ricotz oSoMoN duflu didrocks
[07:15] <duflu> I guess we have other teams attending usually so should stick with it
[07:18] <oSoMoN> ricotz, the bug only affects impish and is fixed in 91.1 ESR, so it looks like we're covered?
[07:18] <GunnarHj> duflu: I tried the no-overview@fthx extension yesterday, but couldn't make it work (at least not with the default Ubuntu extensions in place).
[07:21] <duflu> GunnarHj, luckily it's not important. It looks similar to what I did but in a more hacky/racy way
[07:22] <duflu> If more people raise the issue in future (when they're using GNOME 40/41) then we can revisit
[07:23] <ricotz> oSoMoN, it affects firefox-esr 78 which ftbfs and has runtime issues, I don't see those runtime problems with thunderbird 78 though, but probably it is affected too
[07:23] <GunnarHj> duflu: I think it would be good if you could fix it somehow. It makes little sense to start in the overview at login.
[07:24] <ricotz> oSoMoN, e.g. tor-browser (based on 78) is not usable with glibc 2.34 either
[07:25] <duflu> GunnarHj, that extension is doing the wrong thing really because gnome-shell forces it to. That's why I proposed fixing gnome-shell. We could patch something like my fix into gnome-shell for Ubuntu but I wasn't going to consider that yet
[07:26] <GunnarHj> duflu: +1 for patching :)
[07:26] <duflu> Particularly because doing that would create the problem Florian was concerned about -- a new interface that might go away, or worse only exists in Ubuntu
[07:26] <duflu> Although we could patch it without the public interface. Just always off
[07:27] <duflu> The problem is that's backwards and would be true for people (like me) who disable ubuntu-dock
[07:28] <GunnarHj> duflu: Would it be possible with a patch which enables it only when ubuntu-dock is active?
[07:31] <duflu> GunnarHj, I was thinking that. But instead of naming the extension, detect any extension like it
[07:31] <duflu> Maybe later. Too contentious for a Friday afternoon as I want to approach de-stressing
[07:32] <GunnarHj> :)
[07:32] <callmepk> good afternoon
[07:33] <duflu> Hi callk
[07:33] <duflu> Hi callmepk 
[07:33] <callmepk> hi duflu 
[07:37] <oSoMoN> ricotz, regarding thunderbird, I'm in the process of packaging 91.0 for impish, I'll test against glibc in impish-proposed
[07:37] <jpnurmi> hey callmepk
[07:38] <oSoMoN> I suppose tor-browser will rebase on firefox 91 at some point in the near future
[07:38] <oSoMoN> hey callmepk 
[07:42] <ricotz> oSoMoN, ok, I expect upstream to handle this for 78 too though while there are two 78 point releases left, still I wanted you to be aware
[07:42] <oSoMoN> ricotz, thanks for the heads up!
[07:44] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I am patching and rebuilding firefox-esr 78 which hopefully fixes the problems I am seeing
[07:55] <callmepk> hi jpnurmi oSoMoN and also ricotz 
[21:47] <shailangsa> does anybody know of a good desktop environment closes to windows, GNOME seems off?
[23:23] <guiverc> is 5GB the current minimum disk space required for Ubuntu Desktop installs?  it seems too small?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements