[00:43] <noarb-> is there a way to check what repository a package was installed from with apt? E.g. if I check with `apt show <package>` and have "APT-Sources: /var/lib/dpkg/status", that means not from an Ubuntu repository. Is there a way to get the url or the apt.sources its from?
[00:44] <tomreyn> noarb-: no
[00:44] <tomreyn> try searching the web for the package version
[00:47] <tomreyn> if you see "/var/lib/dpkg/status" listed, what this really means is: this package version is installed. if this package version is only listed as "/var/lib/dpkg/status", it means this package version is installed, and no apt repository currently known to apt has this version available.
[00:56] <noarb-> It seems like that's the case whether it was installed via dpkg or via apt when adding the repo with a "deb" line in apt sources
[00:56] <noarb-> I would expect that behavior with dpkg, but should apt behave that way, too?
[01:06] <rbasak> noarb-: nothing in the system tracks where a package came from. apt is designed to assume that all packages come from the distribution. The use of third party sources is a hack, and this is one of the cases where that hack reveals itself.
[01:07] <rbasak> There is "apt policy <package>" which will show you where apt _currently_ sees a package as available from. However that doesn't necessarily mean that a package was installed from a source it displays there. Different sources may even present the same package and version but with different contents, and apt/dpkg wouldn't know it.
[01:16] <Ali-Karam> hello, how do I max out the current frequency ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TcXyVqYcdC/
[01:39] <Croran> ali-karam: run a program that requires a lot of CPU power. mprime is a reasonable choice, or just ffmpeg and convert some video to another format.
[01:39] <Ali-Karam> Croran, I can't max it out while compiling in VBox?
[01:40] <Croran> ali-karam: may or may not. depends what you're compiling. some compiles more i/o based than cpu.
[01:44] <Ali-Karam> thanks Croran
[03:27] <coryc257> chibill[m], did you ever get your usb figured out?
[03:29] <SnoopJ> coryc257, I'm not sure to what extent fprime runs on Ingy in userspace without a closer look. I got the impression that maybe it embedded well and the kernel really is there for a sane multipurpose base
[03:29] <chibill[m]> Yea, found it under a totally different name in aplay, pulse audio is still busted by my software didnt use it so i am good.
[03:30] <SnoopJ> but I guess it's still "userspace" indeed :)
[03:30] <coryc257> good! I've never had any issues with pulseaudio but I've heard it can be finnicky
[03:31] <coryc257> SnoopJ, I wonder if amazon plans on using that in their delivery drones if that ever "takes off"
[03:31] <SnoopJ> coryc257, they certainly have the assets necessary to build their own flight software, or acquire someone else's, but fprime looks like it would be a solid base.
[03:32] <SnoopJ> And it fits their diversification portfolio well in other places
[03:32] <SnoopJ> anyway, I think of Ingy and I think of Linux on something like gumstix-or-less, but I don't actually know what's in Ingy. I know I've bounced off the question a few times, never found the right literature.
[03:34] <coryc257> at some point I'm sure the full specs will be released because I'm fairly certain any research completed by the government must be published.
[03:35] <SnoopJ> I would be kinda surprised if it's not published close-to-as-built. Federal science gets very transparent review a lot of the time.
[03:35] <SnoopJ> Maybe my sniffer is more calibrated to DOE stuff, which people attach substantially less mystery-factor to 😅
[03:36] <coryc257> lol
[03:36] <SnoopJ> having another go at it though :)
[03:42] <coryc257> router patching is always exciting, the Russian roulette of uploads
[03:44] <SnoopJ> the micro in microcontroller stands for the tiny spells of terror they provide an endless supply of
[03:44] <coryc257> lol
[03:46] <SnoopJ> Anyway I suspect the system is probably something large enough to support a weakly dynamic science environment, but like, it's not a long-term thing like the rover is (aside from "however long it lasts")
[03:49] <coryc257> a remote controlled flying thing opens the possibility for sending robots that could try and build a habitation structure there from a difficulty perspective
[03:49] <SnoopJ> it opens a lot of possibilities
[03:49] <SnoopJ> especially having that kind of software environment closer at hand
[03:50] <SnoopJ> Coming up frustratingly shy of detail once again. Maybe it's just been played really close to the chest, or maybe the other problems are that much harder that everyone wasn't talking about that one much in publications, idk
[03:51] <SnoopJ> ah, okay, Spectrum has some details: https://spectrum.ieee.org/nasa-designed-perseverance-helicopter-rover-fly-autonomously-mars
[03:52] <SnoopJ> snapdragon 801, nice
[03:54] <SnoopJ> oh right, wasn't it a really big deal that it's all COTS technology
[04:05] <coryc257> SnoopJ, yeah. crazy what level of technology we technically have if someone just hamfists things together and puts Linux on it
[04:30] <golden_ticket> where can I go to get help with server software configurations?
[04:31] <coryc257> what server?
[04:37] <audiofreeze> if I modify ~/.bash_profile do i have to log out and log back in for changes to take effect?
[04:38] <coryc257> audiofreeze, typically yes unless whatever program you are using has some mechanism to reload it's config.You could try sending a SIGHUP signal to it and see if it reloads the config
[04:39] <coryc257> that also might just kill the process though
[05:01] <golden_ticket> coryc257: I've got a debian 10 server with some software installed. I am wanting to configure the software
[05:05] <coryc257> golden_ticket, lol that kind of ambiguous. Generally there will be a file in /etc/somwhere that looks like blah.cfg or just a name like the software
[05:05] <coryc257> you open that with vim (or that other program) and edit the configuration to suit your needs
[05:13] <el> this is also #ubuntu not #debian which is where people will be more familiar with debian's choices of configuration :)
[05:15] <SnoopJ> coryc257, I read an article some time ago that compared integrated circuits to cathedrals and I haven't been able to stop thinking about that. It's crazy indeed.
[05:25] <coryc257> SnoopJ, I never thought of that. That's pretty cool.
[05:37] <SnoopJ> coryc257, so, I got substantially better fishing luck this dive. The avionics are detailed fairly well here: https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov/bitstream/handle/2014/46229/CL%2317-6243.pdf?sequence=1 p.p. 11 points out that the Snapdragon 801 running Linux is for "high-level functions" and flight control is handled by dedicated MCUs which talk to the snapdragon over UART
[05:37] <SnoopJ> in other words, the Linux part ain't doing the realtime-demanding parts of the driving I think, or at least not the worst of it
[05:40] <coryc257> SnoopJ, I guess that makes sense to have that as something 100% specific to the real hardware
[05:40] <SnoopJ> yea, and 2 GHz is a lot of zoom, more than you really need for the task itself
[05:41] <SnoopJ> TMS570LC43x seems to have really domain-specific realtime options
[05:47] <coryc257> SnoopJ, yeah, I took a look at pdf for the "Hercules Development Kit" and it looks like you program what you want in their specific IDE and it generates the code to do the task with some sort of hardware abstraction layer code generator
[05:47] <SnoopJ> good business to be in if your thingy works, I bet
[05:48] <coryc257> lol, or a nightmare if it doesn't
[05:49] <SnoopJ> realtime interrupt module seems really pretty impressive
[05:49] <SnoopJ> but I don't know much about hardware, maybe I'm easily impressed
[05:49] <SnoopJ> $50 chip though!
[05:52] <coryc257> $50 for something that can fly a helicopter on mars but in this day and age you can't find a videocard capable of doing mirror reflections without shenanigans or some sort of compromise. computers are funny
[05:53] <SnoopJ> displays are hard things unto themselves, even leaving aside all the "pointed a detector at a thing" headaches. I think this is why the helicopter has two cameras, one for NAV and one for human eyeballs
[05:54] <SnoopJ> but I wouldn't be surprised if they've got some notions for long-term planning stuff happening on the snapdragon
[06:04] <Ali-Karam> I'm using VBox and I had set my display to VMSVGA, I had an error msg at boot in dmesg "[drm:vmw_host_log [vmwgfx]] *ERROR* Failed to send host log message." google said to fix that problem I needed to the display to VBOXVGA and here is my currect dmesg https://termbin.com/wsgj .. but my console screen size is still small, how do I fix it (it was small when using vmsgva too)
[06:07] <nikolam> Hi if I buy support for Ubuntu (like, basic desktop minimal support for single user), what kind of support I am expected to have? Shall I have support/help reporting bugs, problems with X server resolution, strange system error messages, etc?
[06:10] <Unit193> https://ubuntu.com/pricing/infra  somewhat lays it out.
[07:08] <nikolam> Unit193, so with Ubuntu Desktop essential 25USD/year support, one does not actually get.. support.. at all?
[07:12] <Unit193> nikolam: I can't say for sure, clearly you don't get phone support.  Note also you can get that teir free.
[07:13] <Unit193> "Anyone can use UA-I Essential for free on up to 3 machines, or 50 if you are an official Ubuntu Community member"
[07:22] <nikolam> I were targeting minimal mail-only desktop support at least. Helping when user can't get head or tails of current issues or bug reporting.
[07:24] <nikolam> Like the problem I created with pulling out AMD graphics and relying on Intel HD 4600 integrated graphics and problems of not recognizing VGA-out resolutions . And now having weird messages on display instead of doing logout and didplaying login screen..
[07:50] <Samian> anyone here know how to use BigGrep? I want to search for "multigpu" but only in files that match *.py (only python files)
[07:53] <summonner> grep -r multigpu *.py
[08:01] <geirha> that won't recursively grep through py files
[08:04] <geirha> Samian: Never heard of BigGrep, but can help with regular grep
[08:07] <carpediem> Hello everyone, I have a machine on which the command "chown : -R  " by a sudo user. The immediate consequence is that the sudo access is gone. Could someone tell me what are the consequences and how things can be repaired?
[08:07] <geirha> chown needs a path to work on. What path was it given?
[08:12] <geirha> anyway, whatever path it was given it would've gone through it and changed ownership of all files to user root, group root.  /usr/bin/sudo was most likely in its path there. Changing ownership of a file has the side effect of removing any setuid bit, which sudo relies on
[08:12] <geirha> chmod u+s /usr/bin/sudo  might fix sudo up, but it's likely not the only thing affected
[08:13] <carpediem> geirha: it was a bad installation script, so the path was empty as far as I can tell
[08:14]  * beheader beheads mikeliuk
[08:14]  * beheader beheads zetheroo
[08:14] <zetheroo> I rebooted twice with ESET AV installed and the problem persisted. I then uninstalled ESET AV and rebooted - problem gone!
[08:14] <carpediem> geirha: Yes, the setuid is missing so I cannot use sudo.
[08:15]  * beheader beheads PPe2
[08:15] <zetheroo> what is this "beheader" message?
[08:15] <geirha> carpediem: it will abort if you don't provide any paths, but maybe it did chmod -R ...  "$dir/" so it expanded to chmod -R ... /
[08:16] <geirha> zetheroo: just a troll. ignore it
[08:16] <zetheroo> I have now installed ESET AV again, but have not rebooted. How can I see exactly which driver is in use at the moment for the touchpad?
[08:17] <zetheroo>  geirha: ok
[08:18] <geirha> carpediem: you can boot into recovery mode, but there's likely a ton of other stuff than needs to be fixed, if it was allowed to run recursively on /, so a reinstall may be the simpler option
[08:19] <geirha> all home directories are probably owned by root too now
[08:29] <zetheroo> Is '⎜   ↳ Synaptics TM3471-020                    	id=20	[slave  pointer  (2)]' showing me the name of the device, or of the driver?
[09:15] <slart> hello!
[09:16] <slart> due to some job I had to play around with update-alternatives --config java and I notices some strange behaviour that may be some bugs
[09:16]  * beheader beheads callmepk
[09:17] <slart> in particular, when different java is set, looking at /etc/alternatives/ directory, soft links are not fully updated
[09:17]  * beheader beheads waxfire
[09:17] <slart> in addiction, soft link in /usr/lib/jvm/default-java is also neither updated nor created
[09:17] <slart> should I post that as a bug?
[09:18]  * beheader beheads kostkon_
[09:28] <carpediem> geirha: yes, there was a variable that was not properly set, so I don't really know what directory it started from, but given that I don't have sudo anymore, probably /. I also don't have access to the machine, I'm connected remotely to it.
[09:30] <geirha> carpediem: I can't think of any ways to gain root access remotely when sudo and probably su and similar commands are all non-setuid
[09:31] <geirha> if ssh allows root login, that might work if you have password or key for that
[09:32] <geirha> If the installer was open source, I'd be curious to see it
[10:07] <slart> anyone?
[10:11] <slart> part
[10:59] <RaimondRaj> hai
[10:59] <RaimondRaj> how to actived email confirmation for new register nick
[10:59] <RaimondRaj> unrealircd - anope - ubuntu
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> !register | RaimondRaj
[11:04] <RaimondRaj> haaa
[11:11] <Ali-Karam> https://bpa.st/ARSA anybody got any ideas on this error?
[11:18] <donofrio> Ali-Karam, your compiling x11?
[11:18] <Ali-Karam> yes
[11:18] <Ali-Karam> on a guest vm
[11:19] <donofrio> Ali-Karam, why should be able to just to do an "sudo apt-get install x11-common -y" and the heavy lifting is done for you?
[11:20] <Ali-Karam> the guest is LFS
[11:20] <Ali-Karam> wish I could :D
[11:21] <donofrio> Ali-Karam, then perhaps #lfs would know more about this guest compile issue?
[11:23] <donofrio> Ali-Karam, er I meant #lfs-support
[11:24] <Ali-Karam> I'm there
[11:24] <Ali-Karam> thanks donofrio
[11:25] <donofrio> Ali-Karam, k just know irc is about asking and waiting (maybe min/hours/days = lurking is fun.)
[11:25] <Ali-Karam> noted
[11:25] <Ali-Karam> thanks
[11:36] <zetheroo> I am trying to figure out what has caused my laptop with 20.04 to semi-crash twice in the last couple hours. Essentially the semi-crash looks like this: I will be working with apps like Chrome, Slack, and Signal open, and at some point (usually after a couple hours) I will be moving the mouse cursor and suddenly everywhere it moves over those three apps it will "draw" a bunch of white blank space. Over apps like the Terminal and Resource
[11:36] <zetheroo>  Monitor the white blank spaces don't occur. Then Chrome completely crashes and the other apps like Signal and Slack become unresponsive. Terminal and Resource Monitor continue to work fine. If I try to open Chrome via the terminal I see this:
[11:36] <zetheroo> [36113:36142:0813/113248.441188:ERROR:platform_shared_memory_region_posix.cc(250)] Creating shared memory in /dev/shm/.com.google.Chrome.shGyWS failed: No space left on device (28)
[11:45] <jackneill> hey
[11:45] <jackneill> anyone familiar with dde/deepin? i installed it but when i start it from GDM, i got no dock down or up, the sideways menu isnt showing either. just a wallpaper, and the right click on it works.
[12:05] <Liblx> when i use sed with the argument 'input.txt > output.txt' it does not work to use the input also for the output. but i just want to change the file without writing to a new file. do i have to rename and delete afterwards. or is there a trick?
[12:05] <Liblx> thanks
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:19] <geirha> Liblx: just rename it over the old   sed '...' file.txt > file.txt.tmp && mv file.txt.tmp file.txt
[12:19] <geirha> GNU sed has a -i to do "in-place editing". It basically just does the same under the hood; writes to a new file, then moves it over the original. You end up with a new file either way.
[12:28] <whatismanem> @Drone
[12:28] <whatismanem> drone
[12:31] <whatismanem_> dronos
[12:31] <whatismanem_> what you fly
[12:35] <rythmyft> Why Thunderbird 78.x isn't available on Ubuntu 20.04.x?
[12:36] <Liblx> geirha: this is what i am doing at the moment. just thought i can do it easier in the future. thansk.
[12:46] <tarzeau__> rythmyft: it is with focal-updates ?
[12:47] <Abrax> uh codeamr
[12:47] <Abrax> your shiz is broken
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> rythmyft: and on snap thunderbird      78.12.0
[12:47] <rythmyft> tarzeau__: Yes, it is.
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> Abrax: can we help you?
[12:47] <rythmyft> lotuspsychje: I usually prefer `apt` to `snap`.
[12:48]  * tarzeau__ thought nobody is using snap, but i seem to be wrong
[12:54] <Abrax> dont need to help me
[12:54] <Abrax> CoDeAmRo keeps jumping on and off the network
[12:55] <Abrax> every few secs
[12:55] <Abrax> someone needs to help him with their internet
[12:56] <tarzeau__> how?
[12:57] <Abrax> maybe you dont see it
[12:57] <Abrax> but it just happened again
[13:02] <ravage> pro tip: hide join/part messages
[13:10] <SnoopJ> the best 'help' is usually a ban-forward to ##fix-your-connection or somesuch.
[13:10] <SnoopJ> Weechat's smart filter is nice, it hides join/parts from people who haven't spoken in N minutes on mine (N=30)
[13:11] <SnoopJ> and works retroactively, too, you'll see the join for a new user when/if they pipe up
[13:11] <BluesKaj> most irc clients have that option
[13:12] <SnoopJ> maybe I never found it in hexchat/irssi, I always just turned them off-off
[13:16] <BluesKaj> konversation has, dunno that fugly quassel since I don't use it
[13:18] <rbasak> On irssi I have changed the colours so that joins and parts appear in dark grey. So I can mostly ignore them easily.
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> same here rbasak but on hexchat
[13:20] <SnoopJ> I toggle them back on sometimes with the keyboard shortcut for suppressing the filter
[14:29] <kerfluffy> hi
[14:29] <kerfluffy> i have an issue with my microSD card. e2fsck -fccky finds quite a few blocks that it can't write to. is there a way to repair them?
[14:30] <oerheks> kerfluffy, short answer; no
[14:31] <oerheks> one could do a low level format, but thos blocks will appear again
[14:31] <kerfluffy> right. do you know what the best path forward might be?
[14:31] <oerheks> buy a new one
[14:31] <kerfluffy> darn
[14:31] <oerheks> .. and bad blocks grow.
[14:32] <kerfluffy> i use it inside an orangepi. is it the pi that destroys the SD or does the SD card itself have quality issues?
[14:33] <kerfluffy> can the writing device cause bad blocks?
[14:33] <lewdua> sd cards wear out with usage
[14:33] <kerfluffy> it's only 2 years old
[14:33] <oerheks> uncertain, quality of the card, or user did damage, switching ooff/on while writing
[14:34] <lewdua> for using sd cards as storage, its best to use a distro that runs 100% from ram
[14:35] <leftyfb> kerfluffy: what brand is it?
[14:35] <kerfluffy> i don't think that's feasible on a small SBC
[14:35] <kerfluffy> leftyfb it's a sandisk
[14:35] <leftyfb> kerfluffy: contact them to get it RMA'd. Don't mention linux or the pi.
[14:36] <kerfluffy> right
[14:36] <kerfluffy> i suppose there had been quite a few IO when it swapped to disk
[14:37] <leftyfb> kerfluffy: don't use swap on an sd card. That's just begging for problems
[14:37] <kerfluffy> leftyfb hmm so, should i swap to a USB drive instead?
[14:38] <leftyfb> kerfluffy: don't swap. The pi isn't meant to be a powerhouse. Work within it's means
[14:39] <kerfluffy> it's only because i run headless selenium on it
[15:42] <jelly> kerfluffy, a proper SSD or HDD on usb would survive that usage better than a random sd card.  Before adding more real swap, try zram+swap first.
[15:44] <kerfluffy> jelly yeah, thought so. should have used the USB drive for swap
[15:44] <kerfluffy> i've already tried zram+swap
[15:44] <jelly> if your sbc has sata, connect a disk to that instead of usb
[15:45] <kerfluffy> i'm afraid it doesn't. it's an old SBC
[15:45] <jelly> so's my cubieboard but it has sata
[15:46] <kerfluffy> mine's an orangepi pc2
[15:48] <jelly> so a newer allwinner soc on it, but in some aspects even worse than mine
[15:48] <jelly> also only 1GiB RAM
[15:49] <kerfluffy> jelly how old is your board?
[15:51] <jelly> that one was... 2014 or '15
[15:52] <kerfluffy> nice
[15:52] <kerfluffy> mine's like 2017 i think
[16:19] <Ali-Karam> is there a way to read the Xorg.log live while it's working on another tty ?
[16:21] <leftyfb> Ali-Karam: tail -f ?
[16:21] <Ali-Karam> thanks
[16:37] <atal181> Hello everyone, how can I install Ubuntu 20.04 desktop variant  using pxe?
[16:41] <mybalzitch> atal181: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1235723/automated-20-04-server-installation-using-pxe-and-live-server-image
[16:50] <atal181> I have gone through this guide but it doesn't start desktop image installation.
[16:54] <brotherBox> Hi. I'm using Ubuntu with systemd-boot. To decrypt a cryptdevice on startup I pass the cryptdevice=/dev/nvme0n1p4 parameter. (I'm not sure if I can pass a UUID here) However, the initrd seems to ignore that parameter. There is a crypttab file containing the UUID of my crypt partition, but that seems to get ignored. What can I do to fix this?
[16:56] <brotherBox> Apologies, I was gone for a moment
[16:56] <leftyfb> atal181: try https://newbedev.com/how-can-current-ubuntu-versions-be-installed-via-pxe-network-boot-and-an-automated-installation
[17:06] <VIA> someone here familiar with  psensors  ?
[17:07] <VIA> *-s its not plural
[17:10] <atal181> leftyfb: mybalzitch thank you
[17:17] <Lutin> hi guys,when I stop systemd-resolved does /etc/resolv.conf vanish then ? I don't have any right to change/make one as well
[17:18] <leftyfb> Lutin: why stop systemd-resolved?
[17:19] <Lutin> leftyfb because I rund my own dns server in a docker container
[17:19] <Lutin> *run
[17:20] <leftyfb> Lutin: ok? systemd-resolved isn't a DNS server. It's a local resolver that points to whatever DNS server you want
[17:20] <Lutin> leftyfb which is running on port 53
[17:21] <leftyfb> Lutin: why do you need a local dns server is a docker container?
[17:21] <brotherBox> Hi, I was here a moment ago asking about my initrd apparently ignoring my cryptdevice.
[17:21] <Lutin> leftyfb that's not the quesion, I need one
[17:22] <leftyfb> Lutin: might I sugest installing said DNS server in an lxd container, that wait you can just point to the ip of the container and all is well
[17:22] <cbreak> that should work for docker too I think...
[17:22] <Lutin> leftyfb I can but the container won't start as the resolver is already running on port 53
[17:22] <cbreak> if you configure the thing correctly
[17:23] <cbreak> Lutin: can't you use a different port or different IP?
[17:23] <leftyfb> Lutin: huh? The lxd container doesn't care what services are running on your machine
[17:23] <Lutin> cbreak IP, not it's DNS, and IP...not either
[17:23] <Lutin> leftyfb if you map them it does
[17:23] <Lutin> leftyfb stop using lxd ;)
[17:23] <cbreak> dns can work on any port
[17:23] <leftyfb> Lutin: to answer your original question, just remove the /etc/resolv.conf file and create your own. But I feel you are going about this the wrong way
[17:24] <leftyfb> Lutin: good luck
[17:24] <Lutin> cbreak no it can't or do you tell all your clients to query on some other port ?
[17:24] <cbreak> yes
[17:24] <cbreak> obviously
[17:24] <Lutin> cbreak horrible
[17:24] <cbreak> clients have to use the port you use or it won't work
[17:24] <Lutin> leftyfb no going the perfect way
[17:24] <leftyfb> Lutin: use lxd, that is the better answer
[17:24] <cbreak> same with ip
[17:24] <Lutin> cbreak try to tell internal that
[17:24] <cbreak> clients have to use the ip address you use, or it won't work either
[17:25] <Lutin> leftyfb hell no docker/k8s all the way
[17:25] <cbreak> and you can use what ever ip address you want for your lxd container, or presumably docker container
[17:25] <Lutin> cbreak that is how rootservers work
[17:25] <leftyfb> cbreak: it's fine, let them do whatever they want. Can't convince everyone unfortunately
[17:25] <cbreak> I'm well aware that docker isn't as capable
[17:25] <Lutin> leftyfb if you don't know how it reay works you can't indeed
[17:25] <cbreak> but I think it does support some form of ip address abstraction :/
[17:26] <Lutin> cbreak as capable of what ?
[17:26] <cbreak> as lxd
[17:26] <Lutin> haha, LOL
[17:26] <cbreak> because obviously lxd supports this
[17:26] <Lutin> not when you MAP them
[17:26] <Lutin> but it seems you never do
[17:26] <cbreak> my containers have their own IP addresses
[17:26] <cbreak> several of them
[17:26] <Lutin> every container has
[17:26] <Lutin> always
[17:26] <Lutin> even in host mode
[17:27] <leftyfb> Lutin: good luck
[17:27] <cbreak> so the other computers on my lan, or in the case of one of them, other computers on the internet, can use that ip address
[17:27] <cbreak> not the address of my actual computer
[17:27] <leftyfb> can't figure out how to remove a symlink but is going to lecture us on how dns works
[17:27] <Lutin> leftyfb no worries, already had a lot... so this one will be tackled as well. thanks!
[17:27] <cbreak> obviously, ports won't collide there
[17:28] <Abrax> thas sexy
[17:28] <Lutin> leftyfb if you think I removed it you don't know at al how the local resolver works
[17:28] <Lutin> says enough
[17:28] <Lutin> later
[17:54] <beeneez> hi
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> welcome beeneez
[17:57] <beeneez> how connect to irc.libera.chat
[17:57] <beeneez> ?
[17:57] <mybalzitch> aren't you there already?
[17:57] <leftyfb> beeneez: you are in #ubuntu which is an ubuntu support channel on the liberanet network.
[17:58] <ipatrol> Ok, see if this works
[17:58] <ipatrol> Testing, testing 123, mic check please?
[17:59] <leftyfb> ipatrol: this is not the place for that.
[17:59] <leftyfb> ipatrol: feel feel to join or create an almost infinite amount of channels for your testing
[17:59] <ipatrol> Oh good, it works. No, I do have an Ubuntu question
[17:59] <ipatrol> I just needed to make sure my client was working first
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> lets hear it ipatrol
[18:00] <ipatrol> Ok, I just got a new laptop. Is it remotely sane or sensible to transfer my partitions over to the new device and boot from them instead of the more usual reinstalling from scratch and just coping the user directory?
[18:00] <ipatrol> *copying
[18:01] <oerheks> It can be done, also depends on what hardware..
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> ipatrol: what are both hd's sizes?
[18:02] <oerheks> but 15 minutes and you have a fresh ubuntu, copying could take an hour or more
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> +1 oerheks
[18:03] <ipatrol> The HDDs are of somewhat different sizes, but the new one is larger, and contains a Windows partition. I assume Grub would have to be configured from scratch.
[18:04] <ipatrol> oerheks: The amount of work I have put into configuring my installation to be the way I want it is far more than an hour.
[18:06] <oerheks> just understand that partitions on the new hdd, will have a new UUID. and if you have non-uefi and the windows is with uefi, you have a problem
[18:06] <leftyfb> ipatrol: you should spend that tie writing an ansible playbook which will do all that for you so reinstalling and getting back to where you are is well under an hour
[18:06] <oerheks> i would do a fresh install, and any configuration ( in your home) should work fine
[18:07] <ipatrol> leftyfb: I'm not even sure if I know how to do a lot of the work I've done. Some of it took extensive messing around and reading docs.
[18:07] <leftyfb> ipatrol: you'd be surprised how easy it is to get back to your preferences and that there's a lot of changes you never actually needed or used
[18:08] <leftyfb> ipatrol: what version of ubuntu?
[18:08] <ipatrol> Kubuntu, latest major version I believe
[18:08] <leftyfb> ipatrol: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:09] <ipatrol> I have something else running full screen on the laptop ATM
[18:09] <ipatrol> but let me see if I can alt-f2...
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> we used to have a handy aptoncd, but not sure whats alyternate for that these days
[18:09] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: that only gets you part of the way
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[18:10] <ipatrol> https://termbin.com/csxaa
[18:11] <ipatrol> I also have 15 separate partitions involving 2 OSes on LVM
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> fresh install as oerheks adviced
[18:13] <leftyfb> ipatrol: sounds like an unnecessary mess that should be cleaned up
[18:14] <ipatrol> Some of it is the way it is because of specific properties of the software I use
[18:15] <leftyfb> ipatrol: what software?
[18:15] <ipatrol> AWIPS CAVE and Mathematica stand out in particular
[18:18] <leftyfb> ipatrol: I know mathematica doesn't require a separate partition to run. And nothing I'm seeing about AWIPS seems to mention it being a requirement either
[18:18] <ipatrol> leftyb: AWIPS can only run on CentOS or RHEL, hence the need for the second Osares10
[18:18] <ipatrol> *leftyfb
[18:19] <leftyfb> you mentioned 15 partitions
[18:19] <ipatrol> Also, stupid autocomplete, I meant OS
[18:22] <ipatrol> sda1 contains my NTFS files from an older system, sda2 contains the EFI partition, sda3 contains /boot for Ubuntu, sda4 contains Ubuntu's LVM, sda5 contains the (shared between the OSes) /home directory, sda6 contains CentOS's /boot, sda7 contains CentOS's LVM, sda8 contains another LVM extent.
[18:24] <ipatrol> sda4's LVM partitions contain one for the main OS files, one for /var/backups (for isolation), /var (uses a different FS optimized for it), swap, /opt, and the non-shared /home.
[18:25] <ipatrol> The /home partition uses BTRFS, the /var partition uses XFS, and the others use ext4
[18:28] <ipatrol> Unlike my current laptop, the new device has both an HDD and an SDD, so I'd probably want to move some of those partitions to an extent on the SDD
[18:30] <ipatrol> The Ubuntu installation is also peppered with a number of additional repositiories, including the ones for Kxstudio, which took a fair amount of work to get it to blend with Ubuntu.
[18:32] <tarzeau__> i've had a friend from sweden orebro here in #ubuntu i think. but i don't remember his nick, maybe someone can help?
[18:34] <leftyfb> tarzeau__: sorry, no
[18:34] <ipatrol> Also there are various config options changed, including re-enabling the SysRq keys, swappiness, security limits to allow larger applications to function, the installation of zram to optimize the use of swap space, and other bits of tuning. A diff between my /etc and a stock one would probably be substantial.
[18:35] <leftyfb> ipatrol: all of that last stuff can be done with ansible
[18:35] <oerheks> 30+ minutes, you would be configuring your Kubuntu now
[18:36] <leftyfb> ipatrol: otherwise, you're just going to have to figure this out all over again the next time you upgrade
[18:36] <ipatrol> Mathematica and AWIPS take an hour to install each
[18:36] <ipatrol> Steam is another hour
[18:37] <leftyfb> ipatrol: we are specifically talking about applications and settings on ubuntu. We cannot support anything else here. (Steam does not take an hour to install)
[18:37] <ipatrol> No, but it does when you include the games
[18:38] <leftyfb> ipatrol: good luck
[18:38] <ipatrol> Sounds like I'll need it!
[18:41] <webchat37> i installed kde on ubuntu with `sudo apt install kde-plasma-desktop` , i noticed it messed with the normal ubuntu desktop envirnment so i removed kde but now my ubuntu desktop is a mess with missing icons, dodgy screen size, etc. Is there a way to reinstall the ubuntu (gnome) desktop without doing a full distro install
[18:43] <brotherBox> My initrd appears to ignore my cryptdevice=<device> instruction; any idea why that could be?
[18:44] <oerheks> webchat37, chroot the install with a live ubuntu iso, and reinstall . adding a desktop is fun, but removing one can be interesting
[18:45] <oerheks> * reinstall with the current packages,
[18:49] <JoeLlama> Hi there.  Ubuntu said it was upgrading to 20.04 and now the file system is whack.  I fsck and fixed it now it's still whack.  Need to copy off my .thunderbird directory using live USB boot but it says permission denied. How do I copy this directory so I can reinstall?
[18:50] <Ali-Karam> tried coping it as root?
[18:50] <JoeLlama> how do I become root on live CD?  I tried blank and it doesn't work
[18:51] <leftyfb> JoeLlama: sudo su
[18:51] <JoeLlama> oh! lemme try :)
[18:53] <JoeLlama> yay! :)
[18:53] <JoeLlama> thanks leftyfb
[18:54] <JoeLlama> now if I wanna keep my settings for firefox what directories do I copy?
[18:54] <oerheks> .mozilla
[18:54] <JoeLlama> o k ! that's what I thought
[18:55] <JoeLlama> neat :)  k bye
[18:56] <leftyfb> JoeLlama: btw, an ubuntu release upgrade should not make a filesystem "whack". Something else was at play. Might want to run some hardware/drive tests (beyond fsck)
[18:56] <leftyfb> or not
[18:56] <Ali-Karam> heheh
[19:03] <Steeve> Is anyone using the Microsoft teams client on Ubuntu? Wondering if anyone else experienced a breakage today
[19:04] <tarzeau__> no. it never has worked for me, not on ubuntu, not on macos
[19:04] <Steeve> haha sounds about right
[19:04] <Steeve> thanks anyways
[19:05] <oerheks> check their status page
[19:16] <beeneez> hi
[19:16] <beeneez> i have this problem https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=324520
[19:16] <oerheks> oh we love mint issues..
[19:17] <oerheks> beeneez, find the real mint channel, thanks!
[19:17] <Sven_vB> hi :) is this a good channel for support with Gnumeric 1.12.46 on Ubuntu focal 64?
[19:19] <oerheks> Sven_vB, yes?
[19:19] <Sven_vB> I try to make a map. I have columns North, East and Name, managed to make an X/Y plot but can't get labels to work. It only shows one location name, all the other location markers have no visible label. what could be the problem?
[19:22] <oerheks> 300+ entries for the word label .. https://help.gnome.org/users/gnumeric/stable/gnumeric.html
[19:32] <Sven_vB> seems the manual is out of date. the "Data labels1" graph element has as its data range fields "Custom labels" and "Separator", but full text search on the manual cannot find any "custom label"
[19:49] <Sven_vB> does Ubuntu focal have other nice programs for making maps from such data? GNU plot can probably do it somehow but it looks complicated
[19:51] <Unit193> If you mean mindmap, then vym.
[19:51] <SnoopJ> North/East sounds more like spatial mapping than a mind map
[19:51] <Unit193> Ah crap, I didn't see his earlier messages, sorry.
[19:53] <matsaman> Sven_vB: what kind of data?
[19:54] <Sven_vB> nevermind, I found the mistake in Gnumeric
[19:54] <Sven_vB> the area definition for my X column had multiple columns
[19:56] <Sven_vB> matsaman, North, East and Name
[19:56] <Sven_vB> however, marker color from data would also be nice.
[19:58] <matsaman> Sven_vB: and who is going to be consuming these plots?
[20:03] <Sven_vB> just me.
[20:03] <Sven_vB> maybe I make screenshots for others
[20:21] <apb1963> I just hooked up an external hdd enclosure.  20.04 wants to mount all of the partitions.  How do I prevent that please?
[20:42] <apb1963> Second Q.  One of the partitions I mounted is my /home .  I mounted that partition on /home which has seen some use.  Not too surprisingly some applications are not happy.  firefox & libreoffice for example.  Is there a good way to fix this?
[20:45] <ahh_> g
[20:45] <oerheks>   20.04 wants to mount all of the partitions .. it finds them, but does not mount untill you click it
[20:46] <apb1963> hmmmm.  Then why do they show up in /etc/mtab ?
[20:46] <oerheks>  and you mounted that partition on /home. i would let it stay on /media for external removable storage
[20:48] <apb1963> df also shows them all mounted
[20:48] <oerheks> mtab is for things like your ext hdd, fstab is for boot.
[20:48] <oerheks> so, what is your real issue?
[20:48] <oerheks> firefox barks over your old mozilla folder?
[20:49] <apb1963> There are 2 issues.ssssssss  1) Everything gets mounted.  Takes forever.  I want to stop that.  2) firefox and libreoffice (so far that's all I've tried) complain.  Libreoffice won't recover certain files.
[20:49] <apb1963> Actually LO is frozen attempting to recover a small file.
[20:50] <apb1963> s/.ssssssss//
[20:50] <EriC^> show us /etc/fstab
[20:50] <oerheks> then don't mount it in your /home,  logically
[20:51] <oerheks> run a fsck on that filesystem
[20:52] <apb1963> EriC^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Gq6Yxn5h2H/
[20:53] <apb1963> oerheks, If I don't mount it as /home then it won't be my /home, logically.  That doesn't solve the problem.
[20:53] <EriC^> apb1963: copy the configs from your old home to the new one then, or just erase all "." folders in your home and let the programs create new ones
[20:55] <apb1963> Let me add some background.  My PC has a hardware issue - motherboard or cpu or psu I have not had time to figure it out.  So, I bought an external enclosure, hooked up those disks to this laptop I'm lucky to have and here we are.
[20:55] <apb1963> EriC^, sounds pretty good.... but what about crashed files from LO?  I probably don't need the recovery files, but if I do?
[20:56] <oerheks> i see no line with your ext hdd in your fstab, so they are just hot mounted partitions, and should end up in /media
[20:56] <apb1963> oerheks, UUID=19a96e7b-3988-4a6d-a50a-f813b0a16596 /home ext4 defaults  0        2
[20:56] <EriC^> apb1963: i'd save a backup of current . folders if there's recovery stuff going on
[20:58] <apb1963> EriC^, LO froze on one of the files... I think it was from a telegram download that may have failed.   OK, let me follow your directions.  Thank you!
[21:00] <apb1963> EriC^, Actually... there may be "recovery stuff' going on, on both drives.  Guess I'll start by saving the current mounted drive.
[21:02] <pycurious> Anyone knows why this PPA is failing : https://imgur.com/a/u1c1Fqu
[21:03] <eggbean> Just like my last install of 20.10, 21.04 seems to have broken location services. Does `sudo systemctl status geoclue.service` come up with a load of failure notices for everyone else?
[21:04] <oerheks> why not give us  tool-chain-r test ?
[21:05] <eggbean> Could I have some people confirming this? Or otherwise?
[21:05] <oerheks> for focal there is just gcc-11
[21:06] <oerheks> and this for bionic 18.04 .. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/test?field.series_filter=bionic
[21:11] <pycurious> oerheks:  how do. i make that work for 20.04? any suggestions
[21:13] <oerheks> if you need gcc10 on focal, disable ppa and use the packages from the repo ?
[21:14] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-10
[21:29] <pycurious> oerheks: Thanks
[21:47] <shailangsa> does anybody know of a good desktop environment closes to windows, GNOME seems off?
[21:48] <matsaman> GNOME is preconfigured to be more like macOS, but with little tweaking you can make it more like Windows
[21:48] <matsaman> KDE is more like Windows out of the box
[21:48] <matsaman> and Xfce can be like either pretty simply
[21:48] <matsaman> keep in mind that the new Windows ... 11? is even more of a macOS ripoff than older versions of Windows
[21:49] <genii> shailangsa: If you're using Linux for the first time coming from Windows, KDE will probably seem the most familiar to use
[21:49] <shailangsa> xubuntu is a desktop environment only?
[21:50] <genii> shailangsa: The different variations of *buntu use different Desktop Environments, Xubuntu uses XFCE
[21:51] <genii> shailangsa: But underneath they all use the same Ubuntu core
[21:51] <legend> Xubuntu uses XFCE, Kubuntu uses KDE, Lubuntu uses LXQt and the regular Ubuntu uses a modified GNOME desktop environment
[21:51] <genii> shailangsa: You can install a different Desktop Environment on any of them
[21:51] <oerheks> !flavors
[21:52] <oerheks> adding a desktop is oke, but removing one can be interesting.
[21:53] <genii> shailangsa: The package names for the different desktops are named after their respective distribution names like xubuntu-desktop, lubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop and so on
[21:53] <genii> oerheks: Aye, the peril of metapackages
[21:54] <shailangsa> any reason to use ubuntu without a desktop environment?
[21:55] <matsaman> as a human being, no
[21:55] <oerheks> tell us, how 'without desktop environment'looks like?
[21:55] <matsaman> to run a server, yes
[21:56] <oerheks> you mean server/cli?
[21:56] <matsaman> if you are sitting in front of the computer and using it, that is a 'desktop' use case
[21:56] <matsaman> some people will also roll their own out of separate, disparate window managers and things
[21:56] <matsaman> and make their own, unique "desktop environment" that isn't a prepackaged one
[21:57] <oerheks> grinn, there are even games for TTY
[21:59] <shailangsa> it seems ubuntu server comes without a desktop environtment, perhaps it's differentiated to other server distros by its apt package manager?
[22:00] <matsaman> shailangsa: yes, the package manager is the single greatest difference in most distros
[22:00] <matsaman> although Ubuntu is based off Debian
[22:01] <matsaman> and depends on Debian, which also uses apt
[22:01] <leftyfb> shailangsa: ubuntu server does not come with a desktop environment installed, only available for installation
[22:07] <shailangsa> is there a remote desktop program with ubuntu similar to microsoft's or just use anydesk?
[22:08] <jelen> hi
[22:12] <genii> shailangsa: Most people lately are just using TeamViewer
[22:12] <genii> ( which works across all platforms)
[22:14] <leftyfb> shailangsa: RDP is available on ubuntu, though not all that great. Same for VNC. These both require being on the local network or poking holes in your firewall which is not recommended. As for 3rd party services, both teamvirwer and anydesk are available. There are others as well.
[22:18] <genii> If you only require running specific applications you can also do an SSH tunnel with X forwarding
[22:18] <leftyfb> not with a default 21.04 install
[22:18] <genii> Wayland?
[22:18] <leftyfb> yep
[22:18] <genii> meh
[22:19]  * srv running ubuntu apps on windows:P
[22:19] <shailangsa> ssh is only terminal based and doesn't provide a GUI?
[22:19]  * srv through wsl2 &wslg
[22:19] <leftyfb> shailangsa: what are you looking to accomplish exactly?
[22:20] <shailangsa> need to access a remote ubuntu server ?
[22:21] <leftyfb> shailangsa: use ssh
[22:21] <leftyfb> shailangsa: a server should be managed through commandline. Unless you have a specific application that requires a GUI, which is unlikely
[22:22] <shailangsa> need GUI so it seems anydesk will be the one as its free
[22:22] <leftyfb> shailangsa: why do you need a GUI?
[22:23] <shailangsa> need to run virtualbox within it
[22:23] <leftyfb> shailangsa: why?
[22:26] <shailangsa> to restore a virtualbox guest which contains all the  android source code and build artifacts so i can do incremental builds
[22:27] <leftyfb> shailangsa: you should look into KVM which you can manage remotely over ssh using your local virt-manager
[22:28] <shailangsa> the dedicated server provider provides a java applet kvm but it doesn't seem to read my clipboard as im on windows so will have to use anydesk or similar
[23:05] <shailangsa> is there a resource monitor for ubuntu and kde plasma desktop environment like windows task manager has?
[23:07] <matsaman> shailangsa: yeah tons of them
[23:07] <shailangsa> within ubuntu, to see ram/cpu/disk usage?
[23:07] <leftyfb> shailangsa: htop
[23:07] <Tech_8> sup
[23:08] <matsaman> shailangsa: ksysguard, gnome system monitor, lxtask, xfce task manager
[23:08] <leftyfb> shailangsa: if you open the software store in ubuntu, it has a search. Feel free to type in "resource monitor" or other like terms and try out some of the results
[23:13] <matsaman> 's'good advice
[23:14] <shailangsa> thought there would be one in built on ubuntu server
[23:14] <matsaman> 'top' is
[23:14] <matsaman> most likely
[23:14] <matsaman> or 'ps'
[23:15] <matsaman> you should not have a graphical desktop on a server
[23:16] <shailangsa> its running sluggish a bit, perhaps its due to the xeon's?
[23:16] <genii> leftyfb: There's also lots of plasma widgets built in for this
[23:19] <leftyfb> shailangsa: it's due to a GUI running on a server
[23:20] <shailangsa> hardware or software cause?#
[23:34] <tomreyn> shailangsa: we doin't know which server hardware you have there exactly, so it's not possible to tell whether it's a hardware cause that your graphical user interface feels sluggish. commonly, one would not run a graphical desktop or any graphical software on a server, since it (a) is a general waste of resources which could be used better and (b) it increases the attack surface (and not just marginally when using Xorg)
[23:38] <shailangsa> it's running Intel Xeon E3-1230v6 - 4c/ 8 t - 3.5GHz / 3.9GHz and 64GB RAM albeit with 2x2TB HDD SATA Soft RAID , so don't think it's a hardware issue
[23:46] <tomreyn> shailangsa: E3-1230v6 has not integrated graphics. if this is actual server hardware, it will probably have a very limited onboard graphics chipset, just enough for running a remote management interface (OOB/IPMI/BMC).
[23:47] <tomreyn> i.e. expected behaviour then.   lspci -knnd ::0300    should report on the graphics chipset
[23:49] <eggbean> Just like my last install of 20.10, 21.04 seems to have broken location services. Does `sudo systemctl status geoclue.service` come up with a load of failure notices for everyone else?
[23:49] <eggbean> Could I have some people confirming this? Or otherwise?
[23:50] <tomreyn> you could try looking for reports of it being broken on the ubuntu bugtracker at launchpad.net
[23:51] <shailangsa> it seems dedicated servers most of which run on xeon are the only high spec machines available to build android remotely
[23:51] <eggbean> tomreyn: is it working for you?
[23:51] <tomreyn> fortunately not
[23:51] <tomreyn> i don't want it to work
[23:52] <eggbean> tomreyn: so it is broken for you as well and the weather appa and timezone cannot be set to auto-location?
[23:53] <tomreyn> eggbean: i'm not running any of the releases you mentioned, and if i would, i would not be running geoclue.service there, on purpose. i cannot tell whether it would or would not work on these releases.
[23:53] <eggbean> Is this broken for everybody then? At the moment it seems that it is, even though web search doesn't bring much up