[00:57] <leftyfb> eggbean: what failures?
[00:58] <eggbean> leftyfb: http://sprunge.us/cRhG45
[00:58] <leftyfb> eggbean: pretty sure you can ignore those
[00:59] <eggbean> Yeah, but the service isn't working
[00:59] <eggbean> It also messes up syslog
[01:00] <tomreyn> which ubuntu release are you running on this system whose hostname is "pop-os"?
[01:00] <leftyfb> eggbean: cat /etc/issue | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:00] <leftyfb> actually, sorry
[01:00] <leftyfb> eggbean: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:00] <oerheks> same here, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vPjRr829kw/
[01:01] <oerheks> but no need for sudo to see status
[01:01] <leftyfb> I also get the same but the service is running just fine and location services also works fine
[01:01] <oerheks> maybe popos does something different
[01:01] <leftyfb> on ubuntu 20.04
[01:01] <eggbean> yeah, I had ^restart^status
[01:01] <eggbean> earlier
[01:02] <leftyfb> eggbean: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:03] <eggbean> leftyfb: It works fine? So if you set the weather app to automatically find your location and set time/date to autoset timezone, you get the correct location, as I always get Nicosia in Cyprus, when I live in London, UK
[01:04] <eggbean> https://termbin.com/te5td
[01:05] <leftyfb> eggbean: yes
[01:05] <leftyfb> eggbean: if you install ubuntu, it'll probably work as it does on mine
[01:05] <leftyfb> eggbean: good luck
[01:06] <oerheks> in gnome-settings > privacy > location service it says turned off.
[01:06] <eggbean> I wanted to determine if it was a pop_os problem or ubuntu or debian
[01:07] <oerheks> hint to get it working https://askubuntu.com/questions/1273726/how-do-i-disable-the-location-in-gnome-maps
[01:09] <eggbean> oerheks: Where? I have confirmed that it is enabled
[01:10] <leftyfb> !popos | eggbean
[01:11] <leftyfb> eggbean: sorry, but popos is not supported here. It's not Ubuntu and we have no way of knowing what the differences are and how they could affect your experience
[01:12] <oerheks> i am not sure, i think i got the geo question while installing, but popos can do things different
[01:12] <oerheks> 21.04
[01:12] <eggbean> There would have been no point in doing that if the problem was upstream. Had some on launchpad say the same about a problem for some other software that did turn out to be from upstream
[01:12] <leftyfb> eggbean: install Ubuntu and we'll be happy to help. But I can probably guarantee you if you install 20.04 it'll work like it does on
[01:12] <eggbean> someone
[01:13] <leftyfb> mine
[01:13] <oerheks> good luck!
[01:13] <eggbean> leftyfb: Well that was what I was here to determine
[01:51] <guiverc> eggbean, it's working for me; reports up 1 week 2 days; but you're off-topic here
[01:52] <eggbean> okay, so I know it works in ubuntu now
[01:55] <michaelrose> Does anyone with Emacs installed want to pastebin the contents of "/usr/share/metainfo/emacs.appdata.xml"
[02:03] <matsaman> michaelrose: you can probably get that right out of the .deb at packages.ubuntu.com, deb2targz, tar -xf
[02:03] <matsaman> and y'know I'm sure there's some magic apt command to re-obtain it also
[02:14] <Trados> Good day. A newbie here. Wanted to ask if it is possible to run a command at startup on Ubuntu 20.04 prior to the binding of the gpu kernel module, whether it is nouvou or amdgpu ?
[02:18] <matsaman> possible yes, but you might have to hunt down the particulars
[02:19] <Trados> @matsaman Glad to hear. I'd appreciate any pointers and I'd go ahead and research it.
[02:19] <matsaman> Trados: what command did you have in mind?
[02:19] <oerheks> what command exactly?
[02:20] <Trados> the command is setpci
[02:20] <matsaman> to do what
[02:22] <Trados> In a nutshell, that Ubuntu machine is running as a virtual machine. the gpu is AMD and it is plagued by the reset-bug. The only way to reset it is by using setpci prior to amdgpu binding to the gpu
[02:23] <oerheks> oke, write a systemD unit, like this
[02:23] <oerheks> https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/cb8kh7/setpci_across_reboot/
[02:23] <oerheks> ExecStart=/usr/bin/setpci ...
[02:23] <oerheks> writye it to /etc/systemd/system/<yourservice>
[02:24] <Trados> That is a great idea. I will test that out. Thanks oerheks
[02:24] <oerheks> enable whatever.service makes it work on boot, start whatever.service does it directly
[02:24] <oerheks> have fun!
[02:32] <Trados> I will try to run it before sysinit.target and see if that would execute setpci before the amdgpu kernel module bind to the pci device.
[02:35] <oerheks> hmm yes, if multi-user target does not work
[02:37] <oerheks> WantedBy=display-manager.service
[03:04] <Guest8483> Is this a good place for noob questions?
[03:05] <matsaman> Guest8483: sure
[03:05] <Guest8483> cool, I am having problems with my crontab and i don't know how to diagnose the issue
[03:06] <matsaman> what're you putting in cron tab?
[03:06] <Guest8483> one sec, I am making a pastebin
[03:07] <Guest8483> https://pastebin.com/UpBPCmLX
[03:08] <Guest8483> It is a miecraft server, basically, I want it to restart minecraft on reboot and doa few other tasks on a timer ... some of the stuff works, but the reboot does not
[03:09] <Guest8483> ALL of the commands work when entered manually, just not in crontab
[03:11] <Guest8483> I thought it might be a permissions issue, but adding the commands to the root crontab didn't help
[03:12] <leftyfb> Guest8483: you really should use systemd, not cron for this
[03:12] <Guest8483> OK, what is that?
[03:13] <Guest8483> and how is it differnt?
[03:13] <leftyfb> Guest8483: are you using mcrcon?
[03:13] <Guest8483> no
[03:14] <Guest8483> I am a novice
[03:15] <leftyfb> Guest8483: https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Tutorials/Server_startup_script
[03:15] <leftyfb> though, there's a LOT going on there
[03:16] <leftyfb> Guest8483: https://gist.github.com/dotStart/ea0455714a0942474635
[03:16] <Guest8483> Yeah, i am thinking that could get messed up/broken really easily
[03:16] <leftyfb> you'll need to edit this with your working directory and such
[03:17] <Guest8483> any ideas why the commands are not working in crontab?
[03:19] <leftyfb> running screen in cron is never a good idea
[03:19] <leftyfb> cron isn't the right place for this anyway, it should be a systemd service file that you can manage
[03:21] <Guest8483> I am trying to learn about linux a bit, could you tell a bit about why that is?
[03:21]  * enyc meows leftyfb Guest8483 masita 
[03:22] <leftyfb> cron is really only meant for running simple scripts on a schedule. On boot is an afterthough and anything more complex than a script should be a service file
[03:22] <enyc> leftyfb: can be called from /etc/rc.local too...
[03:22] <leftyfb> cron is really only meant for running simple scripts on a schedule. On boot is an afterthough and anything more complex than a script should be a service file
[03:23] <leftyfb> enyc: yes, that's a service file, but the predecessor to systemd which is the modern version of that
[03:23] <leftyfb> that is*
[03:23] <leftyfb> was
[03:25] <SnoopJ> runcontrol-senpai
[03:25] <leftyfb> SnoopJ: ?
[03:25] <leftyfb> wrong window?
[03:26] <SnoopJ> nope
[03:26] <Guest8483> Also, how come this channel blocks VPNs ?
[03:26] <SnoopJ> that's what the rc is, innit? run control?
[03:27] <leftyfb> Guest8483: it doesn't
[03:27] <leftyfb> Guest8483: please don't PM
[03:28] <leftyfb> Guest8483: feel free to go to #libera for help with IRC
[03:28] <Guest8483> i wasn't trying to, I don't know the commands here
[03:28] <SnoopJ> Could be that your VPN is in one of the SASL-only ranges. I think that's still a thing
[07:09] <brotherBox> My initrd appears to ignore my cryptdevice=<device> instruction; any idea why that could be?
[07:50] <Guest23> base-passwd is unable to upgrade reporting 'Error writing group-entry: Invalid argument' on 21.04, any help?
[08:27] <grtestuser> clear
[09:06] <alzgh> ubuntu focal, when I set LANG env var to "es_ES.UTF-8" messages are still in English. Like messages by `ls` . What do I need to install for that?
[09:10] <dan86> alzgh: did you "sudo localctl set-locale en_US.UTF-8" ?
[09:11] <dan86> en_ES*
[09:11] <dan86> es_ES* :D ... sorry, i'm a bit hungover
[09:12] <alzgh> dan86 No, I'm trying to test it on a line as follows: `LANG=es_ES.UTF-8 ls ./tmp`
[09:12] <alzgh> This should temporarily set LANG to spanish for the following command
[09:13] <alzgh> It stayed English, so I assumed it's the fall back because I don't have Spanish.
[09:15] <dan86> so, what's your goal then?
[09:16] <alzgh> I'm learning bash, and want to check how the change of environment variables affects output.
[09:17] <alzgh> 1- setting the variable on a line before a command only has effect for that line.
[09:17] <alzgh> 2- Setting it on an independent line has effect for that session
[09:18] <alzgh> 3- exporting affects all descendant processes
[09:18] <alzgh> things like that :)
[09:24] <CyL> So, I'm willing to install Ubuntu on btrfs with full disk encryption. Is it supported out of the box?
[09:38] <alzgh> had to install language-pack-es-base
[09:42] <xb> hi##
[10:00] <tomreyn> CyL: I don't know. Personally, I would be very careful about using btrfs in any 'layered' scenario. I assume the server installer will be able to set this up for you (I don't think the desktop installer could).
[10:02] <CyL> tomreyn: what do you mean by 'layered' scenario?
[10:06] <CyL> Also, would you mind suggesting the most mature between btrfs or lvm? I have no personal preferences to this respect, I'd just like to use what is more reliable
[10:20] <tomreyn> CyL: layered as in multiple block device layers stacked up, i.e. btrfs on top of something else, such as dmcrypt-luks or software raid. but this is just me being careful, it may just be FUD.
[10:22] <tomreyn> Personally, I won't be using btrfs for any data that matters anytime soon just because of its past horror stories. This doesn't mean you cannot give it a try. If I needed a solution which provides similar to what LVM provides, I'd choose LVM.
[10:30] <CyL> tomreyn: I'd be looking more for the cow and snapshot features, but I may just as well go to the zfs side. And I could do full disk encryption using luks
[10:33] <tomreyn> CyL: if it helps: i know that ext4 on top of lvm on top of dmcrypt-luks on top of mdadm RAID-1 and -10 on top of partitions works fine.
[10:35] <CyL> tomreyn: yeah, I have done that too, and know it works quite well, but it'd still be missing snapshots
[10:36] <tomreyn> LVM can provide snapshots, though it's not the best implementation
[10:37] <CyL> tomreyn: I didn't know that. Does lvm also have send and receive features?
[10:37] <tomreyn> i.e. it works reliable within the limits of what it can do (i think those are documented)
[10:37] <tomreyn> i'm not familiar with send and receive features on a block device layer
[10:40] <tomreyn> you should probably just talk to seomeone else who is more experienced with what you're trying to do.
[10:43] <CyL> tomreyn: well, I appreciate your advice a great deal, I have been asking on #btrfs and #zfs too, people are usually very helpful, but since these are usually seen as "competing" with each other, it is hard to get unbiased info. Also there are matters of personal differences that are very difficult to judge.
[10:44] <CyL> I just want something that would work with the least effort, and allow me the flexibility all this provides.
[10:50] <tomreyn> CyL: if you need the features of zfs and are fine with the out-of-tree-ness and aware of possible opitfalls (some use cases don't work well) then use zfs. (i'd be fine to use zfs for a limited set of features on non production systems, maybe production systems, too.) if you need btrfs features and trust it enough then use that (maybe also after reviewing what is reported to work well). i would not recommend combinign either of these with other
[10:50] <tomreyn> block device layers unless it's well documented that these combinations are safe.
[10:51] <tomreyn> CyL: for everything i need stability for, i would stick to what the large distros use as defaults.
[10:52] <tomreyn> (or what their installers offer, and don't tag as "experimental")
[10:59] <TJ-> CyL: installer doesn't support it, but LUKS + btrfs is fine
[11:00] <TJ-> CyL: I'm at this moment installing a USB>GPT1/EFI-SP,USB>GPT2>LUKS1>/boot,USB>GPT3>LUKS2>LVM-VG>LVM-thinpool>LV-rootfs,LV-var,LV-home
[11:11] <henistein> Does anyone knows how to solve this problem? https://i.stack.imgur.com/9IOjz.png
[11:11] <henistein> my mic works well, but in ubuntu it is maxed with too much static noise
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> try a few tests with pavucontrol perhaps henistein
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> !info pavucontrol
[11:25] <henistein> alright I will try
[12:10] <CyL> tomreyn, TJ-: thanks fo rthe kind help and advice. I guess I'll just go with zfs. This is a production environment, but not a server. It's a ascientific workstation that will handle a lot of data, but can bear some downtime, and iso also expected to be shutdown when not in use.
[13:13] <pycode> hello
[13:13] <pycode> what is the best virtualization system to run a virtual machine with windows 10 ?
[13:15] <coconut> pycode, define "best"?
[13:17] <ravage> for me virt-manager is the "best" way to manage my VMs locally. but that really depends on your usecase
[13:17] <ravage> on a dedicated server i prefer proxmox
[13:55] <wonko[m]> For anyone who cares the solution to the BL2 issue was "reduce texture quality to medium is using the ultra HD DLC" due to newer versions of d9vk using more memory and exceeding the 32-bit address space available to the game.
[13:56] <wonko[m]>  * For anyone who cares the solution to the BL2 issue was "reduce texture quality to medium if using the ultra HD DLC" due to newer versions of d9vk using more memory and exceeding the 32-bit address space available to the game.
[14:00] <Guest9158> hi - can anyone please help me fix an issue with sound? I'm on ubuntu 20.04, I have alsa and pulseaudio and SoundBlaster 3 Play! usb. About two days ago I stopped hearing sound from my speakers.
[14:27] <amcsi> hey, if I have an ubuntu SSD drive and a windows HDD drive, and I have dual booting set up with the EFI partition being on the windows drive, and now I want to replace the windows HDD with a new SSD and install Windows on it, how to I get (dual)-booting working for my ubuntu again? the new EFI partition created by windows would only have the windows EFI bits on i
[14:27] <amcsi> t
[14:58] <tomreyn> TJ-: since you're putting /boot on LUKSv1, does grub in Ubuntu not support v2, yet? I was thinking I read a patch for v2 support had been merged into grub some years ago.
[14:59] <TJ-> tomreyn: Not yet. GRUB v2.06 has partial luks2 support /BUT/ no grub-install grub-probe support at all
[14:59] <tomreyn> oh, thanks, good to know
[14:59] <TJ-> it is also limited to pbkdf and can't use the argon algorithms
[15:00] <tomreyn> i see. well v1 for boot works well enough
[15:00] <TJ-> there's been patches waiting for over a year on the grub-devel mailing list for the initial probe support but the author isn't getting any feedback
[15:01] <tomreyn> that's in terms of code review, or testing, or both?
[15:01] <TJ-> there is also a bug in the current luks2 support - if a crypto device's hash contains a \ it is treated as an escape for the next character (this due to a bug in the JSON handling)
[15:01] <TJ-> tomreyn: both
[15:03] <TJ-> we were working on the latter JSON bug last week and Patrick finally nailed it down to the JSON handling and posted a patch to the list. We'll see how long it takes to filter through. So basically, unless you want unexpected breakage caused by any of the LUKSv2 key-slots, don't use luks2
[15:03] <tomreyn> thanks
[15:03] <TJ-> original detect support patches: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2020-05/msg00239.html
[15:04] <TJ-> JSON bug https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2021-08/msg00049.html
[15:06] <tomreyn> 🖤
[15:06] <TJ-> I've burnt myself twice today ... on USB devices!
[15:07] <tomreyn> ouch, better get some fans pointed at them. usbv3?
[15:08] <TJ-> Once on a LaCie XtremKey USB3 (all metal thankfully so had its own radiator)  I was installing Kubuntu to via VM, and again on USB3.1 external dock
[15:09] <FloofAgain> oh
[15:11] <TJ-> tomreyn: it's quite neat though, using LVM thin provisioning on USB device so despite whatever size the various file-systems are set to, extents only get allocated on use (makes splitting up with / /var/ /home/ so much easier) - kept /boot/ outside that due to GRUB maybe not liking being inside a thin pool
[15:11] <tomreyn> they can get ridiculously hot, i haven't had any plastics melting, yet, but some were too hot to touch really, even when they weren't actually doing anthing, just connected from a top usb mount, so free standing, not close to a vent
[15:12] <TJ-> It's amazing they don't literally melt or suffer thermal cracks due to expansion/contraction
[15:13] <TJ-> I'm just updating my USB Armory USB2 Secure SoC - that's easier and cooler!
[15:14] <tomreyn> it would be nice if there were also 'thin partitioning', then SSD firmwares would have more blocks to juggle around
[15:14] <ghost> I am new Here
[15:14] <tomreyn> hi ghost, welcome to Ubuntu support
[15:15] <Mekaneck> ghost: if you have a Ubuntu support question just ask, offtopic chit chat is in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:15] <ghost> ThankYou
[15:15] <Mekaneck> yw
[15:15] <ghost> but i exploring
[15:20] <grtestuser> i can chat
[15:20] <grtestuser> i can browse gnu.org
[15:21] <grtestuser> and i can look up results in google
[15:21] <tomreyn> grtestuser: hi, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[15:21] <grtestuser> linux
[15:21] <grtestuser> isnt ubuntu?
[15:22] <tomreyn> grtestuser: ubuntu is a linux distribution, linux is not ubuntu
[15:22] <leftyfb> grtestuser: feel free to chat in #ubuntu-oftopic. This is a support channel
[15:22] <leftyfb> sorry, #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:20] <o_O> i know its possible to stream to tv's but what program or what to install because im actaully trying to do it on lubuntu? i asked in #lubuntu but no luck there
[16:22] <WaV> google chrome has the ability to do that. i would imagine Chromium does as well. VLC also has the ability. i guess it also depends on what you watch
[16:22] <ogra> and on your TV too
[16:28] <o_O> i believe its just for chromecast. what im trying to do is cast to a samsung tv with vlc or through a file manager
[16:29] <o_O> vlc has a renderer setting but it doesnt pick up any tvs
[16:34] <MrKeuner> hello, is there a demo api package that I can install on my server to provide some demo endpoints?
[16:34] <MrKeuner> In the reposirroty...
[16:35] <MrKeuner> I was looking for a quicker way than writing something like a spring-boot demo
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> o_O: you could try the screen share in ubuntu's media sharing (systemsettings)
[16:39] <o_O> lotuspsychje, hey longtime no see.. i use to go by sere.
[16:40] <o_O> lotuspsychje, i know with ubuntu i can do exactly just that and send to tv through the file manager but what im wondering is there an apt or something to install to be able to do it in lubuntu
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> good question!
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> o_O: maybe try dconf-editor and see if there's any sharing value in lubuntu, i assume for gnome its org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.sharing
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> prob specific gnome plugin
[16:49] <o_O> lotuspsychje, ok thanks alot i will check it out
[17:33] <tgarder> anyone using Pantheon with 21.04? Having some troubles with the ppa
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> tgarder: we dont support external ppa's, best to contact the maintainer for those
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> tgarder: or the derivative's channel you are looking for
[17:36] <tgarder> ah, makes sense :D
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> tgarder: thats part of elementary right?
[17:36] <tgarder> yeah
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> not sure wich network they on tgarder sorry
[17:37] <tgarder> amazed they haven't switched to here too, I know they had a channel back on freenode. I'll just search on.
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> tgarder: another idea could be installing ubuntu and tweak it the way pantheon behaves
[17:38] <tgarder> I've got ubuntu running, don't have the energy to actually try elementary OS so thought I'd give it a go by using their ppa's. But wasn't as simple as I thought it would be :D
[17:39] <tgarder> what would life be if you don't change up your desktop environment every 7 minutes
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> tgarder: or install virtualbox on ubuntu, and give your test distro's a try there
[17:39] <tgarder> yeah that's a good alternative
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> tgarder: think 'plank' dock can be installed on ubuntu
[17:41] <tgarder> I don't think it supports wayland, not even sure pantheon does that now that I think about it
[17:42] <tgarder> Running ubuntu on a surface laptop 3, wayland has been way better for it than X... something with fractional scaling and the weird hidpi display with 3:2 ratio
[17:42] <tgarder> so so far gnome has been super nice. I just think it's fun to tinker around.
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> tgarder: https://ubunlog.com/en/plank-installation-configuration-of-this-simple-dock/
[17:44] <tgarder> ah yeah, "Only X11 environments are supported"
[17:44] <tgarder> But thanks though
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> tgarder: bug #1632841
[17:54] <tgarder> I just gotta say, it feels like pure and glorious blasphemy to run linux on a surface laptop. And it's so good. (Bonus: I will forever miss the alcantara fabric on the keyboard whenever I go back to a bare metal laptop again)
[19:04] <shailangsa> does anybody know why a jnlp java applet file used as a remote desktop client is unable to run https://pastebin.com/HcGcMFvA ?
[19:11] <tomreyn> "Headless check failed. You are forced to run without any graphics. IcedTea-Web can run like this, but your app probably not. This is likely bug in your system."
[19:11] <tomreyn> -> "No X11 DISPLAY variable was set, but this program performed an operation which requires it."
[19:23] <shailangsa> what is that?
[19:23] <tomreyn> quotes from what you posted to pastebin.com. did you read it?
[19:24] <shailangsa> yes, i checked enable x11 forwarding in putty but tht doesnt help, not sure why the error is occuring
[19:25] <matsaman> shailangsa: and did you try providing the variable?
[19:29] <shailangsa> running export DISPLAY=:0 solved it
[19:31] <matsaman> imagine that
[19:31] <matsaman> =P
[19:39] <shailangsa> ?
[19:46] <matsaman> glad you got it working
[19:56] <RedHead> sorry for the noob question: are all the packages that I can download with "apt" is safe? they are coming from ubuntu officialy?
[19:57] <SnoopJ> RedHead, not all of them, no. Ones that come from official ubuntu repositories (the things your system shipped with) should be fine, but they aren't rigorously examined for this property either.
[19:58] <SnoopJ> If you add repositories to your /etc/apt/sources.list, there's no telling what's on the other end of the URLs you add, so be careful about doing this if you ever do.
[19:59] <RedHead> there are only *.ubuntu.com *.canonical.com in this file
[19:59] <SnoopJ> right, so those are official
[19:59] <SnoopJ> it is possible to configure apt to look other places that have non-official files, is my point
[20:00] <RedHead> so in my current situation, it's safe to "apt" packages?
[20:00] <RedHead> thanks :)
[20:00] <SnoopJ> probably. Like I said, they aren't rigorously examined, so you get no guarantee of safety, but the official repositories are good
[20:01] <SnoopJ> they have certainly shipped software with security vulnerabilities and will certainly do it again, but this is what updates are for :)
[20:01] <RedHead> yes but nothing completely safe in the world i know :)
[20:03] <SnoopJ> so it is
[20:04] <RedHead> thanks SnoopJ you helped a lot
[20:06] <user__> hello
[20:06] <RedHead> hey
[21:23] <Gaboradon> Hello
[21:23] <Gaboradon> Muon Package Manager has done a "Full Upgrade" mistakenly, anyway to revert ?
[21:24] <Gaboradon> I clicked it by mistake and then hit the BACK key, but the stupid thing staged updates and what the heck it did and then it installed that along with what I was trying to install
[21:24] <Gaboradon> I did not want to update over some of the programs, I need to revert one of the packages immediately
[21:31] <EriC^^> Gaboradon: you could try to remove it and run sudo apt-get install <package>=<old version>
[21:32] <Gaboradon> Thing is, I don't exactly remember what version was the old one, I hoped Muon has some history / cache
[21:35] <EriC^^> Gaboradon: /var/log/apt/history.log and other files there might have what was latest installed
[21:36] <EriC^^> possibly /var/log/apt/terminal.log
[21:36] <EriC^^> *term.log
[21:43] <EriC^^> Gaboradon: try grep -A10 <package name> /var/lib/dpkg/status-old
[21:44] <Gaboradon> Yeah, thanks, indeed, I see the history where I installed it first back in 2020
[22:00] <yarddogg> 18:00
[22:05] <pycurious> natls -lm ==> outputs nothing on my /tmp - any ideas why?
[22:13] <oerheks> i understand now that natls is a snap package, but the -lm part is not really documented?
[22:13] <oerheks> if so, what should it do?
[22:21] <rfm> the natls snap seems to be very confined, I'm seeing all sorts of strange behavior when attempting to look at stuff outside /home
[22:22] <rfm> sometimes accompanied by apparmor messages in syslog, sometimes not
[22:22] <oerheks> software> installed > natls > permissions
[22:22] <oerheks> that would be the obvious place to check