| ball | popey! | 01:15 |
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| daftykins | morning all | 10:53 |
| daftykins | (barely) | 10:53 |
| penguin42 | yawning daftykins | 10:55 |
| daftykins | penguin42: the NICs have made it to me via a circuitous route, having been 'muled' over by my pal Andy's parents who must have been visiting him :D | 10:57 |
| penguin42 | wahey! | 10:58 |
| penguin42 | right, rtc battery replaced in mums pc; poor thing thought it was 2010 | 12:44 |
| penguin42 | she noted it had been taking longer to startup and seemed to restart as it was powering on, I'm wondering if it was that | 12:45 |
| daftykins | hrmm | 12:45 |
| daftykins | maybe it just wanted to feel young again ;) | 12:46 |
| ball | Well that doesn't happen often to me: Ubuntu just crashed. | 13:47 |
| daftykins | entire OS or just desktop? | 13:48 |
| ball | At least the desktop. I was eventually able to get to another virtual console to perform an orderly reboot. | 13:49 |
| ball | When it eventually came back up it said something about an "internal error". | 13:50 |
| ball | I clicked [Send], in case that provides breadcrumbs that will eventually help someone else down the road. | 13:51 |
| daftykins | have a read of what you find in /var/crash/ dated today | 13:52 |
| daftykins | you only need to restart the desktop service, not the entire system :D | 13:52 |
| ball | daftykins: I don't know enough about Linux to do that. | 13:52 |
| ball | If it was BSD I'd have a clue. | 13:53 |
| ball | (well, that and I don't know Gnome) | 13:53 |
| ball | _usr_bin_gnome-shell.1000.crash | 13:53 |
| ball | Is there a good VNC viewer for Ubuntu? | 13:56 |
| daftykins | given the history of that being a completely insecure protocol i would caution against using it | 13:57 |
| daftykins | unless there's some kind of modern spin that's got encryption and passwords implemented now | 13:57 |
| ball | There are and it's also possible to tunnel it through ssh. | 13:57 |
| ball | (where "it" is traditional unencrypted VNC) | 13:58 |
| daftykins | yeah but that's a little bit daft if you can't just run something saner to begin with | 13:58 |
| daftykins | for my client sites i prefer to have OpenVPN as the means to reach the 'site', then go from there | 13:58 |
| ball | I'm not aware of anything else that can do what VNC does. | 13:58 |
| ball | Yes, I wouldn't run it across the Internet or a big LAN | 13:59 |
| daftykins | i popped xrdp on a xubuntu VM the other day and use the Windows remote desktop client to hit it | 13:59 |
| ball | I've used RDP a lot but never to serve up an X desktop. | 14:00 |
| daftykins | i was a bit surprised that it was even a thing | 14:00 |
| daftykins | anywho i've seen Remmina before, that seems to handle VNC and RDP, not sure if it fits the bill | 14:01 |
| daftykins | i don't know how possible encryption additions may have complicated all that side of things | 14:01 |
| ball | Let me fetch it and have a look. | 14:01 |
| ball | Ooh, thought I was going to have another crash then. Desktop locked up for a second or two. | 14:02 |
| daftykins | worth watching a process monitor to see if something is going nuts? | 14:03 |
| ball | Let's see what shows up in top. | 14:04 |
| ball | I'll keep that open. | 14:07 |
| ball | Remmina looks promising. | 14:07 |
| ball | Let me test the clipboard integration... | 14:07 |
| ball | I don't see it. | 14:09 |
| daftykins | if it's just basic top, i don't recall if it sorts by CPU % by default | 14:13 |
| daftykins | i started dabbling with htop a bit more recently | 14:13 |
| safiyyah | before I break my fresh install. I need to set up mu Kensington expert mouse which is a trackball. It isn't happy with the scroll wheel and two other buttons. I goodgled and found a patch for xorg.conf. | 14:14 |
| safiyyah | but I want to ask about it firts | 14:14 |
| safiyyah | the patch is here: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~pmaydell/misc/expertmouse.html | 14:15 |
| safiyyah | the current contents of my xorg.config are here https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/V2NQVJSzyh/ | 14:17 |
| safiyyah | daftykins | 14:17 |
| daftykins | i don't really see why you even have one at all given that's just setting intel which should be default, i forget if you said that machine had additional graphics hardware | 14:19 |
| daftykins | in fact you need to remove that because you're not running intel anything | 14:26 |
| safiyyah | am I the only one with handpain and shoulderpain from the mouse and keyboard? | 14:29 |
| safiyyah | remove the xorg.conf? | 14:29 |
| daftykins | well just remove everything and stick in the contents from your link instead | 14:29 |
| daftykins | i have a couple of clients that developed issues but i think they are mostly down to their poor chair + desk arrangements more than anything | 14:30 |
| safiyyah | okay... brace yourself.... here comes the stupid questions but I dont know how to open a superuser pluma | 14:30 |
| daftykins | pluma? | 14:30 |
| ball | What's a pluma? | 14:30 |
| safiyyah | text editor for mate | 14:31 |
| * ball looks for a superuser currin | 14:31 | |
| daftykins | first mistake is trying to do it with a graphical application | 14:31 |
| daftykins | fire up a terminal and just edit it with something nice and simple like nano | 14:31 |
| daftykins | ball: i almost called Mario and Luigi ;D | 14:31 |
| ball | More of a joe man myself but I put that down to my CP/M background. | 14:32 |
| safiyyah | nano makes no sense to me it never did | 14:33 |
| safiyyah | doesn't gksudo work for all editors? | 14:34 |
| daftykins | all you need to know is that you open the file with it, Ctrl+K lets you delete all the current lines, copy the contents from that website and paste it in by right clicking... then Ctrl+X, hit yes and enter to save | 14:34 |
| daftykins | i was under the impression that was a long dead package | 14:34 |
| daftykins | that or it was a bad move to try and run most programs with it these days due to changes, not sure | 14:35 |
| safiyyah | gedit? | 14:36 |
| safiyyah | gedit? | 14:36 |
| daftykins | still graphical, doesn't change the task | 14:37 |
| safiyyah | gedit? | 14:37 |
| ball | I don't gedit. | 14:37 |
| daftykins | i've just outlined how to do it all in one - what more do you want? | 14:37 |
| safiyyah | okay I am at the directory | 14:37 |
| ball | safiyyah: Do you own the file in question? | 14:38 |
| safiyyah | daftykins, I did it!!!! | 14:41 |
| safiyyah | i have been scared of that nano thing for years! | 14:41 |
| safiyyah | it wasn't so bad | 14:41 |
| safiyyah | do I reboot? | 14:42 |
| daftykins | if you don't know how to restart just the desktop, yeah | 14:42 |
| daftykins | no date on that website's post so mentions of kernel 2.x make it seem ancient xD | 14:43 |
| safiyyah | brb | 14:43 |
| safiyyah | i couldnt find anything newer but the mouse is ancient to be honest | 14:44 |
| safiyyah | they never improved the design just repackaged it with the little USB connector and bluetooth | 14:44 |
| safiyyah | I dont think the bluetooth work | 14:44 |
| safiyyah | will have to try it later | 14:45 |
| daftykins | rubbish protocol anyway | 14:45 |
| safiyyah | I don't see that anything changed at all | 14:50 |
| safiyyah | and I don't know why the text is soooo tiny on here (hexchat) I need a magnifying glass | 14:52 |
| safiyyah | oh that is better! | 14:53 |
| safiyyah | I suppose this means I need to google harder | 14:55 |
| daftykins | suspect your .conf is in the wrong place | 14:57 |
| daftykins | easy to read the logs to confirm | 14:57 |
| safiyyah | it is in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-intel | 14:59 |
| safiyyah | isn't that where it is meant to be? | 15:01 |
| ball | safiyyah: Any idea what the resolution of your monitor is? | 15:01 |
| daftykins | that's not where xorg.conf would go, nah | 15:03 |
| daftykins | and as mentioned earlier you are no longer intel | 15:03 |
| safiyyah | my monitor is 1920 by 1080 | 15:04 |
| safiyyah | where is that meant to be? | 15:05 |
| daftykins | don't know, too much has changed in desktop land... i'm not current with it | 15:06 |
| daftykins | anyway i'm heading out to check progress at a client's place | 15:07 |
| ball | daftykins: Good luck! | 15:08 |
| daftykins | hehe thanks, thankfully we're still a ways off but muggins here will have a patch panel to re-terminate and a telephone DP to identify all the unlabelled phone cables of at some point | 15:09 |
| ball | safiyyah: That's a mode, not a resolution but I get it. I just wondered whether the OS (or its GUI) knew the resolution of your screen. | 15:09 |
| ball | Is a DP like a butt set? | 15:09 |
| daftykins | hey, family friendly :P | 15:09 |
| ball | (test telephone) | 15:10 |
| daftykins | 1920x1080 *is* the resolution | 15:10 |
| ball | daftykins: No it's not ;-) | 15:10 |
| ball | I was looking at some monitors recently where 1920x1080 could be either 82 DPI on a 27" monitor or 102 DPI on a 21.5" one. | 15:15 |
| ball | Hey what's a DP, anyway? | 15:15 |
| daftykins | that's just a semantic argument | 15:15 |
| * ball nods | 15:18 | |
| ball | Is the patch panel 8-pin modular jacks or 4-pin? | 15:19 |
| * ball tries to think whether he's actually seen 4-pin. | 15:19 | |
| ball | 6-pin? | 15:19 |
| * ball googles | 15:19 | |
| ball | Over here I usually see 1 to 3 lines on a 6-pin or 8-pin modular jack for proprietary PABX or key system. | 15:21 |
| ball | ...or Ethernet for anything new. | 15:21 |
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