[01:15] popey! [10:53] morning all [10:53] (barely) [10:55] yawning daftykins [10:57] penguin42: the NICs have made it to me via a circuitous route, having been 'muled' over by my pal Andy's parents who must have been visiting him :D [10:58] wahey! [12:44] right, rtc battery replaced in mums pc; poor thing thought it was 2010 [12:45] she noted it had been taking longer to startup and seemed to restart as it was powering on, I'm wondering if it was that [12:45] hrmm [12:46] maybe it just wanted to feel young again ;) [13:47] Well that doesn't happen often to me: Ubuntu just crashed. [13:48] entire OS or just desktop? [13:49] At least the desktop. I was eventually able to get to another virtual console to perform an orderly reboot. [13:50] When it eventually came back up it said something about an "internal error". [13:51] I clicked [Send], in case that provides breadcrumbs that will eventually help someone else down the road. [13:52] have a read of what you find in /var/crash/ dated today [13:52] you only need to restart the desktop service, not the entire system :D [13:52] daftykins: I don't know enough about Linux to do that. [13:53] If it was BSD I'd have a clue. [13:53] (well, that and I don't know Gnome) [13:53] _usr_bin_gnome-shell.1000.crash [13:56] Is there a good VNC viewer for Ubuntu? [13:57] given the history of that being a completely insecure protocol i would caution against using it [13:57] unless there's some kind of modern spin that's got encryption and passwords implemented now [13:57] There are and it's also possible to tunnel it through ssh. [13:58] (where "it" is traditional unencrypted VNC) [13:58] yeah but that's a little bit daft if you can't just run something saner to begin with [13:58] for my client sites i prefer to have OpenVPN as the means to reach the 'site', then go from there [13:58] I'm not aware of anything else that can do what VNC does. [13:59] Yes, I wouldn't run it across the Internet or a big LAN [13:59] i popped xrdp on a xubuntu VM the other day and use the Windows remote desktop client to hit it [14:00] I've used RDP a lot but never to serve up an X desktop. [14:00] i was a bit surprised that it was even a thing [14:01] anywho i've seen Remmina before, that seems to handle VNC and RDP, not sure if it fits the bill [14:01] i don't know how possible encryption additions may have complicated all that side of things [14:01] Let me fetch it and have a look. [14:02] Ooh, thought I was going to have another crash then. Desktop locked up for a second or two. [14:03] worth watching a process monitor to see if something is going nuts? [14:04] Let's see what shows up in top. [14:07] I'll keep that open. [14:07] Remmina looks promising. [14:07] Let me test the clipboard integration... [14:09] I don't see it. [14:13] if it's just basic top, i don't recall if it sorts by CPU % by default [14:13] i started dabbling with htop a bit more recently [14:14] before I break my fresh install. I need to set up mu Kensington expert mouse which is a trackball. It isn't happy with the scroll wheel and two other buttons. I goodgled and found a patch for xorg.conf. [14:14] but I want to ask about it firts [14:15] the patch is here: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~pmaydell/misc/expertmouse.html [14:17] the current contents of my xorg.config are here https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/V2NQVJSzyh/ [14:17] daftykins [14:19] i don't really see why you even have one at all given that's just setting intel which should be default, i forget if you said that machine had additional graphics hardware [14:26] in fact you need to remove that because you're not running intel anything [14:29] am I the only one with handpain and shoulderpain from the mouse and keyboard? [14:29] remove the xorg.conf? [14:29] well just remove everything and stick in the contents from your link instead [14:30] i have a couple of clients that developed issues but i think they are mostly down to their poor chair + desk arrangements more than anything [14:30] okay... brace yourself.... here comes the stupid questions but I dont know how to open a superuser pluma [14:30] pluma? [14:30] What's a pluma? [14:31] text editor for mate [14:31] * ball looks for a superuser currin [14:31] first mistake is trying to do it with a graphical application [14:31] fire up a terminal and just edit it with something nice and simple like nano [14:31] ball: i almost called Mario and Luigi ;D [14:32] More of a joe man myself but I put that down to my CP/M background. [14:33] nano makes no sense to me it never did [14:34] doesn't gksudo work for all editors? [14:34] all you need to know is that you open the file with it, Ctrl+K lets you delete all the current lines, copy the contents from that website and paste it in by right clicking... then Ctrl+X, hit yes and enter to save [14:34] i was under the impression that was a long dead package [14:35] that or it was a bad move to try and run most programs with it these days due to changes, not sure [14:36] gedit? [14:36] gedit? [14:37] still graphical, doesn't change the task [14:37] gedit? [14:37] I don't gedit. [14:37] i've just outlined how to do it all in one - what more do you want? [14:37] okay I am at the directory [14:38] safiyyah: Do you own the file in question? [14:41] daftykins, I did it!!!! [14:41] i have been scared of that nano thing for years! [14:41] it wasn't so bad [14:42] do I reboot? [14:42] if you don't know how to restart just the desktop, yeah [14:43] no date on that website's post so mentions of kernel 2.x make it seem ancient xD [14:43] brb [14:44] i couldnt find anything newer but the mouse is ancient to be honest [14:44] they never improved the design just repackaged it with the little USB connector and bluetooth [14:44] I dont think the bluetooth work [14:45] will have to try it later [14:45] rubbish protocol anyway [14:50] I don't see that anything changed at all [14:52] and I don't know why the text is soooo tiny on here (hexchat) I need a magnifying glass [14:53] oh that is better! [14:55] I suppose this means I need to google harder [14:57] suspect your .conf is in the wrong place [14:57] easy to read the logs to confirm [14:59] it is in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-intel [15:01] isn't that where it is meant to be? [15:01] safiyyah: Any idea what the resolution of your monitor is? [15:03] that's not where xorg.conf would go, nah [15:03] and as mentioned earlier you are no longer intel [15:04] my monitor is 1920 by 1080 [15:05] where is that meant to be? [15:06] don't know, too much has changed in desktop land... i'm not current with it [15:07] anyway i'm heading out to check progress at a client's place [15:08] daftykins: Good luck! [15:09] hehe thanks, thankfully we're still a ways off but muggins here will have a patch panel to re-terminate and a telephone DP to identify all the unlabelled phone cables of at some point [15:09] safiyyah: That's a mode, not a resolution but I get it. I just wondered whether the OS (or its GUI) knew the resolution of your screen. [15:09] Is a DP like a butt set? [15:09] hey, family friendly :P [15:10] (test telephone) [15:10] 1920x1080 *is* the resolution [15:10] daftykins: No it's not ;-) [15:15] I was looking at some monitors recently where 1920x1080 could be either 82 DPI on a 27" monitor or 102 DPI on a 21.5" one. [15:15] Hey what's a DP, anyway? [15:15] that's just a semantic argument [15:18] * ball nods [15:19] Is the patch panel 8-pin modular jacks or 4-pin? [15:19] * ball tries to think whether he's actually seen 4-pin. [15:19] 6-pin? [15:19] * ball googles [15:21] Over here I usually see 1 to 3 lines on a 6-pin or 8-pin modular jack for proprietary PABX or key system. [15:21] ...or Ethernet for anything new. === Nokaji_ is now known as Nokaji