[09:08] <Safiyyah> morning all I am still battling with my mouse, I found a recent shell script on github.https://github.com/ArtiomSu/kensington-expert-trackball-linux-config/blob/master/README.md
[09:09] <Safiyyah> I have saved the file but it doesn't let me run the shell script I don't understand why. I ran one yesterday for another package with no issues
[09:10] <Safiyyah> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/GXQTQrRfgK/
[09:52] <Safiyyah> so is poppy no longer on here?
[09:52] <Safiyyah> popey, are you about?
[09:53] <Safiyyah> https://askubuntu.com/questions/492744/how-do-i-automatically-remap-buttons-on-my-mouse-at-startup
[09:55] <Safiyyah> I don't understand how to do the doing...
[10:04] <zxmpi> have you marke the file as executable?
[10:04] <zxmpi> and do you trust the file?
[11:11] <daftykins> good afty
[11:11] <daftykins> it's a pretty challenging time right now as my sickly cat just came home from the vet and was busy decorating my house last night
[11:12] <daftykins> Safiyyah: not sure i'm going to have much patience for anything but my own problems i'm afraid
[11:13] <Safiyyah> daftykins, okay
[11:14] <daftykins> heh nothing but business that one
[11:27] <zxmpi> no time to stop and smell the weetabix :-P
[11:37] <daftykins> hehe
[11:37] <daftykins> good afty penguin42 \o
[11:37] <penguin42> hey daftykins
[11:38] <daftykins> how've the LibreOffice compilations been going?
[11:38] <penguin42> I've got distracted by at least 2 other projects 
[11:39] <daftykins> hehe good ones i hope
[11:39] <penguin42> Neither have got too far yet; one is a Pico I've bought, the other is some Rust
[11:45] <daftykins> i have a mission in mind to tidy up my home office today, losing a fair bit too much floor space to recent arrivals and systems
[11:45]  * penguin42 does need to find a way to do that
[11:46] <daftykins> then you can get your new air con in :D
[14:38] <Safiyyah> anyone here with experience with a mouse with a scrollwheel
[14:38] <Safiyyah> ?
[14:41] <zxmpi> don't most mice now have scroll wheels?
[14:50] <Safiyyah> my kensington expert mouse scroll wheel isn't being picked up
[14:51] <Safiyyah> even when I run xinput test
[14:51] <Safiyyah> zxmpi, 
[14:57] <daftykins> huh so the collar around the ball is the scroll wheel?
[14:57] <zxmpi> seems to be a lot of 'comments' on the scroll wheel
[14:59] <zxmpi> but most seem to be about the noise or non smoothness of it in use. not seeing any lack of detection of it
[15:00] <daftykins> i'm boxing up the Psion but the hinges have totally gone now, the lid and screen are basically flapping around in the breeze
[15:01] <zxmpi> hope it can be repaired
[15:01] <daftykins> handling the unit is marking my fingers in grey too, so i'm going to write a warning for RMC
[15:01] <daftykins> yeah i don't know if he'd bother to invest in it to be honest
[15:01] <penguin42> I wonder if you can 3d print replacement hinges
[15:01] <daftykins> pretty weird that it thinks the backup battery is toast already
[15:01] <zxmpi> i remember the rubberised coating, the 3mx i got doesn't have it. a sleek matt dark grey
[15:01] <daftykins> ah that explains why it lasted
[15:02] <daftykins> well i copied my WinImage'd PsiWin floppies and popped them onto a CD-R so he has options to fall back on to play with it, if he deems it worthy of a video
[15:02] <zxmpi> well psionex are still selling them, so either they remove it or have some way to 'refresh' it
[15:02] <daftykins> bit tough to say it'd be deserving given it's in a pretty rough state
[15:04] <zxmpi> i think psionex will buy them in any state for spare parts
[15:05] <daftykins> well, i have no interest in that approach tbh... i will just let RMC Neil do whatever he wants with it
[15:05] <daftykins> it's at least functional - given i have the AC adapter, plus all the boxes have the original manuals inside 
[15:05] <daftykins> even original Psion product listings :D
[15:07] <zxmpi> i should go fish out my psion 3a out of storage if it's still there. has a 256k ssd card with files on it from 25 years ago :-)
[15:07] <daftykins> \o/
[15:07] <zxmpi> of course i'd have to travel across the plague ridden wasteland that is dublin to get it
[15:08] <zxmpi> on public transport
[15:08] <daftykins> there's a Hollywood adaptation in that
[15:08] <zxmpi> escape INTO dublin city... 
[15:08] <zxmpi> and BACK out again the sequel
[15:10] <daftykins> can't recall if the little leather case came with the unit now or whether it was an extra purchase
[15:10] <zxmpi> cases were extra
[15:10] <zxmpi> used to have a lovely leather hip holster for the psion. super high geek cred
[15:10] <daftykins> haha
[15:11]  * penguin42 used a camera case
[15:11] <Safiyyah> zxmpi, it's lack of smoothness never bothered me much. it was useful that is all I cared about. 
[15:11] <zxmpi> have a hard plastic clam shell case for the 3mx. super tough case
[15:12] <Safiyyah> daftykins, yes the collar
[15:12] <Safiyyah> I got my husband to plug it into the windows desktop and the same issue... I think it has broken
[15:12] <Safiyyah> zxmpi, i store it in a hard case
[15:12] <zxmpi> i understand Safiyyah, i just have no idea what to try than the usual options, 1) try it on windows; 2) try it on ubuntu live cd; that would eliminate if it was mouse or your install of linux
[15:12] <daftykins> hmm, i doubt it - what release did you have on the last machine? if it worked out of the box, confirm in a live session
[15:13] <zxmpi> then if it's not happy on windows then i would suspect something has happened the mouse
[15:13] <Safiyyah> this is the second broken thing this week!
[15:14] <Safiyyah> it worked out of the box, has decided not to this week
[15:16] <daftykins> so prepare a USB flash drive with the release you used last, boot it up and try it out
[15:16] <zxmpi> that does happen, can drive you bonkers. i think that's why most geeks end up with an entire 2nd system just to test hardware, peripherals to prove to themselves they're not going bonkers
[15:16] <daftykins> although i suppose just plugging into your old machine would confirm
[15:16] <daftykins> hehe sure do
[15:16]  * daftykins looks at his test bench fleet
[15:16] <daftykins> i have an OptiPlex zeroing an HDD behind me right now
[15:17] <zxmpi> i think my favourite was a pc that wouldn't work in one location, tested fine everytime, just wouldn't work on site at one desk. took 3 trips to the office to sort that one
[15:17] <daftykins> what was the trick? :D
[15:18] <Safiyyah> daftykins, plugged it into the calculator, not working there either
[15:18] <zxmpi> i told my boss to switch the pc with another desk and huzzah the problem went away
[15:18] <Safiyyah> zxmpi, i think that is the strangest problem I have heard of
[15:18] <daftykins> hrmm
[15:19] <zxmpi> ast pc's were legendary with having vastly underpower powersupplies. so barely worked if you added too much hardware to base model. was all we could think off
[15:20] <daftykins> hrmm
[15:20] <daftykins> oops repeated myself
[15:26] <Safiyyah> well let's see if their five year warranty is worth anything
[15:26] <daftykins> where'd you buy it from?
[15:28] <daftykins> https://www.quora.com/How-can-I-fix-a-Kensington-Expert-Mouse-Wireless-Trackball-My-scroll-ring-has-stopped-responding
[15:28] <daftykins> could be an easy fix if you get lucky
[15:31] <daftykins> also - https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.php?p=6137492&postcount=7&s=b13540e361aebbd263bca10f3792be69
[15:34] <Safiyyah> daftykins, i cant open anything and screw anything in
[15:34] <Safiyyah> I am DIY challenged
[15:34] <Safiyyah> remember it is the reason I married
[15:42] <daftykins> well pursue warranty first and if it fails, subcontract it :D
[15:47] <Safiyyah> daftykins, what is subcontract?
[15:47] <Safiyyah> is there a repair guy?
[15:49] <Safiyyah> I checked amazon and they are currently £95, my husband will kill me. I bought an ergodox recently. my hands hurt so much from typing
[15:49] <daftykins> requesting someone else perform a task
[15:49] <Safiyyah> where do you find people for that?
[15:49] <Safiyyah> it's quite a specific task
[15:49] <daftykins> well i do repair myself so i haven't had to really look
[15:50] <daftykins> local computer shops no good?
[15:50] <Safiyyah> they need ro repair a mouse not a computer
[15:51] <Safiyyah> it is broken! i just cant believe it
[15:53] <daftykins> do you think that when i go to clients to fix things, i say yes to the computer and no to devices plugged into it?
[15:53] <daftykins> it's the same thing! don't be daft
[15:53] <Safiyyah> hmm, who is recommended in the south?
[16:00] <Safiyyah> daftykins, what is your call out fee?
[16:00] <Safiyyah> btw, nobody wants my old laptop not even the kids! hmm!
[16:02] <daftykins> lol unsurprising ;)
[16:02] <daftykins> i don't even live in England
[16:02] <daftykins> and you couldn't afford me xD
[16:03] <zxmpi> you don't have an inflatable flamingo to swim to those poor mainlanders in distress? :-P
[16:03] <daftykins> lol
[16:04] <zxmpi> no flamingo up too big is the motto :-P
[16:04] <daftykins> \o/
[16:04] <daftykins> weyhey i think this Psion packing is going well, i may even be able to fit in a bit of local fudge
[16:05] <zxmpi> packing fudge, the ultimate in biodegradable packing :-P
[16:06] <zxmpi> leave psion on it on a hot day with a 2nd block on top till it melts into position
[16:07] <daftykins> hehe
[16:14] <Safiyyah> daftykins, if repairs are so expensive why do people do them?
[16:14] <zxmpi> people become attached to hardware they like?
[16:15] <daftykins> the feeling of satisfaction is also intoxicating
[16:16] <zxmpi> that or you didn't do the gluing in a well ventilated room :-P
[16:16]  * daftykins has another quick huff
[16:16] <Safiyyah> so you call out the repair man and spend £300?
[16:16] <daftykins> you might be onto something there
[16:16] <daftykins> lol, well it's hard to ascribe cost to things i fix myself
[16:17] <Safiyyah> well given that people are spending over £2000 for laptops
[16:17] <Safiyyah> ... this was my guess
[16:17] <daftykins> often those that make poor purchase decisions are the types to just dump and buy new when trouble brews
[16:18] <zxmpi> i have never spent more than 450 for a laptop. i can always find a bargin i'll regret buying later :-)
[16:20] <Safiyyah> zxmpi that's why you are not his client
[16:20] <Safiyyah> you need to be buying £2000+
[16:21] <Safiyyah> or atleast £1700
[16:21] <daftykins> well no because i just described people that spend £2k don't go for repair
[16:22] <Safiyyah> poor purchase decisions = people who spend £300 in currys in my opinion
[16:22] <Safiyyah> £2k ... they did some research
[16:22] <zxmpi> i love people who spend that kinda money. it's the wrong colour, order it in blue; shall i send it back?; no no dispose of it
[16:23] <Safiyyah> £3k they have money to burn or a professional gamer
[16:23] <Safiyyah> daftykins, got the husband to open it up. there is no magnet in mine
[16:23] <zxmpi> they replace hardware every few months so you end up having new hardware you have to find homes for
[16:24] <daftykins> Safiyyah: that's not the relevant question
[16:24] <daftykins> cleaning the optical sensor was what is - and checking it's close enough
[16:24] <Safiyyah> hubby said it is extra clean
[16:25] <Safiyyah> what is the optical sensor
[16:25] <Safiyyah> ?
[16:25] <daftykins> might be a little bit more effective reading my links
[16:26] <Safiyyah> daftykins, i don't think you understand that somethings make no sense to my brain. 
[16:26] <Safiyyah> my husband opened the mouse it is completely clean
[16:26] <daftykins> and i don't think you understand that other people have lives with thoughts and feelings and their own issues to deal with besides yours
[16:27] <Safiyyah> which is what I expect since I am borderline OCD
[16:34] <Safiyyah> daftykins, the link provided, he has two white connectors, I only have one inside my mouse
[16:37] <daftykins> you've got as much information as i'm going to give
[16:37] <daftykins> either pursue warranty or deal with it
[21:18] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/post/UgzPh-pfBQraMF7THfJ4AaABCQ