[01:58] <fikran> I was looking into snaps, i noticed the docker snap is behind the ubuntu package?
[01:58] <fikran> i would not have expected that, my understanding is that snaps tended to be ahead?
[02:01] <sarnold> fikran: the latest/beta version looks newer, try clicking the little arrow in the box in the upper right hand corner: https://snapcraft.io/docker and compare against the release you're interested in on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/docker.io
[02:11] <fikran> sarnold: i didnt follow you there? please rephrase,
[02:12] <fikran> ?
[02:12] <sarnold> fikran: sorry..
[02:12] <sarnold> fikran: the snap has version 20.10.8 available in the latest/beta channel; the focal release has 20.10.7 available in the security updates pocket
[02:13] <sarnold> fikran: so there *is* a 'newer' snap than the distro release, but not by much, and not in the stable channel
[02:14] <fikran> oh wait, might be because im running an older ubuntu
[02:14] <fikran> wonder how to upgrade...
[02:15] <sarnold> sudo do-release-upgrade
[02:16]  * fikran tries...
[02:17] <leftyfb> fikran: snap packages are all the same versions regardless of the release of ubuntu you are running
[04:01] <Rexodus> here you are...
[04:03] <yukiup> ...
[04:21] <blueskies> Looking to do a upgrade from server core ubuntu 19.10 (eoan is EOL and not LTS) to server core ubuntu 20.04 LTS (focal) - https://pastebin.com/SNqkRzW9
[04:21] <blueskies> https://pastebin.com/mWv54FbV - /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log
[04:24] <mybalzitch> /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades change to lts, sudo do-release-upgrade
[04:25] <blueskies> already done, but let me check and confirm
[04:25] <mybalzitch> and pass -p 20.04 if you want
[04:26] <blueskies> confirmed: Prompt=lts
[04:27] <blueskies> 20.04 should be the default (and it downloads 20.04 upgrade tool), -p 20.04 provides same result
[04:33] <blueskies> @mybalzitch, would any other logs help?
[04:36] <blueskies> can confirm from main.log: INFO release-upgrader version '20.04.36' started
[06:11] <backbox> hi
[06:11] <backbox> hallo
[06:11] <backbox> how are you
[06:12] <backbox> hallo
[06:17] <Guest17> how to check if my system supports snaps
[06:21] <Bashing-om> Guest17: Installed by default ? what show terminal command ' dpkg -l snapd ' ?
[06:23] <Guest17> Bashing-om
[06:23] <Guest17> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[06:23] <Guest17> | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
[06:23] <Guest17> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[06:23] <Guest17> ||/ Name           Version             Architecture Description
[06:23] <Guest17> +++-[06:23] <ThinkT510> !paste
[06:23] <Meteorhead> Hello all! I bought a thinkpad T14 AMD which is having two USB ports 3.1, I made a rufus boot usb with ubuntu but it´s not getting displayed in my boot options
[06:24] <Meteorhead> is it a problem related to my usb stick being 2.0 and connected to a port 3.1?
[06:25] <Meteorhead> also tried MBR and GPT, nothing!
[06:33] <guiverc> Meteorhead, I don't know your device, but did you verify your ISO after download (ensure it was perfect?) and then verify the write to your installation media (you didn't mention a Ubuntu release, as verification varies on release)..  Some devices require a key to be pressed to enable booting external media (ie security; even key pressed when device is off for some & when held device will turn on & boot thumb-drive).
[06:34] <guiverc> Meteorhead, https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu#0 is link for verifying the ISO
[06:39] <tomreyn> Guest17: we did not read what you may have written after you started pasting those several lines of output because you were muted,
[06:40] <tomreyn> Guest17: i.e. if you wrote something else after the paste then write it again. and put the paste output on the pastebin at https://paste.ubuntu.com
[06:51] <Guest17> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/x3GFy7zFhP/
[06:51] <Guest17> this is the paste
[06:52] <tomreyn> Guest17: okay, so is there any reason to assume your system does not support snaps?
[06:53] <Guest17> tomreyn: because i've tried many guides to install Anbox but whenever i finish and i click on the app from drawer, it only shows the interface then immediately closed
[06:53] <Guest17> i thought it maybe something with system snaps
[06:56] <tomreyn> Guest17: what's the output of   nc termbin.com 9999 < <(cat /etc/os-release && snap list)
[06:57] <Bashing-om> Guest17: ^^ also ' systemctl status snapd '.
[06:59] <Guest17> tomreyn: it doesn't show the anbox because i unistalled it after the problem
[06:59] <Guest17> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/1mlp
[07:01] <Guest17> bashing-om: https://privatebin.net/?5b71433817ea94f1#SaUUHorHVC3E2vEPBUKYr9VQ2RnpYGP3UMhrcMqUUGD
[07:04] <tomreyn> Guest17: you may need to purge and reinstall snapd
[07:11] <Guest17> tomreyn: ok i will try
[07:20] <Guest17> how to know header karnel i'm using??
[07:23] <tomreyn> you mean which kernel version is running? cat /proc/version*
[07:27] <Guest17> tomreyn:
[07:27] <Guest17> https://privatebin.net/?d45e61527d832338#E6qHTyCyHBU6GdeHk67SFUAvQqY3CoauJ8bYtrcVKfrY
[07:27] <Guest17> is it 5.11.31 or 33?
[07:31] <tomreyn> Guest17: 5.11.31 with ubuntu patch level 33
[07:33] <tomreyn> i'm not sure that's the exactly correct way to put it. but it's the linux-image-generic 5.11.0-31.33 package
[07:34] <Guest17> tomreyn: ther'es no 33 in the sudo apt install linux-headers-generic anbox-modules-dkms
[07:34] <Guest17> when i remove genric and press tab
[07:35] <tomreyn> sorry, the linux-image-5.11.0-31-generic package
[07:36] <tomreyn> you should just     sudo apt install linux-image-generic linux-headers-generic    if those aren't installed, yet
[07:37] <Guest17> when i " sudo apt install linux-headers-5.11.0-31-generic anbox-modules-dkms"
[07:37] <Guest17> it says "E: Unable to locate package anbox-modules-dkms"
[07:38] <Guest17> tomreyn: i'm following this > https://docs.anbox.io/userguide/install_kernel_modules.html
[07:39] <tomreyn> Guest17: so you ignored to read the note?
[07:39] <Guest17> tomreyn: something is getting me error because when i type " ls -1 /dev/{ashmem,binder}" it says no fiile directory for binder
[07:39] <Guest17> what note tomreyn
[07:40] <tomreyn> "Starting with Ubuntu 19.04 binder and ashmem are now build with the standard Ubuntu kernel (>= 5.0) and you don’t have to install the modules from the PPA anymore."
[07:40] <Guest17> tomreyn at first time i did with Anbox i didn't do it this way - but still
[07:40] <Guest17> didn't work
[07:41] <Guest17> so i thought i should install karnel modules again maybe something corrupted
[07:42] <tomreyn> Guest17: the ppa you're using provides no packages for your ubuntu release
[07:42] <tomreyn> you may want to use the snap instead
[07:43] <Guest17> tomreyn: https://docs.anbox.io/userguide/install.html
[07:43] <Guest17> continue with the main snap commands without the karnel modules
[07:43] <Guest17> but btw
[07:44] <Guest17> "Now you should have two new nodes in your systems /dev directory:
[07:44] <Guest17> $ ls -1 /dev/{ashmem,binder}/dev/ashmem
[07:44] <Guest17> "
[07:44] <Guest17> when i do that
[07:44] <Guest17> it returns " ls: cannot access '/dev/binder': No such file or directory
[07:44] <Guest17> "
[07:44] <tomreyn> !paste | Guest17
[07:45] <Guest17> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GSz7QQsxqt/
[07:45] <tomreyn> maybe you need to load a module of the same name
[07:46] <tomreyn> modprobe -v binder
[07:47] <Guest17> modprobe: FATAL: Module binder not found in directory /lib/modules/5.11.0-31-generic
[07:47] <tomreyn> well, could have been ;-)
[07:48] <tomreyn> the documentation is from 2018 by the way, might be outdaed by now
[07:48] <Guest17> should i continue without that module?
[07:49] <Guest17> with the snap package installation
[07:49] <tomreyn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/anbox/+bug/1884810
[07:50] <tomreyn> the module is actually names binder_linux
[07:50] <tomreyn> modprobe -v binder_linux
[07:51] <Guest17> returned nothing
[07:51] <nikolam> don't know ehat to do, firefox keeps crashing.. don't have too many windows open, it's 16GB RAM machine.. 21.04 Xubuntu.. and NO swap enabled ATM..
[07:53] <tomreyn> nikolam: what's in journalctl about the crash?
[07:53] <tomreyn> Guest17: it should be loaded now, though
[07:54] <Guest17> tomreyn: i continued with installation
[07:54] <Guest17> and same thing happened...
[07:54] <Guest17> only shows the interface of the app start then closes
[07:56] <nikolam> tomreyn, nothing I can see in recent time..
[07:57] <Guest17> ls -1 /dev/{ashmem,binder}  still returns " ls: cannot access '/dev/binder': No such file or directory "
[07:59] <tomreyn> Guest17: hmm, i don't know then, maybe try getting support from them
[07:59] <Guest17> thank you for your help tomreyn, i will try to contact them
[08:00] <tomreyn> there are plenty of open bug reports on their github issue tracker
[08:00] <TJ-> do I take it you're missing the android modules ?
[08:01] <Guest17> i don't know where the problem is in the first place, but as they say they've the karnel modules pre installed then something wrong ahppens
[08:05] <TJ-> Guest17: let me compare with one of my installations
[08:05] <TJ-> Guest17: I'll read back on what you've already done first
[08:06] <Guest17> TJ- thank you mister =)
[08:09] <TJ-> Guest17: show us " pastebinit <( uname -r; modinfo ashmem_linux binder_linux ) "
[08:10] <Guest17> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YCnVFjYVND/
[08:11] <TJ-> Guest17: so good news you have the modules. Now check if they're currently loaded. " pastebinit <( lsmod | grep -E '(ashmem|binder)' ) "
[08:12] <Guest17> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vQwfQcqSBz/
[08:12] <TJ-> Guest17: and the modules are loaded too
[08:13] <Guest17> so the problem isn't in the modules
[08:13] <Guest17> what could it be
[08:16] <Guest17> TJ-!
[08:16] <Guest17> it worked! but i don't know why....!
[08:16] <TJ-> Guest17: what does this report? " pastebinit <( anbox system-info ) "
[08:17] <TJ-> Guest17: oh ... so that is good I guess :)
[08:18] <TJ-> Guest17: if you're going to use it regularly it might be good to ensure both those modules are loaded at start-up. You can do that with " echo -e "ashmem_linux\nbinder_linux" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules "
[08:18] <Guest17> TJ- thank you very much
[08:21] <Guest17> time to sleep after something is finally accomplished xD
[08:21] <Guest17> thank you guys
[08:21] <Guest17> <3
[08:21] <Guest17> have a good day
[09:07] <Meteorhead> guiverc, thank you very much for the link I need to check this out, yes on thinkpads it´s F12 to get the boot menu on startup
[09:12] <Safiyyah> morning all I am trying to run a shell script which isn't working out https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/GXQTQrRfgK/
[09:12] <Safiyyah> the script was sourced from here
[09:13] <Safiyyah> https://github.com/ArtiomSu/kensington-expert-trackball-linux-config
[09:15] <TJ-> Safiyyah: the script likely doesn't have the eXecute mode bit set. "chmod +x ./Kensington_Expert_Setup.sh"
[09:17] <Safiyyah> tJ that worked
[09:18] <Safiyyah> TJ-, oh dear I didn't mean to annoy everyone
[09:19] <Safiyyah> do you happen to understand the second bit about the window manager?
[09:19] <Safiyyah> exec_always --no-startup-id ~/scrips/Kensington_Expert_Setup.sh
[09:20] <TJ-> Safiyyah: that's something specific to the i3 window manager to have the script executed at every GUI log-in, I think
[09:21] <TJ-> Safiyyah: there's better ways to have that code executed. As a system-level tool. Let me check
[09:22] <Safiyyah> I would appreciate that
[09:23] <TJ-> Safiyyah: there's a bunch of shell scripts executed when X11 initially starts, they are in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
[09:23] <TJ-> Safiyyah: it looks like you only need to put your script there
[09:23] <TJ-> Safiyyah: if that works it'll enable the functions at the greeter log-in before any user logs in
[09:24] <TJ-> Safiyyah: looks like the scripts in that directory are prefixed with numbers to control the order of execution. I doubt you'll need to do that - without numbers in the name your script will execute last
[09:25] <Safiyyah> so I copy the file there?
[09:27] <Safiyyah> I have copied it
[09:28] <Safiyyah> I will reboot and come back, let's see
[09:32] <Safiyyah> TJ-, I don't see any changes
[09:32] <hajonnes> @ubuntu 20.04. my system wants to remove my graphics drivers (nvidia-driver-470) If I set it to 'apt-mark auto'. If I remove it my system reverts to 1080p. could it be that some open driver is selected to be an update to it but reverts to 1080p, how can I find out what is going on?
[09:34] <hajonnes> I have a 40" 4k screen so 1080 is a big difference for me.
[09:42] <TJ-> Safiyyah: did you make the script executable in that directory?
[09:42] <TJ-> Safiyyah: it might help to add a line to the script that touches a file so you know the script executed correctly
[09:45] <alkisg> hajonnes: why would you set it to auto, instead of "manually installed"?
[09:45] <Safiyyah> TJ-, I made the file executable first and then copied it over
[09:46] <Safiyyah> also, I don't know how to make it "touch a file"
[09:47] <hajonnes> alkisg, because I want it to be automatically updated when a new version exist and I want the system to take care of it. Also during the installation of ubuntu, is not all graphics drivers installd as 'auto' so why should my system not accept it when it is marked 'auto'? Did I think wrong?
[09:49] <hajonnes> I installed a couple of days ago and ubuntu has choosen what graphics to install.
[09:49] <alkisg> hajonnes: "manual" means "don't autoremove it even if no package depends on it"
[09:49] <alkisg> It will still be updated and managed by the system etc etc
[09:49] <TJ-> Safiyyah: read "man Xsession" - the section "CUSTOMIZING THE STARTUP PROCEDURE" implies the name of the script actually is important so change it to match the requirement ther
[09:49] <alkisg> ubuntu-desktop or other metapackages depend on xorg and the drivers etc, but not on nvidia
[09:49] <alkisg> So it's normal for the nvidia binary packages to be manually installed
[09:50] <alkisg> (while for xserver-* drivers to be auto)
[09:50] <TJ-> Safiyyah: there is a command called 'touch' and it simply updates the timestamp of a file, creating the file if needed. It's a nice way to check something happened and when. So you could add "touch /tmp/kensington" to the end of your script and after restarting the display server if "ls -l /tmp/kensington" shows the file you can see when it was last executed via the file's timestamp
[09:55] <hajonnes> alkisg, ok, so generally If I do a new installation, because that is what I did, the first autoremove I do would brake it, since it would remove the graphics drivers that the installation installed? I used kde-neon (ubuntu base) before and had not any problems like this and wonder if I have accidentally removed some packages over my graphics driver in the dependency hierarchy? Is this normal?
[09:55] <alkisg> hajonnes: normally, the installer (ubiquity) runs ubuntu-drivers, which installs nvidia, while marking it as manually installed
[09:56] <alkisg> So it's not autoremoved. If it was set to "auto" for you, then yeah it sounds like you removed something.
[09:57] <alkisg> I do not have nvidia to verify what I'm saying though, I stopped using nvidia and the binary drivers more than a decade ago...
[09:58] <alkisg> In any case, if setting it to "manual" now corrects all your issues, then it's the right thing to do; it'll auto-update etc
[09:59] <alkisg> It's not "apt mark hold", which means "stick to this version"... it's "manual", which means "don't autoremove it"
[10:00] <hajonnes> alkisg, I have timeshift. And I can go back to just after the install. is there a way to see what I have accidentally removed that would be the dependency that makes my system behave strange?
[10:01] <alkisg> hajonnes: you said "your system wants to autoremove...if I set it to auto". What "strange thing" happens if you don't set it to auto? What's the initial issue?
[10:04] <Safiyyah> TJ-, the file needs to be named as 40custom_its function
[10:05] <TJ-> Safiyyah: go for it :)
[10:05] <Safiyyah> when I try to rename it, it refuses , https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/CsSyJFDdkH/
[10:05] <Safiyyah> line 3 is a comment in the file so I don't get it
[10:06] <alkisg> The command to rename is "sudo mv", not "rename"
[10:06] <TJ-> Safiyyah: 'rename' is not the correct command. Use "sudo mv /etc/X11/Xsession.d/Kensington_Expert_Setup.sh /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40custom_kensington_mouse"
[10:07] <Safiyyah> ah!!!!
[10:08] <Safiyyah> rebooting, brb
[10:08] <alkisg> We need to tell him about sudo systemctl restart gdm3... :D
[10:08] <alkisg> ...or logoff/logon
[10:08] <TJ-> Too late... again!
[10:08] <TJ-> Windows has so much to answer for!
[10:09] <alkisg> Haha
[10:10] <Safiyyah> TJ-, I have no joy
[10:10] <Safiyyah> https://askubuntu.com/questions/492744/how-do-i-automatically-remap-buttons-on-my-mouse-at-startup
[10:11] <hajonnes> alkisg, the initial issu was that I got a lot of graphics dependencies to be autoremoved. I autoremoved all and noticed that my graphics were broken. I reinstalled ubuntu thinking I had done something that I did not understand, I read that apt purge could remove shared dependencies, others say it just removes settings files, perhaps you could clarify that as well, anyway. I reinstalled and installed timeshift and was cautious about using apt
[10:11] <hajonnes> autoremove. I have done some apt purges. but not tried autoremove, then I did 'apt-get --dry-run autoremove' to see what would be removed and saw graphics packages. I used apt-rdepends to see what was missing, and saw that nvidia-driver-470 was missing. I installed it and then all the graphics packages were no longer in autoremove. but still I'm wondering what is wrong, if there is a package that I'm missing that is higher in the dependency hierarchy
[10:11] <hajonnes> that is missing and would give me problems later on.
[10:12] <TJ-> Safiyyah: before you do another reboot, you don't need to! Simply log-out and log-in again, that restarts the display server, or, you can do "sudo systemctl restart display-manager"
[10:12] <alkisg> hajonnes: after an initial ubuntu installation, `apt purge --auto-remove` or the other autoremove variants, are supposed to remove NOTHING.
[10:12] <TJ-> Safiyyah: did you add the "touch" to the end of the script so you know if it executed?
[10:13] <alkisg> So if I understood what you're saying correctly, it means that you removed a crucial dependency of Ubuntu. If you have that in timeshift, go there; otherwise read your /var/log/apt/history.log
[10:14] <Safiyyah> TJ-, no ... i didn't . do i just add the word touch?
[10:14] <alkisg> hajonnes: for example, if package A depends on B, and B recommends C, and you purge B, at that point, A will also be removed, while C will be removed later on when you run autoremove
[10:15] <alkisg> hajonnes: so when you `apt purge` something, be extra careful in the messages; if it says "the following packages are automatically installed and can be autoremoved", it means you did what I described above with package B
[10:15] <TJ-> Safiyyah: As I said earlier: there is a command called 'touch' and it simply updates the timestamp of a file, creating the file if needed. It's a nice way to check something happened and when. So you could add "touch /tmp/kensington" to the end of your script and after restarting the display server if "ls -l /tmp/kensington" shows the file you can see when it was last executed via the file's
[10:15] <TJ-> timestamp
[10:15] <hajonnes> alkisg, I did no 'apt autoremove' after just installing it, it was a couple of days later. I had done some 'apt purge'. does 'apt purge' remove shared dependencies or just settings files for the program?
[10:15] <hajonnes> it beeing ubuntu.
[10:15] <TJ-> hajonnes: 'purge' removes config files from /etc/ whereas 'remove' leaves them in place
[10:16] <hajonnes> TJ-, so then apt purge is not dangerous?
[10:16] <alkisg> hajonnes: `apt remove` removes dependencies but not files in /etc. While `apt purge` also removes files in /etc. Both remove dependencies
[10:16] <TJ-> hajonnes: no it isn't because you chose to use it and should know what it does
[10:17] <alkisg> hajonnes: in other words, there's no way to remove package B without also removing package A, that depends on B
[10:18] <hajonnes> alkisg, does 'apt purge' remove dependencies that are shared with an other program?
[10:19] <alkisg> hajonnes: please read my example of A, B and C. I phrased it much better than the way you're asking about it now
[10:19] <alkisg> If you remove B, **any** package that depends on B, will also be removed. It doesn't matter if it's "shared" or otherwise
[10:19] <Safiyyah> TJ-,  yeii https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/tmzN2gKw3q/ although that means my machine does't like the script
[10:21] <hajonnes> alkisg, I did not understad perhaps. if package A has dependency c and package B has dependency c. I purge package A will c be removed?
[10:21] <TJ-> Safiyyah: so the good part is the script is executing
[10:21] <TJ-> Safiyyah: I think you said earlier the script did work from the user session?
[10:21] <alkisg> hajonnes: no, "c" is still needed by "b". It won't be removed, nor will it be autoremoved
[10:22] <TJ-> Safiyyah: ahhh, I know what is wrong, the script is written for BASH but Xsession uses SH and there are what we cann bash-isms in that script. Let me rewrite it for you
[10:22] <hajonnes> alkisgk, ok then I could not have removed any packages wrongly.
[10:22] <Safiyyah> i never got the mouse to work as in the script. it executed and i saw no change
[10:22] <Safiyyah> TJ-,
[10:22] <TJ-> Safiyyah: oh - i thought you said you had!
[10:25] <hajonnes> alkisg, thanks for clarifying :)
[10:25] <TJ-> Safiyyah: did you check your mouse reports the same name
[10:25] <Safiyyah> I previouslt tried to modify xorg.conf and also 40libinput.conf with the following code http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~pmaydell/misc/expertmouse.html
[10:25] <TJ-> Safiyyah: the script relies in it being called, exactly, "Kensington Expert Wireless TB Mouse"
[10:25] <Safiyyah> nothing happened there either
[10:27] <Safiyyah> TJ-, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/g5y7gnxcdP/ it is id=9
[10:27] <Safiyyah> the id changes with booting up
[10:34] <TJ-> Safiyyah: the script links to an explanation of how the actual mapping needs to be done, which can be different for each device, so you probably need to work through the process given in that askubuntu article to test your device and determine which buttons generate which codes
[10:36] <Safiyyah> TJ-, i dont understand the work through so I am unable to do it
[10:36] <Safiyyah> I am just a user, asking me to deal with any code truly is too difficult for me
[10:37] <Safiyyah> onto what I initially did which was to edit xorg.conf and 40libinput.conf.... is there a different place I can copy that code into.
[10:39] <Safiyyah> I don't understand why xorg.conf is located in such a wierd place ... /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-intel/
[10:39] <Safiyyah> i have no intel hardware
[10:41] <TJ-> Safiyyah: it isn't, that's an example fragment for certain Intel hardware
[10:42] <alkisg> Safiyyah: can you back up a bit and say what the initial issue is? You want to swap your mouse buttons? You have some weird hardware that doesn't work properly?
[10:44] <TJ-> alkisg: Safiyyah  wants to remap the 6 buttons on the trackball device
[10:44] <alkisg> Remap them to some other function, or just between them, to make button 2 == button 4 etc?
[10:44] <TJ-> alkisg: see the script. "# swap right and back button then swap middle and back button" "xinput set-button-map $mouse_id 1 8 2 4 5 6 7 3 9"
[10:45] <hajonnes> alkisg, I just did a timeshift back just after I installed ubunutu. I did a 'apt-get --dry-run autoremove' and the same graphics packages are in the list of packages that would be removed. Could my install image be broken, I did not hash it. if so can I repair my install or do I have to reinstall?
[10:45] <TJ-> alkisg: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ArtiomSu/kensington-expert-trackball-linux-config/master/Kensington_Expert_Setup.sh
[10:45] <alkisg> TJ-, Safiyyah , but he said that running that bash script didn't solve his issue, right?
[10:45] <alkisg> (even directly, without Xsession)
[10:46] <alkisg> hajonnes: pastebin your /var/log/apt/history.log, and the output of the autoremove command
[10:46] <TJ-> alkisg: right, possibly because the options are different for the device Safiyyah has; it needs the test procedure following to ensure the buttons map the same way
[10:47] <TJ-> alkisg: Safiyyah  needs to do a "xinput test $mouse_id" and check what each button generates
[10:48] <alkisg> I see; so the buttons are mapped wrong by the kernel, and he's trying to use xinput to set them right... ty
[10:48] <TJ-> looks like that :)
[10:49] <Safiyyah> but how do I sort them out?
[10:49] <Safiyyah> don't tell me to program anything... i can't
[10:49] <Safiyyah> copying and pasting code is all i can do
[10:49] <TJ-> The linked askubuntu article gives the procedure and examples
[10:49] <TJ-> https://askubuntu.com/questions/492744/how-do-i-automatically-remap-buttons-on-my-mouse-at-startup
[10:53] <Safiyyah> when I run xinput test the scroll wheel does nothing. the trakball is fine
[10:56] <hajonnes> alkisg, https://pastebin.com/ph9WJiUy I had 'apt list --installed | grep nvidia' in the same text file so it accidentally got included.
[10:57] <hajonnes> alkisg, the apt-get --dry-run autoremove is from just after I installed ubuntu.
[11:06] <hajonnes> alkisg, I will have to go, I will be back in about 2 hours. but write what you think I will read it later.
[11:18] <Freeaqingme> sarnold: cbreak: wanna hear a funny story? After figuring out all the nvme namespace stuff, deleting the existing one, and creating a new one; I got an error when adding the second namespace that my NVME drives only support a single namespace \o/
[11:18] <cbreak> hmm... that's... what's that even good for? :/
[11:19] <Freeaqingme> I think it's an enterprise feature and my nvme drives are not enterprisey enough (they are dc grade tho)
[11:53] <norgems> How do I fix this error? https://pastebin.com/KW1837EA
[11:55] <norgems> after running sudo apt --fix-broken install
[11:59] <norgems> i tried this but it didnt work: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/451828/dependency-problems-linux-debian-undetectable-broken-packages
[12:00] <norgems> here is sources list: https://pastebin.com/mC7i4ha3
[12:03] <jeremy31> norgems: is that 16.04?
[12:04] <norgems> jeremy31 yes
[12:04] <jeremy31> norgems: It hasn't been suported since late April
[12:04] <norgems> yeah i cant upgrade at the moment
[12:05] <norgems> but its broken since i ran dist-upgrade
[12:05] <norgems> https://askubuntu.com/questions/140246/how-do-i-resolve-unmet-dependencies-after-adding-a-ppa
[12:05] <norgems> following this
[12:06] <norgems> i got up to this part: sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[12:06] <norgems> and it downloaded a bunch of stuff and took a while
[12:06] <norgems> and now i cant use apt
[12:07] <jeremy31> norgems: If you need to keep using 16.04, see https://ubuntu.com/security/esm
[12:07] <norgems> well i first want to know how to resolve this issue
[12:09] <norgems>  mailutils : Depends: guile-2.2-libs but it is not installed
[12:09] <norgems>              Depends: libmailutils5 but it is not installed
[12:09] <norgems> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[12:09] <norgems> running --fix .. doesnt work
[12:27] <cbreak> norgems: can't you just apt remove all the things?
[12:27] <cbreak> or was it uninstall? one of those
[12:27] <norgems> https://pastebin.com/EXSpvpGD
[12:27] <norgems> i cant do either
[12:27] <norgems> gives the same message
[12:29] <cbreak> I'm quite sure it's not the correct thing to do, but when I have dependency problems with apt, I usually try to install the things it says won't be installed manually
[12:29] <cbreak> this usually then gives an other error message, with an other dep to follow
[12:29] <cbreak> and eventually I arrive at something that isn't installed for some other reason
[12:29] <cbreak> possibly a conflict with some other thing that's installed
[12:31] <Euph0r1a> hello, gentlemens
[12:32] <Euph0r1a> i'm trying ubuntu first time on a WLS right now, so far looks really fun :)
[12:32] <Euph0r1a> any advices for a newbie, please?
[12:34] <hajonnes> alkisg, I'm back, did you have time to check out the pastebin?
[12:36] <cbreak> Euph0r1a: Ubuntu's a normal desktop system. You should be able to do pretty much do most of what ever you want.
[12:36] <cbreak> just apt install the packages you need
[12:36] <Euph0r1a> any must-have pacjkages, maybe?
[12:36] <cbreak> apt install firefox for a good web browser
[12:37] <Euph0r1a> just didnt want to miss something important :)
[12:37] <cbreak> apt install kitty for a good terminal emulator
[12:37] <cbreak> many linux tools are very customizable
[12:37] <cbreak> which means you might have to spend time customizing them.
[12:38] <Euph0r1a> okay, so just dl firefox and i'm free like a wind
[12:38] <cbreak> apt install hexchat for an ok-ish IRC client
[12:38] <Euph0r1a> thanks :3
[13:40] <Simplar> Guys who know, what does the phrase "This is the worst..." mean?
[13:46] <alkisg> hajonnes: try this: sudo apt install nvidia-driver-470. After that, which packages still want to get autoremoved?
[14:29] <hajonnes> alkisg, https://pastebin.com/CTVdj7QK
[14:29] <hajonnes> alkisg, are they ok to remove. Do not know what they do.
[14:30] <alkisg> Yeah it seems fine, go ahead
[14:32] <hajonnes> alkisg, ok. so do you know why I got the nvidia drivers in autoremove? I was thinking of if I have something that is broken higher up in the hierarchy...
[14:32] <alkisg> No theory for that, sorry
[14:35] <hajonnes> alkisg, what is your opinion about trying to fix the install? like https://ostechnix.com/how-to-fix-broken-ubuntu-os-without-reinstalling-it/
[14:36] <alkisg> I dont see anything broken, I'd leave it be until some specific issue is found
[14:37] <hajonnes> alkisg, I tried to install GCconnect, it is like kdeconnect but for gnome. It did not work. so I have something that does not work properly.
[14:37] <Safiyyah> alkisg, TJ- I took a break and now I am back at it again. the mouse works in the four buttons, the  trackball itself, so it is the scroll wheel that doesn't work. when I run xinput test it picks up on everything except the scroll wheel
[14:38] <alkisg> hajones, what's the error message?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:50] <ioria> dgc.gov.it
[15:17] <TJ-> Safiyyah: did you see what that script says? "# allow scrolling by holding middle mouse button and using the ball to scroll ( really smooth and fast )."
[15:17] <TJ-> Safiyyah: is that the same thing, or is there a scroll wheel in addition ?
[15:22] <Jenshae> Hi all, I have done some terrible things to my system without enough research. I am hoping someone can help me unpick this mess.
[15:22] <Jenshae> I installed too new a version of the kernel (5.11) from the website (unsigned), then I installed a higher version of libc6.
[15:22] <Jenshae> I tried installing signed kernels and using the main repositories. I am now in a situation where:
[15:22] <Jenshae> - 5.11 is signed but has no network and only one monitor.
[15:23] <Jenshae> - 5.8 won't boot at all.
[15:23] <Jenshae> - 5.13 boots, is unsigned and has no ZFS.
[15:24] <Jenshae> I don't understand why the 20.4 repo would have such a broken result with the signed 5.8 kernel.
[15:25] <tomreyn> Jenshae: "I installed a higher version of libc6" will be what's cuasing your problems
[15:26] <Jenshae> That libc6 came from the 20.4 repo though.
[15:26] <tomreyn> and you run which release there?
[15:26] <Jenshae> Say that another way, please?
[15:27] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version do you have installed?
[15:27] <tomreyn> grep PRETTY /etc/os-release
[15:27] <Safiyyah> TJ-, there is a scroll wheel in addition, sorry it didn't ping me
[15:28] <tomreyn> Jenshae: ^ if you run this in a terminal or tty you'll know
[15:28] <Safiyyah> I went to plug it into the windows desktop and it also isn't working there, tried another laptop, also not working.
[15:28] <Safiyyah> I conclude it is broken!
[15:29] <Jenshae> PRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS"
[15:30] <Jenshae> I didn't realise grep can start a command, thought it always needed to be | piped at the end.
[15:31] <Jenshae> My system is stable. I would just like to either fix my network and display drivers for 5.11 or get ZFS working for 5.13
[15:32] <Jenshae> I am also confused as to why 5.11 unsigned only had ZFS missing but when I installed the signed version it lost network and second display.
[15:32] <TJ-> Safiyyah: phew! at least we won't waste time trying to fix it in software. Now you need to open it up and remove all the dust and hairs that are stopping the switch from pressing!
[15:33] <Jenshae> (I think the missing ZFS is something to do with unsigned kernels and it not installing utilities into the right place). That make sense. The change from unsigned to signed and new problems is weird to me.
[15:33] <tomreyn> Jenshae: okay, but you said you installed a higher version of glibc, that's a potentially disastrous action, unless it's just a higher patch level (an ubuntu bug fix or security update).
[15:33] <TJ-> Jenshae: what is it booted into right now? "uname -r"
[15:34] <Jenshae> Huh. That wasn't working and 5.13 was my default. Sorry, I thought I was on 5.13 now "5.11.0-27-generic"
[15:34] <Jenshae> Okay, so now I should be on a signed kernel but still missing ZFS.
[15:34] <TJ-> Jenshae: signed kernel + modules  infers UEFI SecureBoot. no network or network therefore infers out-of-tree proprietary modules for network and display; which as a guess points to Broadcom and NVidia
[15:35] <Jenshae> I am using legacy boot I think.
[15:35] <tomreyn> echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[15:35] <TJ-> errrm "no network or external display output"
[15:36] <Jenshae> Yup, no UEFI partitions, just a single / root drive.
[15:36] <Jenshae> I am learning a lot today. "This system booted via: UEFI"
[15:37] <Jenshae> ... how did that happen? I am pretty sure that I put my motherboard into Legacy boot mode. I usually do because I don't want to deal with secure boot problems.
[15:38] <bowserk> Hi. What's the default output of `sudo iptables -t nat -S OUTPUT`?
[15:38] <Jenshae> OH!!! I know why I am so confused!!! I was using the terminal that is still logged into my server!
[15:38] <Jenshae> Hang on, scratch everything.
[15:40] <tomreyn> bowserk: on 18.04 LTS (and probably other releases, too), it's: -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
[15:40] <Jenshae> EFI system = "This system booted via: BIOS" &&  uname -r = "5.13.0-051300-generic" && /etc/os-release = "PRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu 20.04 LTS""
[15:40] <bowserk> tomreyn: OK, thanks
[15:42] <Jenshae> Could I do something, say with a Live USB and chroot to fix the 5.11 kernel + install?
[15:42] <tomreyn> Jenshae: this looks like a mainline kernel build from kernel-ppa?
[15:42] <tomreyn> Jenshae: do you have another network device which you could use with 5.11?
[15:43] <Jenshae> "5.13.0-051300-generic" was a browser download that I manually installed with " dpkg -i /location/kernel.deb "
[15:43] <Jenshae> Wireless dongle? I don't have a spare NIC right now.
[15:44] <tomreyn> wireless dongle might work, depending on the chipset. do you have a smartphone or tab you can connect via usb and tether through?
[15:44] <tomreyn> i.e. with the devices' upstream connected to a wireless lan AP or via mobile network, either should work, the former is probably cheaper.
[15:45] <Jenshae> I don't use a mobile. The dongle was plug and play.
[15:46] <Jenshae> So, if I boot up and the dongle works, I should just try to "sudo apt install -f"?
[15:48] <tomreyn> Jenshae: definitely    sudo apt update    first, and check you're using the right apt sources with    apt policy
[15:49] <tomreyn> everything should point to something with "focal"
[15:49] <tomreyn> but i guess you're aware of this.
[15:49] <tomreyn> here's a shorthand (but don't run it unless you understand it):   sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} 2>&1; sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[15:50] <Jenshae> The only one I have is "deb http://****.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal main" do I need more or is that sufficient?
[15:50] <tomreyn> you need more
[15:51] <tomreyn> basically those that would be configured by default
[15:51] <tomreyn> i can get you a list in a few
[15:52] <Jenshae> "focal main restricted" "focal-updates main" ?
[15:52] <Jenshae> Cheers
[15:53] <tomreyn> Jenshae: https://termbin.com/tk03
[15:53] <tomreyn> obviously replace 'de.' by your country code
[15:53] <Jenshae> Why did I go on this hair brained adventure? Didn't want to "upgrade" my lubuntu-desktop from the LXDE based 18.04 version and I was trying to enable VRR (variable refresh rate) but it won't work with two monitors on Xorg anyway.
[15:53] <Jenshae> So all for nothing.
[15:56] <tomreyn> Jenshae: just the relevant lines, with "de." replaced to "us." https://termbin.com/rkhw
[16:08] <Jenshae> Thank you. I will try it in a bit after I finished a conversation and the end of this film.
[16:10] <Jenshae> How important is the prefix? If you had us. and you were in Oz, would that be too slow and it would time out the connections for your updates?
[16:10] <aziliz> Investir en Bourse avec Internet
[16:15] <hajonnes> alkisg, I installed from repository, the tutorial said I should download a package from their homepage. that might be a problem. But normally the apt or in my case synaptic should pull dependencies and so on so I should not have problems. The error I get is that nothing works. I get a confirmation that I have installed and that is it. it is a gnome shell extension so perhaps I should do some settings for it to work as it is not a normal program. but I
[16:15] <hajonnes> will try to follow an other tutorial and see if it works better.
[16:17] <tomreyn> Jenshae: maybe, maybe not. usually the fastest will be a topographically close mirrror
[16:20] <alkisg> hajonnes: `apt install ./file.deb` installs a file along with its dependencies. I don't think the issue is related to apt; it's something related to the specific package you're trying to use
[16:20] <alkisg> But if it's not in the ubuntu repositories, it's probably not support here then...
[16:20] <hajonnes> alkisg, I installed from repository. but it did not work.
[16:20] <alkisg> *not supported
[16:21] <tomreyn> Jenshae: i didn't realize you're actually in UK, though. just use archive.ubuntu.com or uk.archive.ubuntu.com or one of the UK mirrors then: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors#yui_3_10_3_1_1629562795401_54
[16:22] <Jenshae> If mirrors are subject to their local governments, I trust fr. more than uk.
[16:22] <hajonnes> alkisg, the extension that did not work when installed from repsitory. https://github.com/GSConnect/gnome-shell-extension-gsconnect/wiki/Installation#dependencies
[16:22] <alkisg> hajonnes: not all repositories are supported here. Only ubuntu repositories
[16:23] <alkisg> E.g. this one: https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/gnome-shell-extension-gsconnect
[16:23] <alkisg> If you install that one, it would be supported here. I don't use gnome so I don't know about its extensions though
[16:23] <hajonnes> alkisg, I will check.
[16:23] <alkisg> I.e. just sudo apt install gnome-shell-extension-gsconnect
[16:23] <TJ-> tomreyn: it's gb.archive.ubuntu.com for United Kingdom; uk. is Ukraine
[16:24] <tomreyn> TJ-: whoops, thanks.
[16:24] <tomreyn> Jenshae: ^ see above
[16:24] <TJ-> tomreyn: :P caught me out a few times until I thought about the ISO codes
[16:25] <tomreyn> yes it makes sense
[16:26] <Jenshae> Okay, fr. > uk. > gb.
[16:26] <TJ-> Annoys me that packagse.ubuntu.com never lists the gb. mirror ... I always need to copy another link and edit it
[16:26] <hajonnes> alkisg, nothing happens. perhaps I need to reboot. I do not know. but I think it does not work.
[16:26] <TJ-> Jenshae: makes no difference at all; everything is signed from the Releases files on down
[16:27] <alkisg> hajonnes: "nothing happens" if it's already installed. But I can't help you with its use; I don't use gnome; so you could start over and ask in the channel "can someone help me with this xxx gnome extension....|
[16:29] <Jenshae> Cheers TJ-
[16:30] <TJ-> Jenshae: an although Canonical is a UK (GB) company the developers who have signing rights are all over the world and not necessarily subject to GB law
[16:30] <Jenshae> UK? I thought they were South African? Did they re-incorporate?
[16:31] <TJ-> you are misinformed
[16:31] <TJ-> Canonical has always been a UK GB company
[16:31] <hajonnes> alkisg, it's ok. I just think the package might be faulty, the other tutorial say that all extensions should end up in ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions/, the directory is made during the install but it is empty. Thanks for your help I know I have been a nuisance, sorry.
[16:31] <Jenshae> I thought Mark Shuttleworth started it in ZA.
[16:32] <alkisg> hajonnes: deb files never go to ~ (local home). They go to /usr. You can see the files with `dpkg -L gnome-extesion-whats-the-name`
[16:32] <alkisg> hajonnes: https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/all/gnome-shell-extension-gsconnect/filelist
[16:35] <hajonnes> alkisg, ok. yes I saw. they do not end up in home folder. and I do not know why it does not work. I think my system might be a little bonkers... I will try to use the other tutorial and see if it helps. thanks for your help!
[16:35] <alkisg> hajonnes: it's also possible that your user account is miconfigured; I would `sudo adduser user2` and reboot and login as user2, to see if it works there
[16:36] <alkisg> Good luck!
[16:36] <hajonnes> alkisg, ok thanks for the tip, and the luck ;)
[16:37] <Jenshae> See you on the flip side o7
[16:40] <tomreyn> hajonnes: packaged gnome extensions are installed system wide, at /usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions/ - as you can see on the "filelist" link alkisg posted abive
[16:42] <tomreyn> those you install for your user only (manually or thruogh the gnome extension website) go into ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions/
[16:47] <hajonnes> tomreyn, do you know how to start a shell extension? in the wiki (https://github.com/GSConnect/gnome-shell-extension-gsconnect/wiki/Installation#dependencies) it just say it should work.
[16:47] <hajonnes> gsconnect. does not work.
[16:47] <caleb_> hi
[16:48] <tomreyn> hajonnes: place it in your home directory and run gnome-shell-extension-prefs
[16:49] <tomreyn> i mean in ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions/
[16:49] <tomreyn> hi caleb_, got any ubuntu support questions?
[16:50] <leftyfb> hajonnes: you really need to reach out to contact the GSconnect project for support with their extension
[16:51] <caleb_> haveing problems with upadte manger i will load it up and it will just sit there saying connecting for ages and nothing else loads
[16:51] <leftyfb> caleb_: open a terminal and run: sudo apt update
[16:54] <blazeda420s> thank you ill run terminal now
[17:02] <hajonnes> how do I maximize a window up and down but not left right, i.e. elongate it to the edges of the screen?
[17:02] <Jenshae> No joy. I can change settings but can't enable wired or wireless connections on 5.11 but can do so with both on 5.13 and I have done so with both before on 4.15.
[17:02] <hajonnes> @gnome
[17:06] <Jenshae> "W: Target Packages (main/binary-amd64/Packages) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:18 and /etc/apt/sources.list:19"
[17:08] <alkisg> Jenshae: which kernel are you on now? uname -a
[17:09] <Jenshae> " 5.13.0-051300-generic #202106272333 SMP Sun Jun 27 23:36:43 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux "
[17:09] <alkisg> hajonnes: do you mean "win + right-arrow"?
[17:09] <Jenshae> I have no network or second monitor on signed kernels
[17:09] <alkisg> Jenshae: and what's your network drivers now? E.g. lspci -nn -k | grep -A3 Ethernet
[17:10] <leftyfb> Jenshae: sounds like you don't have the -modules or -modules-extra installed for your kernel
[17:12] <Jenshae> " Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller "
[17:12] <alkisg> and the output of this? dpkg -l | grep linux | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:12] <alkisg> (to see which kernel packages you're missing)
[17:15] <hajonnes> alkisg, do you mean I need to use the 'super key' on the keyboard, if so is there an other way? I do not have the super key. I want to make a window expand from bottom of the screen to the top of the screen but not widen it.
[17:16] <Jenshae> "1008 to upgrade, 81 to newly install, 0 to remove and 384 not to upgrade." really hoping I manage to keep my DE.
[17:16] <alkisg> hajonnes: for example, if you pull a window to the right-middle side, it then gets resized to the fill the right part of the screen
[17:16] <leftyfb> hajonnes: default ubuntu with gnome shell should allow you to just grab the bottom of the window and drag it down
[17:17] <alkisg> Jenshae: yeah the problem most probably is that you haven't properly upgraded; if you paste the output of the command I asked for, we'll know more to help you
[17:17] <leftyfb> Jenshae: dpkg -l|grep ^ii.*linux | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:18] <Jenshae> Won't be useful right now. Currently upgrading 1008 packages when I only wanted it to upgrade zfsutils + dependencies.
[17:19] <leftyfb> Jenshae: it is useful to determine what you currently have installed
[17:19] <Jenshae> That is changing as we speak.
[17:19] <leftyfb> Jenshae: also, 1008 packages needing upgrading????
[17:19] <leftyfb> Jenshae: what release are you running and how in the world did to get it into this state?
[17:19] <tomreyn> sounds more like a release upgrade
[17:20] <Jenshae> Yup, I originally tried to only upgrade the kernel and get Variable Refresh Rate working. Then I needed libc6 upgraded and the rabbit hole kept going from there. I can't even use VRR it turns out because I have two displays.
[17:20] <leftyfb> :/
 The only one I have is "deb http://****.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal main" do I need more or is that sufficient?
[17:21] <leftyfb> Jenshae: future reference, you should never install packages (including kernels ) from a different release
[17:21] <Jenshae> I now have all of your uncommented repos and that is what is happening with the 5.13 kernel.
[17:21] <hajonnes> alkisg, leftyfb, yes. but e.g. windows. drag the bottom of the window to the bottom of the screen and it elongates both up and down. kde-plasma, middle mouse click on the middle button up in the corner of the window and it elongates to maximum. is there a similar way in gnome?
[17:22] <leftyfb> Jenshae: kernel 5.13 is not a supported kernel in ubuntu btw
[17:22] <Jenshae> leftyfb: It was fiiIIIiiinnNNNnnneEEEeee except that ZFS broke.
[17:22] <leftyfb> Jenshae: so it wasn't fine
[17:22] <leftyfb> Jenshae: and not supported, don't do it
[17:23] <Jenshae> I got it from the ubuntu website. Started with 5.11 and then tried 5.8, every time I used a signed kernel, I lost network and my second display but regained ZFS.
[17:23] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1926938
[17:23] <leftyfb> Jenshae: if you have issues, come here and ask for help. Don't go installing random packages you download. You'll get into a very unsupported situation and usually broken
[17:23] <Jenshae> I have learnt quite a bit with this trial and error approach. Mostly about why they "freeze" versions.
[17:24] <alkisg> Jenshae: ubuntu 20.04 has kernel 5.11; you don't need to get it from the mainline ppa; and your actual issue probably is that you didn't download the 5.11 kernel modules
[17:24] <leftyfb> Jenshae: 5.13 should be available for ubuntu 21.10 which will be out in October, but it's not released yet and not supported. This is probably how you found it on ubuntu's website
[17:25] <alkisg> While if you properly updated, you'd have the official 5.11 along with its modules
[17:25] <alkisg> The official ubuntu kernels include the zfs module; otherwise you'd need zfsonlinux/dkms
[17:25] <leftyfb> Jenshae: either way, there's nothing left to do until you finish your upgrade. From there I highly recommend going back to 5.11 and we can troubleshoot any issues from there
[17:25] <pi0> is there a ubuntu 20.04 minimal
[17:25] <Jenshae> I just found a list of kernels, grabbed 5.11 and installed it manually. It worked except for ZFS, surprisingly stable.
[17:26] <Jenshae> I figured I could just boot back into 4.15 if it went wrong. Nope.
[17:26] <pi0> iso
[17:26] <alkisg> And that was the wrong thing to do, since 5.11 was normally available; there was no need to "grab it online"
[17:26] <Junxter> 20.x is a downgrade from 18,  which is a downgrade from 16.  in almost every aspect.  Forced to upgrade 20.x only due to compatibility issue of external packages, which stopped working with older versions of Ubuntu.  A real shame.
[17:27] <leftyfb> pi0: yes, it's called ubuntu server
[17:27] <leftyfb> Junxter: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[17:27] <Jenshae> leftyfb: If there is ** zero ** network capabilities on 5.11 then we can't continue ... or maybe we can with apt-offline ... hmm ...
[17:27] <ioria> Jenshae, what's your libc6 version ? apt-cache policy libc6
[17:28] <Jenshae> "libc6:  Installed: 2.31-0ubuntu9.2"
[17:28] <kissofdeath> hey linuxers
[17:28] <ioria> Jenshae, it's ok
[17:28] <Jenshae> I'll be back if Franky here survives the reboot.
[17:29] <leftyfb> that was a bad ida
[17:29] <leftyfb> idea*
[17:29] <leftyfb> bit of a cowboy there
[17:30] <tomreyn> pi0: are you looking for a smaller installer download?
[17:32] <leftyfb> Jenshae: if you are now running ubuntu 20.04, then you should install linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04 and remove --purge any 5.13 package
[17:32] <Jenshae> Okay 5.13 booted. Will see if rebooting into 5.11 works. I also have two icons for everything in my taskbar now.
[17:32] <leftyfb> Jenshae: please see my suggestion above
[17:32] <Jenshae> I see it and that would be sawing off the log that I am sitting on.
[17:33] <leftyfb> alkisg: ioria: ok, they're all yours
[17:33] <ioria> heheh
[17:33] <leftyfb> these ones don't want to listen until it's too late
[17:34] <alkisg> Yeah I gave up on him a while ago :)
[17:36] <Jenshae> Upgraded --> booted into signed 5.11 kernel --> absolutely no network. I can change settings but I can't enable the connections.
[17:37] <ioria> Jenshae, if you are on focal, 5.11 is available via the hwe stack; you don't need an external pkg for that; i suggest you remove it and enable the stack
[17:37] <Jenshae> I installed 5.11 via apt from the focal repository.
[17:38] <leftyfb> Jenshae: do you want this working?
[17:38] <Jenshae> If I remove 5.13, I will have NO kernel that can establish a network connection.
[17:38] <leftyfb> Jenshae: if so, then you need to follow suggestions and provide information we have asked for. None of which you have done
[17:38] <leftyfb> Jenshae: remove the 5.11 packages you installed and then install linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04
[17:39] <ioria> Jenshae, dpkg -l | grep linux-modules | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:39] <ioria> Jenshae, you probably miss some pieces
[17:40] <ioria> Jenshae,  install --reinstalling the metapkg ( linux-generic-hwe-20.04) should fix it
[17:42] <Jenshae> "sudo apt remove linux-modules-5.11.0-16-generic linux-headers-5.11.0-051100 linux-headers-5.11.0-051100-generic"
[17:42] <Jenshae> "After this operation, 201 MB disk space will be freed."
[17:43] <Jenshae> " dpkg: warning: while removing linux-headers-5.11.0-051100-generic, directory '/lib/modules/5.11.0-051100-generic' not empty so not removed "
[17:44] <Jenshae> " sudo apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04 " ?
[17:45] <Jenshae> The following NEW packages will be installed -  linux-image-5.11.0-27-generic linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04 linux-modules-5.11.0-27-generic linux-modules-extra-5.11.0-27-generic
[17:46] <leftyfb> Jenshae: dpkg -l|grep ^ii.*linux | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:46] <leftyfb> Jenshae: PLEASE share this information here
[17:46] <tomreyn> but just the url, not the full output
[17:47] <Jenshae> Going to see what 5.11 looks like now. brb
[17:47]  * leftyfb throws hands up for real this tim
[17:49] <Jenshae> Success! Thanks leftyfb if felt like you weren't hearing me but I figured out what you meant. I am now on 5.11 with network, second monitor and ZFS.
[17:49] <Jenshae> ... and no, I am not comfortable outputting everything to a website I have never heard of before.
[17:50] <Jenshae> Thank you for your help guys. Have a good weekend.
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> !cookie
[18:03] <Junxter> having hard time deciphering mem usage, which disagree among different reporting utilities
[18:05] <tomreyn> Junxter: if you're looking for help with this, you should share the commands you rand and the outputs they providedm and your interpretation of those.
[18:06] <tomreyn> rand -> ran
[18:06] <Junxter> on host A, "free -h" indicates 1G used, ps_mem indicates 162MB used.  running 14.04 LTS, with 16GB RAM
[18:06] <tomreyn> !14.04
[18:07] <Junxter> on host B, "free -h" indicates 86M used, ps_mem indicates 62 MB used, running 16.0 LTS, with 16GB  RAM
[18:07] <tomreyn> !16.04
[18:08] <tomreyn> so you're comparing results of two end of life releases. there's commercial extended support available for those, but not here.
[18:08] <Junxter> i think the ps_mem indication is closer to actual usage. not sure what to make of the "used" number reported in free
[18:09] <Junxter> fine .
[18:09] <Junxter> can I ask the same question regarding 20.04 ?
[18:09] <Junxter> the same pattern is seen on 20.04
[18:10] <Junxter> on host C, "free -h" indicates 167M used, ps_mem actually sees more, indicating 230MB used, running 20.04 on 16GB
[18:11] <Junxter> i am quite confused why RAM use numbers differ on "free -h" and ps_mem.
[18:12] <tomreyn> 20.04 LTS is supported, sure. :) the difference is probably due to these tools calculating it differently. which ps_mem do you use?
[18:12] <Junxter> ps_mem installed from pip3
[18:12] <Junxter> pip3 installed from stock apt
[18:13] <Junxter> I don't see a version number available on ps_mem though.
[18:16] <tomreyn> does    vmstat -sSM    report values similar to ps_mem?
[18:17] <Junxter> "used memory" reported by vmstat -sSM is in agreement with free -h, namely 165M, whereas ps_mem reports 230M.
[18:18] <Junxter> if I may, the amount of disagreement is much smaller than previous versions though.  So on 20.04, seems to be fine ?
[18:19] <tomreyn> so you have two system utilities reporting merely the same, and one other utility reporting something different. this would make me want to understand what this other utility (ps_mem) does , and does differently
[18:19] <Junxter> sure
[18:19] <rfm> Junxter, I have no idea what ps_mem is or does, but if it's adding up the memory used by each process, it will multi- count any shared memory
[18:19] <Junxter> ah that's why
[18:20] <Junxter> ps_mem reports memory usage of individual processes, and then tallies them up
[18:21] <Junxter> on my other 20.04 host, this pattern is seen repeated.   free -h / vmstat in agreement slightly under ps_mem grand total (double counted)
[18:21] <Junxter> thanks for the help. this clarifies things and make me more comfortable with 20.04
[18:24] <iomari891> greetings, are there any alternatives to the kde repo: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/? I keeps failing when I try to add kde.
[18:24] <cluelessperson> Question,  supposedly my wifi card is fully supported by linux, but I'm only seeing 50mbps on it, rather than full 1gbps.   How do I troubleshoot this?
[18:25] <iomari891> sorry. It keeps failing not I keep failing
[18:25] <tomreyn> iomari891: try asking this in #kubuntu
[18:25] <iomari891> tomreyn: ok
[18:26] <iomari891> I asked here because I'm trying to add it to a Ubuntu desktop.
[18:27] <tomreyn> iomari891: so you don't actually use kde?
[18:29] <tomreyn> iomari891: can we see the command you run and the output it generates when "it fails when [you] try to add kde"? do you know how to do this on the terminal?
[18:33] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: try setting powersaving to 2 in /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf
[18:33] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, is there a way to set this actively now to test?
[18:34] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: change this configuration, then    systemctl restart NetworkManager
[18:34] <tomreyn> this should make you reconnect
[18:34] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, is there a way to set that setting without changing files?
[18:34] <tomreyn> i do not know
[18:36] <cluelessperson> fair enough
[18:36] <cluelessperson> I'll try it
[18:37] <jeremy31> cluelessperson: you can find the commands in the second code box on my answer at https://askubuntu.com/a/910186
[18:37] <cluelessperson> back
[18:38] <cluelessperson> what was the command to get wifi device info again?
[18:38] <cluelessperson> I've forgotten it >.>
[18:38] <jeremy31> lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net
[18:39] <cluelessperson> I'm thinking wifi link state
[18:39] <jeremy31> iwconfig should show power management status
[18:40] <tomreyn> nmcli device   should show state of NM managed devices
[18:40] <iomari891> tomreyn: I use noting but kde. A friend of mine installed Ubuntu instead of kubuntu by mistake and I want ot install kde on it. I added the repo, updated and ran apr install kde-full. It starts but eventually fails with "Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/pool/main/s/systemsettings/systemse......."
[18:40] <iomari891> nothing
[18:40] <cluelessperson> getting ~80mbps now
[18:40] <jeremy31> Is it Intel or Atheros wifi?
[18:42] <tomreyn> iomari891: can you show   sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999    and   sudo apt-get update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999    and   apt-cache policy 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:44] <cluelessperson> jeremy31, Intel
[18:44] <tomreyn> iomari891: and once you're done there:    sudo apt-get -yV --simulate full-upgrade 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999   ;   apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:45] <jeremy31> cluelessperson: Intels kernel module hasn't done well with power management enabled
[18:46] <cluelessperson> WLAN: Intel® 9560 802.11AC (2 x 2)
[18:46] <cluelessperson> So, now I'm seeing ~80mbps,  but still not AC speeds of 1000mbps
[18:46] <tomreyn> how are you testing throughput / bandwidth?
[18:46] <jeremy31> Another thing to try with Intel, this will disconnect you for a bit is>  sudo modprobe -r iwlwifi && sleep 5 && sudo modprobe iwlwifi 11n_disable=8
[18:47] <jeremy31> That will enable aggressive TX and could improve speed, a reload of the driver or a reboot will return to normal settingd
[18:47] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, typical internet speedtest
[18:48] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: and your internet connection can handle 1000 Mbps?
[18:49] <tomreyn> you should rather test on your LAN if that's an option
[18:50] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, my lan shows ~900mbps, yeh
[18:50] <cluelessperson> I also have iperf and other stuff I can run
[18:50] <tomreyn> i mean the wireless lan
[18:50] <cluelessperson> my wifi devices support AC
[18:50] <cluelessperson> UAP-AC-Lite and UAP-AC-Pro
[18:51] <tomreyn> when you say "my lan shows ~900mbps, yeh", do you mean your local wireless connection, or ethernet?
[18:51] <cluelessperson> Over ethernet, I am able to easily achieve 800+ mbps
[18:51] <tomreyn> how much do you achieve on the local wireless connection?
[18:52] <cluelessperson> 80mbps
[18:52] <tomreyn> okaym continue as jeremy31 suggested
[18:52] <tomreyn> sorry jeremy, this seemed like it's worth clarifying ;)
[18:53] <cluelessperson> here goes jeremy31 's suggetsion
[18:53] <iomari891> tomreyn: the first command shows: https://termbin.com/tktc  and the 2nd hangs until I press ctrl-c
[18:55] <iomari891> tomreyn: the 3rd series of commands hangs like the 2nd
[18:56] <tomreyn> iomari891: replace the second command with this then:    sudo apt-get update >/tmp/apt_tomreyn 2>&1; cat /tmp/apt_tomreyn| nc termbin.com 9999
[18:57] <tomreyn> iomari891: replace the third command with:    sudo true && sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:58] <tomreyn> the fourth with    sudo true && sudo apt-get update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999    and the fifth should actually work.
[19:05] <cluelessperson> jeremy31, it took several minutes to reconnect but here
[19:05] <cluelessperson> still <=80mbps
[19:05] <cluelessperson> 100 up?
[19:06] <jeremy31> cluelessperson: any chance the wifi router has TKIP encryption enabled as it might cause issues
[19:06] <cluelessperson> jeremy31, no, just WPA2/3
[19:06] <jeremy31> can you make it just wpa2 for a test
[19:08] <cluelessperson> maybe
[19:09] <cluelessperson> jeremy31, it's been this way for a long time though
[19:09] <cluelessperson> but yeah, looking up the specs of the wifi card
[19:09] <cluelessperson> supports 1.73 Gbps
[19:10] <jeremy31> cluelessperson: run the 2 commands @https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/a2bee9856d8c13f42f1835bc31bf9480 in terminal and post the termbin URL after the second command is done
[19:11] <cluelessperson> switching my wifi router to 80mhz
[19:11] <cluelessperson> bandwidth
[19:28] <cluelessperson> jeremy31, jesus it takes forever to reconnect to this hidden network
[19:38] <cluelessperson> jeremy31, https://termbin.com/u3x3
[19:39] <cluelessperson> Interesting though
[19:39] <cluelessperson> Bit Rate=866.7 Mb/s
[19:40] <cluelessperson> Speedtest: ~160mbps down.
[19:42] <tomreyn> so apparently the answer to    <tomreyn> cluelessperson: and your internet connection can handle 1000 Mbps?   is "no"
[19:42] <tomreyn> (but so far bandwidth on the internet link was still fast enough to demonstrate the issue)
[19:43] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, I have gigabit internet, which usually measures 900+ mbps over ethernet cable.
[19:45] <tomreyn> hmm maybe you hit a slow server then on the speedtest
[19:45]  * cluelessperson starts iperf on his server
[19:45] <cluelessperson> 134mbps through another speedtest service.
[19:46] <jeremy31> Might want to change the 5Ghz channel as there are a few other APs on channel 36
[19:46] <cluelessperson> jeremy31, I live in an apartment complex and periodically have my AP network "scan the environment" to find less used channels.
[19:49] <jeremy31> Strange that your own AP doesn't have the strongest signal on that channel
[19:49] <jeremy31> The script results got cut short for some reason so I don't see the channel occupancy report
[19:52] <cluelessperson> jeremy31,   My AP is among the strongest channels I think
[19:52] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, iperf to my local lan server shows 180mbps
[19:53] <cluelessperson> jeremy31, the script results are longer than termbin accepts I think,   I can email you the tar/gzipped file if you want.
[19:55] <jeremy31> Just search it for the channel occupancy results and see if a channel is available with less APs
[19:56] <spinningcat> should i change www owner to www-data and permission should be 641 to use with normal user right?
[19:56] <dust> did u already change that at install with lvm the swap size is changed to double the ram size or at least it can be changed?
[19:58] <spinningcat> i didnt do such things
[20:33] <Sven_vB> hi :) I connect from focal to focal via SSH, and the SSH session runs a "screen" terminal multiplexer remotely. my local terminal window senses window size updates, "stty size" reports accordingly. however, when I command screen to "fit" (C-a F), it adapts to the size that my local terminal had at start of the SSH session. how can I forward the size changes?
[20:35] <spinningcat> i try to change folder's owner to www-data but ubuntu didnt let me do that
[20:36] <spinningcat> what can be the reason?
[20:37] <Sven_vB> spinningcat, you might lack sufficient permissions. try the chmod as root.
[20:37] <spinningcat> i did sudo -s
[20:38] <spinningcat> sudo usermod -a -G www-data  ... i guess this command did the trick
[20:39] <spinningcat> in order to use www as normal use i need permission 641 right
[20:44] <cheater> hi
[20:45] <cheater> i have a ubuntu system booting in a vm. it used to boot normally, but suddenly something seems to have changed about my system, and it doesn't boot. it boots into the recovery console, and syslog shows it fails to boot after this line: Linux systemd[1]: Received SIGRTMIN+21 from PID 460 (plymouthd)
[20:45] <cheater> i have tried searching for why plymouthd might be crashing, but i have no ideas. could someone help me figure this out please?
[20:54] <Sven_vB> !info plymouthd
[20:54] <Sven_vB> !info plymouth
[20:55] <Sven_vB> cheater, try booting a Live DVD in the VM and recover the log files for plymouthd, if there are any
[20:55] <cheater> Sven_vB: i don't need to boot a live dvd. i get a recovery console.
[20:56] <cheater> Sven_vB: are there any logs for it?
[20:59] <Sven_vB> I have no idea
[21:01] <cheater> oops. wrong button
[21:01] <cheater> so it logs to /var/log/boot.log
[21:01] <cheater> it's complaining about an entry in fstab
[21:01] <cheater> which i think doesn't exist
[21:01] <cheater> let's see if commenting that out helps
[21:01] <Slartibart> Um.. Where do I control the bottom programs/start menu/icons bar in kubuntu system settings(?)? I got a couple of monitors working here, but there's no bottom bar/startmenu anywhere. I marked one of the monitors as the main one in desktop/monitor settings.
[21:02] <cheater> idk, but i think those are called "panels", so maybe that'll help you search
[21:02] <cheater> yup, commenting that fstab line helped
[21:07] <cheater> commenting that fstab line helped. and it's failing because the disk definition in the vm refers to the wrong physical disk number
[21:29] <Guest55> hi
[21:47] <renpic> Hello
[21:47] <yukiup> HELLO
[21:59] <f91w> Is there a program to view images, which provides modifiable keybindings/macros to move an image into different folders, depending on which key is pressed? I have a dir with many different images, and I'd like to organize them manually into subdirectories by content type by looking through them, then moving them. Doing this with a file manager is cumbersome and slow.
[22:45] <renpic> when I have to do that, I use geeqie; it is not as smooth as I'd like, thou. You can mark images with a number key. When you're done, you can for example select all the image marked as 1, and move them to one place; then you repeat for those which were marked with 2, and so on...