[00:18] <tich> tomreyn: sorry I was disconnected. How do I force install firmware-sof-signed?
[00:26] <tich> tomreyn: they are wired headphones, and the computer is connected to a tv through HDMI but as far as I can tell the tv isnt receiving sound
[00:27] <tich> tomreyn: I tried apt-get install --force-yes but it has been depreciated
[00:32] <frib> How can I cast to my LG smart TV from ubuntu?
[00:34] <Sanick> HDMI
[00:37] <Hash> or if you have a chromecast
[00:37] <Hash> (I only know google stuff, not apple)
[00:37] <Hash> Chromecast into hdmi TV and you can cast most online video sites and youtube etc.
[00:37] <Hash> you can even cast your entire desktop to TV over wifi
[00:38] <Hash> With HDMI, you can't 'cast'. You can extend the display only.
[00:38] <Hash> So a slight correction on the information provided.
[00:38] <Hash> frib: ^
[00:39] <frib> I don't have an hdmi port or a chromecast
[00:39] <frib> I'm trying miracle cast right now
[00:39] <Hash> Does your tv run any smart apps?
[00:39] <frib> i'm not sure what that means.. its a smart tv
[00:39] <frib> it has apps
[00:39] <Hash> ok
[00:39] <Hash> maybe it can run a vnc client on tv? server on ubuntu?
[00:39] <Hash> Never tried it, dunno if it's possible.
[00:40] <Hash> Then again, how would you give input to the tv? hmm.
[00:40] <Hash> don't think it's possible without wifi or a cable.
[00:41] <frib> i'm trying to cast over wifi
[00:41] <Hash> But the tv needs a casting device or a vnc client
[00:42] <frib> huh
[00:42] <frib> how does casting from smart phone work
[00:42] <frib> lots of applications do it
[00:42] <Hash> Try ##hardware too
[00:42] <Hash> the tv needs some kind of app to connect to your pc or phone
[00:42] <Hash> https://www.samsung.com/latin_en/support/tv-audio-video/how-to-use-the-remote-access-on-your-samsung-smart-tv/
[00:42] <frib> im tyring miraclecast
[00:42] <Hash> samsung for example has something
[00:43] <Hash> insignia tv also have their own app store
[00:43] <Hash> https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/471745-smart-tv-vnc-solution
[00:43] <frib> its an lg tv
[00:44] <Hash> https://alenblog.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/stream-computer-desktop-to-tv-using-dlna-tversity-and-vlc/
[00:44] <Hash> read this
[00:44] <Hash> Without the proper hardware, you cannot.
[00:44] <Hash> Unless the TV has a build in RDP or VNC client in its app store
[00:45] <Hash> then it can listen on wifi on it's own ip, and any phone or desktop canc onnect to it.
[00:45] <Hash> thats about all I konw
[00:45] <Hash> perhaps #networking or #hardware can help more
[00:45] <frib> it's not that complicated
[00:46] <Hash> I know. I have a chromecast :)
[00:46] <Hash> And TV with HDMI
[00:46] <RadSurfer> Anyone know why loading a MIDI into Audacity produces NO OUTPUT? Can't here a thing, but apparently MIDI contents are displayed! Thanks.
[00:46] <Hash> I send all my desktop youtube videos to the big TV over wifi
[00:46] <Hash> RadSurfer: you need a midi audio system
[00:46] <RadSurfer> How does MuseScore manage it?
[00:47] <frib> miraclecast should do it...
[00:47] <Hash> apt install timidity perhaps?
[00:48] <Hash> You need some kind of a midi playback backend system
[00:48] <Hash> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+package/timidity
[00:48] <RadSurfer> timidity is 150mb, ouch
[00:48] <Hash> :(
[00:48] <Hash> It is a big hefty
[00:49] <Hash> Are you working with very little space?
[00:49] <RadSurfer> not a lot...
[00:49] <RadSurfer> 500gb
[00:49] <Hash> you're good.
[00:49] <Hash> 150mb is a fraction of it
[00:49] <RadSurfer> U have no idea whats already installed! LOL
[00:49] <Hash> I don't!
[00:50] <Hash> Mabe you can disable -recommended and suggested packages etc.
[00:50] <Hash> only use absolutely dependent packages only
[00:54] <RadSurfer> timidity does not support drag/drop, this is a foolish minimalist program!
[00:54] <RadSurfer> it did however play the midi file in question...
[00:55] <Hash> run it as a deamon in bg
[00:55] <Hash> Then audacity configurtion set to timidity maybe for midi engine
[00:55] <RadSurfer> indeed
[00:55] <Hash> and then audacity will play midis I think
[00:55] <frib> my wifi adapter doesn't support miracle cast
[00:56] <Hash> frib: :(
[00:56] <RadSurfer> do u know where in Audactiy to do that please?
[00:56] <Hash> I dunno. I don't use it. :P
[00:56] <Hash> I used to. I forgot now.
[00:56] <Hash> Edit > Preferences (on bottom of menu)
[00:56] <Hash> Then MIDI devices
[00:57] <RadSurfer> playing from command line works fine! :) checking Aud...
[00:57] <Hash> And Devices tab
[00:57] <Hash> mess around in there
[00:57] <Hash> hey cool. glad it works. I know cuz I have to use some oldschool dooom2 wads who use midi music who won't play unless timidity
[00:58] <Hash> and few other games of oldschool
[00:58] <RadSurfer> It only lists ALSO, and Midi through Port-0 for me
[00:58] <RadSurfer> ALSA
[00:59] <RadSurfer> audacity is silent. no recognition of timidity
[01:00] <Hash> hmm
[01:00] <Hash> \o/
[01:05] <RadSurfer> Wow! Timidity certainly does sound very good!
[01:06] <Kel> oh that reminds me, I've been meaning to find an alternative for Audacity
[01:06] <Kel> which is truly disappointing as it's a great tool
[01:07] <Hash> Just use the older version
[01:07] <Hash> I never updated.
[01:07] <Hash> That one is still great and still FOSS
[01:07] <RadSurfer> but this minimalist design is a realy turn-off... filenames are case SENSITIVE, sheesh!
[01:07] <Kel> mmm, that' works
[01:07] <Hash> Audacity 2.3.3 is what I have on 20.04
[01:13] <RadSurfer> been hearing mixed reviews about audacity, not being as good or even as safe as previous versions. not that we can trust internet these days? LOL
[01:14] <Kel> RadSurfer: aye, hence pinning an older version before the takeover.
[01:14] <Hash> In April 2021, it was announced that Muse Group (owners of MuseScore and Ultimate Guitar) would be acquiring the Audacity trademark and continue to contribute to development of the software, which remains free and open source
[01:14] <RadSurfer> MuseScore apparently can NOT properly handle many MIDIs... missing/incorrectly mapped instruments a common issue
[01:15] <Hash> LMMS is another
[01:15] <Hash> Might work for ya
[01:15] <RadSurfer> and MuseScore also has an annoying "stutter/pausing issue"
[01:16] <RadSurfer> except that it WILL display Score of a Midi file; and let you export that Score (music sheet) to pdf
[01:16] <RadSurfer> MuseScore WILL also convert to .wav
[01:16] <rud0lf> i think you need soundbank for that?
[01:39] <Guest74> hows it going i need help with ubuntu . ive tried installing many times . ive got an amd ryzen 1400 gpu and i get a black screen on boot
[01:40] <Guest74> im on try mode right now
[01:40] <lantech19446> anyone here know anything about ubuntu becoming super slow on hyper-v? so far the only solution i've found is to replace the kernel with linux-azure but i'm wondering if that actually does anything
[01:47] <Guest74> hows it going i need help with ubuntu . ive tried installing many times . ive got an amd ryzen 1400 gpu and i get a black screen on boot
[01:50] <Bashing-om> Guest74: Show us the output of terminal command ' lspci -vnn | grep VGA -A 12 '. We see here if and what hardware is detected.
[01:51] <Guest74> is that the command line to put in ?
[01:52] <Bashing-om> Guest74: Yeah exluding the ' marks. Just there to highlight the command string.
[01:53] <Guest74> how do i post a screen shot
[01:53] <Guest74> 1f:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480/570/570X/580/580X/590] [1002:67df] (rev e7) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[01:53] <Guest74> 	Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. [MSI] Radeon RX 580 Armor 4G OC [1462:3418]
[01:53] <Guest74> 	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
[01:53] <Guest74> 	Memory at e0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
[01:53] <Guest74> 	Memory at f0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=2M]
[01:53] <Guest74> 	I/O ports at e000 [size=256]
[01:54] <Bashing-om> !paste | Guest74
[01:54] <Bashing-om> Guest74: My bad not to so advise of pasteing :(
[01:54] <Guest74> sorry for some reason it said cannot send to nick/channel
[01:56] <Guest74> i direct messaged u bashing
[01:57] <Guest74> !paste
[01:58] <jeffmr> how would I query the hardware of my laptop's internal microphone?
[01:58] <Guest74> https://pastebin.com/AZYMUc9u
[01:59] <Bashing-om> Guest74: looking ^
[02:05] <Guest74> any advice on trouble shooting or where i can learn would be cool too man
[02:10] <wagga> Hi, is there a way to get to a live shell using https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current ? I don't want to install ubuntu, I just want a live shell with zfs and dm-crypt support so that I can use it as a recovery disk.
[02:10] <Bashing-om> Guest74: Takes the amdgpu driver that is supplied in the kernel :) .. so is the module available ? Pastebin ' modinfo -F alias [radeon|amdgpu] '
[02:12] <Bashing-om> wagga: Once the desktop loads - key combo ctl+alt+t will get you a terminal interface.
[02:13] <Guest74> where it says [radeon|amdgpu] do i put my actual pcs hardware ?
[02:15] <Bashing-om> Guest74: No - that is the actual command to execute as is :D ( see that is why peer review is importannt).
[02:15] <Guest74> or how would you know its available
[02:15] <wagga> Bashing-om: Oops, I actually have the ubuntu-server install media from https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-live/current/. IS there a way to get to a shell using that install media? Or should I switch to the desktop live cd for this purpose?
[02:16] <Bashing-om> wagga: try F4.
[02:16] <wagga> I was worried that if I continued through the UI on the ubuntu-server install media, that it might actually install ubuntu-server and write over my disks.
[02:16] <Guest74> modinfo -F alias [radeon|amdgpu]
[02:16] <Guest74> modinfo: ERROR: Module alias [radeon not found.
[02:16] <Guest74> amdgpu]: command not found
[02:18] <Bashing-om> Guest74: Ouch ! No something is not right maybe just because you are in "try ubuntu" on a live disk ? Or is this from the installed system ?
[02:19] <Guest74> im on try now. but when i did a apt-update apt-upgrade input i rebooted and got a black screen. also while installed i had to go into recovery mode to log in
[02:20] <wagga> Bashing-om: At what point should I try F4? Should I am just passed selecting the keyboard layout. It is asking me if I would like wifi support to be installed. I am just a little worried that I might end up actually installing ubuntu. Is there a point that I will be able to press F4 and get a shell and avoid installing ubuntu?
[02:21] <Bashing-om> wagga: Sorry - at this point my confidence not to mislead you is wanning. We best wait for better experience here to advise on this.
[02:22] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | Guest74
[02:22] <wagga> Okay, I will try the desktop version. I was expecting the server version to take me right to a shell.
[02:22] <wagga> But if I can switch to a shell using the desktop version, that suits me fine.
[02:23] <Bashing-om> Guest74: Let's try this and boot the install with this boot parameter. See what then we can see,
[02:23] <Bashing-om> wagga: me thinks the desk top is the prefered rescue option.
[02:24] <wagga> Bashing-om: Thanks, I will switch to desktop
[02:29] <pi0> not sure how to fix this, i was trying to install nvidia drivers, now something is broke :/
[02:29] <pi0> https://dpaste.org/fCD9#L11
[02:34] <Bashing-om> pi0: "75 not fully installed or removed." .... run ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ' and how are you attempting to install the driver ?
[02:37] <pi0> i do want to install the driver
[02:38] <pi0> but now i am stuck on that part
[02:38] <pi0> even if i reboot
[02:38] <pi0> the error message is the same
[02:39] <Hash> lantech19446: consider running a less graphics variant of ubuntu?
[02:40] <Hash> perhaps something less heavy on resources when inside a vm
[02:40] <Hash> Lubuntu or Xubuntu perhaps?
[02:40] <lantech19446> Hash: I probably wasn't specific enough, it's my internet speed that's effected
[02:40] <Hash> Hmm.
[02:40] <Hash> How do you notice this?
[02:41] <Hash> Also I think from my experience/memory serves correctly, it may also have to do with how you configured your network card
[02:41] <Hash> Bridge mode (talking directly to your LAN's DHCP) in that mode it's faster
[02:41] <lantech19446> it's our web server and the site not only loads super slow but when i run speed test instead of the 350Mbps everything else on my network gets it's getting like 30Mbps
[02:41] <Bashing-om> pi0: ack - so what method did you use in the attempt ? So we know how to direct the removal.
[02:41] <Hash> if you do NAT for VM internal network, then that is slower
[02:41] <Hash> i have noticed that if I used NAT, inside a VM, my download speed inside the vm goes way down.
[02:42] <Hash> So perhaps look into that
[02:42] <Hash> Try Bridge network mode for your virtual nic
[02:42] <lantech19446> that's a  virtualbox thing not hyper-v
[02:42] <Hash> Ok.
[02:42] <Hash> It's all I know, maybe someone more knows
[02:42] <lantech19446> hyper-v uses virtual switches which are essentially bridge mde it's the only way to do it
[02:43] <pi0> sudo apt install nvidia-driver-460-server
[02:43] <Hash> hyper-v is prop. so I dunno it.
[02:43] <Hash> I use only free things
[02:43] <Hash> :)
[02:43] <pi0> but not sure if that was the correct driver to install
[02:43] <pi0> not i just want to remove it
[02:44] <Bashing-om> pi0: try then ' sudo apt remove --purge nvidia-* ' .
[02:44] <pi0> with purge or somethign
[02:44] <pi0> doesnt purge actually remote it ?
[02:44] <Hash> you can use a ubuntu driver detection software to find out what driver belongs to a pciid
[02:44] <Hash> I forgot the name of it
[02:45] <Bashing-om> pi0: Is that not what you indicated >> "i do want to install the driver".
[02:45] <pi0> : Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[02:45] <Kel> would dpkg-reconfigure be helpful here?
[02:45] <pi0> at first i wanted to install
[02:45] <pi0> but now  i just want to remove it
[02:46] <Kel> ah
[02:46] <Hash> \https://bpa.st/AVMA for example
[02:46] <Hash> https://bpa.st/AVMA for example
[02:46] <Hash> that should find you the correct nvidia driver you need
[02:47] <Hash> --purge options wipes the config files also, but without --purge, you can remove package and keep the config files
[02:47] <Bashing-om> pi0: what results ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ; sudo apt -f install ' ? if errors show all in a pastebin.
[02:48] <pi0> update / no errors , trying the others
[02:49] <Bashing-om> !info libc6-i386 focal
[02:49] <pi0> Hash: i tried that command
[02:49] <Hash> lantech19446: maybe try a ##windows-server or something channel perhaps a microsoft one
[02:49] <pi0> https://dpaste.org/xhAS -> full-upgrade
[02:49] <lantech19446> Hash: i did they didn't have any suggestions either :(
[02:49] <Hash> Aww
[02:50] <Hash> pi0: now do the last one, -f install
[02:50] <pi0> https://dpaste.org/xU2h
[02:50] <pi0> that is for the -f
[02:50] <Hash> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[02:51] <Hash> Oh, you have a locked file problem
[02:51] <Hash> you can try to see who is locking this file and kill the process
[02:51] <Bashing-om> pi0: "libc6:i386 (>= 2.4)" ^^ what release is this we are working with ?
[02:52] <pi0> 20.01
[02:53] <pi0> 20.04
[02:53] <pi0> i mean
[02:53] <pi0> how do i check what is locking the file
[02:53] <Hash> lsof
[02:53] <Hash> man the page
[02:54] <Hash> also man lslocks
[02:54] <SupremeKai> Hello! How can I check the default spell checker installed/used at Ubuntu 20.04?
[02:54] <Hash> should be aspell no?
[02:55] <Hash> most things have aspell plugins but I dunno this one.
[02:56] <pi0> sudo lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[02:56] <pi0> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1000/gvfs
[02:56] <pi0>       Output information may be incomplete.
[02:56] <pi0> sudo lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[02:56] <pi0> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1000/gvfs
[02:56] <pi0>       Output information may be incomplete.
[02:56] <Hash> Please utilize a pastebin
[02:56] <Hash> !paste
[02:56] <Hash> Hangon. Some @ should see soon and -q
[02:57] <SupremeKai> Hash, I guess so, I uninstalled aspell but it still is checking
[02:58] <SupremeKai> I have some other *spell* stuff installed: ~$ sudo apt list --installed | grep spell
[02:58] <SupremeKai> WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
[02:58] <SupremeKai> hunspell-de-at-frami/focal,focal,now 1:6.4.3-1 all [installed,automatic]
[02:58] <SupremeKai> hunspell-de-ch-frami/focal,focal,now 1:6.4.3-1 all [installed,automatic]
[02:58] <SupremeKai> hunspell-de-de-frami/focal,focal,now 1:6.4.3-1 all [installed,automatic]
[02:58] <SupremeKai> hunspell-en-au/focal,focal,now 1:2018.04.16-1 all [installed,automatic]
[02:58] <Hash> SupremeKai: see what ubottu said about paste
[02:59] <pi0> sorry about that
[02:59] <Hash> np
[02:59] <SupremeKai> sorry
[02:59] <Hash> Remember, even a really long line for some people's irc clients takes a lot of space
[02:59] <pi0> i did not realize i pasted twice, but not sure if that is the file
[02:59] <SupremeKai> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jss3W48SKC/
[03:00] <Hash> oh hunspell. I have no idea really about spell checkers since I use google docs
[03:01] <Hash> pi0: you lsof the wrong file
[03:01] <SupremeKai> Hash, even here at the hexchat it does a spell check and I would like to remove the spell check
[03:01] <Hash> pi0: lsof the file reported by the pre/post install scripts
[03:01] <pi0> oh no, which file did i need to lsof?
[03:01] <webchat22> sup its guest74 im back . i didnt know how to put a temporary boot parameter . my ubuntu is fully installed .. could i get the command for checking my drivers again
[03:02] <Hash> SupremeKai: that should be in settings. usually there is a hexchat plugin you can disable
[03:02] <SupremeKai> https://pasteboard.co/Kh9IiFp.png
[03:03] <SupremeKai> Hash, it does the spell checking on every software here on ubuntu
[03:04] <Hash> https://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/tips.html#unix
[03:04] <Bashing-om> webchat22: You are on the install now ? ' modinfo -F alias [radeon|amdgpu] '
[03:04] <Hash> Install enchant and your spelling dictionaries via your package manager  <- remove ehcnant perhaps?
[03:05] <Hash> Then make sure to enable spelling under Settings ‣ Preferences ‣ Interface ‣ Input box. <- maybe disable it there?
[03:05] <Hash> Also there is probably a #hexchat too
[03:26] <wagga> Are there any ubutu live cds that support twofish-xts-plain64?
[03:28] <Bashing-om> !info twofish-xts-plain64 focal | wagga
[03:29] <wagga> Thanks Bashing-om
[03:29] <wagga> !info aes-xts-plain64 focal
[03:30] <Bashing-om> wagga: No help there - as I have no idea of what "twofish-xts-plain64" is :(
[03:31] <wagga> Okay. It is a cypher and mode for encryption. I can't seem to load the xts kernel module. It does not complain when I run modprobe xts, but lsmod shows nothing for xts, so it is also not loading it.
[03:33] <wagga> I am going to try knoppix.
[03:39] <webchat22> Bashing-om  sup man back . i need the command again sorry . i did sudo apt update and upgrade and still nothing also.
[03:39] <Bashing-om> webchat22: ' modinfo -F alias [radeon|amdgpu] ' ??
[03:40] <webchat22> yeah thanks ill see if something changed
[03:40] <Bashing-om> webchat22: Booted into the install now ?
[03:40] <webchat22> yeah but in recovery mode regular boot stays black
[03:42] <webchat22> modinfo -F alias [radeon|amdgpu]
[03:42] <webchat22> modinfo: ERROR: Module alias [radeon not found.
[03:42] <webchat22> amdgpu]: command not found
[03:42] <webchat22> same response
[03:47] <webchat22> noone remote views and tries to trouble shoot for newbs anymore  ?
[03:51] <webchat22> Bashing-om  cant even open my ubuntu software app
[03:54] <Bashing-om> webchat22: Vack to driver install situation. what shows ' dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu ' ?
[03:57] <webchat22> says i need and action option i might of typed it in wrong the line is  next to the enter key right ?  not a capital I or nothing ?
[03:58] <webchat22>  Bashing-om https://pastebin.com/Wct3neAa
[03:59] <Bashing-om> webchat22: The "l" is a lower case ell .
[04:00] <webchat22> Bashing-om https://pastebin.com/CcVEvbr1
[04:02] <Bashing-om> webchat22: Well that says the correct driver is installed :) What tells the driver manager ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' .
[04:04] <webchat22> https://pastebin.com/HkFBGvge
[04:10] <webchat22> Bashing-om https://pastebin.com/HkFBGvge
[04:10] <Bashing-om> webchat22: A mystery here as the manager says "Is amdgpu kernel module available? no" .. dpkg says otherwise. we get any hints in re-installing ' sudo apt install --reinstall xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu ' ?
[04:13] <webchat22> Bashing-om
[04:13] <webchat22> https://pastebin.com/gjRSazrk
[04:15] <webchat22> man linux a mystery to me . i remember installing it before and it was easy to find workarounds now its different
[04:15] <Bashing-om> webchat22: No issues seen .. reboot and see if there is a positive result .
[04:15] <webchat22> cool brb thanks man
[04:21] <webchat22>  Bashing-om  yeah still no luck man
[04:24] <Bashing-om> webchat22: Sorry man - will take one who Knows more than I about the AMD driver to see what is not taking place :(
[04:25] <webchat22> no doubt man thanks anyway
[04:28] <Bashing-om> webchat22: Wish I could be of more help - saddly I run with Nvidia graphics :(
[04:28] <webchat22> ye a lot of folks do man . maybe ill find something on youtube or some
[04:33] <Bashing-om> webchat22: No consolation - the driver is in the kernel -- and "just Works™ - supposed too !
[04:34] <webchat22> is there a way to find an open source amd driver i can try to boot with . saw someone do it with nouveau
[04:41] <Bashing-om> webchat22: Nope --- The provided kernel drivers are open source. However now what shows ' lsmod | grep amdgpu ' ?
[04:48] <webchat22> Bashing-om nothing just sends me to a new blank line
[04:50] <Bashing-om> webchat22: Just soes not make any sense to me , ^ that should produce a wall of text as the driver is installed !
[04:51] <Bashing-om> webchat22: A poke in the dark ' lsmod | grep radeon ' ?
[04:52] <webchat22> still blank line afterwards
[04:52] <webchat22> its like it ignored it or something
[04:53] <Bashing-om> webchat22: Over my skill set - sorry :(
[04:53] <webchat22> its cool man thanks
[05:05] <Guest51> hi everyone,
[05:06] <guiverc> Guest51, if you have a Ubuntu support question, please just ask it (try and keep to a single line, and be patient as people respond as they're able to).  non-support talk should go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:06] <Guest51> i have ubuntu 20.04LTS installed, did reboot yesterday after doing upgrade and the ubuntu can't start any longer. I did the boot-repair but it didn't help. The report is here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nWrFtCWbn9/
[05:15] <Bashing-om> Guest51: What results when you boot an older kernel from Grub's advanced boot options ?
[05:15] <Guest51> failed to mount kernel configuration file system
[05:17] <Guest51> or, when trying to boot in recovery mode, it reports multiple errors with services like "systemd: failed to mount Mount init for gnome" etc.
[05:28] <Guest51> also, to be correct, the boot repair fails to do the repair with the message "grub-efi-amd64-signed purge cancelled"
[05:29] <alkisg> Guest51: what is the error message when you try to boot normally, without recovery etc?
[05:29] <alkisg> Also, do you have a live cd that you can boot with? It sounds like your updates haven't finished installing properly
[05:33] <Guest51> alkisg, multiple errors, the last one is "failed to mount kernel configuration file system" https://photos.app.goo.gl/YtAr5PmiBKekqu7P6. I have a live cd, that's where I tried to repair the grub with boot repair from
[05:34] <alkisg> Guest51: are you booted with the live cd now?
[05:34] <Guest51> by "live cd" i mean bootable usb stick. Yes
[05:34] <alkisg> Do you mind sharing your screen, to be able to chroot into the installation? It'll be much faster than instructions over irc
[05:35] <alkisg> I.e. mount / and efi, chroot, apt update, see if updates were interrupted, and if not, fsck the disk
[05:35] <Guest51> not at all, how can i do that?
[05:35] <alkisg> Is it ubuntu gnome, or another desktop environment?
[05:35] <Guest51> ubuntu gnome
[05:35] <alkisg> sudo add-apt-repository universe; sudo apt install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect alkisg.ltsp.org
[05:40] <alkisg> Guest51: you had file system errors (fsck -f), but most importantly, you had removed the /bin to /usr/bin symlink
[05:43] <Guest51> alkisg, I have no idea how this happened. Do I need to do anything after load? Is there any recommendation on how to avoid such situations? Btw, huge thanks!!!
[05:44] <alkisg> Guest51: I know of nothing that would remove /bin, except for the user himself, so no idea how would you prevent it!
[05:44] <alkisg> Did it boot?
[05:45] <Guest51> yes, let me check history)
[05:46] <alkisg> (btw that's one of the many many cases where vnc solves the issue in a minute, while via irc we would need an hour to detect that /bin had been removed)
[05:47] <jeffmr> hi alkisg, care to help me get my mic working via vnc??  : )
[05:47] <alkisg> Hehe :D
[05:47] <jeffmr> It records through audacity but not seen by web browsers
[05:47] <jeffmr> or the system really
[05:47] <alkisg> Not much experience with that mate, sorry
[05:47] <jeffmr> no problem.
[05:48] <jeffmr> have raised all the levels for capture in alsamixer
[05:49] <Guest51> lol, from history: 22.8.2021 17:07 sudo rm -rf /bin.
[05:49] <jeffmr> I know what the card is and where the microphone is but can't get the system to prioritize alsa over pulseaudio
[05:49] <alkisg> Guest51: haha, so that's what to avoid :D
[05:49] <jeffmr> sofcmlmax98390d
[05:49] <alkisg> jeffmr: pactl commands can be used to tell pulseaudio to select the correct alsa card by default
[05:49] <Guest51> haha, thank you! Tough Sunday I guess.
[05:50] <alkisg> jeffmr: ok vnc, I could have a quick look until work starts :D
[05:50] <jeffmr> thanks
[05:50] <alkisg> jeffmr: x11vnc -connect alkisg.ltsp.org
[05:50] <jeffmr> : D
[05:50] <jeffmr> ok, I think I have to install it.  I'm on gnome mate.
[05:50] <jeffmr> 21
[05:50] <jeffmr> uh oh and I think its wayland
[05:50] <alkisg> Yeah, you might also need to sudo add-apt-repository universe
[05:51] <alkisg> ...and you'd need to re-login with xorg :D
[05:51] <jeffmr> f
[05:51] <jeffmr> do any vnc servers work with wayland?
[05:51] <alkisg> I think so, but not reverse ones, where there's no need for port forwarding etc
[05:51] <alkisg> Maybe anydesk could also work, not sure
[05:52] <jeffmr> let me try x11vnc
[05:52] <jeffmr> maybe mate is on x11
[05:52] <alkisg> mate uses x11, yes
[05:52] <alkisg> (but I thought you had gnome)
[05:52] <jeffmr> well I have mate which I think is gnome 2
[05:53] <jeffmr> I don't know that wayland has come to mate yet
[05:53] <alkisg> Aaah, don't say gnome then, it confuses people
[05:53] <alkisg> Mate doesn't have wayland yet, no
[05:53] <jeffmr> ok
[05:53] <jeffmr> installing x11vnc now.
[06:02] <alkisg> jeffmr: nah, I thought maybe pulse marked the input as inactive and we could force it, but it doesn't even see that input
[06:03] <alkisg> I don't know which configuration file to change for that one; it'd take a long time to find it... wait for someone more experienced with alsa and pulse
[06:03] <alkisg> (closed vnc)
[06:03] <jeffmr> ok, thanks for checking
[06:07] <jeffmr> its kind of messed up that there are layers of sound environments
[06:08] <alkisg> It reflects the development... from beep to single audio to multiple sources and sinks  and even networked audio
[06:08] <jeffmr> a plus of open source I guess
[06:08] <alkisg> Both plus and minus :)
[06:08] <jeffmr> yes
[06:09] <alkisg> I'm mostly frustrated that 30 years after linux was started, upstream developers still can't provide their own packaging, instead of relying on distributions. Hopefully appstream metadata will solve this in the far future...
[06:10] <jeffmr> yeah.
[06:10] <jeffmr> guess we need to sing them, 'we are the world'
[06:10] <jeffmr> song reference
[06:10] <alkisg> 👍️
[06:13] <ledeni> jeffmr, when you say it is not working for browsers what you mean ? not set mic or your mic is recognized but not sound?
[06:13] <jeffmr> not set mic
[06:14] <jeffmr> using mainly for duo or google voice
[06:14] <jeffmr> there is no mic device recognized in the browser settings on those pages.
[06:14] <jeffmr> duo.google.com  voice.google.com
[06:15] <jeffmr> also doesn't work for some other apps with audio input and not selectable in preferences
[06:16] <webchat19> Bashing-om  sup man guest 74 again. iwas able to get in by doing no mode set after going into grub and ubuntu loaded . seems i gotta do that everytime
[06:17] <jeffmr> video and sound work, just no mic detected
[06:18] <Bashing-om> webchat19: Not a good solution long term. For some reason that I can not fathom the system is mot loading the graphic's module.
[06:19] <ledeni> jeffmr, witch browser? chrome or firefox
[06:19] <webchat19> yeah this use to be the case before but i had updated something in past versions of other linuxes and it fixed it cant remember was a while ago . coming from windows now
[06:19] <webchat19> Bashing-om
[06:19] <jeffmr> ledeni, chromium and firefox.
[06:19] <jeffmr> haven't tried chrome yet
[06:20] <webchat19> Bashing-om  is there a better way to get apps besides ubuntu software app ?
[06:20] <ledeni> jeffmr, ok open chromium and 'chrome://settings/content/microphone?search=microphone'
[06:21] <Bashing-om> webchat19: Well all the ,deb apps are in the software repository. I only ise the terminal to find and install what I want.
[06:21] <jeffmr> ledeni, nothing there.  just ask, block and allow.  No devices listed.
[06:22] <ledeni> jeffmr, do you have insttaled 'pavucontrol
[06:22] <jeffmr> yep
[06:22] <jeffmr> s
[06:22] <ledeni> jeffmr, run it
[06:23] <jeffmr> ok, running
[06:24] <ledeni> jeffmr, what says input devices
[06:25] <jeffmr> no hardware or virtual.  just monitors.
[06:26] <jeffmr> my sound card simultaneous output, dlna/upnp streaming, rtp multicast, sound card stereo
[06:26] <webchat19> Bashing-om https://pastebin.com/FmmRAfmR  what you think of this
[06:26] <webchat19> https://linuxconfig.org/amd-radeon-ubuntu-20-04-driver-installation found this link
[06:26] <pi0> hey fellas can anyone help me with lsof
[06:26] <pi0> i need to see what is locking my file
[06:27] <pi0> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[06:27] <ledeni> jeffmr,you have option input devices just press > right top corner of pavucontrol
[06:27] <alkisg> Which file?
[06:27] <alkisg> pi0: sudo lsof /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[06:27] <Bashing-om> webchat19: looking ^
[06:28] <jeffmr> ledeni, right top is configuration
[06:28] <pi0> https://dpaste.org/Ofrn
[06:28] <Bashing-om> webchat19: "display UNCLAIMED" still no kernel driver loaded :(
[06:28] <jeffmr> comet lake pch-lp cAVS  profile stereo output
[06:29] <jeffmr> have to get something to eat.  I'll be back in a bit.
[06:29] <Bashing-om> pi0: ' sudo fuser -v /var/cache/debconf/config.dat ' .
[06:30] <alkisg> pi0: so that's the answer, `frontend 6921` is the process you're looking for. Maybe a software center?
[06:30] <pi0> i murdered that process
[06:30] <pi0> finally :)
[06:32] <ledeni> jeffmr,ok can you select 'configuration' and scroll profile
[06:33] <ledeni> jeffmr,what option you have
[06:35] <ledeni> jeffmr,your mic is integrated or extrenal one
[06:39] <webchat19> Bashing-om  yeah weird cant even get the thirdparty repositories says error: need a single repository argument
[06:41] <Bashing-om> webchat19: some PPAs are weird .. what PPA are you accessing and what is the command you are using ?
[06:43] <webchat19> Bashing-om  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers
[06:45] <Bashing-om> webchat19: Well that is the correct syntax for that PPA -- hold yer horses as I have ducasse's attention directed to your driver issue, soon as he arrives :P
[06:51] <webchat19> Bashing-om  cool what else should i be figuring out on here then.
[06:52] <webchat19> Bashing-om seems i need video codecs know how i can get those ?
[06:52] <alkisg> webchat19: can you sum up your situation? You have ubuntu 20.04, kernel 5.11, and an amdgpu card, that was working but is now failing to load the driver?
[06:52] <Bashing-om> webchat19: It is not a driver install issue - rather that the installed driver (module) fails to load.
[06:53] <ducasse> webchat19: install ubuntu-restricted-extras for codecs, that will get you most of them
[06:53] <Bashing-om> webchat19: codecs: did you install ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[06:54] <webchat19> yeah im newly installing ubuntu . and i get a black screen everytime on regular boot. had to do recovery mode . then found a work around using nomodeset in grub . but id have to do that everytime
[06:54] <webchat19> is that in other software ?
[06:55] <alkisg> So it never worked properly, not even in the live cd?
[06:56] <webchat19> i could make it to try mode originally . but after installing black screen
[06:56] <alkisg> I see. Can you reboot with the live cd, so that we see the driver in use there?
[06:56] <alkisg> Because now with nomodeset, the driver won't load in any case, so we can't see what's wrong
[06:58] <webchat19> so come back in try mode ?
[06:59] <alkisg> Yes please
[06:59] <webchat19> ok  ill see whats up
[08:33] <lavaball> gnome-shell went to 100% cpu usage and locked everything up. i had to kill -9 it. anything i can do there?
[10:01] <BrianHechinger[m> Is there a good scanning app I should look at? Document Scanner is kinda rubbish.
[10:08] <BrianHechinger[m> Meh, I'll just use GIMP
[10:21] <ducasse> BrianHechinger[m: you could try xsane, there's also a cokmmercial one, vuescan
[10:30] <BrianHechinger[m> I'll check that out, thanks ducasse
[10:46] <varaindemian> anyone knows how I can fix the sources here? I tried adding new sources. This is how it looks like now: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/dWWpx39kRJ/ I added https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/g7X4NgySQn/
[10:54] <ravage> Your Ubuntu Version is EOL
[10:55] <mgedmin> varaindemian: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[11:06] <varaindemian> mgedmin: so I should update the sources.list
[11:10] <mgedmin> and then upgrade to bionic asap
[11:46] <ultramage> hi, could you give me a bit of advice on how to fix my Trac/subversion setup after updating? I'm on Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS now, and Trac (a python web app) is reporting that the svn module is missing. It is supposed to be installed with the 'subversion' package as part of its python bindings. The manual says it wants svn 1.14 (came out 3 months ago), but apt-get is only giving me 1.13.
[11:59] <ultramage> packages.ubuntu.com tells me 20.10 has the 1.14 and python3 stuff that I need. I'm not familiar with the release cycle of these packages...
[12:01] <mgedmin> did you install trac from ubuntu repos?
[12:01] <mgedmin> I find it hard to believe ubuntu 20.04 would ship a non-working trac
[12:02] <mgedmin> ubuntu 20.10 is eol already; each non-lts release is supported for 9 months
[12:04] <ultramage> mgedmin: I believe 18 LTS had trac, but it wasn't present in 20 anymore, possibly because of python3 migration and such. Not sure why exactly. So I did a source build/install.
[12:05] <ultramage> it's possible that svn 1.14 is the first one that ships with python3 bindings, so the maintainers were waiting for that. Not sure. Trac also works with git and hg and other stuff, which probably wasn't affected.
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:10] <mgedmin> ultramage: oh oops I looked at https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=trac and saw it present in 18.04 and 21.04 and didn't notice 20.04 was missing!
[12:10] <mgedmin> this is fun, I have on 18.04 server with trac installed that I'm planning to upgade to 20.04
[12:11] <mgedmin> I think I'll shut down trac, nobody uses it any more
[12:13] <ultramage> yea my first update hop was 18 where everything worked. Looks like 20 landed in the middle of an unpleasant transition period.
[12:15] <mgedmin> yeah
[12:16] <mgedmin> if I really needed trac on 20.04, I'd be tempted to investigate running it in a docker container based on 21.04, so I wouldn't have to upgrade the entire OS to a non-LTS release
[12:33] <ikonia> does anyone really need track in 2021 ?
[12:34] <ikonia> I thought it had faded away
[12:38] <ikonia> trac too
[12:45] <bailsman> Oh, right, docker is a thing. I was running groovy prometheus node exporter on 20.04 for a while, but docker might be better.
[12:45] <varaindemian> mgedmin: edit the sources with those debs and I still get 404 not found
[12:45] <ikonia> varaindemian: you need to upgrade the OS
[12:45] <ikonia> not edit the sources
[12:45] <varaindemian> how..
[12:46] <ikonia> !upgrade
[12:46] <ikonia> !eolupgrade
[12:46] <varaindemian> ikonia:
[12:46] <varaindemian> ikonia: but I want that distro..
[12:46] <varaindemian> at least for a few more days
[12:46] <ikonia> then wait a few more days and then upgrade
[12:47] <varaindemian> ikonia: and how can I install packages until then?
[12:47] <ikonia> don't
[12:47] <ikonia> wait a few days - upgrade your distro then install the packages
[12:47] <varaindemian>  sudo apt install python3-pip I need this
[12:47] <varaindemian> ikonia: ^
[12:47] <ikonia> right, and the distro is EOL
[12:48] <ikonia> so upgrade the distro
[12:48] <varaindemian> yeah but the patches I am going to apply will not take effect for 18.04
[12:48] <ikonia> you should be targeting 20.04
[12:48] <varaindemian> ikonia: following this guide https://github.com/kevoreilly/CAPEv2/blob/master/docs/book/src/installation/guest/linux.rst#preparing-x32x64-ubuntu-1710-linux-guests
[12:48] <ikonia> don't follow that guide then
[12:48] <ikonia> follow a guide that's for a supported distro
[12:48] <varaindemian> there is no such thing
[12:49] <toddc> https://www.facebook.com/115921056470926/posts/gnulinux-ubuntu-2004-installing-trac-quick-start-guide-you-are-welcome-the-tutor/422904285772600/
[12:50] <ikonia> varaindemian: how do you know - what is the actual end state you're trying to achieve ?
[12:51] <bailsman> What's the best way to install a newer version of a package than is in ubuntu 20.04? I doubt I'll get a backport from the maintainer, because something about LTS and stability.
[12:51] <ultramage> I was thinking of trying to install 21 packages into 20, but in the best case that will bring in a cascade of newer version lib dependencies. I guess I'll wait until 22 lts is a thing.
[12:51] <ikonia> bailsman: the maintainer may maintain their repo
[12:51] <ultramage> building from source? <_<
[12:51] <ikonia> bailsman: but mixing versions from ubuntu repos is bad
[12:52] <bailsman> I can install a statically compiled version directly from upstream, but I guarantee you the responsible sysadmin (which might be me in 6 months) will forget about this and totally neglect patching it for security vulnerabilities
[12:52] <ultramage> I'm not desperate enough to try that, plus this trac install is just for convenience, I have my own working instance elsewhere. so I'm lucky enough to be able to just wait.
[12:53] <ikonia> varaindemian: I'm going to quote you a line from that git page you linked me to
[12:53] <ikonia> [quote] For best compability we strongly suggest installing on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS [/quote]
[12:53] <bailsman> ikonia: so my best bet is to plead with the maintainer to make a 20.04 ppa with the newer version? Why would they do such a thing
[12:53] <mgedmin> varaindemian: sometimes there's a ppa that provides newer stuff for older releases
[12:53] <aleksandr> Hi hi
[12:54] <mgedmin> I've used PPAs to get newer redis and python versions
[12:54] <ikonia> bailsman: if they want to support a rolling/latest release approach for a distro.
[12:54] <ultramage> well, that is true, until you run into 'cutting edge' software that doesn't fit well with a snail-pace package repo.
[12:54] <mgedmin> I haven't ever looked to see if there are PPAs that backport subversion
[12:54] <mgedmin> you could build your own PPA, it's not too hard
[12:54] <bailsman> ikonia: how do I find out who the maintainer is anyway
[12:54] <bailsman> mgedmin: yes, but then we're back to: I forget about it and don't patch it
[12:54] <ikonia> bailsman: the open source project will normally say who the maintainers are
[12:54] <ultramage> packages.ubuntu.com lists the ubuntu and debian maintainers on the rights ide
[12:54] <ikonia> you don't want the ubuntu maintainers
[12:54] <ultramage> :D
[12:54] <varaindemian> ikonia  "Compile the kernel extension:"
[12:54] <ikonia> you want the people who maintain the software
[12:55] <ikonia> varaindemian: yeah, and it's fully supported on 20.04
[12:55] <bailsman> ikonia: why don't I want the ubuntu maintainers? upstream doesn't even build debs
[12:55] <ultramage> well, technically, you want the people who produce and maintain the binary builds
[12:55] <bailsman> upstream just publishes statically linked binaries
[12:55] <ikonia> bailsman: because the ubuntu maintainers will be the ubuntu team who normally don't bump versions
[12:55] <ikonia> bailsman: at best they may apply some patches you need
[12:55] <ikonia> the ubuntu maintainers will not build a PPA
[12:56] <ikonia> (most likely)
[12:56] <bailsman> who is ubuntu MOTU developers
[12:56] <bailsman> anyway, so I need to plead with upstream to publish a ppa?
[12:56] <ikonia> again they are unlikely to build a PPA for you
[12:57] <ikonia> bailsman: what's the software you're looking for ?
[12:58] <bailsman> ikonia: prometheus-node-exporter >= 1.0 (for TLS support)
[12:58] <ikonia> bailsman: what version of ubuntu ?
[12:58] <bailsman> 20.04
[12:59] <bailsman> looks like epel 7 and 8 both have 1.2. hmmm
[13:00] <ikonia> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/prometheus-node-exporter
[13:01] <ikonia> looks promising, as 20.04 is still supported and mirrors debian releases, I'd talk to the debian go packaging team
[13:01] <bailsman> What could persuade the debian team to bump the version though? It's supposed to be a stable release
[13:01] <ikonia> just talk to them
[13:01] <ikonia> TLS is a valid security bump
[13:02] <ikonia> see if/what their objections are
[13:02] <ikonia> you could always package it yourself too
[13:02] <ikonia> (appreciate that's work)
[13:02] <bailsman> I know - I can also download it from upstream (statically linked) - but the problem is that I'm going to forget about it and there's going to be a security issue and I won't have the update because it simply won't be in my system
[13:03] <ikonia> bailsman: move to a container ?
[13:03] <ikonia> prometheus maintains them excellently
[13:03] <ikonia> bailsman: or put it under ansible/puppet control so it always grabs latested binary package
[13:03] <bailsman> Right now - all I have to do is check for updates. If I install all kinds of software outside of the official repos, it's an additional process that would need to go into to make sure it is kept up to date
[13:03] <ikonia> automate it so you don't forget
[13:03] <bailsman> What would be the trigger? github releases by upstream?
[13:04] <ikonia> a container and watchtower would work,
[13:04] <bailsman> ah yes, container would work.
[13:04] <bailsman> That probably means I have to install docker on all my hosts.
[13:04] <ikonia> possibly
[13:04] <ikonia> or a snap  ?
[13:04] <ikonia> there are lots of options
[13:04] <ikonia> just got to work out the best one for you
[13:05] <bailsman> hold on, upstream maintains snaps?
[13:05] <ikonia> the prometheus puppet module is excellent
[13:05] <ikonia> upstream doesn't maintain snaps
[13:05] <bailsman> or you're saying, you can install a docker container as a snap?
[13:09] <alkisg> bailsman: in general, debian and ubuntu don't get newer packages into already released versions. There are a few exceptions like SRUs or security micro-releases.
[13:09] <alkisg> For prometheus-node-exporter 1.2, you can copy from impish to your own ppa, and install that one (or maybe even just download the .debs)
[13:10] <alkisg> I.e. https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=prometheus-node-exporter and click on download
[13:10] <bailsman> What's a SRU?
[13:11] <alkisg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates  - there's also "backports" sometimes
[13:12] <alkisg>  So if you're maintaining a lot of computers, you could build your own ppa, and copy things around from e.g. ubuntu impish to your focal ppa. Then you'd just need to updates said machines
[13:13] <alkisg> That takes a few minutes only
[13:16] <bailsman> How would you rate the chances of a SRU for the purposes of enabling TLS support and what kind of testing would it require to ensure that it doesn't regress? I can say "I upgraded my machine and it still worked" but that doesn't guarantee anything for the thousands (millions?) other users.
[13:17] <alkisg> SRU isn't very suitable for new releases; it's mostly for patches. You can look at backports or micro-releases
[13:17] <ikonia> bailsman: talk to the maintainers
[13:17] <bailsman> Is backport a thing where the sysadmin has to take an action to opt in?
[13:17] <ikonia> bailsman: everything else is just guess work
[13:17] <bailsman> ikonia: the MOTU team?
[13:17] <ikonia> bailsman: the PPA I mentioned would be a good start ?
[13:17] <bailsman> Sorry, what PPA did you mention?
[13:18] <ikonia> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/prometheus-node-exporter
[13:18] <ikonia> that one for starters
[13:18] <ikonia> (not exclusive of course)
[13:18] <bailsman> That's a ppa? I thought that was just the official source one
[13:18] <ikonia> my apologies then
[13:19] <ikonia> that's who I'd contact still
[13:19] <ikonia> find out the state of play
[13:19] <Guest34> Hi all, I have an issue when I switch between windows of the same application in gnome classic. Is anyone able to help? Here's the description: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1358683/switching-between-windows-of-the-same-application-not-always-working/1358684#1358684 Thanks a lot!
[13:20] <ikonia> this one is also interesting https://launchpad.net/~prometheus-release-tracking/+archive/ubuntu/prometheus-exporters
[13:20] <ikonia> not tested any of it of course
[13:20] <ikonia> but it has 1.1.2 for 20.04
[13:21] <alkisg> bailsman: packages that have the word ubuntu in their versions, have ubuntu maintainers. The ones like prometheus that don't, are maintained in debian, so it's extra difficult to get new ubuntu versions for them
[13:21] <alkisg> I'd go for "your own PPA, and click copy from impish to focal"
[13:22] <ikonia> lots of options and potential
[13:22] <ikonia> guess it depends how many machines
[13:22] <ikonia> and how serious those machines are
[13:22] <ikonia> that determains the scope of approaches
[13:24] <bailsman> Debian already has 1.1.2
[13:24] <bailsman> I'm not sure what more they can do to help
[13:24] <ikonia> publish the packages for uubntu.....
[13:24] <ikonia> that would be a helpful move
[13:24] <ikonia> again, talk to them
[13:24] <ikonia> feels like it's getting a bit offtopic
[13:25] <alkisg> bailsman: ubuntu also has 1.2, didn't you see the link?
[13:25] <ikonia> alkisg: I didn't what repo is it in ?
[13:25] <bailsman> yes, but not in 20.04
[13:26] <alkisg> bailsman: exactly, and debian doesn't have it for buster either, it has it for bullseye
[13:26] <alkisg> ikonia: in the impish repositories
[13:26] <ikonia> alkisg: yup, sorry I thought you where referencing 20.04
[13:27] <bailsman> OK so that prometheus-release-tracking thing has >= 1.0 for 20.04 - it's too good to be true. Do I just activate this and I'm done?
[13:27] <bailsman> The maintainer of that thing, is he much more responsible than me? Or is he liable to forget about it and leave a security issue in, just like I would?
[13:29] <alkisg> The ppa description is "untested builds."
[13:30] <alkisg> I wouldn't count that as "more responsible than the official impish builds"
[13:30] <ikonia> PPA is use at your risk
[13:30] <ikonia> again - contact him
[13:30] <ikonia> instead of asking us, start talking to the people who have potential to impact you want
[13:31] <bailsman> OK, so I can just have some cron job or whatever, periodically downloading impish sources and rebuilding them for 20.04, sticking the result in my local 20.04 repo, and emailing me if it fails
[13:31] <alkisg> Or just download the impish .deb; if the dependencies are satisfied, it's a much more sane and quick aproach
[13:32] <bailsman> Keeps it up to date automatically
[13:32] <alkisg> Eeeh all that that you described is called "a PPA"
[13:32] <alkisg> But if you want it in your local repo, sure
[13:32] <bailsman> oh that's what a ppa is? including the tracking the impish builds part?
[13:32] <bailsman> or you mean put it in a ppa at the end instead of in my repo?
[13:33] <bailsman> I mean yeah, that's an irrelevant detail innit. The hard part is the first half.
[13:33] <alkisg> The ppa is the repository part. While the launchpad build recipe is what downloads and builds the source and uploads it to the ppa
[13:33] <alkisg> But, don't expect the impish sources to be updated frequently
[13:33] <bailsman> They'll be updated on a security issue, though, right?
[13:33] <alkisg> Just go ahead and do it once; don't bother about repeating it
[13:34] <bailsman> what
[13:34] <alkisg> Not really
[13:34] <alkisg> Packages in universe don't get a lot of attention
[13:34] <bailsman> wait, what?
[13:35] <alkisg> You can check its release history, and see how many security updates it got
[13:35] <alkisg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/prometheus-node-exporter/+publishinghistory ==> the ones with "ubuntu" in their version numbers, i.e. none
[13:36] <webchat20> Buongiorno, sono un utente nuovo, non conosco bene i funzioni di ubuntu s
[13:36] <alkisg> !it
[13:36] <webchat20> ..
[13:37] <bailsman> Maybe it has never had a security issue :p
[13:37] <bailsman> OK, so maybe I need to make something to pull regularly from upstream instead.
[13:37] <bailsman> maybe installing docker daemon on every machine isn't so bad
[13:37] <bailsman> Or just migrate to centos
[13:37] <alkisg> Why, centos has more releases?
[13:38] <bailsman> I have relatively more confidence in epel than you're describing I should have for universe
[13:38] <alkisg> Btw why are you so concerned about security updates on this particular package, did it have any known security issues?
[13:38] <bailsman> and yes, it has node exporter >= 1.0
[13:38] <bailsman> alkisg: I'm worried about hypothetical security issues! And maybe about the general approach to software I have on my systems
[13:39] <alkisg> New upstream versions often introduce security issues
[13:39] <alkisg> Building from upstream isn't equivalent to "being safer"
[13:40] <alkisg> And I don't think centos has a better security record than ubuntu or debian... I haven't looked at any stats though
[13:41] <bailsman> Right - I realize I'm looking for something contradictory. I want >= 1.0 because it has a shiny new security feature (TLS support), but I also want then to keep it stable and only patch it for security issues.
[13:41] <alkisg> I think you should just download and install the impish .deb, if it's installable in focal
[13:42] <bailsman> To be honest, I think that's irresponsible advice - maybe I'll get away with that for just prometheus-node-exporter, but that general approach to managing software on my servers has a flaw - if one of them does get a security issue, that'll just slip right under the radar and it will be unpatched and vulnerable forever.
[13:43] <alkisg> How so, won't it still receive updates?
[13:43] <rbasak_> It will not.
[13:43] <alkisg> rbasak_: sure, if the version number is greater
[13:44] <rbasak> No, because apt won't see it.
[13:44] <alkisg> Why? I'm using that in thousands of schools just fine
[13:44] <bailsman> I think you're right - if a security update were to be pushed to focal repos with a version number greater than the release in impish, yes, I think it would be picked up
[13:44] <bailsman> but if a security update is pushed to focal, wouldn't the version number be 0.18.x?
[13:45] <rbasak> bailsman: right, but that won't happen if you "borrow" a deb from a future release.
[13:45] <alkisg> Example. Socat in focal is broken. I upload a new version in the greek schools ppa. Here's then my apt policy socat: https://termbin.com/7z5r9
[13:45] <rbasak> The security update for the Focal package will be issued at a lower version than the version you'll have installed.
[13:45] <bailsman> rbasak: exactly, that's the problem
[13:45] <alkisg> When a higher socat version becomes available in focal, it'll still reach my schools
[13:46] <alkisg> Since 1.2 is a requiement for TLS, any security update that includes TLS will have a higher version number
[13:46] <rbasak> alkisg: no it will not
[13:46] <bailsman> I don't expect a security update to include TLS. I imagine they would just backport the fix only and not introduce any new features. In fact, I would be angry if they included features in a security release.
[13:47] <rbasak> alkisg: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Update_the_packaging for what the security team typically does with package version strings in security updates.
[13:47] <alkisg> rbasak: I did write teh "that includes TLS" part. I doubt that will ever land in focal.
[13:47] <rbasak> You are making assumptions about what packagers will do with version strings that are false.
[13:48] <bailsman> He made an additional (worrisome) claim - is that if I think installing outside of the repos is irresponsible, that I should not install from universe either
[13:48] <rbasak> alkisg: a security update for 1.7.3.3-2 will likely be 1.7.3.3-2ubuntu0.1 for example, or similar. That will still be less than 1.7.3.4-1.
[13:48] <alkisg> rbasak: if a version that included TLS landed in focal, it would be >1.2. (parenthesis, that will most probably never happen, because new releases don't generally get uploaded). Do we agree on that?
[13:48] <rbasak> alkisg: not necessarily.
[13:48] <alkisg> rbasak: indeed, and I wouldn't want that, because it would be still broken
[13:49] <rbasak> alkisg: and thus you'd miss the security update and remain vulnerable.
[13:49] <bailsman> if a security issue in fact occurs the exact same thing would happen that I was worried about, that is, everyone would ignore it and I would remain vulnerable.
[13:49] <alkisg> rbasak: you think that a new version that was based on 1.2 upstream, could land in ubuntu with a <1.2 version number?
[13:49] <bailsman> I don't know if this is true about universe in general or prometheus-node-exporter in particular
[13:50] <rbasak> alkisg: that is possible, yes, although if the packaging really were derived from a new upstream it's more likely that it would have the newer version number. However that's not a guarantee. It's also possible that a feature is backported, in which case it wouldn't get the new upstream version number.
[13:50] <rbasak> alkisg: packaging version numbers - especially in stable releases - are picked on the basis of what apt will do. The truth about what it is derived from doesn't matter.
[13:50] <bailsman> why are we assuming that a hypothetical security update would bundle tls or update the version number? And focal repos would only get an update if 0.18 was vulnerable, not if 1.2 was. So in the end, installing a package in this way would guarantee that they do not get automatically updated.
[13:51] <bailsman> Instead, I think I can make a cron job and rebuild new releases to a newer ubuntu release - to what extent can I rely on security updates landing in universe if they are required?
[13:52] <bailsman> Is it similar to epel, worse, better?
[13:52] <rbasak> alkisg: in summary, you *cannot rely* on anything about package versions of future updates in stable releases. If you want to remain secure in issuing your own overriding packages, you must also maintain that override by actively following what the distribution is doing.
[13:52] <alkisg> Oh sure, for packages in the greek school ppa I do follow both what upstream and ubuntu does
[13:53] <bailsman> yes - I'm trying to work under the assumption that the future sysadmin of these systems is irresponsible and does not manually update all the software that is installed (which might be me). Therefore, I'm trying to offload the creation of security updates to somebody more responsible than me, say, a package maintainer. :P
[13:54] <rbasak> bailsman: FWIW, the Canonical Server Team maintains an LMA stack.
[13:54] <bailsman> The best idea so far as I to have some kind of cron job track the package from a future release, rebuild it for 20.04, and email me if the build fails.
[13:54] <bailsman> rbasak: what's LMA?
[13:54] <rbasak> Logging, Monitoring, Analysis
[13:54] <leftyfb> bailsman: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[13:54] <rbasak> I'm not sure it includes prometheus-nodexporter though
[13:54] <alkisg> bailsman: you can also rebuild the impish deb with a lower version number, one that will get updated if an update reaches focal
[13:55] <bailsman> right, but if an update does land, it would break all my installations because TLS would no longer be supported
[13:55] <alkisg> bailsman: but not that this update then will most probably remove the TLS support, so you need to make sure it won't leave your systems in a broken configuration
[13:55] <rbasak> It uses Telegraf
[13:55] <bailsman> at least it would alert me, which is better than having a security issue fly under the radar
[13:55] <rbasak> THere is a plan to put Telegraf into main
[13:55] <alkisg> bailsman: you can make a cron job that alerts you then. Just a check for the "current focal version"
[13:55] <bailsman> rbasak: interesting - any thoughts on the relative merits of Telegraf and prometheus?
[13:55] <alkisg> You don't need to "build packages" with cron
[13:55] <rbasak> I'm not sure, sorry. Try in #ubuntu-server
[13:56] <rbasak> The stack does use Prometheus, just Telegraf for the metrics collection part
[14:00] <alkisg> bailsman: if I understood you correctly, you want to switch to 1.2, and be notified about 0.x security updates to see IF they affect 1.2, but NOT apply them immediately
[14:00] <alkisg> If so, yeah, you don't want a "cron build", you want a "cron notification"
[14:17] <goddard> what is the color section for
[14:17] <goddard> i have like 5 profiles for my display
[14:17] <goddard> but each say the same thing
[14:17] <goddard> doesn't seem to have any effect when i change them
[14:38] <CyL> So, I just installed Ubuntu following this tutorial https://mutschler.eu/linux/install-guides/ubuntu-btrfs/ to get btrfs + full disk encryption. All went well, but now I'm presented with a screen stating that secure boot failed when trying to boot into the system. When ubiquity asked me to install third party drivers and updates I selected "yes", and I was presented with the UEFI "Enroll MOK" screen as usual.
[14:39] <CyL> I enrolled it, but I might be missing an extra step on this, specially when it comes to grub installation, since I did it manually. Would anyone help me shed some light on this issue?
[15:27] <cbreak> CyL: do you need secure boot?
[15:28] <cbreak> I think there's some shim that should allow that in some circumstances, but I never bothered trying to find out how that exactly works.
[15:28] <cbreak> (Booting off of encrypted zfs without secure boot works fine though)
[15:40] <nate44> After a bad Ubuntu VM reboot, I don't get a GUI environment. I see nothing relevant in dmesg. If I run `startx`, I see an error related to vboxvideo module doesn't exist. Any idea how I can reinstall it/ and or get back to a desktop env?
[15:41] <nate44> (Ubuntu 18.04 fyi)
[15:45] <ravage> Install the guest additions again
[16:10] <blingrang> Hi, during apt-get update if a ppa is down, it throws a warning "Failed to fetch ...". This is a soft error,
[16:10] <blingrang>  exit code 0. Is there a way to make it fail with out coding around it? We're running this inside a dockerfile
[16:10] <blingrang>  and as a result of this failure, one of the packages was not updated as intended resulting in the old version
[16:10] <blingrang>  (already installed) being used.
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> blingrang: could you use a pastebin to show your apt errors?
[16:16] <goddard> how can you improve fonter rendering
[16:17] <goddard> any way to increase sharpeness?
[16:18] <goddard> gnome tweaks has options for fonts
[16:19] <goddard> if i change hinting i see now difference
[16:21] <dman777> hello, I removed ufw because I just want to use iptables and netfilter. I ran sudo update-rc.d netfilter-persistent enable but on reboot service iptables shows inactive. how do I make iptables active on each reboot?
[16:22] <CyL> cbreak: yeas, I'd like to have secure boot, since this is a work box for an innovation project
[16:24] <lantech19446> how do I turn off network manager but still have internet connectivity?
[16:24] <CyL> cbreak: TBH I solved the issue earlie, and came back to informpeople that the signed shim binaries are needed. Just install them with apt, reinstall grub and update it, and voilá
[16:27] <blingrang> lotuspsychje: https://paste.debian.net/1208723/ Notice the exit code. Ideally, it should fail and stop the build then and there.
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> blingrang: cant you download git from the ubuntu repos directly?
[16:38] <rbasak> blingrang: the apt-get manpage has --error-on=any which I think is exactly what youre requesting?
[16:40] <blingrang> lotuspsychje: no, the version of git in the repos is old. The official git ppa is the latest version.
[16:40] <blingrang> rbasak: Sounds like it. Like me give it a shot.
[16:44] <cbreak> CyL: yeah, I don't think you can secure boot without the permission of microsoft (unless you install your own CA...), since microsoft controls the keys normally used in firmware
[16:44] <cbreak> and since microsoft graciously gave us the permission to use that shim, that's what secure boot users are stuck with.
[16:45] <cbreak> I kind of don't see what the point of secure boot is, if you can just inject your malware after the shim...
[16:45] <blingrang> rbasak: Not seeing that flag at all. Can you link the man pages where you're seeing it?
[16:51] <CyL> cbreak: my boot partition is encrypted, so for it to be infected the system would need to be taken over while running
[16:51] <blingrang> rbasak: Never mind. Version issue. Works well. Exactly what I needed. Thanks.
[16:52] <CyL> cbreak: It seems you can get your own secure boot, with the inconvenience of having to resign everything after each kernel update
[16:52] <CyL> cbreak: thanks for your kind info and advice on this topic
[16:56] <lantech19446> what do you do when a kernel fails to boot and you can't drop to tty?
[17:00] <genii> Try to boot to an earlier kernel
[17:01] <lantech19446> genii: just did precisely that, i had to figure out why i wasn't getting into the grub menu
[17:01] <cbreak> CyL: someone could just replace your boot loader (the one that handles the decryption)
[17:02] <cbreak> the shim itself doesn't do that, it presumably loads grub
[17:02] <cbreak> and grub's config is likely not signed. (I don't know what kind of verification the shim performs anyway)
[17:03] <genii> lantech19446: If the system booted to the earlier kernel, you could try manually running sudo update-grub2 and see if it's spitting out any errors
[17:04] <lantech19446> genii: I think it was my own fault, I ignored a warning that the low latency kernel installed with errors because it was only one of the headers and it was a dependency issue but the others installed perfectly
[17:17] <tech_> yo
[17:21] <Ravindhran> hello
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> welcome Ravindhran
[17:21] <Ravindhran> yes presence ubuntu are not working smoothy. it take huge
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> Ravindhran: can you explain a bit more whats happening to your system exactly?
[17:24] <Ravindhran> actually my pc power by intel i3 . i had used linux mint mate version then im tried some linux distros . comparely to mint the ubuntu take load boot time and somnetimes it consume ram
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> Ravindhran: wich ubuntu release did you choose, are you on a HD or SSD?
[17:25] <Ravindhran> hdd
[17:26] <Ravindhran> at present im using latest ver of ubuntu
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> Ravindhran: 21.04 or 21.10?
[17:27] <Ravindhran> 21.10
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> come to #ubuntu-next please Ravindhran
[17:28] <Ravindhran> okay
[17:28] <leftyfb> Ravindhran: why are you using an unreleased version of ubuntu?
[17:30] <donofrio> Ravindhran, what url to download ppc?
[17:31] <Ravindhran> it updated automatically
[17:32] <Ravindhran> i would suggest please fix boot load time
[17:36] <cbreak> Ravindhran: what's wrong with it?
[17:36] <cbreak> ubuntu boots fine here
[17:36] <Ravindhran> my pc takes more time to boot
[17:36] <cbreak> have you tried to find out why?
[17:37] <Ravindhran> i had disabled startup apps
[17:38] <leftyfb> Ravindhran: ubuntu 20.10 should only be run if you are testing it and filing or even fixing bugs. Otherwise, Please go to #ubuntu-next for unreleased versions of ubuntu
[17:38] <Ravindhran> another bug is current file manager it take more time to copy and move process. sometime it stuck on 100 per
[17:40] <cbreak> doesn't sound like a bug.
[17:40] <cbreak> have you tried to run systemd-analyze?
[17:40] <Ravindhran> not yet
[17:40] <leftyfb> cbreak: ubuntu 20.10 is still in development and not supported here
[17:40] <leftyfb> sorry, 21.10
[17:40] <cbreak> that's ok
[17:41] <cbreak> I'll switch to it in a few months
[17:41] <Ravindhran> no lower ver of ubuntu also have file manager facing same
[17:41] <cbreak> 21.04 seems to work ok enough
[17:41] <leftyfb> cbreak: if you'd like to help them, #ubuntu-next is the appropriate place
[17:41] <cbreak> systemd-analyze works in 21.04 too
[17:41] <cbreak> at least it does on my 21.04, on which I just tried to run it
[17:41] <cbreak> systemd-analyze blame is interesting
[17:42] <cbreak> I don't get why people complain about systemd, it's so much nicer than the old init jungle
[17:43] <donofrio> Ravindhran, what arch are you useing?
[17:43] <leftyfb> donofrio: please take it to #ubuntu-next
[18:03] <sarnold> Freeaqingme: haha :) oh man, all that effort to find out that your hardware doesn't support more namespaces. funny. I hadn't realized that was even a possibility
[18:25] <h1pot> I'm unable to open the snap version of kdenlive, it gives me 'error while loading shared libraries: libKF5NotifyConfig.so.5'; i already have this library instaled, so i don't know what i can do
[18:27] <BinarySavior> does ubuntu overwrite /var/crash each time the same program crashes in the same way?  I'm asking because i'm not seeing a new core dump after each crash
[18:28] <h1pot> it also prints 'main.go:176: description of prepare-image's "<target-dir>" is lowercase in locale "pt_BR"', but I don't know if it's related
[18:30] <alkisg> BinarySavior: in maybe think that perhaps possibly it doesn't regenerate a new crash report, it keeps the first one
[18:30] <tomreyn> BinarySavior: not normally, no, but there may be some kind of rate limiting
[18:30] <BinarySavior> tomreyn, ulimit -c outputs 0 but it still created a coredump
[18:31] <BinarySavior> doesn't ulimit -c 0 make all coredumps too large to save?
[18:33] <tomreyn> BinarySavior: not those piped to another command, i would assume. but not sure.
[18:38] <tomreyn> BinarySavior: for what it's worth, crash reports are deleted off /var/crash after they uploaded successfully. so maybe that's why you're not seeing them
[18:40] <BinarySavior> oh thanks.  I did press `send` but now i'm not being prompted to send again when the same crash occurs
[18:40] <BinarySavior> is that because the crashes are identical and redundant?
[18:43] <tomreyn> BinarySavior: have you had a look at your apport logs?
[18:45] <tomreyn> BinarySavior: you can salso check which crashes were recorded for your system using https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts/blob/master/whoopsie_reports
[18:48] <BinarySavior> thanks, using that script i have determined the last crash report was sent several days ago. so the application is crashing but a new coredump file is not being generated, nor is a crash report being sent
[18:48] <BinarySavior> perhaps if i move the old coredump file out of /var/crash and then trigger the crash again
[18:50] <BinarySavior> if the application is running as a .AppImage does it still generate a coredump to /var/log?
[19:09] <tomreyn> BinarySavior: what the web page shows are reports generated on top of submissions - your systems' submissions can also fail to generate a proper report or get discarded on the server side. i would think that any process that segfaults would trigger apport, but apport may also discard those client-side if it's clear that somethig is not an ubuntu package.
[19:10] <tomreyn> there's also the UnreportableReason: field in generated crash logs.
[19:14] <goddard> how do i set steam to scale to times 2
[19:15] <goddard> i tried env GDK_SCALE=2 in my .desktop file, but it doesn't work
[19:21] <tomreyn> goddard: try without "env"
[19:23] <tomreyn> or rather use   Exec=export GDK_SCALE=2 && /usr/bin/steam %U
[19:24] <tomreyn> there's also support for it in steam itself: Steam > Settings > Interface, check "Enlarge text and icons based on monitor size" (restart required)
[19:24] <roofy> anyone experiencing with apache?
[19:26] <goddard> tomreyn:that works ?
[19:26] <goddard> hmm ill try again
[19:28] <tomreyn> roofy: you mean the apache software foundation?
[19:28] <roofy> tomreyn, i'm having trouble with my .conf
[19:28] <tomreyn> or a specific software under their umbrella, such as the httpd?
[19:29] <roofy> tomreyn, something like that lol
[19:29] <tomreyn> what's the name of the ubuntu package, and which ubuntu version is this?
[19:31] <roofy> i don't think it has to to do with my version
[19:31] <sarnold> if you're talking about the apache webserver, it most certainly does; they've made some big changes over the years
[19:31] <sarnold> you may find this useful reading https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc
[19:39] <BinarySavior> in var reports the coredump starts with  _usr_bin_ which is wehre i have the application installed from ubuntu ppa
[19:39] <BinarySavior> but i also have an .appimage of the latest snapshot not yet available from ubuntu
[19:40] <BinarySavior> both versions crash in the same way, but i dont see a coredump from the .appimage, i only see a coredump from the package installed from ubuntu
[19:46] <sarnold> BinarySavior: you could try stracing the appimage; maybe it calls prctl to disable dumping, maybe it goes through setuid executables or similar and thus gets dumping disabled that way
[19:47] <roofy> okay i think i got it working
[19:47] <roofy> http://97.100.214.42/
[19:47] <roofy> tell me if this work
[19:48] <BinarySavior> roofy i see a webpage about painting
[19:48] <roofy> BinarySavior, thank you :D
[19:48] <roofy> i had to delete my conf and cp my original conf
[19:48] <roofy> now i have to do the editting wisely
[19:49] <roofy> the domain name should be paint-perfection.com
[19:49] <sarnold> wfm :)
[19:50] <BinarySavior> nslookup paint-perfection.com resolves that ip you pasted, also going to the url in a browser lands me on the same page
[19:50] <roofy> BinarySavior, oh it works i haven't done anything yet
[19:51] <BinarySavior> someone must've done something
[19:51] <BinarySavior> lol
[19:52] <roofy> BinarySavior, well i have my dns record updated
[19:52] <roofy> i'm getting an error message when i start apache
[19:52] <roofy> H00558: httpd: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1. Set the 'ServerName' directive globally to suppress this message
[19:53] <roofy> that means I would have to set my server name to paint-perfection
[19:56] <glumanda> i hope new ubuntu won't have bar on the left ;/
[19:57] <tomreyn> !next | glumanda
[19:58] <SnoopJ> oh yea, I should move mine on this machine
[19:58] <glumanda> ok
[20:00] <donofrio> roofy, #ubuntu-server ?
[20:03] <roofy> donofrio, oh i didnt know you guys had a server channel okay sorry about the bother here :_)
[20:04] <donofrio> ;)
[20:05] <SnoopJ> welp, I tried playing nice with Tracker but cannot find a combination of settings that keeps it from turning my machine into "jet about to take off," so time to disable it entirely I think
[20:06] <donofrio> SnoopJ, what hardware platform you on?
[20:07] <SnoopJ> donofrio, a Razer Blade
[20:07] <donofrio> SnoopJ, if apple then macfanctld
[20:08] <donofrio> oh Razer humm....
[20:08] <SnoopJ> it has a predilection to crank the fan hard, probably because of the GPU and the generally bad airflow
[20:08] <donofrio> perhaps fancontrol ?
[20:08] <SnoopJ> since tracker is the only repeat offender, I'd rather just turn it off
[20:09] <donofrio> k
[20:09] <donofrio> SnoopJ, you mean this? "tracker - metadata database, indexer and search tool?"
[20:09] <SnoopJ> (tried to renice it, turn throttling to max, etc.)
[20:10] <SnoopJ> donofrio, yes, the `extract` component specifically
[20:10] <donofrio> SnoopJ, should only have to run once I would think, just let it complete?
[20:10] <SnoopJ> you would think so, wouldn't you
[20:10] <donofrio> others here would know more I'm guessing
[20:10] <SnoopJ> It solves a problem I don't particularly care about so I'm just gonna disable it for this machine
[20:11] <donofrio> SnoopJ, have you used ubuntu long?
[20:12] <SnoopJ> I think the first version I tried was Breezy Badger
[20:12] <SnoopJ> it definitely wasn't my distribution of choice back then, though :)
[20:14] <donofrio> SnoopJ, so 2005?
[20:14] <SnoopJ> roughly, yea
[20:14] <donofrio> just ask cause whacking services (pid's) might not be the best notion all the time, but your milage may very...
[20:15] <SnoopJ> that would be a bad way to do what I described, yes
[20:15] <SnoopJ> I set org.freedesktop.Tracker.Miner.Files.crawling-interval to -2 to disable crawling entirely
[20:16] <donofrio> SnoopJ, ah I use xfce or lxde if not heavy desktop needed.....
[20:17] <SnoopJ> I don't think the wm has any impact on it
[20:17] <donofrio> SnoopJ, well that setting is for gnome fwiw
[20:18] <SnoopJ> why do you say it's GNOME-specific?
[20:18] <donofrio> SnoopJ, https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker/Documentation/Configuration
[20:18] <donofrio> SnoopJ, just for grins what wm are you using?
[20:18] <SnoopJ> GNOME
[20:19] <donofrio> exactly
[20:19] <SnoopJ> exactly what
[20:19] <donofrio> and your fans are going driving the gpu hard and causing noise so that is why I recommended a light weight wm
[20:19] <donofrio> but as I said your milage may vary
[20:20] <SnoopJ> that description does not sound like it matches my problem very well
[20:20] <donofrio> (fwiw gnome is not a light weight wm)
[20:20] <SnoopJ> you aren't wrong
[20:21] <donofrio> from that url "A quick way to find out what settings are available on any given installed version of tracker is to use:$ gsettings list-recursively | grep -i org.freedesktop.Tracker | sort | uniq "
[20:21] <SnoopJ> yes, including the one I mentioned
[20:22] <donofrio> exactly
[20:23]  * SnoopJ isn't sure why this makes the setting GNOME-specific
[20:23] <donofrio> gsetting is for gnome
[20:23] <SnoopJ> if you say so. I can't help but get the sense that I'm being tut-tutted at, here.
[20:24] <donofrio> nah, do what you want....just here to help.
[20:24]  * SnoopJ is pretty sure the flaw would exhibit on another wm
[20:31] <friendlyguy> hi there! i try to recover a old ubuntu 12.04 system. i moved the disk contents and now try to reinstall grub to the new disk
[20:31] <friendlyguy> sda has three partitions: sda1=boot, sda2=swap, sda3=root
[20:31] <friendlyguy> i booted a live cd and mounted sda3 to /mnt, sda1 to /mnt/boot
[20:31] <friendlyguy> i then mounted /proc /dev as well as sys with the bind option to /mnt/proc etc
[20:32] <friendlyguy> chrooted into /mnt
[20:32] <friendlyguy> now when i try to run grub-install --recheck i get: Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[20:32] <friendlyguy> the exact command i run is "grub-install --recheck /dev/sda"
[20:32] <friendlyguy> i ran out of ideas what to try, any ideas pretty please? :)
[20:32] <friendlyguy> btw: thats grub 0.97
[20:33] <tomreyn> friendlyguy: why not just back it up and do a non stone age install?
[20:33] <friendlyguy> i modified the menu.lst which is in (chrooted) /boot/grub/menu.lst to use the uuid of /dev/sda3 instead of "/dev/sda3"
[20:34] <sarnold> friendlyguy: I strongly recommend ignoring everything to do with booting this system and just get the data off of it
[20:36] <friendlyguy> i have no idea what kind of "stuff" is going on there and whether the stuff will run on newer linux versions
[20:37] <friendlyguy> its real load of stuff some engineer maked to work together "somehow" and program very old controllers
[20:38] <tomreyn> the oldest Ubuntu release supported here is 18.04 LTS.
[20:38] <friendlyguy> i can try to do that on another system, but probably the "faster" way to get it running is to get the bootloader installed
[20:39] <friendlyguy> i managed to get the data off that broken disk and now i only need to get this machine to boot
[20:39] <donofrio> friendlyguy, nope, just get the data, applications will better of being reinstalled
[20:39] <friendlyguy> yeah, but i dont know how and there are A LOT
[20:41] <donofrio> friendlyguy, clonezilla it and mount the drive up on the new install chroot it if you have to....
[20:41] <donofrio> friendlyguy, it's 10 years old
[20:42] <friendlyguy> yes, and the code that runs on it is probably even older
[20:42] <donofrio> friendlyguy, what does it do?  run a machine cnc or a robot?
[20:43] <friendlyguy> its used to build the software that later gets flashed onto some hardware controllers. i am sorry, but i dont know much more about it.
[20:44] <friendlyguy> its also used to diagnose them
[20:45] <friendlyguy> i`ve never used the machine myself, its something that sat in a shelf and they pulled out to support one of our "ancient" products
[20:45] <donofrio> ah well yah image it using clonezilla so you don't lose everything if the drive dies....
[20:46] <donofrio> use scp method to image it to another linux system to store the files then you can mount it locally then chroot to it and it should have its apps running if they are all cmdline and you know the passwd's
[20:47] <friendlyguy> yeah, already did that. ddrescued the stuff from the original drive to a new one. made a clone of it and thats what i am working with atm
[20:49] <friendlyguy> couldnt read stuff at the beginning of the disk, but that that was in /root and /boot partitions seems to be fine
[20:49] <friendlyguy> just need to get grub to install into the mbr
[20:50] <friendlyguy> (fingers crossed)
[20:55] <donofrio> so your / volume got cloned intact I take it?
[20:58] <friendlyguy> probably
[21:00] <friendlyguy> careful with absolutes. there were unrecoverable errors during the ddrescue process
[21:09] <tich> Hi, yesterday I asked about getting my headphone jack to work and it was suggested that I install firmware-sof-signed but I would have to do a force install... what's the best/easiest way to do that?
[21:10] <tomreyn> tich: can you show the command and output (on https://paste.ubuntu.com) that would suggest you need to --force ?
[21:17] <tich> tomreyn: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/RBPbqb7TnS/
[21:19] <sarnold> ew
[21:19] <tich> Hi tomreyn ! Nice to see you again :-)
[21:20] <tomreyn> tich: hi. looks like my suggestion that you may need this package was incorrect then. after all, the firmware is already in linux-firmware. when you run "sudo apt-get --force-yes install firmware-sof-signed" this cannot be the reason why you think you need to --force, since you already decided you need to.
[21:21] <sarnold> I wonder if the multiverse package has a newer version, or if it's an atavism that ought to be removed
[21:21] <tomreyn> tich: anyways, this looks like a packaging bug, i suggest you stay away from firmware-sof-signed for now and keep using linux-firmware instead. maybe try a different kernel image, such as one from mainline.
[21:22] <tomreyn> !mainline
[21:22] <tomreyn> note those are unsupported, though
[21:23] <tomreyn> tich: also re-post the alsa-info url if you still have it, so others can look into it.
[21:24] <tomreyn> ah, i found tich's alsa-info from the other day: http://alsa-project.org/db/?f=fc56dff5250798edfcf8ab029491ca8760f145ee
[21:24] <tich> Amazing! Thanks
[21:25] <tich> I'll read about the mainline builds
[21:37] <tich> Tomreyn: would I just choose the most recent?
[21:42] <tich> And "generic"?
[21:46] <tich> And lastly, (maybe) modules as well as kernel?
[23:17] <BinarySavior> hi I am compiling with make but it's terminating with error python.h no such file or directory
[23:17] <BinarySavior> i have installed python-dev python2-dev from apt
[23:19] <sarnold> BinarySavior: hopefully whatever you're trying to build will say where that dependency comes from
[23:20] <sarnold> BinarySavior: apt-file search /python.h | grep 'h$' reports a packages that supply a python.h file, but none of them look like the obvious choice
[23:28] <BinarySavior> sarnold, it was looking for python3.6 where I have python3.9
[23:28] <BinarySavior> i fixed it now
[23:29] <sarnold> BinarySavior: woot