[00:26] hi [00:27] jamer05: Welcome jamer05 - your ubuntu support question ? [00:28] oh I though that there is no responder here [00:28] sorry i gotta go [00:28] haha [00:29] JanC: Plenty of peeps - just depends on who is watching :P === pan is now known as pankid === genii is now known as genii-core === Ricardus_ is now known as Ricardus === Jimmy_H_ is now known as Jimmy_H [02:17] h [02:17] Hi* [02:19] hey [03:20] This channels quite tonight :) [03:20] too quiet [03:20] * sarnold hears harmonicas in the distance [03:21] 955 users real busy [04:01] how do I prevent ubuntu from connecting to a particular microphone? [04:13] NeilRG: you can prevent it from using it as an input source, and you can mute it. you can't prevent it from connecting to the mic, because Ubuntu is a software, the connection is in hardware. [04:13] tomreyn, great, I just need to prevent it from using it as an input source, since it puts my headphones into headset mode [04:13] when it does that [04:13] how do I prevent it from using it as an input source? [04:14] so this is bluetooth, i assume? [04:14] tomreyn, it's a USB "speaker/microphone" [04:14] this thing https://avantree.com/ca/leaf-bluetooth-usb-audio-transmitter?___store=ca&___from_store=default [04:15] nitrousoxide: so quassel still sucks. it spaces lines in the main chat inconsistently, even cutting off the bottoms of some lines [04:15] I want to keep using it as an output device, just prevent the microphone from being used [04:15] every time i restart it, my servers/channels panel is on the left again, even though i put it on the right. [04:16] the dark theme has some parts in the settings that are dark grey on darker grey and only possible to see when squinting [04:16] i think it chokes on unicode/emoticons and that's the source of some of the line spacing issues. [04:16] NeilRG: you can use pavucontrol to select input sources, set volumes, and mute sinks [04:17] anyone have a recommendation for a good IRC client for ubuntu? preferably without third-party repos? [04:17] something simple preferably. [04:17] tomreyn, when I plug in the USB device, it connects to everything by default. I want to change this connection behavior [04:17] NeilRG: but if thi sis a matter of selecting the right bluetooth audio profile (headset vs. headphones) you may need to look for a device specific solution [04:17] NeilRG: there's a ton of flexibility in alsa and pulse, this might be easy or it might be hard, I'm not sure :) this guide may help you find something useful https://venam.nixers.net/blog/unix/2021/02/07/audio-stack.html [04:17] Croran: I've been using irssi for ~18 years, I like it pretty well. weechat is also popular. [04:18] sarnold: good. what do you like about it? is it simple? polished? [04:18] sarnold, thanks, this is quite complicated for me :/ [04:19] Croran: it can handle a few hundred channels / queries and a dozen networks without any real trouble. there's loads of scripts available if you want to customize something, and writing your own isn't terrible if you want to [04:19] NeilRG: aye :( [04:19] is there some keyword I can google for the autoconnection behavior to microphones? [04:19] sarnold: ok but what if i don't want to customize anything. is it good out of the box? complies with ubuntu's theme? has no annoying little issues? [04:20] Croran: it'll probably require a bit of configuration out of the box, https://irssi.org/documentation/startup/ describes many of the common things [04:24] tomreyn, is the pavucontrol configuration preserved between restarts? Or is there some way to memorize it? [04:25] NeilRG: yes, it should be preserved [04:25] tomreyn, oh, well in that case, this is a perfect solution [04:25] hope it works :) [04:27] sarnold: what do you configure on yours? [04:29] Croran: I don't think I did too much crazy; the one weird thing I've got is an always-visible window for server status messages, that shows me a ton of heuristics about one of the irc networks I'm on, so I can better deal with abuse on it.. [04:29] NeilRG: so do i, good luck. [04:29] Croran: I've got a script loaded to replace the usual 'jump to most active window' command, that jumps to the *oldest* window with activity, which really helps when there's hudnreds of active channels.. [04:30] Croran: oh yeah, I've got the trackbar extension loaded, that's very handy. strongly recommended. [04:30] trackbar? [04:31] yeah, it'll put a row of --------------- at whatever point 'new content' comes in [04:31] so when you swap between a few windows it'll be easy to spot what's new and what's old [04:31] ah. quassel does that automatically, but with a one pixel line. [04:32] ah good then you're familiar with how nice it is :) [04:33] time for me to get some dinner, have a good local time of day :) [04:47] Exterminador: good morning. your cpu seems to be this, from the "Comet Lake" family: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/201892/intel-core-i510310u-processor-6m-cache-up-to-4-40-ghz.html [05:10] 20.04 this page says night light exists but activities cannot find it. https://itsfoss.com/night-shift-flux-ubuntu-linux/ [05:11] morgans: settings -> appearance [05:11] morgans: settings -> displays actually [05:14] morgans: do you see it now? [05:18] sec [05:20] tomreyn, I do not. settings, appearance has window colors, 3 choices, and dock. [05:21] I am aiming to back up and then repartion the drive, and reinstall. Which version of ubu would you recommend? [05:22] I think I erased some of the support programs "blindly following instructions" from here or a webpage. [05:22] morgans: not "appearance" but "displays" [05:23] it is a TAB [05:23] unless you have very new hardware, ubuntu 20.04 should be fine (maybe even then). [05:23] Thank you. [05:26] OK then I will einstall 20.04 -- my big problem (we discussed it months ago)is that it all freezes every day or two. My working solution is so that chrome will reopen with all the tabs sfter I click restore. (If I quit chrome the tabs are forgotten iir.) -- This is clumsey but better than the hard reboot. I had to do that yesterday for a reason i did not fully understand, It cold have been chrome [05:26] but it froze with the update software requesting. [05:26] reinstall not einstall [05:27] As long as I have your attention. It is D.U.M.B. that I cants search fora program /app by name in "Software". [05:28] And why cant I just be able to let the system know that I alway want it to install updates. Don't bug me baby! [05:28] my suggestion if you want versatility: use the apt CLI [05:28] it's fast and actually quite easy to use [05:28] morgans: really you can't search for a program by name? [05:29] That's about it. [05:29] There isnt a search box. [05:29] morgans: tell me more. you hit the 'windows key' and the 'menu' appears, right? and then you can't type in the name of a program? [05:29] windows key? will try. [05:30] morgans: when chrome freezes, you still have a terminal? What's the output of `dmesg` and `journalct -b -f` at that point? [05:30] nope Croran [05:31] morgans: huh. must by a gnome thing, but i could have sworn there was a text search in there. [05:31] be* [05:31] alkisg, ah but I didnt say chrome freezes. I said "it all freezes" I cant do anything, even get a terminal. But sometimes I can catch it early. I will look next time. [05:32] Curious, what DE do you use? [05:32] morgans: unity. lol [05:32] morgans: then how can you `kill chrome -9` then, from where? [05:32] morgans: but i did try gnome for a few days when I first upgraded to 20.04 LTS [05:32] morgans: you can't get a terminal with ctrl+alt+f3 or whatever? [05:32] oh right. That is when I catch it early. (smash face V8 emoji) [05:32] morgans: ctrl+shift+f3? i don't remember if it's shift or alt. [05:33] ah that is the code I needed to knw that. wait let mewrite this down before I forget. [05:33] ctrl+alt+fx [05:33] morgans: what's the output of `free` currently in your pc? [05:33] alkisg: i want to say it's just ctrl+fx in other distros, no? [05:33] cr0n0s: no, it's a kernel thing, the same in all distros [05:34] While it's right-ctrl+fx in virtualbox, as it's how it emulates ctrl+alt [05:34] saved. I will check on the free command [05:34] alkisg: huh [05:35] ...no idea why wrote `cr0n0s` instead of `Cronan` above, sorry about that ... [05:35] alkisg: my guess is because you typed 'cron' instead of 'cror' [05:35] Quite possibly [05:35] looks like that is about ram. 0 8otal used 5.19 free 136420.swap 2 free 1729040 [05:36] Yeah, when chrome freezes everything, RAM is the first suspect [05:36] and so, is there anything I can do? [05:36] And the second one is graphics card drivers [05:36] Sometime before it freezes, check the output of `ps faux` for ram usage [05:36] morgans: ubuntu software on 20.04 LTS with search icon on the top left corner https://i.imgur.com/5zZNA9I.png [05:37] alkisg: maybe a good idea to set up conky with a big visual RAM monitor. that way you can shift+esc in chrome and kill problematic tabs as needed. [05:37] I have a little story about the ram. when I use is it memtest. It stops afer about 1 sec. when I use the dell technology whater to check it all is ok. [05:37] It might be because you have many tabs in chrome, or it might even be because there's a memory leak elsewhere, wasting your RAM [05:37] IIR it is in slots 1 and 2. Dell inspiron. [05:37] morgans: well make sure you're using memtest86+, but if you are then there's almost for sure a ram issue. [05:37] morgans: could just be ram creeping out of the slots needs to be re-seated [05:38] I have many tabs. so chrome should be able to handle them. I [05:38] something something sandbags [05:38] yes that memtest. [05:38] morgans: shift+esc in chrome and sort by ram. kill tabs that have ridiculous amounts of ram [05:38] morgans: well be sure because there's like.... memtest86 and then memtest86+ totally different. [05:39] OK is slots 1 and 2 ok? I remember something in some computer about 1 and 3 [05:39] morgans: even if it's in wrong slots won't cause crash [05:39] morgans: just slower ram throughput [05:39] well I can always recheck. can I do that in terminal now? how? [05:39] morgans: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS Settings application with "Displays" selecte don the vertical menu (left column) and "Night Light" tab selected on the title bar https://i.imgur.com/nYyHJW8.png [05:39] morgans: best to boot to a boot CD/flash drive that has memtest86+ on it. i don't know if it even works from within an OS [05:40] morgans: so i think if you had a proper installation you'd have both of the things you claim don't exist [05:40] Yes tomreyn that is what I found. You maty have missed me saying, PH itls a tab. and then Thank you. [05:40] OH (not PH) [05:40] I didntknow where to go. [05:40] ok [05:40] so Thank you again. [05:41] you're welcome [05:41] morgans: whats OH? [05:41] try to do a web search when you run into such issues first of all. [05:41] (I tried to try fedora out once or twice but the help channel is unpopulated. Ditto for manjaro) [05:42] I did. As I commented here I found a page and I followed it. I even gave the link to the page.\ [05:42] ok, it's good that you tried. :) [05:43] I like to do my homework before I ask. (But I aint perfect yet.) [05:44] Croran, it is a TYPO.. (as in "You may have missed me saying, PH itls a tab. and then Thank you." [05:46] morgans: so you found the search box for the software application as well? anything else that doesn't work, yet? [05:47] morgans: ... it sounded like you were saying 'PH is a typo and you meant OH'... [05:47] morgans: i don't know what either one is. define your acronyms please [05:48] yes ph is a typo and I meanst oh. Oh is a normal english word that emphasizes. It jsut looks technical out of context. [05:48] (sad face emoji) [05:48] morgans: ok it looks technical because you capitalized it [05:48] morgans: and capitalized PH so even less context [05:49] No tom I didnt find the seach box. I also didnt find the program memtest. I looked up how to find programs then did an ls of /usr/bin and sbin and it was not in either place. [05:49] morgans: so did you look at the screen shot i posted? [05:50] Croran, I am so sorry. Please accept this beer. [05:50] morgans: i'm saying you need to download a bootable memtest86+ image. you won't find it in apt. [05:50] no didnt see screen shot tomreyn [05:50] morgans: i want to say it may be included in the Ubuntu ISO image and appearing in the grub menu when you boot to that ISO. [05:50] morgans: but if not, you need to download the standalone memtest86+ iso from it's respective website [05:50] morgans: and burn to cd or create a bootable flash [05:51] morgans: ubuntu software on 20.04 LTS with search icon on the top left corner https://i.imgur.com/5zZNA9I.png [05:51] also missed this. [05:51] [22:28:35] <tomreyn> my suggestion if you want versatility: use the apt CLI [05:51] [22:28:52] <tomreyn> it's fast and actually quite easy to use [05:53] memtest86+ is availabel from the grub menu if you're booting in (legacy) bios mode. to run a proper memory test in uefi boot mode you'll need to download the proprietary (free to use) test off https://www.memtest86.com/ [05:53] nope tomreyn I do not see it in your screenshot. I also reopened mine which looks like yours - and clicked all the things. [05:54] morgans: what do you see in the top left corner of https://i.imgur.com/5zZNA9I.png [05:54] Well it just BIT me. (not an acronym) [05:55] Thanks again. [05:55] somehow I registered as a gadget that I didnt have to look at. [05:56] I was expecting to see a text box I guess. [05:58] Oh I see my memtest problem. I did this before. I saw a .exe file and thought "anathema" Now I see the readme file and will use that before anything else. Also I wil read about this program CLI. [05:58] http://www.memtest.org/ is the one i'm talking about [05:58] memtest86+ [05:58] I think I am headed on a better track and that's enough for tonight. [05:59] I have "stuff" tomorrow. [05:59] CLI is short for command line interface. i.e. running applications in a terminal window. [05:59] beginning of all https://i.redd.it/inso5hwqvij71.png [06:00] oh. I knew that old definition and use that language. tomreyn // Croran wow that page is the page I really wanted to be on. [06:01] morgans: yep memtest86+ [06:01] i WOULD LIKE TO YOU. dO YOU ALL HAVE IpHONES OR aNDROIDS? [06:01] oops [06:02] Androids :) [06:02] i have iphone. first ever iphone for me. [06:02] memtest.org's memtest86+, which is also in ubuntu, and available from the grub menu at boot, isn't going to work if you boot in uefi mode, which most current computers do. [06:02] I do believe I turned that mode off. [06:02] tomreyn: that's interesting. I guess I've always set mine to CSM mode [06:02] SCM ? [06:03] kindly move the android vs iphne discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic or elsewhere. [06:03] C [06:03] Ok I will look there for any convo. [06:03] compatibility something... something... [06:03] i don't remember exactly. lol. [06:03] support module [06:03] yeah [06:03] enables legacy boot [06:08] has anyone here put ubuntu on a cr50 type chromebook? Need a little help with closing the ccd after removing ubuntu. [06:09] jeffmr4: Closing the CCD? Like... turning off the camera? [06:10] um, no. google security chip closed case debugging [06:10] gsc and ccd [06:10] https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/cr50_stab/docs/case_closed_debugging_cr50.md [06:11] jeffmr4: um define your fucking acronyms [06:11] I know this isn't directly ubuntu but I can't get to chromium os developer channels on freenode. [06:11] google security chip (gsc) and closed case debugging (ccd) [06:11] jeffmr4: ccd is a camera sensor. and 'closing the compact diskc' was a good bet if i'd tried to further translate your gibberish question [06:12] disk* [06:12] kind of rude huh? [06:13] sounds like its not in your 'wheelhouse' of knowledge [06:13] jeffmr4: not as rude as wasting everyone's time with a poorly written question [06:13] completely clear to someone who would know what I am talking about [06:14] jeffmr4: and clearly no one else deserves your respect [06:14] Croran: hey, there's no need to fight over this. [06:17] No problem. I hope there's someone here who knows about 'closing the closed case debugging' on a CR50 . [06:18] who put a bug up your a**. I don't even know you? [06:19] jeffmr4: You don't? Is that a question? Why would you expect to know me? [06:20] please, stop now, both of you. [06:20] this channel isn't about what your issues are so I'll stop here. [06:20] jeffmr4: to cut this short, i think you'll have a better chance of finding an answer in a chrombook related channel (i assume there can be one or two around here, try asking alis - or have you?) [06:20] !alis [06:20] Alis is an IRC service to help you find channels. For help on using it, see «/msg Alis help list» or ask in #libera - Example usage: «/msg Alis list http» [06:21] I have asked at chromium-os but there other channels I don't have access to on freenode. [06:21] no there *the === Abrax is now known as info === info is now known as Abrax === Abrax is now known as info [06:22] !register | jeffmr4 [06:22] jeffmr4: For information on registering your IRC nick, see https://libera.chat/guides/registration - For any further help, ask in #libera [06:22] that'll help you join more channels [06:23] that's ok, I don't think there are any others. I used alis. But thanks. [06:26] I'll wait to register. I had some troubles like this on freenode. I don't really know what I said that deserved being attacked. [06:26] so I'm a little cautious about irc === Abrax is now known as Our69IsDue2The42 [06:28] jeffmr4: it's not how you're normally greeted here. your question does seem toff-topic to me, since it's not really about ubuntu itself, but rather about firmware modifications on a specific piece of hardware, from what i understand. === Our69IsDue2The42 is now known as Our69IsDueTo420 [06:29] It is, but like I said I couldn't find another place to ask it so I thought I would try here since people here have been generally friendly. === Our69IsDueTo420 is now known as Abrax [06:31] jeffmr4, there is a cannel called #freenode that is helpful for these issues. [06:31] morgans: this is libera not freenode :) [06:32] s/freenode/libera/ and add probably has such a channel. [06:32] good call. [06:32] morgans, ubuntu and other people on other channels of linux distros and the like moved to libera because of issues with freenode staff taking over channels. [06:33] like I said, I've had my issues with freenode and so I can't really search there. [06:37] I've talked to you about issues before tomreyn and you've been nice but I'm not sure why if how I was greeted here was not right, why I'm the one being addressed and not Croran. [06:42] jeffmr4: i addressed the two of you when this became a discussion on this channel, wehre it does not belong. before that i addressed Croran exclusively. Let's move to #ubuntu-ops if you'd like to discuss this more. [06:42] tomreyn are you a moderator? [06:43] Croran: i ashould add that the very aggressive behaviour you have shown is not acceptable here. and you're also invited to #ubuntu-ops if you want to comment on this. [06:44] jeffmr4: yes, but that's not a topic for this channel. [06:46] Hello! [06:46] I'd like to add a secondary hostname for localhost, currently localhost is defined in hosts file as "127.0.0.1 localhost", and somehow even though hosts-file doesn't support wildcards i can do "ping asd.localhost" and it resolves to ::1. Is this a systemd-resolved feature or is there some magic going on elsewhere? [06:46] hi Guest7057 , got an ubuntu support question? [06:47] Are you sure? [06:47] I'd like to add a host called "myhost" which resolves just like *.localhost does [06:47] cetex: I don't think you can do that, but i can try to find out [06:48] Guest7057: Yeah.. Right now i'm just curious where this magic wildcard-resolution happens. [06:48] After i've found it i can continue research on my own. [06:48] cetex, you can not specify myhost in the search domain block [06:49] Guest7057: No.. But localhost isn't defined in search domain block eiter [06:49] so where is the name "localhost" getting special treatment? [06:49] Yes, you would have to use *.myhost [06:50] I don't know exactly, but it is not defined in resolv.conf file. [06:50] but hosts-file doesn't support wildcards. [06:50] yeah. So my question still stands, where is it defined :) [06:50] There must be some configuration file? [06:51] Guest7057: I understand that you want to be helpful, but if you don't know or don't know how to find it, don't bother. I'm hoping someone of the about 1000 people here actually knows. [06:53] But I know how to be helpful. [06:54] join infinity [06:55] #infinity [06:56] hello boi [06:57] tushar: Are you a robot? [06:57] no [06:58] oh. [07:00] cetex: i don't know this for sure, but my guess is that this is by design. any .localhost subdomain will always resolve to 127.0.0.1 / ::1 [07:00] you could read the relevant RFC's on the matter [07:01] RFC6761 looks like a good starting point. [07:01] yes. [07:02] tomreyn: it's not defined there. it just defines .localhost. as a special domain that should not be used on internet. [07:02] tomreyn: I think it's a systemd-resolved "magic feature" [07:06] man systemd-resolved: SYNTHETIC RECORDS: The hostnames "localhost" and "localhost.localdomain" as well as any hostname ending in ".localhost" or".localhost.localdomain" are resolved to the IP addresses 127.0.0.1 and ::1. [07:09] cetex: good find. so it's systemd-resolved specific, right (other stub resolvers *might* do this, too). [07:12] cetex: the kernel resolves all of 127.0.0.0/8 to localhost [07:14] hah, wrote that upside down! try again. kernel assumes all of 127.0.0.0/8 is on lo (not the same thing!) [07:15] cetex: also, what systemd-resolved does will depend on NSS and its hosts databases/order [07:17] TJ-: Yeah. 127.0.0.0/8 is just a simple routing-lookup. [07:18] And i'm not sure what systemd-resolved does depends on nsswitch, but i'm sure that nsswitch might point out systemd-resolved. [07:18] if NSS hosts has 'file' it'll look at /etc/hosts [07:18] TJ-: yeah. Sure. But that doesn't alter systemd-resolved's behaviour. [07:18] afaik [07:19] resolved can add its own entries to the host entry; usually its 'dns' but there is also 'resolve' and 'mymachines' [07:21] cetex: resolved only synthesises if there's nothing else mapping it from the network. src/resolve/resolved-dns-query.c::dns_query_synthesize_reply() [07:26] TJ-: Thanks. :) [07:26] TJ-: I'll see how that works. [07:34] https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/e65357b6585629ee2138e53d02face3914621a2e/src/resolve/resolved-dns-synthesize.c#L397-L427 - pretty clear that it's hardcoded to just do a couple localhost-things.. [07:34] https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/da9c8911b438ea1df8de4abd2c31a996b9388934/src/basic/hostname-util.c#L178-L193 and here .localhost and .localdomain is hardcoded [07:43] cetex: but control flow isn't necessarily going to reach that code [07:44] cetex: dns_query_synthesize_reply() will return without doing any of that if there is already an answer. [07:45] TJ-: Yeah. Maybe not. But i'm pretty sure it does reach that in my scenarios as there's no matching GTLD.. So then the question is, recompile systemd or add 50 hostnames to /etc/hosts. :) [07:50] cetex: you have 50 hostnames that all need to resolve to 127.0.0.1 ? [07:50] cetex: I think I must have missed something earlier [07:52] TJ-: yeah.. [07:53] cetex: in the normal course of events I simply add to /etc/hosts "127.0.1.1 host1 host2 host3 host4" etc [07:54] developing a service where we have global + regional apis / hostnames + each customer has their own subdomain so it quickly grows to a long list of hostnames we need to support, and we want to test everything locally. [07:54] cetex: in which case use a DNS server! [07:55] Yeah.. Was looking into this to see if it was possible to do without dnsmasq. Don't want dnsmasq on my laptop so i think i'll just add them to /etc/hosts like before. [07:55] BIND with views (split DNS) can do that [07:56] dnsmasq is often already installed as a dependency of network-manager [07:56] or libvirtd, and a few other common tools [07:56] Not a dependency for network-manager for some time on ubuntu [07:56] ubuntu switched to systemd-resolved quite some time ago. [07:57] cetex: it's a recommends for network-manager so is usually pulled in by default [07:58] still a recommends in 21.10 [07:58] Ah.. But it's not running then [07:59] anyways, i don't want dnsmasq. [07:59] It's used for internet connection sharing, not for the default dns resolution anymore [08:03] cetex: regarding the earlier resolved discussion on how/what happens, note resolved.conf's ReadEtcHosts directive (defaults to 'yes') [08:04] TJ-: yeah. Would've been nice if that added support for wildcards :) [08:04] then it would "just work" for many purposes.. [08:05] behave as expected and so on. [08:06] * sri19 Good morning, I built an app (https://gitlab.com/sri-at-gitlab/projects/xlap) and I am looking for a noob-friendly guide to learn how to distribute this on Ubuntu + derivatives. Any pointers? Ty. [08:07] !info libnss-wrapper | cetex [08:07] cetex: libnss-wrapper (1.1.11-1ubuntu2, hirsute): NSS wrapper library. In component universe, is optional. Built by nss-wrapper. Size 29 kB / 97 kB [08:08] cetex: ^^^ will allow you to set up a specific 'test' hosts file rather than mess with the system hosts [08:08] sri19: there is a packaging guide on the debian site iirc [08:09] Ty ducasse [08:09] cetex: https://cwrap.org/nss_wrapper.html [08:14] TJ-: Yeah.. Might be on to something there, but not really worth it if it just means another hosts-file which i have to add entries to, can just do the system one instead [08:15] less things which can go wrong. :) [08:16] apt install nvidia-cuda-dev tries to uninstall libnvidia-compute-470 :( === SmokenatorZ4 is now known as SmokenatorZ [08:44] cetex: if you used libnss-wrapper you can package the test hosts with the project [08:45] cbreak: that allows then to be included in version control [08:45] oops, cetex ^^ [09:11] TJ-: yeah.. but i have colleagues who has other setups. osx and not-ubuntu.. [09:16] Sometimes I wonder if TJ ever sleeps [09:30] ravage: so do i! [09:31] my colleague has just quipped "no, he never sleeps!" [09:31] He never sleeps this is true! [09:31] I wish I could - I've been banging my head trying to understand how to properly use tc qdisc and filters for the last 24 hours! [09:31] Grrrr @ CJ [09:32] For that I'm getting in the hot tub! [10:06] my panel is not working [10:06] i can't see my panel please help !! [10:08] ram: press alt-F2 and type r [10:09] no it don't work [10:10] do you have any idea what could have caused it to happen in the first place? [10:10] i have deleted my panel [10:11] on default ubuntu, with gnome-shell? [10:11] i'm not sure you can do it at all. [10:12] sorry I don't get you ! [10:12] I am using linux mint xfce version [10:12] then you're not on the right support channel [10:13] can you give me the link as i can't open firofox [10:14] "You can access the chatroom from within Linux Mint, by launching "Menu -> Internet -> Hexchat" (or "Konversation" if you are using the KDE edition)." [10:14] that's from https://linuxmint.com/contactus.php - it doesn't say where the irc chat actually is [10:14] !mint [10:14] The Ubuntu channels can only provide support for Ubuntu and its official flavors, since other distributions and derivatives have repository and software changes. So please use their dedicated support venues, for example: Linux Mint (#linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org), Kali Linux (#kali-linux), and LXLE (#lxle) [10:15] you can help me by sending me the link for torrent of Linux Mint xfce edition 20.2 uma !! [10:15] no [10:16] to download it from trasmission as i can't open any apps [10:16] i can help you on how to install ubuntu [10:22] Hi! I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for how to properly get the network regulatory db installed [10:22] Thought it would be the CRDA like in the past, but apparently the Ubuntu 18.04 CRDA package isn't signed correctly? === keypushe- is now known as keypusher [10:48] I have the curious case of a Ubuntu 20.04 system that forgot how to do IPv4. It gets an IPv6 address, but no IPv4 address by DHCP. And even if I statically assign one, and even though it can ping e.g. the router and some (not all) of the other devices on the network, any attempt of doing TCP over IPv4 just fails, whether to the Internet or on the LAN. I've verified that netfilter/iptables is empty, I've [10:48] found the problem with both cable and wireless, I've tried lowering the MTU (though that should not matter on the LAN), and I am no generally at the end of my wisdom. [10:50] *now generally at the end of my wisdom [10:50] not to say this is the weirdest networking puzzle I've ever seen. === PonyBlocks is now known as PonyGone [11:01] why is ubuntu UPS so badly supported? [11:01] nothing on internet except NUT package, which has outdated python2 UPS gui tool [11:01] i tried to port it to python3 but i got a headache [11:02] UPS as in uninterrupted power supply? [11:03] madduck: i think more details would be needed. ubuntu version, your configurations, whether you use network manager or systemd-networkd, netplan etc. [11:05] tomreyn: 20.04, as stated. Standard configuration i.e. nothing special, network manager yes. And it worked a couple of days ago. Anything in particular you want to know more about? [11:05] No systemd-networkd [11:05] No netplan [11:06] madduck: oops yes you wrote 20.04, sorry [11:06] did you try to turn it off and on again? [11:06] rud0lf: don't worry, UPS has *always* been badly supported on any Linux ;) [11:06] madduck: default kernel? any customizations regarding kernel or networking? [11:07] tomreyn: it's a standard ubuntu install. The user does not even know what a kernel is, and probably thinks the Internet is some sort of fox hugging a globe. [11:07] madduck: does ipv4 work on loopback? [11:08] cbreak: excellent thinking; Yes, I can establish an SSH session with 127.0.0.1 [11:08] madduck: at least i made NUT cooperate with UPS like send me notification on power on/off and shutting down system on low battery [11:09] madduck: does ipv4 work to your own ipv4 addresses on other interfaces? [11:09] cbreak: yes, it does. [11:09] i can't imagine how can you have desktop pc with no ups [11:09] sounds like a routing issue then [11:10] SSH to an outside v4 address gets to "debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent [11:10] rud0lf: I can't imagine how you can have a laptop pc without ups :) [11:10] the fuses in my new apt are set to low current so they sometimes blow if water boiler, fridge, and microwave run together [11:10] cbreak: hehe [11:10] and then hangs. SO sounds like MTU. But… [11:11] TCP on LAN also does not work, so that suggests it cannot just be MTU [11:11] I'd recommend checking the routing table [11:12] cbreak: it's fine. ping works to anywhere too. [11:12] rud0lf: not sure how this works, but on 21.04, my UPS shows up in the menu bar as widget, like a laptop battery would [11:12] cbreak: https://scratch.madduck.net/2021-08-26-231226-paste-rpxtEk.txt — those VPN connections are OpenVPN maintaining an IPv6 connection to the server. [11:13] rud0lf: there's also apcupsd, which only works with apc upses [11:14] madduck: openvpn :/ [11:14] I think vpn packets will reduce the mtu due to the packaging overhead [11:14] the connections don't go via openvpn [11:15] could do a tcpdump and just repeat the ssh connection or just a nc to another system. [11:16] without openvpn, I would not be able to look into this. I mean, consider this: the machine does not get a v4 lease by DHCP, but v6 works. So OpenVPN manages to establish a tunnel via v6, which allows me to SSH into the machine. So I am now debugging an IPv4 stack while logged into the machine on the other side of the world (I am in NZ, machine in DE), because OpenVPN-over-v6 is remarkably stable ;) [11:17] you could also try booting an earlier kernel [11:17] maybe you have some old packages stuck which are holding back updates that are needed for things to work properly? apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' | nc termbin.com 9999 [11:18] though i guess that's something you would have considered [11:18] https://termbin.com/go0r [11:19] that's fine [11:21] wow [11:21] NUT monitor does not support UTF-8 messages [11:22] it is interesting to note that it was working with 5.8.0-63-generic and stopped working pretty much around the time it got rebooted with 5.11.0-27-generic [11:22] i need to use "Wylaczono" (has been turned off) instead of "Wyłączono" [11:22] it looks so ugly and inprofessional! [11:24]