[00:23] <jamga> theres nothing going on here
[00:24] <sarnold> ayup
[00:24] <jamga> why bother?
[00:25] <jamga> maybe its an alternate reality
[00:25] <jamga> this isnt the real ubuntu chat
[00:26] <jamga> like the matrix movie
[00:26] <sarnold> will the real ubuntu chat please stand up?
[00:26] <jamga> i opened the wrong door or something
[00:27] <jamga> thats what it is
[00:27] <jamga> its a carbon copy
[00:28] <jamga> why did ubuntu change server to liberia?
[00:29] <sarnold> because the new management at freenode decided to burn the place down
[00:29] <jamga> at least there some fire while here looks like is stone coold
[00:31] <jamga> guess all the cool kids moved on
[00:31] <jamga> to make their owne chat apps
[00:32] <jamga> with pics
[00:32] <sarnold> pikachu.jpg
[00:33] <jamga> is that a joke?
[00:33] <sarnold> yes
[00:33] <jamga> i guess you are one of the cool kids
[00:34] <jamga> more like the roten egg
[00:35] <jamga> what was that cool app that you are supposed to go around with phone looking for pikachus?
[00:37] <jamga> this channel sure is full of nick names
[01:07] <leftyfb> jamga: did you have an ubuntu support question? This is an ubuntu support channel run by volunteers from the community. If you're just looking for random chat, feel free to go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:36] <jamga> LOL
[02:18] <spinull> wtf is net-tools not installed by default anymore
[02:18] <spinull> nobody wants to use the ip command
[02:25] <tomreyn> spinull: "ip" is part of iproute2 - which i do think is installed by default in all configurations
[02:25] <spinull> not what i asked
[02:26] <tomreyn> you did not actually ask a question anyways ;)
[02:26] <spinull> literally 4 lines up
[02:26] <spinull> (09:18:31 PM) spinull: wtf is net-tools not installed by default anymore
[02:29] <Bashing-om> spinull: The modern replacement for net-tools is iproute2 <- https://www.tecmint.com/deprecated-linux-networking-commands-and-their-replacements/ .
[02:33] <spinull> why did they need replacing, everyone knows them and they work well
[02:34] <sarnold> they didn't work well, there were loads of networking features that couldn't be reached via those tools
[02:34] <leftyfb> spinull: why did they replace steam powered locomotives? Everyone knew them and they worked well
[02:34] <sarnold> that's why they were replaced twenty years ago with iproute2 tools
[02:35] <spinull> like what/
[02:36] <tomreyn> https://lwn.net/Articles/710533/
[02:36] <spinull> also, if this is going to be what we have to use now, at least clean up the output, this is ugly af an not easily parsed
[02:36] <sarnold> spinull: try ip -c a   etc, that may be easier
[02:37] <spinull> thats pretty
[02:37] <spinull> ty
[02:37] <sarnold> the format's not going to be changed, specifically because loads of people parse these things :)
[04:02] <ash_worksi> "the password you use to log in to your computer no longer matches that of your keyring" --- how would that happen?
[04:02] <ash_worksi> and is there a way to change that?
[04:03] <ash_worksi> I guess I have to create a new keyring?
[04:03] <ash_worksi> I mean, I have no idea why it would have diverted (at some point) from the login password
[04:03] <ash_worksi> so, if I have no idea, then I simply cannot use that keyring and have to delete it, right?
[04:10] <Bashing-om> AshLeece[m]: Maybe - when all else fails: ' sudo apt --reinstall install ubuntu-keyring ' .
[04:52] <madduck> If you think you know networking, here is a challenge: https://scratch.madduck.net/2021-08-27-165203-vit-86Dig6.txt — I will be back online in about an hour ;)
 "Ash Leece: Maybe - when all else..." <- Think you got the wrong Ash 😉
[05:37] <tomreyn> madduck: see the laptops' interface statistics. ip -s link
[05:37] <blackthunder> ih
[05:37] <blackthunder> hi**
[05:37] <blackthunder> i have a problem, anyone can help?
[05:38] <tomreyn> !ask blackthunder: hi!
[05:38] <tomreyn> !ask | blackthunder: hi!
[05:39] <madduck> tomreyn: a good 10% of packets dropped on RX for the iface!
[05:40] <madduck> same for wlan
[05:40] <tomreyn> that's less than i assumed, but more than it should be
[05:40] <blackthunder> ok, so here's my problem, i installed brave web browser on ubuntu ofc,the browser is opening, but it's icon is not loading. any solutions
[05:41] <tomreyn> madduck: maybe the routers' ethernet port is just bad? did you try a different one?
[05:42] <madduck> oh!
[05:43] <madduck> you know, I've been ruling that out because it's the same for wifi and cable, but I remember now that the wifi access point is actually separate from the fritzbox
[05:44] <tomreyn> blackthunder: since this browser isn't part of ubuntu, so i'm not sure we can help with unexpected behaviour it exposes. try thier support channel, or a web search.
[05:45] <madduck> except the other devices in the network don't seem to have any problem, so the LAN port may not be the issue. But maybe the cable is…
[05:47] <tomreyn> madduck: it's indeed surprising that the laptop would have 10% RX dropped on both ethernet and wireless chipsets. i'm wondering whether this could be explained by issues with context switching, mainbard / CPU problems
[05:49] <madduck> tomreyn: I thought about this too, but IPv6 works just fine.
[05:49] <tomreyn> did you inspect dmesg / journalctl -b -p4  though?
[05:50] <tomreyn> ipv6 working fine does seem to rule this out, yes, but maybe not 100%
[05:52] <tomreyn> i'm just as clueless as you, if not more, thouigh. ;)
[05:53] <tomreyn> maybe #networking folks have another perspective on this
[06:20] <manmohangill> Hello
[06:20] <manmohangill> how do I download this and run it as a startup for my ubuntu distro : https://github.com/hexvalid/Linux-CapsLock-Delay-Fixer
[06:20] <manmohangill> thank you
[06:36] <manmohangill> manmohangill@ubunturoxs:~$ xkbcomp -xkb $DISPLAY xkbmap
[06:36] <manmohangill> Warning:          Could not load keyboard geometry for :0
[06:36] <manmohangill>                   BadName (named color or font does not exist)
[06:36] <manmohangill>                   Resulting keymap file will not describe geometry
[06:36] <manmohangill> what is this?
[06:45] <manmohangill> anyone around?
[06:50] <alkisg> manmohangill: when you manually run that bash script, your problem gets fixed?
[06:50] <manmohangill> nope
[06:50] <manmohangill> I get that above error message
[06:50] <alkisg> Then there's no point in trying to put it in startup
[06:51] <manmohangill> but why is there an delay with the keyboard it isnt like this in Windows
[06:51] <alkisg> I.e. start over and state your problem and ask if someone knows of a solution, as that bash script is not a solution
[06:51] <manmohangill> my cap lock has an delay
[06:51] <alkisg> kKkKkKkKk => this is me using caps
[06:51] <alkisg> I see no delay
[06:52] <alkisg> What's the output of `setxkbmap -query` for you?
[06:53] <manmohangill> try press caps lock button and with k as fast as you can normal behaviour in windows would be KkKkKkKkKk but in ubuntu it is KKKKkkkkKK
[06:54] <manmohangill> rules:      evdev
[06:54] <manmohangill> model:      pc105
[06:54] <manmohangill> layout:     us
[07:00] <manmohangill> alkisg, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1338237/fix-caps-lock-delay-in-ubuntu-21-04
[07:00] <manmohangill> this is the issue
[07:01] <manmohangill> I'm not going to start using shift haha I would rather use Windows.
[07:06] <alkisg> manmohangill: type ctrl+alt+f2 to switch to vt2, and try it there. Does it also happen there?
[07:07] <manmohangill> nothing happens
[07:21] <alkisg> manmohangill: do you mean you can't switch to another console?
[07:22] <alkisg> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_console => ctrl+alt+f1 or 2 etc up to 8
[07:22] <alkisg> That will get you outside of xorg, so that we see if the problem is in the kernel or in xorg
[07:33] <lavaball> upgradign to 20.04 disabled wake on lan.
[07:34] <lavaball> also command-not-found crashes every time now.
[07:35] <alkisg> Regarding WoL, hat's the output of `sudo ethtool enp2s0` or however your interface is called?
[07:41] <manmohangill> alkisg, the issue lies with xorg server
[07:41] <manmohangill> it is a known issue for 10 over years
[07:42] <alkisg> manmohangill: in the URL that you linked, it says: Clearly, they changed something between 20.10 and 21.04 that's affecting this.
[07:42] <alkisg> So it was working for him in 20.10
[07:43] <alkisg> Did you find a bug report in xorg for this issue? If not, it would make sense to file one
[07:43] <alkisg> And, if it was working in the past, it would make sense to see when it stopped working
[07:52] <madduck> tomreyn: we plugged it in elsewhere and there is no issue. So it's either a defective cable or switch. What a ride. Thanks for thinking along.
[07:54] <madduck> Debugging network problems from Wellington, New Zealand, via a OpenVPN link over IPv6 from my mum's laptop in Munich Germany is just fun. I have no other machine I can connect to in that network. Fun times.
[07:54] <madduck> I do have to say that networking has come a *long* way in the last 30 years. ;)
[07:55] <madduck> And who would have thought that IPv6 was going to be the solid basis for debugging flakey IPv4 connectivity ;)
[08:08] <alkisg> In case manmohangill comes back, I wonder why he pointed to that non-informative askubuntu question, when himself had pinpointed the exact upstream xorg isssue, proposed patch, and workaround: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/312#note_826491
[08:11] <hyphen01> salutations
[08:27] <lavaball> alkisg, oh, thanks for trying to help. i fixed it all my own self. no problem. i was just annoyed that i had to. oh, and i had 18.04 running on that box before i updated.
[08:28] <lavaball> well, except for the command-not-found thing. but wol i just had to enable again.
[08:35] <flunk> moin
[08:37] <flunk> Does Canonical have a way to centrally enforce policies on Ubuntu workstations for compliance reasons?
[08:37] <flunk> think full disk crypto, passwords etc
[08:44] <flunk> noone?
[08:44] <hyphen01> ?
[08:45] <flunk> 10:37 < flunk> Does Canonical have a way to centrally enforce policies on Ubuntu workstations for compliance reasons?
[08:45] <ogra> flunk, you could perhaps combine https://maas.io/ (for secure-boot installs and disk encryption) with https://landscape.canonical.com/
[08:45] <ogra> but thats likely offtopic in a community support channel 🙂
[08:46] <flunk> is there some other channel?
[08:46] <flunk> that would be better suited
[08:46] <flunk> or someone I can call?
[08:47] <ogra> see the pages ... i think on the maas page there pops up a chat window afetr a while ... there are actual sales people on the other end
[08:47] <ogra> othewise, there are contact links at the bottom of both of them
[08:47] <flunk> ok thx
[08:48] <xb_> is there a way to have a scrolling 'ticker' on the desktop?
[08:50] <tomreyn> madduck: haha, looks like we should keep dual-stack forever then.
[08:51] <madduck> lol
[08:51] <madduck> NOOOO
[08:53] <tomreyn> :)
[08:53] <tomreyn> i'm glad you were able to get a grip on this issue, i would probably just have given up somewhere on that road.
[08:58] <manmohangill> alkisg, can you help me
[08:59] <manmohangill> the issue is known for 10 over years but no one fixed it at all
[08:59] <manmohangill> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1462333&page=3&p=12328951#post12328951
[08:59] <alkisg> manmohangill: see your own remarks there:  https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/312#note_826491
[09:00] <alkisg> These are in the correct upstream bug report, where there's a patch and a link to the archlinux wiki for a workaround
[09:00] <alkisg> Btw, you're using xorg, not wayland yet, right?
[09:00] <alkisg> For example, if you're using ubuntu, and are planning to switch to wayland, maybe you should first check if wayland is affected or not
[09:02] <manmohangill> I'm on nvidia
[09:02] <manmohangill> that workaround does not work in 21.04
[09:03] <manmohangill> alkisg, this error appears
[09:03] <manmohangill> manmohangill@ubunturoxs:~$ xkbcomp -xkb $DISPLAY /home/username/myxkbmap
[09:03] <manmohangill> Warning:          Could not load keyboard geometry for :0
[09:03] <manmohangill>                   BadName (named color or font does not exist)
[09:03] <manmohangill>                   Resulting keymap file will not describe geometry
[09:03] <manmohangill> Error:            Cannot open "/home/username/myxkbmap" to write keyboard description
[09:03] <manmohangill>                   Exiting
[09:03] <alkisg> What's the output of `xrandr` ?
[09:04] <manmohangill> xrandr ?
[09:04] <alkisg> Yes, it will tell us if you can properly access xorg and if you're on wayland or xorg
[09:04] <alkisg> Put the result to pastebin
[09:05] <manmohangill> where do I paste it ?
[09:05] <alkisg> !paste
[09:05] <manmohangill> https://pastebin.com/0XEUqNNU
[09:05] <alkisg> See the XWAYLAND0 line
[09:05] <alkisg> This means you're on wayland, and that's why it doesn't work
[09:05] <manmohangill> dude
[09:06] <manmohangill> the issue has been around since xorg era
[09:06] <alkisg> Yes, but wayland doesn't use xorg
[09:06] <manmohangill> what has wayland got to do with this
[09:06] <manmohangill> okay so the issue isnt fixed in wayland either
[09:06] <alkisg> It needs a different bug report and a different workaround
[09:06] <manmohangill> no one will fixed it
[09:06] <alkisg> Right, if what you're reporting is accurate, the bug also affects wayland in a different code base
[09:07] <alkisg> In any case, that's what you need to do. People stopped working on xorg, but they still work on wayland
[09:07] <alkisg> So there's a good chance it'll be fixed there
[09:07] <alkisg> Or, they may at least give you a workaround
[09:07] <manmohangill> well how do I file a bug report then?
[09:07] <alkisg> Btw, if you logout and re-login on xorg, then the old workaround will probably work
[09:08] <alkisg> !bug
[09:08] <manmohangill> well I have posted there countless of times
[09:08] <manmohangill> it wasnt fixed
[09:08] <alkisg> What's the bug link?
[09:08] <manmohangill> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/312#note_826491
[09:08] <alkisg> That's not on wayland
[09:09] <alkisg> Anyways, I do not have any more advice to offer, good luck, cheers
[09:10] <manmohangill> lol
[09:10] <alkisg> Yeah you're welcome :)
[09:11] <manmohangill> https://forum.manjaro.org/t/caps-lock-behaviour-wayland/79868/5
[09:12] <manmohangill> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues
[09:12] <manmohangill> is this the place ?
[09:13] <tomreyn> that's wayland's upstream bug tracker
[09:13] <alkisg> Yes, if it happens on wayland in various distributions, it would be a good place to report it
[09:14] <manmohangill> let me get a touch with the developers
[09:20] <manmohangill> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues/232
[09:20] <manmohangill> Filed
[09:20] <manmohangill> hope something can be done it is more then 10 years and no idea which genius would think it would be a good idea to compare with a typewriters
[09:26] <manmohangill> they closed my issue
[09:26] <manmohangill> what
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> manmohangill: if a developer closes the bug, he would have a reason for it, best not to start a bug fight
[09:29] <manmohangill> so the issue becomes like xorg and get abandon for years ?
[09:30] <oldgalileo> Is there _any_ reason for listing other architectures in an apt repository in a .list?
[09:30] <oldgalileo> e.g. `deb [arch=arm64,armhf,ppc64el,s390x]`
[09:30] <oldgalileo> if I know I'm only going to be running on arm64, there would be zero reason to list the others, right?
[09:30] <manmohangill> so who do I report this to ?
[09:31] <tomreyn> oldgalileo: correct
[09:31] <tomreyn> or let's say: i can't think of a reason either
[09:31] <manmohangill> hope someone can point to me the right direction
[09:31] <oldgalileo> tomreyn: lol had to get sanity checked. someone went in behind me and added in those other architecturres
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> manmohangill: you just have another reply on your bug
[09:31] <manmohangill> yeah I saw so what is the issue
[09:31] <oldgalileo> tomreyn: thanks! 👍
[09:31] <tomreyn> oldgalileo: you're welcome
[09:32] <manmohangill> I dont get it there should be a team that handle this
[09:32] <manmohangill> just want to get it fixed
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> manmohangill: if its indeed a gnome issue, you could browse gnome-shell bugs about it
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> or file a new bug, (if) you find the specific cause/package
[09:33] <oldgalileo> tomreyn: Huh. What effect does declaring the architecture actually have on apt?
[09:34] <oldgalileo> tomreyn: While cleaning that up I noticed we had left another repository as amd64 instead of arm64, but have never run into issue
[09:34] <oldgalileo> issues
[09:34] <shailangsa> does anyknow when https://pastebin.com/2WhTZv5g returns an error with "/home/admin1/treble_experimentations/apply-patches.sh: line 11: pushd: patches: No such file or directory" is the non existen directory /patches/, /build/ or /build/make/?
[09:34] <manmohangill> lotuspsychje, it was a xorgserver issue
[09:35] <manmohangill> if you guys aint using xorgserver so what else is causing this issue
[09:35] <tomreyn> oldgalileo: it can make sense on multi-architecture systems, such as amd64+i686
[09:36] <tomreyn> oldgalileo: there may also be scenarios where it makes sense to use this to be able to (just) download packages for other architectures.
[09:37] <manmohangill> this is exact issue
[09:37] <manmohangill> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27903
[09:37] <tomreyn> shailangsa: for help with bash, /join #bash
[09:38] <oldgalileo> tomreyn: Sure, I guess I'm confused why I didn't run into issues when I had a repository setup to only be amd64 even though I'm running on an ARM machine
[09:39] <tomreyn> oldgalileo: oh that's because apt will take the dpkg architecture into account, i guess, and won't just blindly download and try to install packages for other architectures.
[09:39] <manmohangill> :(
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> manmohangill: a 2010 bug... resolved, fixed?
[09:40] <manmohangill> it was never resloved and fixed
[09:40] <manmohangill> the issue still exist until today
[09:41] <tomreyn> oldgalileo: dpkg-architecture --list
[09:41] <manmohangill> lotuspsychje, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1462333&page=3&p=12253259#post12253259
[09:44] <oldgalileo> tomreyn: Yeah, makes sense that it wouldn't blindly try. Surprised it didn't throw warnings though.
[09:45] <tomreyn> oldgalileo: setting it in sources.list basically just means "hey apt, this is available for this architecture, and this other architecture, too, in case you'll ever need it".
[09:46] <tomreyn> oldgalileo: oh you're saying you had "amd64" set on a system that is actually an "arm64" system? and you think ti was still used to find arm64 packages? this seems unlikely to me.
[09:47] <tomreyn> more likely this repository was just not taken into account then, because it does not match the host architecture.
[09:47] <manmohangill> left a note to wayland developers
[09:47] <manmohangill> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues/232#note_1043720
[09:49] <moha> hi
[09:49] <tomreyn> hello there, moha
[09:50] <oldgalileo> tomreyn: I know for a fact that it did because I'm provisioning a new rootfs from the ground up and accidentally slipped up for all of the main, update, and backport repos for ubuntu bionic and had them as amd64 instead of arm
[09:50] <oldgalileo> With no issues.
[09:50] <oldgalileo> Very weird.
[09:51] <oldgalileo> There aren't any other apt sources, either. 🤷
[09:52] <moha> I had an ssd (windows was installed there) and an HDD (Drive D); Last night I installed Ubuntu instead of Windows10 on SSD (LVM); Now, as much as I try to mount the sda2 (previousely drive D), I failed. before installing ubuntu, I didn't change fast boot or somethig like that in windows. I tried all solution on askubuntu, help.ubuntu.com and blog posts, but all failed
[09:52] <moha> The drive mounts READ only
[09:53] <moha> I even can not `chmode -R 777` on the partition!
[09:53] <tomreyn> oldgalileo: hmm, not sure then. maybe i misunderstood the concept of indicating architectures in apt sources. you could read up on the bit of documentation about it that's in sources.list(5), or review the apt source code on how it handles this, or ask in a debian channel, too.
[09:53] <moha> chmod: changing permissions of '/data/ToDo/friday.xlsx': Read-only file system
[09:55] <tomreyn> moha: which filesystem is on sda2?
[09:56] <moha> it's ntfs. a 1-TB partition.
[09:57] <tomreyn> NTFS support on Ubuntu isn't feature complete. If the current NTFS drivers detect that an NTFS file system is marked as 'dirty' (needs a file system check / repairing) it will mount it read-only.
[09:58] <tomreyn> there is ntfsfix, but it is not complete, and the developers recommend you use checkdsk on windows instead.
[09:58] <tomreyn> what you can do is transfer the data to a different file system which is fully supported.
[10:00] <moha> more details: https://p.teknik.io/wnB8T
[10:01] <moha> :'(
[10:01] <tomreyn> don't be sad. if you have more questions, just ask.
[10:02] <moha> what I want is to just write there; Seems there's no solution except moving data and formating to ext4
[10:02] <moha> thanx
[10:03] <tomreyn> there are other options, but they will risk data loss. if loosing data is a risk that's easy for you to take, you can try your luck with ntfsfix, for example.
[10:52] <erle-> Where does Ubuntu put its EFI files?
[10:52] <erle-> https://paste.debian.net/1209256/
[10:55] <rbasak> erle-: /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/ here
[10:57] <erle-> rbasak, but it did not here obviously
[10:57] <erle-> how did it do it in the past?
[10:57] <rbasak> I don't know, sorry
[10:57] <erle-> or where does /boot/efi/EFI/BOOT belong to?
[10:57] <erle-> my goal is to delete files that no one owns
[11:17] <summonner> they belong to the computer itself
[11:23] <coreyfarrell> I'm dealing with a build process that does not yet support ubuntu >18.04 but I also need lcov 1.14.  is there any way to install this version of lcov into a docker container based on ubuntu:18.04?
[11:30] <summonner> coreyfarrell, are you asking how to put an application into a docker?
[11:32] <coreyfarrell> `apt install lcov` from ubuntu 18.04 installs lcov 1.13 but I need 1.14.  asking if there is a way to get apt to find the updated version of that one package.
[11:33] <summonner> the github page for the app has instructions on doing what you want
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> coreyfarrell: try !backports !pinning or proposed?
[11:47] <coreyfarrell> looks like lcov isn't backported.  I will work on getting it installed without using apt.  thanks for the info.
[11:47] <FKAShinobi> Is there a command I can issue to reprobe for monitors. After the system goes to the lock screen it reverts back to mirrored mode.
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> FKAShinobi: xrandr --auto try
[11:50] <FKAShinobi> lotuspsychje: Thanks! I'll give it a try
[12:06] <manmohangill> hi guys
[12:06] <manmohangill> If you're using X11 clients via Xwayland, maybe the bug is in Xorg still, and not in any of the Wayland components.
[12:06] <manmohangill> is there anyway to get off X11 Clients ?
[12:06] <manmohangill> or check if Ubuntu 21.04 is using them
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:29] <alkisg> coreyfarrell: you may try to download and install the .deb from there: https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/lcov; note that since the version was bumped manually, you might miss security updates
[12:32] <rbasak> It's not "might". You *will* miss all security updates to that package.
[12:32] <alkisg> No, there 's a chance that the new version will have a higher number :)
[12:33] <alkisg> And there's a chance that there won't be any security updates too
[12:35] <alkisg> And there's a chance that the user will keep an eye on updates via other means, and won't miss them (the same e.g. as if he had installed lcov manually without .deb)
[12:36] <rbasak> There's virtually no chance that the new version will have a higher number.
[12:37] <rbasak> I'm just saying that "you might miss security updates" isn't sufficient to make your recommendation acceptable. On its own, it's bad advice.
[12:38] <alkisg> I still think it's always better than "no solution", or "install a local lcov without using a .deb"; that too, won't receive security updates
[12:42] <rbasak> Fine, but it should always come with a warning that security updates *stop*.
[12:42] <rbasak> Saying "might" is excessively optimistic and dangerous.
[12:45] <alkisg> rbasak: It's a 18.04 universe package; it stopped receiving security updates anyway... but OK as you wish. I can't say "stop" as it's a lie, so I'll just not mention that option at all instead...
[12:47] <rbasak> alkisg: "it stopped receiving security updates anyway" -> that's not strictly true. Anyone can contribute a security update to any package in Ubuntu, including a package in universe.
[12:47] <ioria> not sure a bionic pkg will install on focal (an upper libc); maybe the contrary might work
[12:48] <alkisg> ioria: He's looking for the opposite, focal pkg on bionic
[12:48] <ioria> i mean : not sure a focal  pkg will install on bionic (an upper libc); maybe the contrary might work
[12:48] <ioria> :þ
[12:48] <rbasak> "it's a lie" -> it's really not. Of course _everything_ receives a "security update" *if you provide one yourself*. That's a given, and doesn't need to be explained. When we say "doesn't receive security updates" we unambigiously mean "won't receive security updates *from the distribution*.
[12:51] <alkisg> rbasak: your previous sentences contradict the last one. A couple of days ago you said "there are no guarantees in version numbers", i.e. it's possible that a security patch may bump the version number. In the previous sentence you said "anyone can contribute a security update". And in the last one "no security  updates will come"
[12:52] <alkisg> I have the utmost respect to the debian policy and the repo guidelines, but I can't tell lies. But sure, I'll just stop mentioning that alternative and leave the users to manually compile things instead of using .debs
[12:53] <Guest22> Can someone help me repairing Grub2 for an UEFI system? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6XrX7FcJkH/
[12:54] <Guest22> Boot-Repair caused the computer to boot into a grub2 (not rescue) prompt
[12:54] <rbasak> Anyone can contribute a security update to lcov in Bionic. But a correct security update to lcov in Bionic will not be received by a user who has hacked in Focal's version. Yes, it's possible that lcov will receive a major version bump because a security update requires it, and then the update will arrive to such a hacked system, but that's vanishingly unlikely.
[12:55] <rbasak> If you want to explain that in full, then feel free.
[12:55] <alkisg> In my understanding of human languages, that's a "might", not a "won't".
[12:55] <rbasak> No, that's based on your understanding of logic, not human language.
[12:55] <alkisg> If there was a wiki page about it, or a factoid, I'd happily link to it, but I don't want to spend the time to write one
[12:56] <rbasak> I'm not about to find myself wherever you are to argue this with you in person. However, according to our current understanding of physics there is a miniscule but finite and non-zero probability that it will happen. But in human language, it's an absolute that it won't happen.
[14:15] <black> can you run two apt processes at once in ubuntu terminal? of you can then how and if you cannot then why?
[14:18] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I once used an app that shows time for several world regions / time zones. Whats the app called?
[14:18] <gneeriiloeepdeer> discontinued after upgrade to 21.04?
[14:18] <jabberwock> I think that's in Clocks
[14:19] <leftyfb> gneeriiloeepdeer: look in gnome extensions
[14:19] <leftyfb> gneeriiloeepdeer: https://extensions.gnome.org/
[14:26] <jabberwock> d'oh. I guess these extensions won't work in gnome 40
[14:26] <jabberwock> why'd I do that...
[14:28] <gneeriiloeepdeer> leftyfb, if I use xubuntu, should I even try gnome apps?
[14:28] <jabberwock> I take it you don't use multiple displays
[14:29] <jabberwock> because XFCE hates them more than eGPUs
[14:30] <gneeriiloeepdeer> gotch
[14:31] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: if you use xubuntu and have questions about xfce applications, then the best place to ask may be #xubuntu
[14:33] <ioria> !info gnome-clocks hirsute
[14:37] <hoppity> Does any one know what license multipass is under?
[14:39] <ravage> https://github.com/canonical/multipass/blob/main/src/client/gui/client_gui.cpp
[14:39] <ravage> "terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
[14:39] <ravage>  * the Free Software Foundation; version 3"
[14:39] <hoppity> ravage: isn't that only for the gui?
[14:40] <ravage> feel free to check every single source file
[14:40] <hoppity> I simply wonder why the license is not in the main github repo page
[14:41] <hoppity> I've ran into these projects where they hide the license deep in the source and you find out months later that the whole thing is a whole different license altogether
[14:42] <ravage> https://github.com/canonical/multipass/blob/main/3rd-party/premock/LICENSE.txt
[14:42] <ravage> but yes. a note in the readme or a global license file would be nice
[14:42] <ravage> no idea why there isnt one
[14:43] <hoppity> ravage: Thank you, I just found the license it is in the main page under the name COPYING.GPL.txt lol
[14:43] <ravage> ah right. just found it too
[14:43] <hoppity> :)
[15:23] <cbreak> hmm... "Aug 27 17:20:56 twilight gnome-shell[16540]: Window manager warning: Overwriting existing binding of keysym 34 with keysym 34 (keycode d)."
[15:25] <PizzaBurger> !offtopic
[15:26] <PizzaBurger> !guidelines
[15:45] <cbreak> wonder which part of ubuntu spams that all the time. journalctl --since "1 hour ago" | grep "Overwriting existing" | wc -l gives me 381
[15:45] <rob> Can anyone give any tips for diagnosing recurrent freezes? /var/crash is empty. Typically these freezes seem to be associated with pasting something into terminal.
[15:46] <iLinux-OS-User> What are you pasting?
[15:46] <rob> Any old thing will do it. Short strings of text etc.
[15:47] <iLinux-OS-User> We can't give you a solution if we don't have the code!
[15:48] <tomreyn> rob: run    journalctl -f   in a terminal, then reproduce it, and see what is logged (if anything)
[15:48] <rob> There isn't any code. It's just arbitrary text.
[15:48] <iLinux-OS-User> Except this, all else works fine?
[15:49] <TJ-> rob: one possibilty is one of those terminals that intercepts pastes and is supposed to display a dialog box and ask for your OK to actually paste. Maybe that is configured but the dialog isn't appearing, or is hidden, or similar?
[15:49] <TJ-> oops, rob pasted himself out!
[15:50] <tomreyn> and tell us about your ubuntu version, desktop, terminal, graphics driver, available memory (free -m)
[15:50] <rob> iLinux-OS-User I just got hit with another freeze when I pasted your suggestion!
[15:51] <TJ-> rob: one possibilty is one of those terminals that intercepts pastes and is supposed to display a dialog box and ask for your OK to actually paste. Maybe that is configured but the dialog isn't appearing, or is hidden, or similar?
[15:51] <TJ-> rob: which Ubuntu flavour (desktop environment), which release (e.g. 20.04), which terminal emulator?
[15:51] <rob> Interesting thought. Not sure what would have brought that on all of a sudden though. No obvious config change.
[15:52] <rob> iLinux-OS-User: would you mind repeating your suggestion? I lost those lines with the last freeze.
[15:53] <tomreyn> rob: i don't think they made a suggestion. i made this: <tomreyn> rob: run    journalctl -f   in a terminal, then reproduce it, and see what is logged (if anything)
[15:54] <rob> Ah ha. Yes, that was it. Thanks
[15:55] <iLinux-OS-User> Except this, all else works fine?
[15:55] <rob> Yes as far as I can see
[15:56] <rob> Just trying to reproduce it with journalctl then will come back with more details if I successfully get a freeze.
[15:57] <rob> Ah ha well it's certainly not consistent. Pasting into terminal is fine currently.
[15:57] <ioria> rob you should check (or paste, if you want) /var/log/syslog
[15:59] <rob> Yeah, I've had a skim through that already and couldn't see anything obvious on first look. Will look again.
[15:59] <merpnderp> What's the best music service for linux users? Spotify's web player work fine?
[16:00] <iLinux-OS-User> If there is no other problem, it's Terminal/Command Line related. Focus there. Try another Terminal App.
[16:01] <rob> OK, managed to get another freeze by pasting the path to syslog
[16:06] <iLinux-OS-User> Have you tried another Terminal App?
[16:06] <rob> Here's the syslog: https://termbin.com/ob4u
[16:06] <umoga> whats up with long irc names
[16:07] <rob> Not yet; using the default terminal at present. I *am* using zsh, which is obviously a bit less stable than bash...
[16:08] <jabberwock> less stable?
[16:09] <rob> Well, maybe not itself, but a typical installation has a bunch of plugins maintained by third parties with all that comes with that.
[16:11] <jabberwock> fair
[16:12] <rob> So, anyway, some system details: 20.04.03 desktop
[16:12] <rob> free -m: https://termbin.com/d6es
[16:14] <rob> lshw: https://termbin.com/n6yh
[16:17] <rob> desktop: GNOME 3.36.8
[16:18] <TJ-> rob: I don't use Gnome but I know Canonical stuff some of the core Gnome files into snaps so I'm wondering if there is some bad interaction there
[16:20] <rob> Sounds like a potentially risky strategy. Any idea how to look into this further?
[16:21] <rob> The more I think about it the more suspicious of zsh plugins I'm getting. Going to try disabling them all.
[16:22] <kilzool> I have Mozilla Thunderbird for email.. and use it for email only.  When I right click, I have to keep the right click down, and slide the mouse to the entry.. It doesn't work like other apps, inwhich right click opens the menu and keeps it open until you click.
[16:23] <BinarySavior> cheer100 pearl you keep your sword in the same slot i do!
[16:24] <BinarySavior> lol!
[16:24] <BinarySavior> wrong chat
[16:24] <BinarySavior> so sorry
[16:24] <rob> Haha. I thought that was cryptic.
[16:25] <tomreyn> kilzool: that's not how it normally is, or should be.
[16:26] <tomreyn> kilzool: which ubuntu release is this? which desktop?
[16:28] <kilzool> 20.04 lts
[16:30] <kilzool> well if you use FILE to open document folder and right click it doesn't close the window when you release the right mouse,  Thunderbird does.
[16:31] <tomreyn> kilzool: yours does, but i'm saying that's not what it normally does.
[16:31] <TJ-> kilzool: I cannot reproduce that; which Thunderbird version are you using?
[16:32] <kilzool> I am trying the other one listed in apps.. hold on
[16:33] <kilzool> All fixed.
[16:34] <kilzool> There are apparently two thunderbirds in the app list (gnome) -- so removing one and adding the other fixed the problem.
[16:34] <tomreyn> maybe that was a snap
[16:41] <kilzool> prolly ty tomreyn
[16:41] <tomreyn> kilzool: i didn't do a lot ;)
[16:42] <kilzool> hehe
[16:45] <rob> To those helping me with the freezes problem -- no freezes for a while now after disabling zsh plugins. Looks like that was the culprit.
[16:48] <jabberwock> I'm curious to know which plugin was the culprot
[16:48] <jabberwock> culprit
[16:55] <rob> Yeah me too. May look into it in more detail later when I have more time. Got to go do childcare now. Thanks!
[17:59] <PizzaBurger> Can we use any other pasting services due to Ubuntu pastebin requiring account login?
[18:00] <ikonia> you can use others sure
[18:00] <ikonia> try not to use ones with loads of adverts/trackers etc
[18:01] <ikonia> you'll find an ubuntu account could be useful for most people using ubuntu though, so maybe worth getting an account
[18:02] <PizzaBurger> ikonia: Okay, thanks! Could you maybe share some of that usefuleness? I know Livepatch requires an account but not really sure what it does to be honest.
[18:04] <ikonia> PizzaBurger: it's an SSO account, so it can be used for things like the forum, launchpad etc
[18:05] <TJ-> PizzaBurger: you only need a login to view pastes from anonymous sources; you should be able to view pastes from logged-in users
[18:07] <mx> nabend
[18:11] <PizzaBurger> ikonia: Thanks, will check those cout! TJ-: appreciate the response, but it seems that you also need an account to create a paste.
[18:13] <TJ-> PizzaBurger:  that may be a bug then
[18:13] <TJ-> 15:18 <cjwatson> Unit193: AIUI the rule is now that you have to log in to view pastes that were created by a non-logged-in user.  It's an unfortunately necessary mitigation - we were apparently seeing increasing numbers of takedown notices for illegal material of various kinds.
[18:13] <TJ-> 15:19 <cjwatson> Unit193: (The initial plan was to disallow anonymous posting entirely, which I pointed out would be a bit of a problem for pastebinit)
[18:15] <PizzaBurger> TJ-: Says "Please log in to create a paste." right there on the main page.
[18:18] <TJ-> PizzaBurger: works for me https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nMVJqw53Ty/
[18:21] <hggdh> well, so now it requires a login to even get there.
[18:23] <TJ-> pastebinit can paste anonymous but it prevents web-site users doing that
[18:30] <PizzaBurger> TJ- :
[18:30] <PizzaBurger> Paste from root 27 August 2021 18:18 +0000
[18:30] <PizzaBurger> You need to be logged in to view this paste.
[18:30] <PizzaBurger> And the section below:
[18:30] <PizzaBurger> "Please log in to create a paste."
[18:32] <TJ-> PizzaBurger: that's expected since it was an anonymous paste (from within a container)
[18:32] <TJ-> PizzaBurger: how about this one? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Bp6sqtdPVN/
[18:33] <PizzaBurger> TJ-: "Testing from log-in"
[18:33] <TJ-> PizzaBurger: right, you can see it since I was logged in
[18:33] <TJ-> so it is traceable
[18:34] <PizzaBurger> How did you make previous paste without an account?
[18:34] <PizzaBurger> + you still can't view the raw paste without an account
[18:36] <sarnold> probably echo hello | pastebinit
[18:42] <TJ-> ^^^^
[18:42] <TJ-> PizzaBurger: viewing raw has always required a log-in
[18:52] <PizzaBurger> Gotcha, TJ- thanks for the detailed clarification! Will check out that Ubuntu One account and see what benefits it gives.
[18:54] <Guest4750> hello, i search  for better OS, galaxy book go, with snapdragon 7c arm64, only ubuntu server 20.04 boot from usb stick, see  install,  press enter restart
[18:57] <paul424> Is this cahnnel for LTS as well ?
[18:58] <sarnold> yeah
[18:58] <sarnold> most of the folks in here are on newer releases, and may not remember the five-year-old stuff so well, but it's still fine
[18:59] <chibill[m]> Hi, I am having some issues with PulseAudio on my system, it seems as if PulseAudio is totally broken in some form.
[19:01] <Guest4750> what for a version you use?
[19:02] <chibill[m]> The output from uname -a says the following, Linux hambook 5.11.0-25-generic #27~20.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 13 17:41:23 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:02] <chibill[m]> Thats how I normally get the version btw
[19:06] <Guest4750> https://itsfoss.com/fix-sound-ubuntu-1304-quick-tip/
[19:09] <chibill[m]> Not the issue, literally PulseAudio is not running because it errors on start.
[19:09] <sarnold> ah nice what's the error?
[19:10] <ice9> in xorg, gnome settings show 120 hz for the display but in wayland it's just 60 hz, any idea?
[19:10] <TJ-> chibill[m]: check the log " journalctl --user -u pulseaudio "
[19:11] <TJ-> ice9: Wayland compositor is twice as slow?
[19:11] <ice9> TJ-, it's now slow it's running fine but i mean the reported refresh rate
[19:12] <TJ-> ice9: I was attempting to crack a joke :)
[19:12] <ice9> ah :D
[19:13] <TJ-> ice9: I've not touched Wayland compositors so not sure what the equivalent tool to 'xrandr' would be to check on what the displays report over EDID
[19:18] <chibill[m]> https://pastebin.com/xBvRgCTr is one of the log entries. Not much in journalctl for pulseaudio. Also using pastebin because I don't have a Ubuntu One account and not sure why its needed not to use the recommend way of sharing logs.
[19:24] <i-garrison> chibill[m]: it does not look like it fails; first it is started then after 8min it exited with your desktop session, which looks normal
[19:26] <chibill[m]> Yet it can't be accessed by applications / can't see my audio devices. While ALSA can and pusleaudio was also before a reboot about a month ago.
[19:26] <sarnold> chibill[m]: the standard journalctl output to a terminal truncates the output :( note the "Possible causes inc>"
[19:27] <sarnold> chibill[m]: it's entirely possible that the actual cause is just cut off -- try journalctl -u pulseaudio.service | cat    or | nc termbin.com 9999 or similar
[19:28] <i-garrison> chibill[m]: sarnold: that error message is from bluetooth part which is probably not an issue
[19:29] <sarnold> ah
[19:29] <i-garrison> chibill[m]: please check if you can access pulseaudio daemon with 'pactl info' and pastebin the output
[19:29] <chibill[m]> I had a better error last time I tried to get help but thats gone. (Expired in paste.ubuntu.com also was before the login change) I stopped looking to a sollution after talking here over an hour and finding out that using ALSA with out pulseaudio involved still worked. Just had to find the correct device name.
[19:30] <chibill[m]> kd9kck@hambook:~$ pactl info
[19:30] <chibill[m]> Connection failure: Connection refused
[19:30] <chibill[m]> pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused
[19:31] <i-garrison> chibill[m]: do you run that from desktop environment?
[19:31] <chibill[m]> Yes, I am currently logged in on a desktop.
[19:33] <i-garrison> chibill[m]: please run pa-info and either pastebin the output if you do not mind, or just first pulseaudio_ps_do section from that
[19:36] <chibill[m]> https://pastebin.com/f3ThWHU8
[19:38] <i-garrison> chibill[m]: there is an instance running since Aug 14th, is that expected? if not, try killing it with 'pulseaudio -k' or 'kill -9 831'
[19:39] <chibill[m]> That was the last reboot so I would assume it should still be running. Unless it isn't supposed to be running the sound server all the time.
[19:40] <TJ-> chibill[m]: looks to me like you've got a RDP service grabbed it
[19:41] <i-garrison> even if "grabbed" pulseaudio server should still be responding to pactl info
[19:41] <chibill[m]> I use Chrome Remote Desktop to get into my netbook remotely. (I use it for my hamradio shack.)  Just to be noted it was already and used before PulseAudio decided to just kick the bucket.
[19:42] <TJ-> i-garrison: not if it's blocking in kernel. chibill[m]  show us "ps -efly | grep pulse | nc termbin.com 9999 "
[19:43] <chibill[m]> btw just killed that copy of pulseaudio that was running. Starting to wonder if maybe chrome remote starts its own which keeps the systems one from starting.
[19:43] <chibill[m]> https://termbin.com/dwqe
[19:43] <chibill[m]> Seems it restarted it self after I killed it.
[19:44] <i-garrison> chibill[m]: yes it is getting restarted automatically; do you have 'pactl info' running successfully now?
[19:44] <chibill[m]> nope, still no connection. I think its because that instance is told not to be a daemon in its command.
[19:45] <i-garrison> chibill[m]: no, that's ok - that is how systemd is managing it
[19:46] <chibill[m]> Thats weird and backwards compared to most shared server type things.
[19:46] <i-garrison> chibill[m]: it's per your user session so not really shared
[19:46] <i-garrison> chibill[m]: please pastebin all output of this command 'PULSE_LOG=4 pactl info'
[19:47] <chibill[m]> Thats even weirder. Would expect the audio library of a system to be shared across the whole system just like the network stack is.
[19:48] <TJ-> chibill[m]: what does "groups" report ?
[19:48] <chibill[m]> https://pastebin.com/3dxgsLM6
[19:48] <i-garrison> chibill[m]: it can be run in system-wide configuration but that is not really recommended way to use it
[19:48] <chibill[m]> kd9kck adm dialout cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin lxd sambashare
[19:49] <i-garrison> TJ-: you do not need audio group with systemd-logind
[19:49] <sarnold> I wonder if that "failed to open..." message is part of pulse refusing to start
[19:49] <musshal> how to access ssh aws in terminal ubuntu?
[19:49] <sarnold> musshal: can you rephrase your question?
[19:50] <chibill[m]> And audio works with ALSA fine and was working with PulseAudio fine for a long while. Then just like stopped working. (This was the cause of the last reinstall I did as well because no one could figure it out at the time.)
[19:52] <TJ-> chibill[m]: " find /home/kd9kck/.config/chrome-remote-desktop/pulseaudio#6aa63275cd/ -ls | nc termbin.com 9999 "
[19:52] <i-garrison> I think this is bad interaction with chrome-remote-desktop, e.g. https://askubuntu.com/questions/963756/installing-google-chrome-remote-desktop-messed-up-my-box
[19:52] <chibill[m]> https://termbin.com/12f5
[19:53] <chibill[m]> Weird thing is it was working fine with Chrome remote desktop for over 5 months
[19:53] <TJ-> there's your issue; alternate configs and a missing control socket
[19:53] <chibill[m]> Wonder if it had an update.
[19:53] <chibill[m]> And did that.
[19:54] <TJ-> chibill[m]: I wonder if chrome-remote-desktop symlinked the usualy default.pa/daemon.conf to that location
[19:55] <i-garrison> chibill[m]: maybe you did looked at c-r-d audio config and that rewrote the stuff..
[19:56] <TJ-> chibill[m]: show us " systemctl --user cat pulseaudio.service | nc termbin.com 9999 "
[19:57] <i-garrison> chibill[m]: please pastebin 'xprop -root | grep ^PULSE_'
[19:57] <chibill[m]> I will see if I can figure something out in a bit. Have to go now. (Going to be new car shopping with my parents.)
[19:58] <TJ-> I hope its horn isn't using PulseAudio !
[20:11] <bitblit> so what does a basic local-only mail setup look like on ubuntu, so you can check root email and get cron notifications. quite a few packages provide mail, mailx, sendmail. doesn't look like mail even comes with the default install..
[20:12] <hoppity> bitblit: I setup a local system yesterday, you need to install mailutils and the installer will ask you whether this is for local only, say yes and you are golden
[20:17] <bitblit> hoppity: thanks, taking a look at it.
[20:17] <hoppity> np
[20:47] <webby> How do I show the fingerprint of a deb package before installing it?
[20:50] <gneeriiloeepdeer> is it a sign that something's wrong if my computer needs 12 seconds to load a second SSD?
[20:50] <gneeriiloeepdeer> no external, but internally connected
[20:53] <Loshki> gneeriiloeepdeer: I would look at the SMART data next, if SSDs have it
[21:04] <fukua11> пиздец.
[21:07] <TJ-> gneeriiloeepdeer: check the kernel log " journalctl -k -p warning" for clues
[21:09] <gneeriiloeepdeer> TJ-, [Firmware Bug]: TSC ADJUST differs within socket(s), fixing all errors. Has the problem been solved?
[21:15] <TJ-> gneeriiloeepdeer: doesn't sound to be related to the SSD
[21:15] <TJ-> gneeriiloeepdeer: how are you determining this 12 seconds?
[21:16] <TJ-> gneeriiloeepdeer: do you mean using a GUI file-manager it takes 12 seconds to show content of a file-system on that SSD when you click on the file-system label to mount it?
[21:20] <gneeriiloeepdeer> it's an encrypted ssd, the time passed brtween writing the password and seeing the content are 12 seconds, from the gui
[21:23] <TJ-> gneeriiloeepdeer: then that is expected
[21:24] <TJ-> gneeriiloeepdeer: complexity time to unwrap the passphrase is set to prevent brute-force attachs
[21:24] <TJ-> attacks, too
[21:24] <gneeriiloeepdeer> curious, this didn't happen before upgrading to 21.04
[21:24] <gneeriiloeepdeer> afaik...
[21:41] <osoldatov> okay, anyone here?
[21:41] <yukiup> hi
[21:45] <shimbles> is there a tool like iotop, but shows a plot of disk throughput over time
[21:46] <yukiup> doubt it
[21:50] <sarnold> shimbles: maybe .. https://github.com/brendangregg/bpf-perf-tools-book/blob/master/originals/Ch09_Disks/biopattern.bt
[21:51] <sarnold> I've seen things that were much fancier than that..
[21:57] <shimbles> how about for the CLI
[21:58] <shimbles> i guess i will just use iotop's batch mode and make a plot
[22:09] <cbreak> shimbles: check out bpytop
[22:09] <cbreak> https://github.com/aristocratos/bpytop
[22:10] <shimbles> that's cool. having 1 ssh session per htop/iotop/iftop/etc is annoying, plus they all kind of suck
[22:10] <cbreak> I'm not using it for IO, but I think it can show it
[22:15] <shimbles> i added a feature request https://github.com/aristocratos/bpytop/issues/346
[22:17] <cbreak> what I use to monitor IO is "munin"
[22:18] <shimbles> If I use a gui the world's my toaster
[22:18] <cbreak> but it's not really comparable to iotop, neither in how it works nor what it shows
[22:25] <plujon> Greetings; I'm using 20.04 LTS and Wayland, and I'd like to make a screencast of a VM on my desktop.
[22:25] <plujon> I tried using recordmydesktop, but the video portion was mostly black.  I could see the mouse move, but not the virtualbox window.
[22:26] <sarnold> oh interesting
[22:26] <moha> Is it usual for a software, running by Wine, using totally more than 25% of CPU? (ref: https://u.teknik.io/jS7LV.png)
[22:26] <plujon> I don't know how to make the default screen recorder record only a single window and not my entire desktop.
[22:26] <leftyfb> plujon: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/peek-desktop-gif-screen-recorder-linux
[22:26] <leftyfb> plujon: it's meant for making gifs, but it can do mp4 as well
[22:28] <cbreak> 256 color 2 fps mp4s? :)
[22:29] <moha> plujon: try with obs-studio
[22:32] <cbreak> VLC can stream your desktop... not sure if it can store it into a file though...
[22:36] <shimbles> ffmpeg
[22:41] <plujon> Peek looks like it works okay.  I'll try recording a webm and adding sound using audacity.
[22:44] <plujon> I wonder what a good choice is for sampling rate for voice..
[22:53] <rfm> plujon, digital telephones (like ISDN) used 8K samples per second (8 bit ones, at that)
[22:53] <sarnold> and they sounded like it, right? :)
[23:02] <plujon> rfm: Thanks; audacity's default is 44.1K.  Perhaps I can lower that...
[23:23] <moha> .