[00:56] <BitsnBytes> exit
[00:56] <BitsnBytes> duh
[02:20] <black_13> how would I create or have qt5 on ubuntu 20/18 but have debug symbols
[02:27] <sarnold> black_13: they're stored on another archive, ddebs.ubuntu.com, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[02:27] <black_13> thanks
[02:28] <black_13> i like having qt where i can step into the qt source
[02:29] <sarnold> the sources are easier, you can duplicate your existing archive lines in apt and change the 'deb' to 'deb-src'
[02:29] <sarnold> (I don't know if the debug packages alone bring along the source via dwarf annotations or not, I hope they do..)
[02:29] <black_13> i dont know know
[02:29] <black_13> or know
[02:30] <black_13> or could i just get all the dependencies for qt5 and the build a hybrid?
[02:30] <black_13> install in /opt?
[02:30] <black_13>  install  qt5 /opt
[02:30] <sarnold> yeah, apt build-dep qt5 (or whatever the package name is..)
[02:31] <black_13> that gets messy
[02:31] <sarnold> though using a builder like sbuild or pbuild with packages would give your more reproducable results. dunno..
[02:31] <sarnold> yeah
[02:34] <black_13>  looking over sbuilder
[02:34] <black_13>  you can used sbuild in a chroot?
[02:43] <black_13> sarnold, had you used sbuild
[02:45] <sarnold> black_13: it's ever so slightly different, sbuild can use schroot, which manages chroots
[02:47] <black_13> i remember going down this path it was not smooth
[02:47] <black_13> i had incomplete knowledge of sbuild but not install of qt5 debug
[02:48] <black_13> sarnold, thanks i appreciate the notes
[02:49] <sarnold> black_13: heh, yeah.. there's some notes on sbuild here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild
[02:49] <sarnold> I wish there were an easier way to build packages. it feels like there really ought to be.
[02:49] <black_13> I had this car that only I could drive
[02:49] <black_13> i could baby it
[02:49] <sarnold> a lot of folks prefer pbuilder, it might be that simpler tool, but sbuild is very close to the builder used on launchpad, so it is more useful when preparing packages for launchpad
[02:50] <black_13> having debug builds of things woudl be better
[02:50] <black_13> would
[02:53] <sarnold> try the ddebs, they really should get you most of the way there
[03:53] <alfianka1> hello
[03:53] <alfianka1> hola
[03:53] <alfianka1> exit
[04:43] <tryane> why when i open an installed game, the icons on my panel gets bigger until i close that game?
[04:44] <alkisg> It's setting a lower resolution
[04:45] <tryane> is there a way to disable that?
[04:46] <tryane> it doesn't only happen when i open a game though, it happened when i open anbox before
[04:52] <alkisg> tryane: check the game settings
[04:53] <alkisg> If you set "windowed mode" or "the same resolution as the desktop", it won't change it to something else anymore
[04:53] <tryane> alkisg: i check the game setting but when i set to low or high quality it's still the same thing, icons on laptop gets bigger if it's open
[04:54] <alkisg> Not quality. Resolution. Like, 1920x1080
[04:56] <tryane> chose windowed mode
[04:56] <tryane> still the same probelm
[04:57] <tryane> is it something to do with graphics card?
[04:57] <alkisg> Run: xrandr
[04:57] <alkisg> It will show your current resolution with an asterisk, e.g.:    1920x1080     60.00*+
[04:58] <alkisg> Then run the game in windowed mode. At the same time, run xrandr again, and see if the resolution was changed
[05:00] <tryane> they're the same
[05:00] <tryane> identical
[05:01] <alkisg> Strange then. You'd need to provide more info, which game, which graphics card, which resolution, and maybe even a photo
[05:03] <tryane> runescape, 1366x768      60.00*+, AMD Radeon™ R5 M230
[05:04] <tryane> btw how to check if my card drivers are installed properly
[05:05] <alkisg> Run: ubuntu-drivers list
[05:05] <alkisg> Also please upload a photo with the game in windowed mode, with a terminal open that runs xrandr, and with the panel icons bigger
[05:05] <alkisg> !paste
[05:07] <tryane> ubuntu-drivers list shows nothing
[05:08] <alkisg> This means you're not using proprietary drivers, but open source ones. Try this: lspci -nn -k | grep -A3 VGA
[05:13] <tryane> alkisg:https://postimg.cc/8s3SMKcQ
[05:15] <alkisg> Thanks, although the terminal doesn't appear in front, to see the resolution
[05:15] <tryane> alkisg:https://privatebin.net/?c715037a31fb5915#39BBWbfuReNksd5tzSHZkvqNKHnonoRv1UpGpAh33CAJ
[05:15] <tryane> oh sorry i forgot
[05:15] <alkisg> Does the terminal get bigger too, or just the panel icons?
[05:15] <tryane> no the panel only
[05:15] <alkisg> That's an intel card, the drivers are open source, it shouldn't have any issues
[05:16] <alkisg> OK. Also try asking in #kubuntu, as it might be a problem with the kde panel
[05:17] <tryane> but i also have amd graphics card
[05:17] <tryane> ok
[05:45] <Croran> how do i find emojis in ubuntu character map?
[06:54] <Croran> emojis!
[07:54] <john_rambo> I am using Ubuntu. Not Arch. Yesterday I installed Tor by using #apt install tor ...... If you read the Arch wiki it says to run Tor inside a chroot for security purposes. Did I make a mistake by running Tor without a chroot ? Is my installation compromised ? Should I reinstall Ubuntu ? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Tor#Running_Tor_in_a_Chroot
[08:34] <certiorari> hi folks!  have a question. I have a thinkpad x250 and have a ericsson N5321 WWAN 3G card that I would like to get up and running. any tips? guides?
[09:03] <TJ-> certiorari: in theory, if the device is recognised, modem-manager and network-manager should handle it
[09:23] <jeremy31> Some WWAN cards might need usb-modeswitch to switch from storage device mode
[09:45] <certiorari> TJ-: ok, I will try and check! :) jeremy31 hmm, not sure I understand?
[09:46] <jeremy31> certiorari: some of those WWAN USB devices have Windows drivers on storage, the device could appear as a cd or USB storage device
[09:46] <certiorari> its not a USB device. it's a M2 card, internal
[09:47] <jeremy31> It likely doesn't have the storage on board then
[09:47] <certiorari> I can find win10 drivers on levonos support, but no luck for linux/debian/ubuntu
[09:47] <certiorari> what do you mean by sorage onboard?
[09:50] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> linux has drivers by default, besides gpu sometimes
[09:52] <certiorari> ok, will check and see. didnät recieve the WWAN card yet, but in a few days. searching online I found some people having issues tith the card on ubuntu
[09:52] <jeremy31> certiorari: some USB devices contain storage on the chip that have Windows drivers.  I have a smart phone and a USB wifi card that were this way
[09:52] <certiorari> aah, ok now I see :)
[09:54] <certiorari> another thing, looking for a trackpad gesture app. preferrably with GUI. any good ones out there?
[09:55] <certiorari> for ex, so that I can swipe back and forward in the browser. miss this function very much
[09:55] <certiorari> 3 finger swipe*
[09:56] <certiorari> oh, and one more! ZOOM, possible to run it natively on ubuntu? atm I run it in a win10 VM
[10:00] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> yeah, zoom and the opensource variant You can host yourself
[10:00] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> work on linux
[10:05] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I think, running software on linux is easy but dudes got to learn using terminal and basics that really empowers the thing.
[10:06] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> it kinda gives clearer perspective on compiling and building software than visual studio
[10:10] <tryane> how do i install tar.bz2 file
[10:13] <lord4163> It's just an archive file, you don't install it.
[10:13] <lord4163> Extract it and follow the instructions.
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> !tar | tryane
[10:14] <tryane> ok thank you
[10:28] <k162> poop
[10:29]  * ogra hands k162 a mop and bucket
[10:30] <certiorari> any Swedes in here?
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> !se | certiorari
[10:34] <certiorari> nice, thx ubottu :)
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | ubottu
[10:42] <certiorari> anyone into crypto?
[10:42] <certiorari> HODLing, mining, full node etc?
[10:42] <certiorari> LN node anyone?
[10:43] <krytarik> certiorari: Wrong topic for here.
[10:43] <certiorari> ok, sorry
[10:44] <certiorari> but in relation to ubuntu I mean
[10:44] <certiorari> I have a full node setup and LN setup along with a BTCpay-server on ubuntu
[10:44] <certiorari> not mining, not yet anyhow
[10:45] <certiorari> had some issues setting up the pay server, but now works
[10:45] <certiorari> :)
[10:45] <certiorari> www.getumbrel.com if anyone is interested
[10:46] <certiorari> stil in dev mode, but works fine so far. but wouldnt transfer any big amounts to either btc or LN wallet at this stage. but fun to use and learn
[10:46] <krytarik> I wish you didn't just paste link either.. :P
[10:46] <certiorari> how so?
[10:47] <certiorari> sharing in caring, no?
[10:47] <certiorari> :)
[10:47] <krytarik> But anyway, I doubt there is much knowledge here to help you set up such stuff even on Ubuntu.
[10:48] <certiorari> I already have it all setup.
[10:48] <certiorari> could guide anyone over PM if needed
[10:48] <certiorari> :)
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> !chat | certiorari
[10:48] <certiorari> ok. my bad. sorry
[10:49] <dob1> do I need some package installed to have r8125 kernel driver?
[10:50] <certiorari> typing /list return too much for being able to browse it.. is there any wat to search for ex, bitcoin channels in here?
[10:50] <certiorari> on irssi btw
[10:51] <krytarik> !alis | certiorari
[11:13] <linux_daemon> hello, i am on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, and the command: file, is at version 5.32 . i need to update it to version 5.38, but apt-get upgrade file , says that 5.32 is the latest version. any idea how to force update to version 5.38?
[11:15] <linux_daemon> tried downloading the zip, unpack, compile and install, but when running file --version, still shows version 5.32
[11:17] <rbasak> linux_daemon: Ubuntu 20.04 ships with file 5.38. The point of using Ubuntu 18.04 and not upgrading to a newer Ubuntu release *is* to not upgrade packages to newer versions. You can hack something together but it won't be supportable or receive security updates.
[11:18] <linux_daemon> so basically, either upgrade to 20.04 or no chance to use file at version 5.32
[11:21] <rbasak> You can hack something together but it won't be supportable or receive security updates.
[11:21] <mozambique> olas
[11:21] <rbasak> (unless you support your hack yourself)
[11:22] <rbasak> However, see https://xyproblem.info/. You haven't explained why you need this.
[11:22] <donofrio> linux_daemon, why do you need 5.38 if I can inquire?
[11:25] <linux_daemon> donofrio: i have a file, and on local machine, having file version 5.38, if i run : file -bi downloadedfile , it returns application/csv, which is correct, and in 18.04 having file version 5.32, the same command returns text/plain
[11:26] <donofrio> linux_daemon, what does 5.35 return for said downloaded file?
[11:27] <linux_daemon> i dont know, but 5.32 returns text/plain. i tried to download the file 5.38 version, compile and install, but it still shows v5.32
[11:28] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:28] <donofrio> linux_daemon, you *might* be able to apt-get remove file if not too many dependancies and hack/compile your own version but yah you'd be non-standard at that point, what us keeping you from 20.04?
[11:29] <linux_daemon> tried that, removed version 5.32, tried to compile and run, but the damn thing still shows version 5.32
[11:30] <donofrio> then you didn't remove it
[11:30] <linux_daemon> guess an upgrade to 20.04 is the proper way to go
[11:31] <donofrio> ;)
[11:31] <donofrio> I mean is 20.04 LTS folks or?
[11:32] <linux_daemon> what?
[11:32] <donofrio> perhaps (unsure if ubuntu does what redhat does) a backpported version of 5.32 exist in a repo?
[11:33] <donofrio> !LTS
[11:34] <linux_daemon> donofrio: if i try: apt install file=5.38 it states that 5.32 is the latest version and 5.38 is non existent
[11:34] <donofrio> linux_daemon, ok so 20.04 is LTS yah might well upgrade I guess...if your running fro, wsl you'll need to remove screen and snapd to upgrade
[11:34] <donofrio> fro = from
[11:35] <linux_daemon> yeah...started the upgrade, it is the only solution
[11:40] <linux_daemon> donofrio: it works, upgrading to 20.04 does the work
[11:40] <donofrio> linux_daemon, enjoy
[11:41] <linux_daemon> thank you donofrio
[11:42] <linux_daemon> i owe you one :)
[11:42] <donofrio> nah just share open source goodness
[11:46] <linux_daemon> if i wasnt gaming (i hate consoles), my daily driver would be ubuntu. but, when developing something, i always go for ubunyu
[11:50] <lektor> HEllo , hello I do configure the automatic upgrades for the office I want contact with too much , how do I configure the automatic updates for them ?
[11:50] <lektor> The question is ,
[11:50] <lektor> WHich software repositoies to choose so nothing got stuck , diffrent www sites  give diffrent answers
[11:50] <lektor> security is for sure ...
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> lektor: i'm having a dejavu frop poland, didnt you ask this few days ago?
[11:51] <lektor> yes , it;s me paul424 :D
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> lektor: right, so why repeat this exact same question again?
[11:52] <lektor> it's not the same exact querstion , now I ask which repositories to turn on / turn off
[11:52] <lektor> https://pastebin.com/SpdE66A2 is this fine ?
[11:53] <Macer> there is no way to sync icloud to linux in a sane way is there?
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> lektor: i linked you https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates last time
[11:54] <Macer> i know there is a way to access it using snap but that just seems like something that creates icons for the web interface to icloud
[12:02] <lektor> Unattended-Upgrade::Remove-Unused-Dependencies "false"; // some sources claim this should be true ... which one is healthier ? lotuspsychje don't be angry :)
[12:04] <ogra> Macer, there are webext-dav4tbsync and python3-pyicloud debs too ... (not sure how useful they are, i dont use icloud)
[12:13] <lektor> what else I can install so the Ubuntu is more user friendly .... I already switched to xfce4
[12:14] <lektor> and setup the autoupdate on system shutdown
[12:27] <MrMobius> when I type sudo apt update it shows 1 package can be upgrade but sudo apt upgrade shows 0 upgraded. why is that?
[12:28] <ioria> MrMobius, apt list --upgradable
[12:28] <EriC^^> MrMobius: try 'sudo apt full-upgrade' to upgrade it
[12:31] <BinarySavior> hi, i have just tried to ssh my linode box running ubuntu server after several months of no ssh, and I have received an alarming message saying i am vulnerable to man-in-the-middle attack because my host key has changed
[12:31] <k162> poop
[12:32] <BinarySavior> since my last ssh session, i upgraded my personal computer from 20.04 to 21.04 and copied over all my ssh keys, could this have caused something like that to happen?
[12:33] <alkisg> When you say "upgraded", do you mean "installed from scratch"? If so, yes, the host keys at /etc/ssh would be different then
[12:33] <MrMobius> ioria, modemmanager/hirsute-updates 1.16.6-2~21.04 amd64 [upgradable from: 1.14.10-0.1]
[12:33] <BinarySavior> yes I installed form scratch
[12:34] <alkisg> BinarySavior: yeah then it's ok; just do the ssh-keygen -R command that it proposes to remove the old keys
[12:34] <BinarySavior> okay thank you
[12:34] <meator> Hello, what is the state of libco?
[12:35] <MrMobius> EriC^^, that shows 0 upgraded. sudo apt update still shows 1 package can be upgraded
[12:36] <ioria> MrMobius, apt-cache policy modemmanager | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:36] <BinarySavior> i added a new fingerprint now remote host is rejecting my ssh session
[12:36] <BinarySavior> do I just need to generate a new keypair altogether?
[12:39] <MrMobius> ioria, https://termbin.com/299o
[12:40] <ioria>  (phased 80%)
[12:40] <ioria> MrMobius, i think you need to wait a bit ...
[12:42] <ioria> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
[12:44] <MrMobius> ioria, so its fine for now and will probably update normally at some point in the future?
[12:44] <ioria> MrMobius, i guess so
[13:09] <hiya> guys did you notice that PIP on Firefox do not work fine? It cuts from right and pushed to the left after a while, also changes size etc when auto-plays a video, next on list
[13:11] <Helmholtz> If a systemd-timer exists with non-zero code (failed), would it try again on next time?
[14:11] <apteryx> hi! I'm having problems building an application that compiles ffmpeg statically and links it into a shared library, only on Ubuntu (Debian is fine): /usr/bin/ld: /tmp/libring.so.0.0.0.gz8NuP.ltrans91.ltrans.o: relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against symbol `ff_h264_cabac_tables' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[14:11] <apteryx> is there something particular about Ubuntu that could explain this?
[14:13] <leftyfb> apteryx: https://stackoverflow.com/a/46515541
[14:18]  * apteryx reads
[14:38] <tryane> how to block all connections to and from a program in linux please
[14:42] <BrianBlaze> tryane, use ufw to block whatever port application is using
[14:44] <tryane> BrianBlaze: but how to know what ports the program uses to connec tot interent
[14:44] <pasiz> tryane: netstat
[14:45] <tryane> ok i will search
[14:45] <tryane> thank you
[14:51] <tryane> sorry i can't find the option to listen to a specifci program ports using netstat
[14:53] <BrianBlaze> what's the program?
[14:54] <tryane> joplin for example
[15:09] <linsux> is there ubuntu minimal iso so i can install whichever desktop i want?
[15:09] <EriC^^> !mini | linsux
[15:10] <linsux> for 20.04?
[15:11] <linsux> only 18.04?
[15:11] <EriC^^> linsux: see here http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/netboot/focal/
[15:15] <coconut> tryane, there is only opensnitch if you want an application type firewall, but it might not be evolved enough yet for end users.
[15:16] <linsux> still don't see 20.04
[15:18] <tryane> coconut: does it have a graphical UI, i don't wanna mess with internet ports
[15:18] <Eickmeyer> linsux: 20.04's mini ISO is unsupported, but available here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/mini.iso
[15:19] <coconut> tryane, yes it does have that, but it does not have support here because it is not part of the repository of ubuntu.
[15:20] <tryane> coconut: not safe?
[15:22] <lektor> who could help connecting a konica minolta 224e to an Ubuntu installation
[15:22] <coconut> tryane, no just a decission of the people involved at the side of canonical...
[15:22] <lektor> IT should be able to print via local network
[15:24] <tryane> ok coconut: thank you for your help man will try it out
[15:24] <lektor> lotuspsychje, hello
[15:24] <coconut> tryane, just try it out in a vm first ;)
[15:25] <lektor> I tried the ipp methods, BUT I don't have the model in the list
[15:25] <tryane> coconut: ok :D
[15:33] <lektor> Processing - The printer is unreachable at this time.
[15:34] <lektor> never n mind the model , at askubuntu tehey say that "KONICA MINOLTA 500/420/360PS(P)" that was available on the list and works like a charm printing in full colour.
[15:34] <lektor> so what should I choose lpp or ipp ?
[15:38] <omega_doom> How can i install ubuntu without impacting existing uefi? Is it possible to do not removing existing disks?
[15:39] <omega_doom> Sometime ago i tried to disable discks in bios but it didn't work.
[15:47] <apteryx> leftyfb: when I test minimally in the environment it works, yet the full flags provided during an actual build (which include -Wl,-Bsymbolic) fail on Ubuntu (18.04, 20.04 and 21.04) but pass on Debian 10 and Debian 11 (see a diff of the few differences in the linker's invocation and failure here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/C9W3vDRYsf/).
[15:52] <apteryx> could it have to do with lto options used on ubuntu but not on debian? e.g, -flto=auto -ffat-lto-objects
[15:54] <jbo> Hi there-  I'm having trouble with SSL verification, where `curl https://google.com` works, but `wget https://google.com` fails with "ERROR: cannot verify google.com's certificate, issued by ‘CN=GTS CA 1C3,O=Google Trust Services LLC,C=US’:
[15:56] <apteryx> leftyfb: Ah! The breakage is caused by -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions that is only present on Ubuntus
[15:56] <apteryx> where does it come from?
[16:00] <jbo> openssl s_client -connect www.google.com:443 -debug
[16:00] <jbo> (sorry, bad paste) -- that's also failing with "Verify return code: 20 (unable to get local issuer certificate)"
[16:01] <fold_right> I tried taking a screen shot (ALT+PrintScreen to capture a Window) of a notification (the ones that pop up at the top of the screen) and the PrintScreen button is now unresponsive. Anyone know if this is a known bug with Gnome?
[16:02] <ioria> jbo, try this : sudo updatedb && locate libssl.so | grep -v snap
[16:03] <jbo> ioria: yeah - that would have worked -- I had a stray libssl in /usr/local/lib. Removing it has fixed the problem. Thank you!
[16:04] <ioria> ok, very good
[16:04] <jbo> ioria: ... no idea what put it there sadly.
[16:09] <jbo> ioria: in case if helps a future person -- I got clued into this by running `openssl version -a` which showed weird paths for OPENSSLDIR and ENGINESDIR. Thank you for your help
[16:38] <apteryx> found how to strip -Wl,-Bsymbolic by looking at the fox1.6 rules file: LDFLAGS := $(filter-out %-Bsymbolic-functions,$(LDFLAGS))
[16:38] <apteryx> -Bsymbolic-functions *
[18:16] <BinarySavior> is it bad to run a systemd service with root user?
[18:17] <BinarySavior> (docker container znc)
[18:22] <Daemoen> is it still recommended to use apt-get in non-interactive scripting scenarios, or is it recommended to use apt finally;  i remember that there were some api issues with apt in older releases (ubuntu 20.04)
[18:22] <sarnold> BinarySavior: does docker switch to using a different user id before spawning znc?
[18:22] <sarnold> BinarySavior: why not just run the znc directly from systemd?
[18:23] <sarnold> Daemoen: probably best to stick to apt-get, I think apt's interface is 'free to change'
[18:24] <BinarySavior> i've always just used the docker container, i'm not sure if docker itself switches to another user
[18:24] <BinarySavior> mostly to protect myself since I have this open to the outside
[18:26] <omega_doom> Does anyone know if this issue is still present? https://itectec.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-installing-ubuntu-without-touching-windows/
[18:28] <leftyfb> omega_doom: what is the issue exactly? Just unplug all the drives you don't want to install ubuntu on, install ubuntu on the remaining drive and plug everything back in
[18:30] <omega_doom> leftyfb: This is very annoying workaround specially for laptops.
[18:31] <leftyfb> omega_doom: what is it exactly you are trying to accomplish?
[18:32] <omega_doom> leftyfb: The issue is still present even in last installers. I was wondering if i don't need to open my laptop anymore.
[18:32] <leftyfb> what issue?
[18:33] <BinarySavior> sarnold, ahh I am not running from non-root user, i just had to add the user to the 'docker' group
[18:33] <BinarySavior> now**
[18:34] <omega_doom> leftyfb: Is this not apparent? Not to have option for independent installatioin.
[18:36] <leftyfb> omega_doom: so you have 2 physical storage devices in your laptop and you want Windows on one and Ubuntu on the other? And you don't want Ubuntu modifying the EFI partition on the Windows drive (why not?)? Maybe don't do an EFI install of ubuntu and select your ubuntu drive for the MBR?
[18:36] <sarnold> BinarySavior: probably adding a user to the 'docker' group is equivalent to root access on your computer
[18:36] <leftyfb> omega_doom: what's the big deal with selecting the OS from the EFI menu from the Windows drive?
[18:38] <omega_doom> leftyfb: Yes, i want independent installion so that ubuntu will boot on different laptop.
[18:38] <leftyfb> omega_doom: ok, so the storage device you are using isn't internal to the laptop. Then disable EFI temporarily and do an MBR install to your external device
[18:40] <omega_doom> leftyfb: yes, it is external. Do i need to choose mbr option in the ubuntu installer and everything will be ok?
[18:41] <leftyfb> omega_doom: I think if you disable (U)EFI from your BIOS/system, it should do an MBR install. Also, why not just disable your internal storage from the BIOS?
[18:42] <omega_doom> leftyfb: disabling hard drives in bios doesn't work.
[18:42] <leftyfb> omega_doom: how so? Maybe you're not doing it correctly
[18:43] <leftyfb> omega_doom: can I ask, what is your use case of having an installation of ubuntu on an external drive to boot from other machines?
[18:44] <omega_doom> leftyfb: I don't know how but it is how it works. Only physical removal works - tested by many people.
[18:44] <TJ-> omega_doom: pre-create the EFI-SP and format it before starting the installer
[18:46] <TJ-> omega_doom: as in, boot in "Try..." mode so you have the Live Desktop then use a terminal shell to prepare the target device before starting the installer; that'll then let the installer's partitioning/boot-loader selection steps 'see' the target as a valid target for installing a boot-loader to
[18:46] <omega_doom> leftyfb: Do you think creation of EFI-SP on external drive will work?
[18:46] <TJ-> omega_doom: I do this frequently
[18:49] <omega_doom> leftyfb: interesting. It sound easy but it is not mentioned in the link i posted for some reason.
[18:53] <omega_doom> leftyfb: This is much better than mbr because it requires to switch modes in bios before booting.
[18:54] <leftyfb> omega_doom: to be clear, switching EFI off was only a temporary step to get it installed to the MBR of your external device. After that you could re-enable EFI and both should boot just fine. Either way. Good luck
[18:56] <omega_doom> leftyfb: Thanks! I will try to create UEFI partition on external drive.
[18:58] <omega_doom> leftyfb: But what about this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1396379
[18:59] <leftyfb> omega_doom: I have no experience doing TJ-'s suggestion. I can't help with that
[19:07] <TJ-> omega_doom: maybe I'm lucky in the ordering when I do that
[19:08] <TJ-> omega_doom: possibly it's related to the device name sorting. Examining an installer log may reveal what is going on there
[19:19] <Guest70> quiet
[19:19] <TJ-> I've added some useful insights to the bug omega_doom
[19:50] <imi> hi, how do I figure out what happens when I press enter on a jpg or mkv file in MC? for some reason for video files mpv starts it playing without issues, but for images geeqie flashes up for a single moment and then closes
[19:52] <sarnold> imi: check the mc documentation, it probably says if it uses the mimetype system or desktop files or its own tools to figure out which programs to run for which extensions etc
[19:54] <genii> It should use whatever xdg-open default is
[19:55] <sarnold> oh that's another possibility
[19:55] <sarnold> but mc predates xdg by a decade or two or three
[20:01] <imi> the same way (unlike rm) gio trash puts the files into the ubuntu trash, is there a way to open the file with the default app from commandline (it's ok if it only works under X)?
[20:12] <imi> xdg-open does the same flashing with geeqie
[20:12] <imi> how do I configure which app xdg-open uses?
[20:14] <sumagnadas> so i am making an application for myself which will pull my supermix playlist from yt music and play it using libvlc module but it seems like i dont have control over it from the notification area of ubuntu or using media keys on my laptop....so how do i get it tot to show up on the notification area as well as control it using media keys?
[20:15] <sumagnadas> i mean how do i get it recognized as a media player? is there any way to register the script or the process as one?
[20:18] <leftyfb> sumagnadas: try #ubuntu-devel
[20:19] <alkisg> Isn't ubuntu-devel for ubuntu development, not for application developers support?
[20:20] <sumagnadas> leftyfb: ok
[20:20] <leftyfb> alkisg: I couldn't find a better channel. Do you know of a more appropriate one?
[20:20] <leftyfb> sumagnadas: maybe also try #gnome
[20:20] <alkisg> I think there were a couple back on freenode; not sure if they moved them to libera
[20:20] <sumagnadas> can the language of the code help?
[20:21] <sumagnadas> its written in python
[20:49] <webchat79help23> So I repurposed an old desktop in the workshop. Put some ubuntu linux on it. Works great! Only thing I would like to change is that when I turn on the power in the workshop, the PC starts booting.
[20:51] <hjeldin> webchat79help23: you should check in your bios options
[20:51] <webchat79help23> I did. But can not find it.
[20:52] <webchat79help23> I have a 960GC-GS FX
[20:52] <webchat79help23> ASRock
[20:53] <hjeldin> should be under ACPI Configuration -> Restore on AC/Power Loss
[20:54] <webchat79help23> Oke I go try
[20:54] <webchat79help23> I have p1.10 version
[20:54] <webchat79help23> I just go in bios and there is a tab? ACPi? and there i put restore?
[20:58] <hjeldin> webchat79help23: i just took a look here: https://download.asrock.com/Manual/960GC-GS%20FX.pdf
[20:58] <hjeldin> it should be under the Advanced tab
[21:06] <webchat57> @hjeldin Thanx! The PC now boots when i flip on the power to the workshop!
[21:07] <hjeldin> webchat57: you're welcome!
[21:13] <webchat57> hjeldin does it mean? ACPI? I would have never found that.
[21:13] <webchat57> what
[21:14] <hjeldin> stands for advanced configuration and power interface
[21:15] <webchat57> Thanx
[21:15] <webchat57> I don't shut down the PC. Just turn of the power to the workshop. Is that bad for the computer?
[21:16] <webchat57> hjeldin ?
[21:16] <leftyfb> yes
[21:18] <webchat57> Why?
[21:19] <genii> Because when you properly shutdown a computer it does stuff like make sure there's no pending write operations to the hard drives, and other housekeeping things
[21:20] <webchat57> I just browse firefox and use spotify
[21:20] <genii> And if it has spinny disks just cutting power to those is bad
[21:21] <webchat57> It has 15 old hdd. But I only use the SSD
[21:21] <webchat57> maybe I disconnect the HDD i never use them.
[21:25] <leftyfb> webchat57: you asked if it was bad, it is. Whether you choose to follow the advice is up to you
[21:35] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I found some christmas related unicodes online, but, aint there a unicode database already in libreoffice or ubuntu? I found the regular special characters list, but no christmas related unicodes...
[21:38] <jhutchins> Maybe a small, old UPS that will last long enough to run the shutdown.
[22:01] <Croran> gneeriiloeepdeer: good question. I'd like to know that too. and ideally just in ubuntu character map, not having to load up libreoffice.
[23:05] <Max-P> Hi, does anyone know what package provides the dm-crypt module for linux-kvm? I'm trying to set up an encrypted disk on an OpenStack cloud VM, and I can get it working with linux-generic but not with the default linux-kvm. It can't find the module in /lib/modules/5.4.0-1045-kvm/, and I can't seem to find what package would provide that. Thanks!
[23:08] <leftyfb> Max-P: what version of ubuntu?
[23:09] <Bashing-om> Max-P: ^^ linux-modules-5.4.0-1009-aws ?? See: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=dm-crypt&mode=filename&suite=focal&arch=any .
[23:11] <sarnold> Max-P: I don't think it's enabled for that kernel, that might be worth a bug report
[23:11] <leftyfb> I don't think encrypting a "disk" in the cloud is very popular
[23:15] <Max-P> leftyfb: 20.04, "focal-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk-kvm.img" from "Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa) Daily Build [20210824]" precisely
[23:33] <casper34> Hey I'm curious how would I be able to install a package from the repos multiple times? like lets say just as example installing nginx 3 times on a server
[23:34] <Max-P> casper34: what do you mean 3 times? Normally it will just install it over, so you always have one of them. What would you expect?
[23:34] <leftyfb> casper34: you can't
[23:34] <leftyfb> casper34: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[23:34] <genii-away> There's no forseeable use case for this
[23:35] <Max-P> genii-away: could be like with php where there's php7.2-*, php7.4-*, php8.0-* but I can't see why anyone would want that with nginx
[23:36] <casper34> Well trying to get away from docker because I have been really diapointed with them waiting to email users to after their chages has taken affect, so looking for a way to run multiple instances of a aplication to then get everything back to babe bone
[23:36] <leftyfb> babe none?
[23:37] <casper34> so I will have find a way to run 3 instances of nginx
[23:37] <sarnold> casper34: ah; that sounds like kubernetes or lxd territory, depending upon what you're trying to do
[23:37] <casper34> sorry miss spelling ( bare bone ) as in non containortized
[23:37] <leftyfb> casper34: you know you can use virtual hosts on nginx right?
[23:37] <Max-P> Do you *need* to run 3 independant instances of nginx? You should be able to just throw all of your configs together and it would just work
[23:38] <genii-away> set it's conf file to however many instances
[23:38] <genii-away> hm
[23:38] <casper34> yes but nginx does not allow to set user permissions per vhost
[23:38] <leftyfb> casper34: user permission?
[23:38] <Bashing-om> casper34: snap packing ? nginxrtmp-minsikl  0.1      minsikl .
[23:38] <casper34> and each instance needs its own file perssions
[23:38] <Max-P> why?
[23:39] <leftyfb> casper34: you can point the document root to a users home directory, add the user to a web group and you're done
[23:39] <casper34> security. I do not have 2 sites rummimg as the same user because if a site would be hacked then there could be infections on multiple sites
[23:39] <Max-P> nginx's user doesn't have to match, it just needs to have read permission. You can set things to be readable to the www-data group, or you can use ACLs to give www-data read permissions where it needs to
[23:40] <Max-P> nginx doesn't run dynamic content so that's not a concern
[23:40] <leftyfb> casper34: if you're looking for that sort of security then you want containers. Either docker or lxd
[23:40] <casper34> well they do. like everytime I have tried to only change it in the php-fpm it always fails because nginx then looses access
[23:41] <Max-P> Anyway if you _really_ want to do that, you can copy over /lib/systemd/system/nginx.service to /etc/systemd/system/nginx-copy-whatever.service and have 3 nginx services running, but you're better off fixing your permissions instead
[23:41] <casper34> well docker is a no go with them changing ToS and waiting to email people about it to after
[23:41] <Max-P> I have multiple servers with multiple PHP pools all on the same nginx no problem
[23:42] <casper34> or in this point it were their subsciption that I were a part of and still they waited to after
[23:42] <Max-P> You need to make sure nginx has permission to access the PHP sockets, and the files, but that doesn't have to grant PHP anything to the other sites
[23:43] <casper34> that has naver worked for me on nether ubuntu or debian. Gave up with it after trying for three month wich is why I chose docker unfortunally back then and now has the pain moving everything out of docker
[23:46] <Max-P> PHP with pools for user1, user2, user3. All static content readable by group www-data, all PHP sockets read-write by www-data (so nginx can serve static content, and call PHP for the rest). user1-3 with no access to www-data, so they can't talk or interact with eachother
[23:46] <casper34> If I use the systemd copy method btw woudnt it then be a pain to update versions and patch the system
[23:47] <Max-P> Unless the systemd unit changes drastically, not really. You'd pretty much just be duplicating the service definition, not the package itself
[23:47] <Max-P> Or if you really want to stay as close as possible to the docker solution, check podman maybe
[23:47] <casper34> Oh then it would not work because it needs everything behind
[23:48] <Max-P> You don't need 3 copies of the whole nginx package to run 3 of them: you have 3 services starting the same nginx version, but with a different configuration file
[23:50] <casper34> tbh after this with docker and onter things were things have changed within short notice or none ( not related to this case ), my plan is to get as far away for containeraization as posible because of rules could change from one day to another and I would be in the same issue again
[23:50] <casper34> well the config files are also upgraded in mayjor patches so yeah
[23:51] <casper34> but thanks alot going to see what I can do because have to find a solution fast
[23:54] <Max-P> In that case the easiest for you might be to just make lxd containers: it's basically just VMs but without the overhead of a full VM. You'd effectively just be dropping the "container management" layer that docker provides on top as well as the prebuilt-images from docker-hub. So you install Ubuntu as usual and manage it like an actual Ubuntu
[23:54] <Max-P> instance but it otherwise behaves just like docker containers (because that's what docker uses under the hood)
[23:56] <casper34> Yeah but then I also have to pay extra for the servers. Thaty was what I liked with docker because most of the things were shared with the host under the hood to keep the footprint down
[23:56] <Max-P> Why would you pay anything extra? It all still runs on the same box
[23:58] <casper34> I do believe what I have leaned ( many years ago ) that lxd do have overhead so the resource requirement will grow
[23:58] <casper34> including ram and cpu
[23:58] <leftyfb> casper34: only for the services you run in them, exactly like they would in docker
[23:59] <Max-P> lxd and docker literally use the same kernel features to run their containers (cgroups and namespaces)