[00:06] I solved my previous issue, turns out the system cant initalize a connection when the password is scoped to the current user :| so it would only initalize 5 minutes after logging in [00:06] "Make password available to all users" fun times === pizzaiolo is now known as pizza [04:01] okay so... I can't drag n drop from the address bar to the desktop in firefox or opera. [04:01] why? :( [04:04] Ello all [04:04] JoeLlama: desktop doesnt allow icons anymore, unless you install gnome-tweaks and re- enable [04:05] Got an odd one here. Is anyone having really slow performace with SSH MAC algorithom keys in 20.04? [04:06] lotuspsychje: he's using lubuntu since he asked the same question in that channel aka cross posting [04:06] I have a 18.04 VM that's running close to line speed with the SSH MAC speed at ~105MB/sec. My 20.04 is getting about 16MB/sec. [04:06] right, its that time again eh, tnx Mekaneck [04:06] np [04:07] I made sure both were using the same Ciphers and MACs in the config ssh_config and sshd_config === j is now known as jess [04:16] yes not sure if this is a lubuntu thing or not [04:17] hrm lotuspsychje.. [04:17] this happens with firefox to a folder... that's my main concern [04:17] I will try to drag n drop using opera to see if this is a browser thing or a firefox thing [04:20] and yes same thing wtih opera [04:20] neither opera nor firefox works with dragging from the address bar to a folder... it says copy here and cancel and when I click copy here... nothing happens [04:21] I get the feeling this is not a common issue... can't seem to find much on google... [04:23] can everyone here drag n drop from their browser address bar to a folder and it works? [04:28] maybe no one drag n drop except me :/ [04:29] alright afk for a bit. please respond when you are able. [04:29] i am not able [04:30] i get some preparation task on the file app but nothing happens [04:30] oh wait, after 10 seconds i got a link to the page [04:31] oh... it downloaded the page... :') unexcepted [04:32] if i drag and drop just words of the url it turn into a note === webchat35 is now known as Noxius [04:58] so, i see that firefox is updated. what about thunderbird? will i need to wait the next ubuntu release to get to the new version? [05:00] i was like: okay that's something snap is worth to. but apparently it's still outdated here and by canonical [05:00] No, thunderbird also gets frequent updates [05:00] not the big releases? 91 got out august 17 [05:01] apt policy thunderbird => 1:68.7.0+build1-0ubuntu2 (initial) and 1:78.13.0+build1-0ubuntu0.20.04.2 (current) [05:01] oh interesting command [05:02] The point is not in the big releases but in their security issues. They do get packaged frequently, but with this in mind. [05:03] well, about that.. .15 fixes security but is not yet there [05:03] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/known-vulnerabilities/thunderbird/#thunderbird78.14 [05:03] Give it more time. It's a volunteer effort :) [05:04] is it? i thought canonical was commercial [05:04] i suppose it's based on what branch the package is [05:04] Sure, but 90% of it is based on volunteer open source [05:05] oh i am sorry. apprently that release is just scheduled [05:05] i don't know why it was on the relase notes list [05:29] mei install the snap version if you need the 'latest' ? [05:29] https://snapcraft.io/thunderbird [05:43] it's not yet released even there. but with snap info i see that is candidaded === BTJustice is now known as BT_Justice === BT_Justice is now known as BTJustice [05:45] what would happens if i get it from the candidate branch? would i stay in that branch all the time? [05:48] Hi, Xorg high cpu usage when connected to a DELL external monitor with USB typec, no this problem connecting to a LG external monitor, same resolution(4k), how to start a debug? [05:51] actually connected thru a usbc->minidp adapter: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002897347425.html [05:56] It from AliExpress which sells a lot of junk. [05:57] mei really?! [05:57] then it's not only just me... [05:57] perhaps there is a rights issue [05:57] wait what was your issue JoeLlama ? [05:58] hey, why https://packages.ubuntu.com/hirsute/python3 version is 3.9.4 but i can see i have 3.9.5 on my system? === jrenken_ is now known as jrenken [05:59] mei can't drag and drop from address bar in firefox and opera [06:00] why you are saying that it's not only you? it's working here... [06:00] oh I thought you said it didn't work [06:00] scrolling back [06:00] if i move a link i get the page in html, if i move words i get a text file [06:01] I used to be able to drag and drop the address bar to a shortcut in a folder [06:01] and now I can't [06:01] mhm now it get downloaded apparently as page file [06:01] oh okay then you can't do that either so it's not only me it's you too [06:02] see, this is why I ask stuff here :) [06:02] now the big question is, isi this happening to other people too... [06:02] you didn't say you had a different behaviour... i remember you're saying it was just not working [06:02] yeah [06:02] like nothing [06:02] when you drag from address bar and drop in folder it asks... [06:03] "copy here" and "cancel" [06:03] so I click copy here and... nothing [06:03] I am running lubuntu however... [06:03] good day, I am having issues with VLC and volume on a Chromecast [06:03] so I will try to ask there again in a while... [06:03] mei [06:03] Where should I go to ask for help? [06:08] okee doke thanks for verifying that for me [06:08] mei [06:10] I'm not sure if I am in the right place. When I am streaming VLC to chromecast, the volume is too low. Since the VLC volume control does not seem to work, and the same file works completely fine if I put on a usb stick. How to increase volume of VLC on chromecast? [06:12] @grumbly I know in Kubuntu, there are volume sliders for Devices and Applications when you click the speaker icon on the taskbar. Perhaps Ubuntu is similar? [06:13] i suspect a setting in vlc since rebooting into Elementary OS, its fine. [06:13] BTJustice, no pop os [06:13] the volume sliders do nothinnng [06:13] in pop os [06:16] everything is ok if i use an hdmi cable, its also just fine [06:16] locally [06:47] i need help finding a help channel [06:48] I can't hear VLC when it streaming to Chromecast but only in POP OS [06:48] And I am unsure where to get info. [06:48] none of the solution I [06:49] find are relevant [06:51] grumbly: https://chat.pop-os.org/login [08:07] Hi, I am trying to build emacs with native compilation on Ubuntu 20.04, however when configuring it, it says that libgccjit is not found, even though I have libgccjit-10-dev package installed === scoobydoo_ is now known as scoobydoo [08:27] Hello. I want to test translations for ubiquity-installer. How do I modify the ISO image to include target locale? Preferably an simpler way. [08:30] PS: Never mind, I tried with libgccjt-9-dev and it worked [08:49] Hi, I can't make vulkan validation layers work on ubuntu :( I created file vk_layer_settings.txt with "khronos_validation.report_flags = info" contents, executed "export VK_INSTANCE_LAYERS=VK_LAYER_KHRONOS_validation", started vkcube and no info was printed. It worked on other distro. Does anyone know how to fix it? [08:50] and I installed vulkan-validationlayers package === nox4 is now known as N-o-x [10:14] HelloI have some issues when I try to do apt-get update [10:14] I get following message [10:14] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [10:14] mariadb-backup : Depends: mariadb-client-core-10.3 (= 1:10.3.31+maria~focal) but 1:10.3.31-0ubuntu0.20.04.1 is installed [10:14] mariadb-client : Depends: mariadb-client-10.3 (>= 1:10.3.31+maria~focal) but 1:10.3.31-0ubuntu0.20.04.1 is installed [10:14] mariadb-server-core-10.3 : Breaks: mariadb-client-10.3 (< 1:10.3.31+maria~focal) but 1:10.3.31-0ubuntu0.20.04.1 is installed [10:14] E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution). === LabMonkey is now known as Mechanismus [10:15] When I do apt --fix-broken install it doens't solve the issue [10:15] anyone knows how to solve it please? :) [10:18] ParanoYak: you've added external repositories and mixed packages from both Ubuntu and the external archive [10:21] TJ- hmm ok, do you know how I can solve it? [10:23] ParanoYak94: decide which you intend to use and remove the other. Why do you have the external repo added? [10:26] Hmm I don't remember, it must be a while now... [10:26] I renamed mariadb.list from /etc/apt/source.list.d/ to something else, but still same issue. Do I need to perform something else to correctly remove it ? [10:27] ParanoYak94: as long as the filename doesn't end in ".list" it will be ignored; then "sudo apt update" to sync the package lists so that is excluded [10:28] ok now I have removed it completly but still the problems when I do apt update; apt upgrade [10:48] so to install circle apps of gnome, you just uset flatpack? [10:48] use [10:57] why gnome-software-plugin-flatpak pull gnome-software but when i purge and autoremove gnoem-software is not removed? [11:03] is there a possibility to configure the invterval of software raid checks (mdadm)? [11:38] hello, can someone explain to me what chmod and chown do? [11:39] wwwi: use man to learn new things: man chmod, man chown [11:39] if you still don't get it ask again [11:40] mei, thanks [12:48] wwwi, if you find man pages hard to read, then there is tldr too(which you'll need to install). === anton is now known as Anton === pong\off is now known as pong === Anton is now known as anton [13:19] Hi all [13:21] uhm why the paste in terminal doesn't update to what i have currently ctrl-c from other apps? [13:21] mei, use it with shift too ;) [13:22] mhm that paste but i just get the wrong text... is outdated [13:34] coconut, thanks for the info [13:34] yw === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon [13:44] Crosspost from #xubuntu: Hi everyone, I am using xubuntu 20.04.3 with xfce 4.14 on a recent 5.11 kernel. After my PC wakes from sleep or hibernation it sometimes (seemingly after longer sleep or hibernation) does not show the desktop again. I have to change to another terminal and then back to terminal 7 for it to show again. I tried to deactivate [13:44] all screensavers and locks I could find. I googled for it, but I am not sure I know the correct terminology to find good results. Any hints? [13:46] derdritte: we rather prefer no crossposts, but does this occur on earlier kernel versions too? [13:46] can i access ubuntu remote by windows? with the default screen sharing in gnome [13:46] and not using rdp [13:47] lotuspsychje: It has persisted for at least three minor kernel upgrades, I am not sure about earlier kernels. [13:48] I also use to proprietary nvidia driver, if I remember correctly when I first noticed the issue I tried a free one too, which didn't change anything. [13:49] This issue might be related to the shutdown-option from the action menu sometimes not working the first time, sometimes when I retry giving operation pending errors. First I thought it was a config issue, I then essentially wiped my home-folder and it persisted through that too. [13:50] Maybe it would be better to do this in a post on the board, and dumping some debug stuff there? [13:50] derdritte: well, we currently notice a lot of 5.11 bugs and also nvidia 470 issues, perhaps share your dmesg with the volunteers to take a closer look of your issue? [13:52] I guess I will try another clean reinstall without the nvidia drivers first, thanks. [13:53] derdritte: you dont really need a clean install to solve ubuntu issues [13:54] My audio is muted, brought up audio mixer and it is trying to establish connection tp PulseAudio, but doesn't appear to actually do it [13:56] lotuspsychje: I held that assumption, alas, I am having 5 different issues, been looking for solutions for months, have already reinstalled, disabled and removed a lot of things and nothing seems to help, technically speaking including the reinstall. [13:58] The xfce-panel also keeps messing up regularly [13:58] Anyway, thanks for the chat. [13:59] derdritte: are you using multiple monitors? [13:59] TJ-: Indeed [14:01] derdritte: I use xubuntu - there's a common problem where the locker doesn't use the primary monitor; so if the secondary is switched off the lock display never shows (seems to depend on which monitor had focus (or mouse) when locking) [14:01] Is it possible to restart Pulse Audio system without rebooting machine [14:01] ? [14:02] jsmooth: it's a user process so yes "systemctl --user restart pulseaudio" [14:02] TJ-: Thank you, but I there is no locker, after I switch terminal back and forth it just comes back. I removed all screensavers and locks to make sure it was nothing like that (it's my home PC I am okay with the security here). [14:03] derdritte: then it is likely a DPMS (Display Power Management System) issue [14:03] derdritte: do you see any sign of backlight when trying to 'resume' [14:03] TJ-: The screens are on though, you can seen the backlight [14:03] derdritte: snap :) [14:03] It is seriously messing with me. [14:05] I use xfce, so I do not need a lot of fancy stuff from my desktop environment, but this is happening on a modern OS, properly updated, hopefully properly configured :/ [14:06] derdritte: can we see your dmesg in a paste plz? [14:06] This cannot be good: Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory [14:07] Tht's weird. It's been working fine and suddenly I notice it doesn't work. [14:07] https://pastebin.com/db1pUfFz [14:08] I checked earlier, the NVRM issues are new, the wake-up thing start before that showed up. [14:10] jsmooth: check the log "journalctl --user -u pulseaudio.service" [14:10] This dmesg actually contains an instance of the computer waking (from sleep, I think) and the issue presented again. [14:10] derdritte: the suspend/resume issue is likely related to ACPI bugs in the system's firmware [14:11] TJ-: Is there something I can to about that? [14:11] Apr 18 11:57:12 slowlyrapid pulseaudio[9226]: GetManagedObjects() failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Failed to activate service 'org.bluez': timed out (service_start_timeout=25000ms) [14:12] derdritte: well this seems pretty clear: "NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 470.63.01, but this kernel module has the version 470.57.02" [14:12] TJ-: I already addressed this, the issue predates this more recent error (of which I see no symptoms) [14:13] derdritte: and a few firmware acpi bugs too [14:14] derdritte: "Firmware Bug]: ACPI MWAIT C-state 0x0 not supported by HW (0x0)" [14:14] derdritte: did you fix the 470 driver or go a version lower or so? [14:15] lotuspsychje: When it first happened I went to a 460 one, didn't change anything, then I removed the driver altogether, worse performance, same issue. [14:15] derdritte: it may help to see a complete system log from about 3 minutes before that last suspend [14:15] hmm [14:17] TJ-: Are we talking syslog or some journal-related stuff? [14:18] derdritte: also this and the following 4 lines indicate other issues "nvidia-gpu 0000:0a:00.3: i2c timeout error e0000000" [14:18] TJ-: I read up on that, apparently it is related to USB-issues, but can be ignored [14:19] derdritte: if you know, for example, that the last suspend was 30 minutes ago (exactly) you could do "journalctl --since="35 minutes ago" --until="25 minutes ago" " [14:19] The mainboard is getting a bit dated, but the BIOS there is up to date, as far as I know. [14:19] derdritte: an i2c error for nvidia means it isn't able to talk to the GPU hardware, and i2c is usually used to control the outputs [14:20] Also you guys are essentially bringing up random issues, I am not sure any of that is related to me not getting my terminal back when I wake from suspend. [14:21] derdritte: suspend is a hardware/firmware operation; all these issues are likely related [14:21] derdritte: and for your info, some of us have been dealing with these issues at a developer level for more than 15 years [14:23] what is Ubuntu's alternative to RDC? [14:23] (RDP) [14:27] Journal from before the suspend: https://pastebin.com/PzbZguCH [14:28] derdritte: a discworld fan? [14:28] TJ-: It's true. [14:31] Obviously I have little to no understanding about any of these issues, I tried to identify and research anything that came up, but hunting random log-messages in the vain hope it might be connected to my issue didn't seem productive. [14:34] derdritte: how about the log from resume? that's likely where any big clues will be, if any [14:34] For the i2c issue I tried this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1278399/dual-system-ubuntu-20-04nvidia-gpu-i2c-timeout-error-ucsi-ccg-i2c-transfer (method 2), but the message persisted (no idea why). [14:38] derdritte: you added "/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist_i2c-nvidia-gpu.conf" with "blacklist i2c_nvidia_gpu" in? [14:38] Yes, although I reinstalled since, so it is not there anymore. [14:39] This is the resume: https://pastebin.com/s0NNzRAn [14:40] I cut it off relatively closely, because some tasks and other stuff are triggered on the wake that have semi-personal stuff in them. [14:42] greetings, We have install 20.04 on all our servers. then did the usual update/upgrade. Now our servers boot to a gui and if there is no activity they sleep. What is going on [14:46] Hey there, does anyone have a link to a good page that does sort of a round-up of all the different ways one can add external software to Ubuntu (like snaps, .deb files, PPAs, etc.)? [14:46] I've been searching on Google, but am going down a whole lot of related rabbit holes without finding one page with all of it. [14:49] derdritte: those ACPI Firmware C-state issues are suspect; if the firmware setup/config allows it, disable Global C-states. [14:49] TJ-: Is that something I most likely would have to do in the bios? [14:50] derdritte: that is what I'm referring to; the firmware setup accessible at power-on [14:50] Sure, I can give that a shot [14:52] I have also readded the i2c-thing to the blacklist [14:52] derdritte: always best since sometimes multiple 'small' issues can add up to larger issues, so you have to play whack-a-mole [14:53] derdritte: also, may not help, but worth trying: https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html [14:56] TJ-: I added that too, for good measure. I will do a (or some) reboot and see if I can disable the global C-states there. Since the weird behaviour only happens after I sleep the computer a while (I do not actually know how long :/), I can only confirm if any of this helped tomorrow. [14:59] Unless you have a way of inducing this. === sig_9 is now known as bebop [15:06] derdritte: it's almost certainly an ACPI issue [15:13] Thanks for the suggestions, I'll see how it goes. [15:15] derdritte: maybe worth a check too, see if your mobo has firmware updates [15:16] lotuspsychje: Yeah, I checked a while ago, I'll have another look. The mobo is relatively old now, on of the first AM3 ones. [15:17] just a note, the C-state issue is most likely an actual CPU bug; there are quite a few reports against some older AMD Ryzen based CPUs [15:17] Very possible, I have an 1700x [15:19] Elliria: we usualy advice to stick to the ubuntu repos for software sources, and snaps also joined the game indeed [15:23] Thank you, lotuspsychje. [15:33] hi i want to install ubuntu but it gives me an error about grub-efi-amd64 when it wants to install grub. [15:33] any idea? [15:34] What error? [15:35] alkisg: grub-efi-amd64-signed failed installation /target/ Ubuntu [15:36] btw there's some answer in askubuntu . i also checked that out but it didn't work [15:36] What's the output of: sudo lsblk --fs | nc termbin.com 9999 [15:37] hi, does my client work? [15:38] Yes [15:38] tnx [15:39] alkisg: let me see i will tell you [15:39] farhad: yup [15:39] :) === reverbtank781 is now known as reverbtank78 [15:44] hello everyone ghost this side [15:45] hello [15:45] I'm having trouble installing ubuntu on an external hard drive [15:46] I followed these steps: https://www.58bits.com/comment/1104 [15:46] my dear friend xellie [15:46] :)) [15:47] i believe this problem may have occured due to fact that ubuntu is not able to install itself on drives connected indirectly to it , like as in through usb ports instead of PCI ports of the motherboard [15:47] mei: linux provides 3 different types of cut&paste - typically the "selection" and the "clippboard" is used. selection: mark with mouse and paste with middle mouse button(shift+insert). clipboard: menu copy/menu insert (STRG+c, STRG+v). i typically use a clipboard manager and configure it to sysnc these buffers.... [15:48] because the same had ocured with me too when i tried installing mint linux on external hdd [15:49] so instead of doing that you use a simpler and easier way which wont require much hassle [15:49] this is the first time i've heard about this [15:50] AND that is to configure the ubuntu when it is being flashed to external usb or hdd as a persistent storage [15:50] which can be done via bootable usb creating software such as rufus [15:52] and that is not all , you can do this with any linux image you want as long as it supports both live images and persistent storage configurations[which is most likely it will] [15:52] https://www.fosslinux.com/10212/how-to-install-a-complete-ubuntu-on-a-usb-flash-drive.htm [15:52] simon_ghost_rile: what I did to install ubuntu was: I installed it regularly on a zpool via the gui installer [15:52] or just install complete os on usb [15:52] I zfs sent all the datasets to my mac via ssh [15:53] I then created a new pool with encryption, and zfs received the whole install again from my mac via ssh (while being booted in the live cd mode on the usb stick) [15:53] -> encrypted zfs boot on ubuntu [15:53] I think I could have done that on any storage medium, whether attached via pci/nvme, sata/ahci, or usb [15:53] but my man that is a bit of hassle when you dont want to use the command line [15:54] it ... is command line heavay, indeed. [15:54] but flexible [15:54] and I like that it was kind of like a bare-metal restore of zfs-send backed up data [15:55] but also not applicable when you want to create bootable usb via windows [15:55] there's probably something like etcher for windows too [15:55] but it does not have any option for persistent storage [15:57] while i have tried configuring persistence storage of many images some of them are exceptions such as [15:59] any debian based image E.G. ubuntu, linux mint , kubuntu , kali , parrot os , etc. can be easily configured for a persitence storage even on sd card which is applicable only when you have a port in which you can insert a sd card directly wothout the need of an adapter [16:01] but there are some exceptions such as fedora or i believe any redhat based distri which creates a persistence storage as a separate partition instead of the using the home/root one [16:03] see ya laterrr fellas === bigpod28 is now known as bigpod2 [16:16] scoopex: thank you! nice insight about copy/paste [16:26] mei: your are welcome :-) [16:41] sup folks [16:42] simon_ghost_rile I've tried Rufus before https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/712667832210423849/886288404034224208/unknown.png [17:42] hi [17:42] hello? [17:44] Is anyone here ? [17:46] No. === sig_9 is now known as bebop [17:59] There's a user list right over there ---> [18:49] I always knew I'd end up on a list [18:54] most people start their lives on lists [18:54] future mandatory tax payer #87548734785787 [19:38] hi [20:18] hi guys [20:18] https://i.imgur.com/Rfd2AQ0.jpeg can some1 gimme a tip ? i installed ubuntu on my secondary laptop [20:18] 19" screen connected via VGA has max. resolution 1024x768 .. [20:19] on the other distro's it worked fine .. 1920x1080 === tom_mai78101 is now known as wedr [21:32] in a production environment, I want to set a TOKEN in memory - what is a good place to put/set that token? [21:42] Good afternoon. I'm attempting to use ssh-copy-id against a focal jail. However, ssh keeps prompting for the password even though i've already used ssh-copy-id beforehand. [21:50] on an already installed ubuntu server, how can i encrypt the FS? [21:52] pycurious1: the boot FS? [22:01] cbreak: After install - if i want to encrypt the file system selectively - for example /home/user- do you know how i can do that? [22:16] you could with zfs [22:16] but you probably don't use that [22:43] Hi, I'm wondering if it's safe to use /run/my_directory in a program I am writting? [22:43] I tried reading online, but I can't find any guidance [22:44] I just need a little tempfs my program can drop cookies === nextstep is now known as forwardstep [22:53] hi. I despise snap distribution, I'm on ubuntu 18.04 and would like to have an android emulator. Does anyone know any suitable options? [22:54] turns out that most popular solutions (bluestacks, noxplayer) are available only for windows and mac, but not for linux [22:54] and looks like the only viable solution is android studio which is distributed only via phony snap packages (bleh) [22:58] FreeBDSM: Maybe anbox >> "Android in a box: found too android-libart . [23:03] webchat13: check out "man 3 mktemp" [23:08] Bashing-om: https://docs.anbox.io/userguide/install.html To install Anbox your system need to support snaps. [23:08] that crap is like corona [23:12] FreeBDSM: Same here I find no fault with the .deb packaging system for my use cases. No use yet for snaps. [23:15] Bashing-om: this is all just saddens me, especially that today I found out win11 will support installation of android apps natively (right from .apk files) and that there's WSLg. Windows again get so much ahead :( [23:19] FreeBDSM: From a quick look ' apt search android ' - appears Windows has notning on linux. Lots of support in ubuntu, but will take some know how that I do not have. [23:20] Bashing-om: same. I did read the whole output, even found some interesting packages only to find they are abandoned [23:22] (maybe not abandoned entirely, but last release on their github proj pages is 5-7-10 years ago) [23:24] FreeBDSM: Android support: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=android . Just be aware that PPAs are not supported in this channel. [23:28] it all needs improvements... that list is too damn long, it's chaotically organized, there are no 'stars' or 'likes' or 'downloaded x times' or whatever else indication of how popular they are and how users rate them... + they are all go in a flat list: both small dependency packages (like docs or localization or I dunno what else) and 'big' packages bringing the 'core' functionality or something [23:29] and it looks like moderation there is either absent completely or just sucks so hard that it's basically the same as if it was absent [23:30] FreeBDSM: Sorry I can not be of greater help for you - Android is not in my realm of experience :( [23:31] Bashing-om: yeah, thanks for that link already (I actually forgot to check PPAs), I didn't really expect a solution (but sometimes miracles happen, so it's always worth to at least send a request for smth that you need) [23:34] FreeBDSM: Linux is huge and diverse. many times it is not what you know --- but who you know, still. [23:36] it's just is broken because it is supposed to rely heavily on community, but due to no delegation of power - communities like ubuntu PPAs are just not capable to become something highly usable [23:36] they remain slightly usable [23:37] it is usable & useful only if you know exactly what you are looking for and thus PPA is just a common place / semi-central hosting for the packages [23:37] but you can't just come to it like to a hardware store to just look for anything interesting [23:38] because that place is more like a dump, where 99% is trash, but 0.1% may be pure gold, but good luck finding it [23:38] https://launchpad.net/~aelmahmoudy/+archive/ubuntu/ppa the hell is this? it needs to be removed. [23:39] stale ppas should be marked as stale [23:42] IMO, someone needs to just (at least temporarily) remove crap from PPAs, leaving some notice about what happened and whom to contact to restore specific PPAs if it's valuable for anyone (with explanation of why it is) [23:43] Linus is a dictator, after all. Mostly benevolent, but still a dictator. Dictatorship can be good sometimes; not everything should be lib/dem. [23:47] FreeBDSM: We have drifted way from support - you are welcome to join #ubuntu-discuss to continue this worthy conversation. [23:47] Bashing-om: true, but it's not like I'm interrupting others [23:48] does anyone here use meson [23:48] what's the right package to install virtualization? [23:48] not virtualbox-based one [23:48] but libvirt or something, I forgot already [23:49] getting error 'bindr' option must be a subdir of the prefix [23:49] *'bindir' [23:50] ah, virt-manager! [23:51] oh nvm i just changed the 'bindir' and that fixed it [23:54] FreeBDSM: Too is lxc: ' apt show lxc-utils '. [23:56] Bashing-om: that is already supported by virt-manager [23:57] FreeBDSM: \o/ [23:57] afaiu, virt-manager is the best solution for now (well, with virtualbox being a quite on-par rival) [23:58] and, honestly, I had never used lxc [23:59] it's either VMs for me, or docker containers