[02:10] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> morning mei 
[06:39] <mei> hey! thank you
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> you can start a discuss topic here if you like
[06:40] <mei> sure, i had just to drop a simple line: i find ubuntu quiet relaxing as aesthetic :)
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> wich version are you on?
[06:42] <mei> i'm on the latest one with gnome, already waiting for the version 40 which should improve multi-tasking
[06:42] <mei> probably i will jump into the beta when it's released on the 30th of this month
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> devel version wull update itself to final
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> *will
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> im on 20.04 and always help debug LTS releases
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> so im gonna help debug 22.04 early
[06:46] <mei> uhm i find lts a bit too much for desktop use
[06:48] <mei> but i see the things improved with many apps being updated on their own
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> the users choice indeed mei 
[06:49] <ducasse> good morning
[06:59] <guiverc> G'day ducasse 
[07:01] <ducasse> howdy guiverc - you doing well?
[07:02] <guiverc> yep...  (just got a Welcome to GNOME 40 ; want to take a tour on another box; I hadn't noticed that in Ubuntu)
[07:02] <ducasse> i've not ran a standard desktop environment in years, should give a couple a spin
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> hey guiverc ; )
[07:03] <guiverc> how about you ducasse?  (sorry I didn't realize this was #ubuntu-discuss; didn't look)
[07:03] <ducasse> one day i'll convert lotus to i3
[07:03] <ducasse> all well here :)
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: prepare for lotus hardcore bug creating on early 22.04 :p
[07:16] <guiverc> 22.04 too far away for me to consider... impish, 20.04.4...  nah don't want to think further ahead
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: october not so far away right
[07:26] <guiverc> yeah impish is frozen to a large extent (UI frozen; not kernel freeze as I recall)  but minor shim changes can mean loads of QA tesing is involved (ensure no adverse impacts for boxes that shouldn't be impacted etc)
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> aha
[07:29] <guiverc> one issue that appeared (bug raised) in impish cycle; ended up impacting focal, hirsute as upgraded (security) package backported... I'm too scared currently to look further than impish  (in case work escalates..)
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> oof
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> i think we get into a bottleneck guiverc 
[07:36] <guiverc> most of the time we're not aware of all the issues (I sure aren't!); something to be thankful for :)
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> its been raining 5.11 bugs and nvidia 470, now switching to wayland joins the game
[07:44] <guiverc> your wording put a 'somewhat horrific' jingle in my mind... I heard "it's raining bugs... hallelujah it's raining bugs.."  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5aZJBLAu1E&t=57s -- why I thought of that jingle I don't wanna know.. but :(
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> ramblebamble: xorg will be still a users choice for a while
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> so not really abandonware
[16:17] <ogra> as long as Xorg apps exist XWayland will exists ... which uses ... guess ... Xorg 🙂
[16:17] <ramblebamble> I understand that, the fact that you have to force firefox and thunderbird to use wayland using ENV is proof of that, but reading a statement from Red Hat's that they are winding down development if they haven't done that already is not inspiring me to suggest X to anyone
[16:17] <ogra> it just embeds the Xorg window into a wayland window 
[16:19] <ogra> Xorg as standalone session will likely go away eventually ... in years ... but Xorg istelf will persist as long as apps using it will exist 
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> and so we can offer users both as a choice as volunteers :p
[16:20] <ogra> 😄
[16:22] <ramblebamble> ogra when I read I looked into the X-logs I understand that the X-server is actively running the session, and reading this https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XServer-Abandonware and this  https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2020/10/30/x_server_lead_maintainer_declares/ etc.... would warrent switching I guess. Anyways, message understood, no statements of that kind
[16:23] <ogra> well, it receives security fixes and all ... just not new features 
[16:24] <ogra> it is "mature" 😉
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> but still nice of you to try to help a user being futureproof ramblebamble