[00:05] <Jainly> Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'humanity to others'.
[00:05] <Jainly> true or false
[00:06] <oerheks> well, our topic is 'Ubuntu linux for human beings'
[00:06] <oerheks> close, i say
[00:07] <Jainly> whats that mean more specifically
[00:08] <oerheks> ubuntu technical support, there is also #ubuntu-discuss and -offtopic
[00:09] <Jainly> ok but does this channel is empty
[00:09] <oerheks> Do you have a technical support question?
[00:09] <sarnold> there's >950 clients connected. it's not empty :)
[00:10] <Jainly> yes i have!
[00:10] <Jainly> but i have  discuss questions about ubuntu too
[00:11] <Jainly> ubuntu 20.04 cant update the kernel
[00:11] <Bashing-om> Jainly: ^ join in both channels :D
[00:12] <Jainly> also crash a few times after  restarts
[00:12] <Bashing-om> !linux-image-generic focal | Jainly
[00:12] <Jainly> Bashing-om: i will do that xd
[00:13] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic focal | Jainly
[00:13] <oerheks> !hwe
[00:15] <Jainly> i get a new image and using as a Live System with persistent storage now
[00:16] <Jainly> on second machine
[00:17] <RevoSucks> if only people in #windows would actually respond now. getting internet on WSL2 is super important to my work
[00:18] <Jainly> what are you saying
[00:18] <Jainly> to go in windows channel
[00:18] <sarnold> Jainly: no, RevoSucks is using ubuntu on windows through the windows subsystem for linux
[00:19] <sarnold> Jainly: and lamenting the fact that it's hard to get support in either ubuntu places or windows places because it's just kinda a niche for both communities
[00:19] <Jainly> oh
[00:20] <Jainly> well there was issues with WSL 1 version there issues with second too
[00:21] <RevoSucks> well we have a bunch of windows users working on a project which requires emulating an IRIX compiler and the easiest way to do that was modify qemu to run it via qemu-irix, however thats Linux only
[00:21] <RevoSucks> and WSL was the perfect answer to our use case
[00:21] <RevoSucks> so, yes, we really do require it
[00:21] <sarnold> neat project
[00:22] <sarnold> though if the wsl thing throws up too many problems, you could always spin up ubuntu vms in your favourite cloud provider for a few bucks
[00:23] <Jainly> yea
[00:24] <Jainly> but integration is useful and important to developers that switching environments
[00:25] <sarnold> yeah
[00:25] <sarnold> and if you can avoid rsyncing files around all the time, or something similar, you might be more productive
[00:26] <Jainly> thats right
[00:28] <Jainly> sarnold: (offtopic) Are Y arnold from westworld? :D
[00:28] <sarnold> Jainly: no, sorry, I've never seen westworld
[02:09] <Diagon> Anyone might give pointers regarding mouse problems?  Trouble with drag/drop?  Middle click not working or giving multiple clicks?
[02:11] <Diagon> *I mean drag to select
[02:11] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: mostly we see touchpad problems/mouse on specific kernels fail
[02:12] <lotuspsychje> right now a lot of touchpad issues on kernel 5.11
[02:12] <Diagon> Not touchpad.  Both a trackball and a regular laser mouse.  Both on 16.04 and 20.04
[02:12] <Diagon> Started on 16.04, at least a year ago.
[02:12] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: did you try gnome-tweaks to tweak more
[02:12] <Diagon> No - what should I try?
[02:13] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: well extra options are available on gnome-tweaks and dconf-editor, maybe you find what you need there?
[02:14] <Diagon> Ah, ok.  I have both and will look around, but ...
[02:14] <Diagon> I have a suspicion that at least part of the problem is debouncing issues.
[02:14] <Diagon> I mean, if I'm getting two or three clicks every time I hit the middle button ...
[02:14] <Diagon> Any thoughts on that?
[02:14] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[02:17] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: try gnome-tweaks mouse emulation first, if you cant get it straight there, investigate your dmesg for bugs perhaps
[02:18] <Diagon> Mouse emulation is under Touchpad, no?
[02:18] <Diagon> Acceleration profile, maybe?
[02:19] <lotuspsychje> oh right, it is
[02:19] <lotuspsychje> under mouset there's only paste with middle button option
[02:21] <Diagon> Hm.  Turning that off appears to be helping with the middle click issue ...
[02:21] <Diagon> Not sure if it'll have an effect on left-click, drag to select ...
[02:22] <Diagon> Ya, the drag to select is still problematic.
[02:23] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: there are also /org/gnome/desktop/peripherals/trackball tweaks on dconf
[02:23] <Diagon> Oh, very cool.  Let me have a look.
[02:25] <Diagon> Not much at that location.  Nothing that seems significant.
[02:26] <lotuspsychje> ok try searching mouse values
[02:29] <Diagon> Ooph, lost of stuff here.  gnome>>desktop>>a11y>>mouse has all kinds of dwell threshold, dwell time, etc.
[02:30] <Diagon> gestures ... what is a11y, you know?
[02:30] <lotuspsychje> experiment a bit and leave a journalctl -f open to see whats happening
[02:30] <Diagon> Oh, I.C.  will try .
[02:31] <lotuspsychje> accesibility i think
[02:31] <Diagon> Ok.
[02:32] <Diagon> I notice a lot of trouble with selection like: I try to press down and drag but instead it selects a word or a line.  Or it acts as if I've let go of the left button when I haven't.
[02:32] <Diagon> Any thoughts on that?
[02:34] <lotuspsychje> not sure Diagon i would need to deeper investigate on dmesg too
[02:36] <Diagon> Alright, lotuspsychje - I've got a couple of things to explore.  I appreciate your effort.
[02:37] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: it worked fine on earlier ubuntu versions you said?
[02:38] <Diagon> Ya, it was working fine on 16.04, but then it stopped working.  I moved to 20.04 on a new machine and was having the same problem.  I tried another trackball (same mode) and it was the same.  I tried this laser mouse, and the problems are similar.
[02:40] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: maybe its worth testing another DM, perhaps try one of our !flavours to prove its not gnome related issue
[02:40] <lotuspsychje> !flavours
[02:40] <lotuspsychje> a quick usb live flavour for example
[02:41] <Diagon> Ya, I could do that.  I actually have Mate on another machine.  I could fire it up.
[02:41] <Diagon> (good idea.)
[02:46] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: did you LTS upgrade to all the releases since 16.04 or did you test a fresh 20.04 for your mouse?
[02:53] <Diagon> Ok, so Mate is having the same problem.
[02:53] <Diagon> I did a new install for 20.04.
[02:53] <Diagon> I still have my 16.04 machine.
[02:53] <Diagon> lotuspsychje ^^^
[02:54] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx
[02:54] <lotuspsychje> that sounds like it could be a bug then
[02:54] <Diagon> Hard to know what to report ...
[02:55] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: well put your dmesg in a paste and share with the volunteers here with all your details so they can deeper investigate would could be the issue
[02:56] <lotuspsychje> im going afk for a while, good luck Diagon
[02:56] <Diagon> Thanks for all the input.
[02:56] <Diagon> I'm going to take a break, too...
[03:18] <gec> haha
[03:36] <gec> 当思念
[06:52] <Berlyn> How straight forward is it to dual boot Windows 10 and Ubuntu with each operating system being on a separate SSD?
[06:58] <william> how to fix usb modem problem ?
[06:59] <EriC^^> Berlyn: pretty straightforward, unless you're using uefi, there might be a bit of tinkering to do post install
[06:59] <Berlyn> EriC^^: Yeah using UEFI
[06:59] <EriC^^> Berlyn: which pc/laptop make?
[06:59] <william> pc
[06:59] <william> in live run
[07:01] <Berlyn> EriC^^: It's all a custom build. Ryzen 5 3600 X with an RX 6600 XT. I have a 250GB SATA SSD and a 1TB NVMe SSD. Was hoping to install Windows on the larger one for gaming purposes, Ubuntu on the smaller one.
[07:02] <alkisg> Berlyn: If you don't want to bother with software at all, you can just remove the other sata cable while installing the other OS. Then you'll have 2 efi partitions etc etc, and you'll be able to select which one to boot via f12 (uefi boot manager)
[07:02] <Znevna> hello, dumb question, from where does dnsstublistener resolve the localhost ?
[07:02] <EriC^^> Berlyn: which motherboard make?
[07:02] <Berlyn> alkisg: That sounds like exactly what I want actually. I assume that will mean as well that if Windows decides to mess about with an upgrade, it won't touch the GRUB bootloader on the other drive.
[07:03] <alkisg> Znevna: I think it's hardcoded in the code of systemd, in resolvctl
[07:03] <Berlyn> EriC^^: I think a Gigabyte X570 or something
[07:03] <alkisg> Berlyn: eh sure, one can only hope :) In theory, under UEFI, windows can't even mess with the /EFI/ubuntu directory at all, even if it's in the same UEFI partition
[07:04] <Znevna> alkisg: sad then, if i use another resolver everytime I login ubuntu cries about 'ubuntu' (the hostname) not known or something
[07:04] <alkisg> Znevna: the ubuntu installer puts the hostname in /etc/hosts
[07:04] <Znevna> checked
[07:04] <alkisg> E.g.: 127.0.1.1	alkis
[07:05] <Znevna> it does not
[07:05] <Znevna> well, this one didnt
[07:05] <alkisg> You may put it manually if for some reason you don't have it
[07:06] <Znevna> yes I can do that, I was just curious how it does it without using /etc/hosts
[07:17] <william> when I run ubuntu live _  The internet icon is question mark and net is very slow _ what is the problem ?
[07:17] <william> I have usb modem (zte mf79u) _ ubuntu 20.04.3 _  usb modem connected to pc via usb cable 2.0
[07:21] <william> please guide me
[07:22] <busterkvm> to where?
[07:22] <Znevna> airport
[07:23] <busterkvm> restrooms are over there
[07:26] <william> when I run ubuntu live , the internet icon is question mark and net is very slow , what is the problem ?
[07:26] <william>  I have usb modem (zte mf79u) , ubuntu 20.04.3 ,  usb modem connected to pc via usb cable 2.0
[07:29] <william> all afk ?
[07:37] <uhrensohn> I'm doing autoinstall of 20.04, my user-data contains late-commands: - curtin in-target --target /target sed -i s/#AllowAgentForwarding/AllowAgentForwarding/ /etc/ssh/sshd_config; this fails, but the line works when I do it after installation, why?
[07:40] <alkisg> # in shell means comment; put quotes in the sed expression?
[07:49] <tsujp> is using `sudo -C` a security risk? It's disabled by default which is why I ask
[07:56] <uhrensohn> alkisg, I added ' around the 's///' but still fails with exit code 2, this again works in the shell after installation :-(
[07:59] <EriC^^> uhrensohn: try using @ instead of / , sed 's@stuff@here@'
[08:04] <_________> uhrensohn: make sure /etc/ssh/sshd_config exists, exit code 2 means bad input: EXIT_BAD_INPUT = 2, /* failed to open some of the input files */
[08:04] <_________> uhrensohn: or maybe you need sudo sed
[08:21] <uhrensohn> solved, I needed -- in curtin in-target --target /target -- sed -i 's/#AllowAgentForwarding/AllowAgentForwarding/' /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[08:41] <fdan> How many NTP servers would you configure in your local ntp.conf?
[08:44] <uhrensohn> in installed 20.04: sudo echo "AllowStreamLocalForwarding no" >> /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[08:44] <uhrensohn> bash: /etc/ssh/sshd_config: Permission denied, why? I can edit the file with sudo fine but not echo?
[08:56] <alkisg> The >> part runs as the user
[08:56] <alkisg> Do echo xxx | sudo tee -a sshdconfig instead
[09:04] <uhrensohn> alkisg, thanks
[10:01] <Berlyn> Trying to do a fresh 20.04.3 install with my new RX 6700 XT. Just sits on manufacturers logo with regular boot, but can boot into Graphics Safe Mode. Is this GPU not supported on the 5.11 kernel?
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: share your dmesg in a pastebin please, so the volunteers can take a look whats happening for you
[10:07] <Berlyn> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/tuM5qp5y
[10:08] <Berlyn> This is from me booting into Ubuntu 20.04.3 in Safe Graphics Mode.
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | Berlyn to get in
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: after you get in nomodeset, try to install your nvidia drivers check wich versions with; ubuntu-drivers list
[10:11] <Berlyn> lotuspsychje: I don't have a NVIDIA card, it's an AMD RX 6700 XT
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> oh right
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: in that case, things might get a bit more complex, as amdgpu should be loading out of the box normaly
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: we often see users benefit amd cards & ryzen cpu's benefit higher kernels
[10:14] <Berlyn> Does 21.04 have a newer kernel than 20.04.3? I assumed the HWE meant they were aligned
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: so you got a few options, you could test a higher !mainline kernel ontop 20.04 or indeed try higher ubuntu releases with newer kernels 21.04 and 21.10 (devel)
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic hirsute
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: i see your kernel is on .27 did you be able to update?
[10:17] <Berlyn> lotuspsychje, I haven't installed it yet, running from live cd
[10:18] <Berlyn> Well live usb
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> ah
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> then you better install 20.04 physical first and update system to latest to find out
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> maybe there are already aware of the bug and fixed it on .27
[10:19] <Berlyn> Hirsute is using a newer kernel?
[10:19] <Berlyn> I can try to boot into that, see if I have similar issues
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> no, its like you say similar kernel as your 20.04 HWE
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic impish
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> could try 21.10 kernel though Berlyn
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> but there you would get new surprises as its default to wayland now
[10:22] <Berlyn> I run 21.04 on my laptop, I just had a 20.04 USB laying around
[10:23] <v0lZy> hi
[10:24] <v0lZy> I have an issue on 18.04 ... not sure if this is a safety ... but I created a folder /data at the very top of the filesystem tree ... and I cant mount my vgData-lvData1 into it
[10:24] <v0lZy> I get no error, and if I add UUID into /etc/fstab and do a mount-a it says successfuly mounted, but I dont see my filesystem when i do ls -al /data
[10:25] <v0lZy> # mount -v /dev/mapper/vgData-lvData1 /data
[10:25] <v0lZy> mount: /dev/mapper/vgData-lvData1 mounted on /data.
[10:25] <v0lZy> root@azbsllecst01:/# ls -al /data
[10:26] <v0lZy> total 8
[10:26] <v0lZy> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Aug 24 08:55 .
[10:26] <v0lZy> drwxr-xr-x 26 root root 4096 Sep 15 10:19 ..
[10:26] <v0lZy> I should see the lost+found directory
[10:26] <v0lZy> I dont.
[10:26] <v0lZy> but I do see it just fine if I mount to /data1 for example
[10:27] <v0lZy> is '/data' a resricted keyword for mounting?
[10:32] <Berlyn> lotuspsychje: 21.04 boots, but getting some weird green and purple artifacting
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: can you share a dmesg from there please?
[10:38] <Berlyn> lotuspsychje, https://pastebin.com/zVk6M1S4
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: that looks more sane already then previous
[10:41] <Berlyn> Yeah, it's running nicely apart from the random artifacting
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: how about you install physical and update to latest
[10:42] <Berlyn> I guess I could install and update, see how that goes
[10:42] <Berlyn> Give me 115
[10:42] <Berlyn> *15
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> sure thing
[10:53] <alekksander> hello. my temperatures sensors stopped working. i don't recall if i did anything to break it as it was long time ago. is there anything specific in installed packets to check?
[10:53] <alekksander> or any particular systemd service that might be off?
[10:57] <alekksander> (need to restart)
[11:29] <Lumpio-> How do I fix snap Chromium? Not a specific issue, but the fact that it just keeps breaking in new ways.
[11:30] <Lumpio-> Currently it randomly loses a bunch of fonts that definitely exist, and starts rendering squares
[11:30] <Lumpio-> Also daring to open a context menu freezes the process for a minute
[11:30] <Lumpio-> This is literally not an issue in anything except snap Chromium.
[11:30] <pasiz> Lumpio-: contact snap packager that are responsible for chromium
[11:31] <Lumpio-> Using snap for something essential and not just a program you run for fun now and then has to be the worst idea in the history of ideas.
[11:31] <Lumpio-> Who is responsible for making the fake chromium package that installs snap for you behind your back instead of the real contents?
[11:33] <Lumpio-> I mean the first time that happened it broke file uploads, as well as icons and mouse cursors. How does something this terrible get through QA?
[11:36] <tsujp> Use firefox!
[11:37] <Lumpio-> I will switch to Firefox exclusively if you switch to Windows exclusively.
[11:39] <tsujp> s/Windows/Linux/g deal
[11:43] <tsujp> as for snaps
[11:43] <tsujp> idk, dont use them
[11:43] <tsujp> snap sucks
[11:43] <tsujp> flatpak chormium? appimage chromium?
[11:44] <tsujp> if you're being forced snap with default packages.. that's.. to be expected? ubuntu is a commercial distribution because it's run by a commercial company
[11:44] <tsujp> that's not a bad thing like ubuntu is the entrypoint to linux for a TONNE of people
[11:44] <tsujp> but canonical can do w/e they want
[11:44] <tsujp> its their distro
[11:45] <tsujp> canonical says you get snaps by default, so be it
[11:56] <vlm> what uses are the inputrc file for example keybinds, for those i could use the bashrc file, how do they differ? Couldnt find any help page for inputrc file
[11:56] <geirha> inputrc will apply to any program that uses readline, not just bash
[11:57] <vlm> geirha, thanks
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> tsujp: please dont advice users to not use snaps, its provided now even if you dont agree personaly we need to leave the choice to the end users
[12:11] <Lumpio-> lotuspsychje: I would've appreciated that advice before losing hair over snap Chromium
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> Lumpio-: the chromium snap official publisher is canonical and they use launchpad for bugs
[12:25] <ren0v0> @TJ-, @lotuspsychje I never did resolve that USB issue. Kernel update didn't fix anything and removing 50-android.rules for udev eitehr
[12:25] <ren0v0> anything else i can check? it's super frustrating
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> refresh our minds ren0v0 what was that about
[12:26] <ren0v0> @lotuspsychje, basically when I connect my DAC (via Roon), it stops my keyboard and mouse from working
[12:26] <ren0v0> it has also happened maybe once with another devices, but i often start roon instantly after boot, so likely it could be any USB device
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> ren0v0: did you consider filing a new !bug for it yet, so you can follow-up more easy and the devs know about?
[12:30] <ren0v0> @lotuspsychje, i'm not sure its a bug though, i've used this combination of hardware for a few years
[12:30] <ren0v0> and then i was messing with udev
[12:30] <ren0v0> let me paste some logs see if you can see anything
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> ren0v0: so it worked like a charm before?
[12:31] <ren0v0> o yes very much so
[12:32] <ren0v0> @lotuspsychje, here you go https://pastebin.com/17LVRJrC
[12:33] <ren0v0> this is syslog, maybe there is a better log file i dont know
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> ren0v0: well im not a udev expert myself, but if you once got it working, what did you do exactly to scramble up things and cant you revert it with a clean setup/test new user?
[12:35] <ren0v0> This was completely unrelated, I only messed with udev (and assuming its related), because i was playing with flashing an android phone
[12:46] <ajay_> #join #kernelnewbies
[12:46] <Berlyn> Anyone experienced the dock under Wayland really slow to update when you open/close windows?
[12:48] <Berlyn> lotuspsychje: Also, artifacting seems to be gone after install and updating
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> great Berlyn
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: yeah i tested wayland on 21.04 once, stuttering a bit on an older machine
[12:50] <ioria> Berlyn, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1874578
[12:51] <Berlyn> ioria: Interesting, so it's a known issue
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: you get it only on dock, or also stuttering gnome on login?
[12:52] <ioria> Berlyn, yeah, the fix seems to be : gsettings set org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock show-mounts false
[12:52] <Berlyn> ioria: Have tried that, didn't fix the problem
[12:52] <Berlyn> Running X11, everything is fine
[12:52] <ioria> Berlyn, do it two times , and  logout/login
[12:53] <Berlyn> ioria: Well there you go, now we're cooking with fire
[12:53] <Berlyn> Thanks mate
[12:53] <ioria> Berlyn, ok
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> dont forget to help the community and affect to that bug Berlyn
[13:23] <xrandr> Hello. I am trying to use gnome-software to install a package, and it just sits there on "Pending Installation". Any idea on how to resolve this?
[13:30] <P4z> Hello. Could somebody help me understanding linux permissions in Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS, please? I thought it's simple but it does not work as I expected.
[13:30] <P4z> I have files with permissions like `drwxrwxr-x 2 user1 user1group 4096 Sep 14 05:32 /projects/HDD3T-1/project/Engine/Build/BatchFiles/Linux/../../../Binaries/ThirdParty/Mono/Linux/bin/` or `-rw-rw-r-- 1 user1 user1group 94 Sep 14 05:32 /projects/HDD3T-1/project/Engine/Build/BatchFiles/Linux/../../../Binaries/ThirdParty/Mono/Linux/bin/xsd`. I also have user `uid=1002(user2) gid=1001(user1group)
[13:30] <P4z> groups=1001(user1group),1002(user2group)`. But when I issue `chmod a+x /projects/HDD3T-1/project/Engine/Build/BatchFiles/Linux/../../../Binaries/ThirdParty/Mono/Linux/bin/*` as user2 then I receive `chmod: changing permissions of ... : Operation not permitted`. What is wrong so user2 cannot change user1 files?
[13:31] <xrandr> P4z: You need to change the group permissions:  chmod g+rwx <filename or directory>
[13:31] <P4z> xrandr: hi, have you tried apt or aptitude in terminal to install that package? I believe apt will tell you more details about the status.
[13:31] <xrandr> And make sure user1 and user2 are in the same group.
[13:32] <P4z> yes, they both are in user1group, xrandr. also the permissions for a group are present
[13:32] <xrandr> P4z: I can do the installs via command line, but I am uncertain as to why the software center stopped working
[13:32] <P4z> no idea about that. there should be logs somewhere however
[13:34] <P4z> xrandr: try first force kill gnome-software then remove ~/.cache/gnome-software and and any folder related to gnome-software in ~/.config ~/.local/share.
[13:37] <P4z> do I need a +x permission on file to change its permission? i've already have a +w flag on the files and containing directory but still receive Operation not permitted. :(
[13:55] <jsmooth> I just installed the latest JDK from official download source. However, when I check the Java version it still has the older one
[13:55] <jsmooth> It's using Java 11 when Java 17 is installed
[13:55] <leftyfb> jsmooth: https://computingforgeeks.com/how-to-set-default-java-version-on-ubuntu-debian/
[13:55] <jsmooth> I installed the bin deb
[13:58] <jsmooth> That tells me to use update-alternatives, which does not see Java 17
[13:59] <leftyfb> jsmooth: then something is wrong with that .deb you installed. You'll need to reach out to Oracle for support with their package.
[13:59] <xrandr> P4z: +x = executable. +r = read +w = write
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> xrandr: gnome-software does that sometimes on external software, wich program are you trying to install?
[14:00] <xrandr> P4z: and I've tried those suggestions (googled it), and it doesn't work. I'll just install Synaptic and use that.
[14:00] <xrandr> lotuspsychje: Aisleriot Solitaire as a test
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> xrandr: hmm weird, thats just from the repos
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> xrandr: try launching gnome software from terminal perhaps catch errors there
[14:01] <jsmooth> /usr/share/java seems to have all java execs with no version separation
[14:01] <xrandr> It seems like anything it is trying to install from 'flatpak' doesn't want to work. Even when I switch to Zorin 16 (I am running Zorin OS 16 Pro which is based off of Ubuntu), it still doesn't work.
[14:01] <xrandr> ok
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> we can only advice on vanilla ubuntu and their flavours xrandr
[14:02] <leftyfb> !zorin | xrandr
[14:02] <xrandr> lotuspsychje: there's no zorin os support channel on here.  :)
[14:02] <leftyfb> !zorinOS | xrandr
[14:03] <leftyfb> xrandr: https://forum.zorin.com/
[14:03] <xrandr> okay
[14:04] <xrandr> leftyfb: either way though, the gnome-software is the same, so any suggestions that would work on Ubuntu *should* work on Zorin
[14:04] <leftyfb> xrandr: I suggest installing ubuntu
[14:17] <P4z> `+x = executable. +r = read +w = write` yeah, i knew that. and everything seems to be correct but still I receive Operation not permitted. I believe there must be something else preventing user2 to change permissions on those files. but what could that be? that is a fresh installation of Ubuntu LTS with 2 users and some files checked out of SVN repository.
[14:44] <xrandr> P4z: are user1 and user2 in the same group, and the file owned by that group?
[14:45] <mei> how can i free /boot a bit? i made it 500 MB but apparently nowday is not that much
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> mei: bleachbit and stacer are nice cleaners GUI if you like
[14:45] <Mathisen> mei, how many dists you dualboot with ?
[14:45] <EriC^^> mei: sudo apt-get autoremove --purge
[14:45] <Mathisen> EriC^^, ++
[14:45] <mei> only ubuntu...
[14:46] <mei> there is nothing to remove
[14:46] <P4z> mei: check what images do you have installed with `dpkg -l | grep linux-image`, which one is in use `uname -a` and remove nonused images e.g.: `sudo apt purge linux-image-5.4.0-84-generic`
[14:46] <EriC^^> mei: have you not restarted in a very long time?
[14:47] <P4z> also you can `du -sh /boot/*` to check which files are occupying space the most, mei
[14:47] <mei> https://pastebin.com/raw/JYKeWwXx
[14:48] <mei> i will remove linux-image-5.11.0-34-generic
[14:48] <mei> uhm yeah it's like 100 MB each kernel
[14:49] <ioria> not a good idea
[14:49] <P4z> mei, if you run linux-image-5.11.0-34-generic (check with `uname -r`) then you can remove linux-image-5.11.0-16-generic. you should reboot your PC before that so there are no pending changes to apply
[14:49] <mei> i'm running 5.11.0-34-generic
[14:49] <ioria> precisely
[14:49] <Mathisen> mei, run this >> tree /boot | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
[14:49] <Mathisen> mei, and give uss the url it says
[14:50] <mei> yeah sorry, i'm removing linux-image-5.11.0-16-generic
[14:58] <Donald__> Hello guys, what is the meaning of the 4 outputs and 2 associated providers in below log
[14:58] <Donald__> xrandr --listproviders
[14:58] <Donald__> Providers: number : 2
[14:58] <Donald__> Provider 0: id: 0x2d9 cap: 0x1, Source Output crtcs: 4 outputs: 2 associated providers: 1 name:NVIDIA-0
[15:14] <TJ-> Donald__: 4 CRTCs, 2 Outputs, 1 Provider
[15:20] <Donald__> @TJ-, I don't understand. is this mean this graphic card can drive 2 displays?
[15:20] <Donald__> the whole output is
[15:20] <Donald__> xrandr --listproviders
[15:20] <Donald__> Providers: number : 2
[15:20] <Donald__> Provider 0: id: 0x2d9 cap: 0x1, Source Output crtcs: 4 outputs: 2 associated providers: 1 name:NVIDIA-0
[15:20] <Donald__> Provider 1: id: 0x308 cap: 0x6, Sink Output, Source Offload crtcs: 3 outputs: 6 associated providers: 1 name:modesetting
[15:24] <TJ-> Donald__: the nvidia GPU seems to be claiming it has 2 outputs
[15:29] <jsmooth> I installed JDK using .bin.deb, but not being able to find installation directory
[15:32] <WWK> 啊这
[15:40] <ioria> jsmooth, try : dpkg --listfiles jdk-xx.x.x | grep -E '.*/bin$'
[15:56] <magga> Hey guys im getting a new laptop today and im gonna install Ubuntu on it. Thinkpad E15 G3 AMD. Anyone got any suggestions for which ISO I should go for
[15:56] <leftyfb> magga: I always recommend the latest LTS. Which is currently 20.04
[15:57] <magga> leftyfb: thnx
[16:04] <magga> btw anyone know if theres a way to use AirPods on a linux machine? :)
[16:06] <leftyfb> magga: 2nd main result on google when searching for "ubuntu airpods" https://reckoning.dev/blog/airpods-pro-ubuntu/
[16:06] <mei> any idea how to fix font in snap store? everywhere else is fine...
[16:07] <mei> https://imgur.com/a/TjjA3gt
[16:07] <magga> leftyfb: well, does it work ? :P
[16:07] <leftyfb> magga: I don't have airpods. Try it
[16:10] <ogra> mei, report it in foum.snapcraft.io ... also attach the full "snap version" output
[16:11] <ogra> *forum.snapcraft.io
[16:11] <mei> well it is snap store... but in ubuntu is "ubuntu software"
[16:12] <ogra> the package is maintained as a snap
[16:13] <ogra> and the maintainers read that forum
[16:14] <mei> okay thank you... it is already reported
[16:16] <ogra> your 'snap version' output would still be helpful to see how widely it spreads across different releases/distros
[16:19] <P4z> guys, is there any way I can debug why an user gets Operation not permitted error when trying to chmod some files? permissions and groups are set correctly according to me. any logs for these?
[16:35] <rfm> P4z, no lons but "man 2 chmod" says EPERM is given when effective uid does not match file owner (permissions, grouo don't matter)  or the "immutiable" or "append-only" attributes or set (rare, but displayable with lsattr)
[16:39] <TJ-> P4z: does the user, their group, or other, have Write mode on the directory where the files live?
[16:39] <P4z> thanks for helping, rfm. lsattr on those files shows only `--------------e-----` but some files returns `lsattr: Operation not supported While reading flags on /projects/HDD3T-1/project/Engine/Binaries/ThirdParty/Mono/Linux/bin/mono-sgen`. and I want other user to be able to work with those files.
[16:39] <TJ-> P4z: if you're changing the mode, then you're operating on the directory entry, not the file (the directory 'stores' the metadata for each directory entry)
[16:40] <P4z> TJ-: yes, the containing directory now has `drwxrwxrwx` as well as the files. but still I've got Operation not permitted :( this is strange
[16:41] <P4z> oh wait. now i've got it clear with o+rwx
[16:45] <rfm> TJ-, file permissions are in the file's inode, not the directory (with hard links files may not be in a unique directory)
[16:47] <P4z> so I have user1 with `uid=1001(user1) gid=1001(group1) groups=1001(group1),1002(group2)` and user2 with `uid=1002(user2) gid=1001(group1) groups=1001(group1),1002(group2)`. the files had `-rwxrwxr-x 1 user1 group1    94 Sep 15 13:49 mcs*` but user2 could not chmod on these. shouldn't that be enough? when i `chmod a+rw` on those files the problem disappeared but I don't want other to write to those files. what
[16:47] <P4z> did I do wrong?
[16:55] <rfm> P4z, permissions don't matter.  in order to chmod a file a user must be the files owner (or be privileged, i.e. be root).  I don't know why setting a+rw seemed to make a difference, I suspect something else changed)
[16:58] <cluelessperson> I'm trying to identify a USB wifi card that can provide 1 gigabit connection in ubuntu, preferably plug and play.
[16:59] <cluelessperson> Does anyone have any suggestion what I should be looking at?
[17:00] <rfm> P4z, if you're trying to set up a directory tree where multiple users (all in a group) can manip the files, you want to (as root) chgrp everything to the shared group, set ug+rw on all the files, ug+rwx on all the directories, and set the setgid bit on all the directories with chmod g+S
[17:03] <cluelessperson> P4z,   find "${find_path}" -mount -type "${file_or_dir  (f or d)}" -print0 | xargs -0 chmod "${verbose_about_changes   --changes}" "${permissions}"
[17:03] <rfm> P4z, argh, i mean g+s not g+S
[17:07] <P4z> thanks for you help, guys. <3 will try that the next day.
[17:08] <cluelessperson> yee
[19:01] <webchat29> i'm on 20.04 how the hell do i install this package https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/focal-updates/llvm-toolchain-11
[19:01] <webchat29> apt-cache search can't locate
[19:01] <webchat29> added backports and still can't locate
[19:05] <sarnold> webchat65: where did you get 'backports' from? that's not even on that page.. it says those packages are in focal-updates, and eg apt-cache policy clang-11 shows it in focal-updates on my system..
[19:07] <webchat29> sarnold root@a0bdf303a100:/# apt-cache policy llvm-toolchain-11
[19:07] <webchat29> N: Unable to locate package llvm-toolchain-11
[19:08] <sarnold> webchat29: sure, you can't install a source package, you can only install binary packages
[19:08] <webchat29> ohhhhh
[19:08] <webchat29> is there anyway to install all of those in one fell swoop?
[19:09] <sarnold> excellent question, I don't know
[19:10] <webchat29> can i get a list from the command line of packages build by that source back (and then xargs...)
[19:11] <webchat29> apt-get source llvm-toolchain-11
[19:11] <webchat29> Reading package lists... Done
[19:11] <webchat29> E: Unable to find a source package for llvm-toolchain-11
[19:11] <webchat29> lol
[19:12] <webchat29> i uncommented deb-src too
[19:14] <genii> did you run update after
[19:17] <webchat29> ofc
[19:17] <webchat29> like 4 times
[19:17] <webchat29> what copy paste it is
[19:17] <webchat29> *whatever
[19:24] <leftyfb> webchat65: can I ask, why do you need that particular package?
[19:24] <leftyfb> oh, nm, wrong person
[19:26] <morgans> 20.04 my problem is that once, twice three times a lady, Lady Ubuntu asks me if I want to install updated software, the window sits behind and browser software slows... Is there some way I can get the software to just automatically update (best) or hold all requests till night and then auto-yes?
[19:26] <morgans> and by the first lady I means per day.
[19:29] <sarnold> morgans: if you've got the unattended-upgrades package installed (the default) it'll install security updates overnight already
[19:30] <sarnold> morgans: so whatever's left is bug-fix udpates; you can configure unattended-upgrades to install those, too, if you like
[19:31] <morgans> reading and thinking about what you said. (I "thought" I had do it automatically chaecked) so, -- Since it is NOT already doing it overnight (that I know of) --- What do I do next?
[19:32] <sarnold> morgans: check the logs, /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log (and the other files in that directory) -- there might be a notice of what's going wrong
[19:33] <morgans> sarnold when I searche what are ubuntu bug-fix upgrades I didnt find any useful results to help me understand what that is.
[19:34] <Croran> morgans: yeah i get some stupid update notices too. I wish I could disable all that  and just do updates manually.
[19:34] <sarnold> morgans: security updates go into the security pocket; bug fix updates go into the updates pocket
[19:35] <sarnold> morgans: I think this mail list mail be the easiest way to see which packages are going where https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/focal-changes/2021-September/date.html but there may be better tools for that
[19:37] <morgans> sarnold the log upgrades file lists the last entry as all upgrades installed at 7 am and the two I have seen today wee well after that.
[19:37] <morgans> OK gotcha re pockets
[19:39] <morgans> This is not toooo far above me - and yet I still need to remove, clea and reposition my 2 memory modules in slots 1 and 2 into different slots and see if my troubles clear up.
[19:39] <morgans> Thanks and I will save all this in a TECH HELP file.
[19:39] <sarnold> morgans: interesting.. I wonder if moving the apt-* timers around will do the trick, check systemctl list-timers output and see if they ran after seven am
[19:41] <morgans> Oh, that is something to do. what is the systemcti list timer output? Let me google to see what I can learn before I get an answer here....
[19:42] <Croran> morgans: what's a tech help file?
[19:42] <morgans> But there's more. I am using the TEXT program that is like gedit and I want one that will make links into live links ---> like the macintosh has had since its year 1. (sorry for the lob) DO WE even HAVE such a program?
[19:43] <morgans> Croran, it is a text file on my computer in which I keep TECHnical help suggestions or info.
[19:43] <Croran> morgans: libre office
[19:43] <morgans> no libre is ENORmous and complicated. SMH
[19:44] <morgans> hint: mac has had it always.
[19:44] <Croran> morgans: i think you're writing a code with your capitalizations... lol
[19:44] <morgans> <*/ code is like this or so I thought>
[19:44] <sarnold> morgans: gnome-terminal and other terminals can auto-clickify links for you
[19:45] <sarnold> morgans: some terminals have it, some terminals have it as a plugin, some can't do it at all
[19:45] <morgans> OFFTOPIC I need a good book for Python for people who are already programmers)
[19:45] <Croran> ah true. you could use vim in a terminal and ctrl-click the links there.
[19:46] <morgans> ah I remember something like vi when I was in the way way back
[19:46] <Croran> morgans: have you tried 'automate the boring stuff'? it's free.
[19:46] <morgans> will look for that.
[19:47] <morgans> Will switch to offtopic for this discussion
[19:52] <oldgalileo> Do the %release%-updates repositories pull packages to force the latest version?
[19:52] <oldgalileo> Build script failed on 237-3systemd10.51, and updating it to 10.52 fixed it (which is the new latest release)
[19:52] <oldgalileo> 🙃
[20:07] <noarb> I just restarted my ubuntu 21.04 machine and my display is now messed up. I'm using nvidia drivers. Is the 390 driver messed up here? https://bpa.st/ACWA When I try to upgrade it says the nvidia packages are held back: https://bpa.st/RQBA
[20:09] <Croran> noarb: you're using the nvidia package from the 'additional drivers' GUI in ubuntu?
[20:11] <noarb> I believe I installed them with ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[20:11] <noarb> prior to the upgrade error
[20:13] <Croran> noarb: yeah 390 comes up with an error for me when i run `ubuntu-drivers devices`, even though i don't have that version installed
[20:14] <Croran> "WARNING:root:_pkg_get_support nvidia-driver-390: package has invalid Support Legacyheader, cannot determine support level
[20:15] <Croran> is the error message
[20:16] <noarb> That's the same error I'm getting now. the GUI gives me a list of options in addition to the nouveau driver and the 390
[20:16] <Croran> noarb: are you using 390?
[20:17] <noarb> No, it says I'm using 470
[20:17] <Croran> hmm have you marked any packages for hold?
[20:20] <noarb> No I haven't
[20:20] <noarb> the machine is a relatively fresh installation
[20:28] <noarb> I switched to the nouveau driver, and the reinstalled with ubuntu-drivers autoinstall. It seems to be working OK for now :/
[20:39] <Croran> noarb: nice
[22:16] <Stable> hello
[22:28] <webchat39> Is it possible to install Ubuntu 20.04 on an Intel Macbook?
[22:29] <webchat39> There is so much info out there. It seems like the answer is no on any Macbook newer then 2016 is that true?
[22:43] <SnaveZ> webchat39 - It depends. At some point the macbooks were made with a chip on the board that blocks other OS's from being installed on them.
[22:46] <webchat39> SnaveZ Thanks thats what I was thinking but then found posts that suggested otherwise.